Author Topic: Reactive Current - Parallel RCL (Read 125914 times)

stivep · « **Reply #720 on:** September 01, 2022, 12:16:08 AM »

Quote from: ne0 on August 31, 2022, 07:33:43 PM

200W in 3.5kw reactive
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sfOKPIi6CM

You nix85 didn't even want to read the comment below the video.

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Azamat Farrakhov 5 years ago
// (параллельный резонанс) с парой дросселей от ЛДС. Замерял их начальную и конечную температуры, продолжительность нагрева, учёл массу железа, меди и тепловые потери (для подсчёта потерь достаточно замерить время остывания, остальные данные те же). Ток в контуре в 2,5 раза больше входного. Полученная после расчётов мощность нагрева с точностью 5% сошлась с потреблением по бытовому индукционному счётчику (20 Вт). Дроссели конечно мелковаты, всего ватт на 30, запаса по мощности нет, как говорил Андреев.

Translation: "parallel resonance) with a pair of chokes from LDS.
I measured their initial and final temperatures, the duration of heating, took
into account the mass of iron, copper and heat loss (to calculate losses,
it is enough to measure the cooling time, the rest of the data are the same).
The current in the circuit is 2.5 times greater than the input.
The heating power obtained after the calculations with an accuracy of 5%
coincided with the consumption of a household induction meter !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(20 W).
The chokes are of course shallow, only 30 watts,
there is no power reserve, as Andreev said." = there is no extra power there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It is quite simple trick:
The household power meter should operate properly up to 400Hz but many Chinese power meters are not.
The "phenomenon" - (error in reading) is achieved in resonance outside of range of the meter.

The title of the video didn't claim any over- unity or energy from nothing.

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Экономный Резонансный Нагреватель

Economical Resonant Heater
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sfOKPIi6CM
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Ігор Козубаль 6 years ago
Вячеслав спасибо!! А при подключении нагрузки резонанс в контуре будет держаться???

Translation: Igor Kozubal 6 years ago Vyacheslav thank you!! And when the load is connected, the resonance in the circuit will hold???

Answer:

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Вячеслав
6 years ago
Но здесь нет съёмного контура, если в резонансный контур вмешиваться, то будет уходить резонанс...

Translation: Vyacheslav 6 years ago But there is no load circuit, if you interfere with the resonant circuit, the resonance will go away...

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Это же схема похожа на старую Андреева, только без обратной связи и съёмного...
На мой взгляд здесь экономия есть против индукционного нагрева или тэнового, а коэффициент теплоотдачи меньше.

Translation:
This schematic is similar to the old of Andreeva, only without feedback and removable ...
In my opinion, there is savings against induction heating or heat transfer, and the heat transfer coefficient is less.

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Вячеслав 6 years agoещё как возможно ))
если вместо дросселя трансформатор поставить с съёмной обмоткой и обратной связью то это как раз схема Андреева... Я просто показал устойчивость резонанса при изменении в сети напряжения, как это происходит в схемах Андреева

Translation:
Vyacheslav 6 years ago is still as possible )) if instead of a balast a transformer is placed - with a removable winding and feedback then this is just andreev's scheme...
I just showed the stability of the resonance when the voltage in the network changes, as it happens in Andreev's schemes.

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for these interested with schematic of Andreev:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pEpbVs8-No

if he doesn't stop bullying. I will vote for his total ban.

Wesley

ne0 · « **Reply #721 on:** September 01, 2022, 02:23:54 AM »

Quote from: stivep on September 01, 2022, 12:16:08 AM

You nix85 didn't even want to read the comment below the video.

Another false claim from you. I did read the description, that is where the
input output data comes from....

Did i ever claim that video shows overunity?

E-VER, ANY-WHERE? No, i did not. So what is all this bs you just posted.

Video is clearly linked as an example of POWER AMPLIFICATION in parallel RLC...

Something which you called impossible at the very beginning of this thread,
need i quote.... yet here we see two examples of 20 times more power oscillating
in the parallel RLC tank than is being input into it.

As for load affecting the resonance.......i spoke about that, as bolt said 11 years ago
and as Dan Combine wrote 16 years ago in RE-OU-v6_1.pdf (in attachment)......
everything affects resonance, that is where "tuning for load" phrase comes
from, but load CAN be connected and powered by almost purely reactive power as
many reported over the years.....as same guy from first video i linked demostrated,
also posted here number of times already....

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Guy i shared before who pumps 2.34kW in his big trans with 105W input.

Here he is looping it with UPS battery, battery starts at 13.69V.

Then he powers 280W of lights + charges the batter to 14.3V.

Reactive power is 1163W here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYWgcRB73bw

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if he doesn't stop bullying. I will vote for his total ban.

Wesley

Clearly troll is hurt badly by the truth and all he has left is personal attacks,
projections, calling me a "troll" when he is in fact a troll bullying and disinforming.
He knows well truth has been exposed here, the essence of it, he has only two
ways to destroy the truth, to defame me personally and/or the materials i post...
He of course cannot do this in the eyes of those who see, but he hopes he can
do it for the majority, if he only constructs his attacks sleazily enough to work
on their skepticism or should i say lack of sight, combined with massive amount
of bs content, he has high hopes that this wave of enlightenment will pass over
the heads of the most. But even if he (they) is successful in blinding the most, more and
more will see through the fog and when enough candles turn on, dark will seize.

stivep · « **Reply #722 on:** September 01, 2022, 02:40:06 AM »

The unfortunate is that posted by you nix85 video doesn't show any extra energy from RLC circuit.
Author of the video doesn't claim any extra energy.
Economical Resonant Heater
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sfOKPIi6CM
and:
LC circuit doesn't amplify as it is made from passive elements:

QUOTE:
You can apply whatever frequencies you want but, the further you are away from the natural resonant frequency,
the lower will be the resulting amplitude. – Andy aka May 3, 2020 at 9:47
3 Also an LC tank is made of passive components so amplification is not something that can happen.
You cannot get more signal power out than you put in. – Bimpelrekkie May 3, 2020 at 9:59

Nature of your confusion is quote:
Yes, but not very effectively. This is a huge problem in RF receiver design because high level input signals near
(but outside) the tuned circuit bandwidth break through (attenuated, but still louder than the signals you want)
interfering with the wanted signal. – user_1818839 May 3, 2020 at 14:12

here is a link:
https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/497328/can-a-lc-tank-circuit-amplify-frequencies-beyond-the-bandwidth-region

Wesley

ne0 · « **Reply #723 on:** September 01, 2022, 02:48:05 AM »

Again you copy paste the same nonsense and lies.

1) Power clearly is ampilfied since we can clearly measure current and voltage
in the circuit and calculate power P=IV which is 20 times (or more) the input

2) Some of the power clearly can be taken to power the real load as guy shows
280W of lights being powered WHILE CHARGING THE BATTERY that keeps the RLC
tank going

3) With fine tuning much bigger outputs are possible

ramset · « **Reply #724 on:** September 01, 2022, 03:35:32 AM »

Nix
I Strongly suggest you stop twisting your words and just
Host the claim!
The man in the video ( whom you also apparently taunt in comments at his video channel ( if it’s the same one from above)
Seems you really have no evidence at all in these vids ( actual method to validate ?

Since “you” understand this easy 20 fold gain mechanism
Put it into a schematic
And just give a 2fold result for replicators!
Should be a much easier task!

Show us the easy 2 fold
Any fold of more out than in !

Or is it really just the flamewars you want ?
It is really looking this way!

2 fold please even .2 will do
And no batteries
Capacitors please , they are a much easier to model and measure in the circuit
And easy for replicators to follow along dependably !

Please?
TEACH
We don’t need flamewars lessons !
Ps
I am sure it is late where you are atm
Please model the experiment
Not 20 times input
Just. 2 times will do!
And if that’s to hard
Try .2
No more flamewars Over YouTube’s with no evidential protocols ( circuits and expected results!
You Nix can believe all the theatre you wish
But slanderous actions which hold theatrical musings….? as evidence …a basis for slander ??

HUH ?
Get your own forum and put your own assets on the line !

Or do the much simpler thing and post schematic, specs etc
For a cop greater than 2

ne0 · « **Reply #725 on:** September 01, 2022, 04:05:23 AM »

Again the exact same bs....As if i did not predict EXACTLY
that he's just gonna dodge and sleazly avoid answering
and just repeat the same nonsense.....

Enough bs....stop twisting, dodging, demanding my replication
and pretending to beg for "2 fold", stop starting flamewars
(seems that's all YOU want).... stop the slandering.......
we all seen enough of your act

1) Answer CLEARLY

Are you denying that he very clearly shows 20x power amplification?

2) Answer CLEARLY

Are you denying other video very clearly shows 11-12X energy amplifcation?

ramset · « **Reply #726 on:** September 01, 2022, 08:18:49 AM »

Nix
Movies can show anything the presenter wants
Whether he actually understands what he is looking
At is a completely different story!

So you say he understands ( and then you actually yell at him in comments?

I think this conversation from my side is over
It would seem you absolutely do not have the ability to TEACH
Just fights
We don’t need help in fighting department
It’s not something We waste time with here
Flame wars are forbidden!

aa a man who picks multiple fights ( your list above) which have absolutely nothing to do with a successful replication!
When he could simply show he is right ?( about more power out than in )

Well ?

And you are not in a fight club here !
And our planet really does pay a huge price for burning our very thin atmosphere and poisoning our very precious water !
People really will freeze to death this year ( more than usual) or die do to cold side effects

And here you play a fight game ?

Your “fight flame” will go out here…. it’s not what we do !
Read the sign on the door below!
That’s our mission statement

You in or you out ?
Gonna fight ( somewhere else of course)
Or TEACH!

You say you have thousands of flavors of OU
Just one will do !

After over one year or more of this ?
You must have one test set up to show “more out than in “
On your bench !( amongst your mentioned thousands of FE device’s)

And if it’s just movie proof with no schematic or ?
Take that fight somewhere else !

kolbacict · « **Reply #727 on:** September 01, 2022, 11:14:07 AM »

Что вы на моего Веслика нападаете ?

ne0 · « **Reply #728 on:** September 01, 2022, 02:29:44 PM »

There, he again repeats exactly the same bs with slighty
rearranged words.... again he calls it "movies".....impyling
"deception" and accuses me of "picking fights" while that
is exactly what he is doing, picking fights to derail from
the SIMPLE TRUTH.

Now he lies that i said they "understand"....i did not.
I don't care if they understand altho they clearly do
to a certain extent....all i care about is demonstration
of the principles.

Your post is quick few word dismissal of videos and then
ton of personal attacks....

WE ALL SEE ENOUGH OF YOUR ACT, CUT IT.

Not to mention what a hypocrite you are to call real,
key videos "deceptions", to attack me personally
and post that silly welcome page screenshot
implying how you supposedly "look for a solution".
Nothing stinks more than a hypocrite.

I am asking you a simple OBJECTIVE question, so focus
on that, not personal attacks and bs.

Since you claim these videos are deception, say in which way
what is deceptive about them, be objective, let's hear it.

105W in 2.34kW reactive, clear 20 times power amplification.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVgp-gOBqsg

Lifting 74 pounds (33kg) dozens of times with slight finger push
Clear 11-12 times energy multiplication.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC6Qlj1Mbo8

ramset · « **Reply #729 on:** September 01, 2022, 02:52:38 PM »

Nix
You don’t need to jump around to all your flavors of over unity.
Pick one
Within skill set of forum …which you know works ( works on your bench)
Start a new build topic !
The builders community will definitely get the message!

Just one you have had in your own hands !

And even .2 will do

BTW
I am going to try to contact someone you have mentioned this last year
and see if ?

Persons who build and share are life’s blood of forum!

Please do!
Respectfully
Chet K
Ps noise to signal
Noise =random video evidence with no ability to replicate!
Signal = bench replication

BTW open source community skill set has few limits

ne0 · « **Reply #730 on:** September 01, 2022, 03:20:16 PM »

Your tactique is

1) call it a deception or strongly imply so
2) insist on my replication or nothing
3) repeat repeat repeat

People are not stupid they see what you do.

I am showing concrete KEY principles while
you are jumping around, derailing with lies and bs.

You continue to pretend to beg for a solution, asking for a build
yet when shown clearly real obvious gain mechanims you call it
"deception" have you no shame.

Let's focus on the second vid, we can see the old guy lift this
74lb 33kg weight dozens of times with his pinky.

If that is not OBVIOUS ENERGY GAIN what is.

Are you calling video a montage, a CGI or what....

If not, how do you explain that he lifts that big weight so many times and he could
clearly do it for 20-30min cause input energy is so tiny while output is AT LEAST
11-12 times more.

ramset · « **Reply #731 on:** September 01, 2022, 03:34:48 PM »

Nix
There is a huge reason that you do not get enuff attention ( a following)
Of builders !
First the fights … true builders here would prefer their fingernails pulled before engaging in such atmosphere!
2nd

Persons who build and share results get respect of open source community ,

Persons who see overunity at every YouTube?
And tell others to “build it “ you’ll see ?
It really is amazingly naive!
A rabbit hole which will consume years of life chasing ??( nothing OU at all)

I have not yet looked at any of videos you posted as it is your bench endorsement
The community seeks !
We have had years of lives wasted on such unproven assumptions

Do you have replication of any flavor?
Personal experience
“I did this it works”
Or is this where we end ?

I have no time for such bouncing around

Pick one
Anything
And I will be sure to get the needed input ( will bring hundreds of years combined experience to your bench !

Stop playing games !
It’s not a game
And for clarity
It will be 100% transparent process !

Scientific rigor will apply !

Respectfully
Chet K
PS
Who has the captains paddle?

Kolbacict
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Что вы на моего Веслика нападаете

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stivep · « **Reply #732 on:** September 01, 2022, 04:55:56 PM »

Quote from: ne0 on September 01, 2022, 02:29:44 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC6Qlj1Mbo8

few things:
1. pendulum as lever action
2. resonance (will be covered later if needed)
3. energy concentration (will be covered later if needed)

re 1.
Quote from comment under video :

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ibpointless2
10 years ago
You have to push the counter weight over ten feet to move the heavy weight two inches, this is clearly use a lever action.
You can lift a car with a big enough lever but it does not mean its free energy.

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howsybee
14 years ago
Let's analyse this video a little closer.
If the 46-pound pendulum was released from a 90° angle the centrifugal force could lift a maximum weight 3 times the pendulum's weight = 138 pounds.
With the bar ratio of 1.41:1 the pedulum could still lift a weight of 98 pounds.
Now, with a max. angle of approx. 77° as shown in the video, the pendulum could lift 76 pounds at the bottom which is roughly the left weight.

https://youtu.be/X9zLgWfYcXI?t=167
Wesley

ne0 · « **Reply #733 on:** September 01, 2022, 05:10:21 PM »

Of course just the same sleazy filth, personal attacks, dodging, distracting, injecting skepticism...

He accuses me of "fights" yet all he does is fight,

while he avoids the concrete subject like a hot iron!!!

Now he uses the idea of "community" against me, just same dirty tricks over and over again...

Look how SLEAZY this is....

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Persons who see overunity at every YouTube?
And tell others to “build it “ you’ll see ?
It really is amazingly naive!
A rabbit hole which will consume years of life chasing ??( nothing OU at all)

So i am "naive" just cause i can see, as do thousands if not millions who know this principle is OU,
around the world......and he tries to make it look as if i am trying to make people waste their lives
on something which is "nothing OU at all" (his words).

But it IS OU no matter how that hurts you and i am not suggesting anyone to build this
relatively primitive OU device, i am just sharing for those who are still not aware of it
to SEE AND UNDERSTAND IT, to know that YOU ARE A LIAR, that OU has been proven
long ago, it is already used world-wide.

Question is WHY are you still denying this unquestionable OU principle, what is your agenda,
or rather, how much are 'they' paying you for this (no matter who 'they' is).

I am building other stuff, i don't have to build this one to know it is OU, so many already have
and confirmed it, they all agree you can keep the pendulum oscillating with your pinky,
while energy due to big falling weight is many many times the input beyond any doubt.

And STILL he refuses to admit, he calls it "deception". WHY, what is this.

It is not a game but it is a DIRTY DIRTY game YOU play.

Stop playing games, admit the obvious or explain CONCRETELY why you claim
this principle which has been proven to be at least 11-12x OU, which so many
of us world-wide know to be true, is "deception" according to you.

ne0 · « **Reply #734 on:** September 01, 2022, 05:23:09 PM »

Look how stivep sleazily tries to confuse and distract people from the fact
that energy in is MANY times smaller than out.

Energy gain is due to combination of centrifugal force and gravity through lever action,
that is quite obvious. But input is definitely many times smaller than output.

There is

Force = Mass * acceleration
Work = force * distance moved unit: newton meter or joule or Work = Mass * Gravity * Height
Work = Change in Energy
Power = work / time = force * displacement / time = force * velocity
Power (hp,watt) = work(ENERGY)/time aka time rate of energy transfer
Energy = Power x Time

So work done is proportional to mass x g x height it drops from.

If you lift 74lb aka 33kg vertically say 5 or 10 cm and drop it energy you input lifting it
will be equal to energy released as it impacts the surface.

Now, how much energy do you have to invest to lift 74lb aka 33kg just once,
we all know that is significant weight, doing it just 5 times would start to tire anyone.

How bout doing it for half an hour non stop, every 2 seconds.

And here we have a device doing exactly that, yet input is literally just maintaining
the swinging pendulum with slight pinky pushes.

DO YOU SEE WHAT HE'S DOING; HE'S TRYING TO CONVINCE YOU ENERGY IN = ENERGY OUT.

He is literally calling you morons.

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