Author Topic: Reactive Current - Parallel RCL (Read 125790 times)

onepower · « **Reply #480 on:** July 03, 2022, 07:26:36 AM »

stivep
You seem pretty cool but you logic and line of reason seems incoherent to me. You started on electronics and Zenneck Waves, jumped to home appliances, touched on language and economics and ended up howling at the moon. It ends up sounding like a diatribe of miscellaneous subjects having no direction or focus I can comprehend.

No offense but I have literally no idea what in the hell you were actually trying to say... it eludes me.

Regards
AC

kolbacict · « **Reply #481 on:** July 03, 2022, 08:15:25 AM »

Quote from: onepower on July 03, 2022, 12:58:52 AM

Easy and difficult is relative...
AC

I meant it's hard to find a link to synchro1 with my ancient computer, my slow internet.
p.s. But the perpetual motion machine is also not yet obtained.

p.p.s. Are there no gold-refining vandals in your country?

Thaelin · « **Reply #482 on:** July 03, 2022, 08:57:53 AM »

Quote from: onepower on July 03, 2022, 07:26:36 AM

stivep
You seem pretty cool but you logic and line of reason seems incoherent to me. You started on electronics and Zenneck Waves, jumped to home appliances, touched on language and economics and ended up howling at the moon. It ends up sounding like a diatribe of miscellaneous subjects having no direction or focus I can comprehend.

No offense but I have literally no idea what in the hell you were actually trying to say... it eludes me.

Regards
AC

How most threads go on the forum. How it is easily derailed into oblivion.

pix · « **Reply #483 on:** July 03, 2022, 12:36:26 PM »

Quote from: Thaelin on July 03, 2022, 08:57:53 AM

How most threads go on the forum. How it is easily derailed into oblivion.

Yep.
3 pages ago I asked question regarding diodes in Stepanov resonant transformer.
Nobody reply, but discussion went completely banana around some ambitious and personal matters.
Subject is : RLC parallel reactive current, yet discussion derails into some exotic topics .

Waiting when it cools down .

Cheers,
Pix

stivep · « **Reply #484 on:** July 03, 2022, 03:11:41 PM »

Quote from: onepower on July 03, 2022, 07:26:36 AM

stivep
//you logic and line of reason seems incoherent to me.

my reasoning coherency is around your reaction

Quote from: onepower on July 03, 2022, 12:58:52 AM

_{Easy and difficult is relative...
// many people who have spent a lifetime chasing this technology //Tesla, Moray, Benitez, Figuera, Hendershot
//99% of the population // delusional or misinformed about the nature of reality?.
// most get triggered and completely lose}

analysis of elements of your quote
you started with:
– involvement
– listing of unfortunate inventors
– reality of delusional or misinformed population
and ended with
– disappointment
and that does not differ much from your own comment about me:

Quote from: onepower on July 03, 2022, 07:26:36 AM

Wesley//You started on electronics and Zenneck Waves, jumped to home appliances, touched on language and economics and ended up howling at the moon. no direction or focus //
Regards
AC

I love your comments, thank you very much.
all of those famous losers in FE had knowledge experience in agenda targeting specified goal - get/getting money.
But most of you are disappointed critics with no background or willingness to get one.
hobbyists differ from involved scientists not much, collecting knowledge on the fly, enhancing their formative assessment,
– professionalism by choice and desire and pleasure of being, seeing, touching, experiencing despite the outcome.

real involved hobbyists are not losers. – while Joe Schmoe rather goes to Bahamas
All the rest of the guys in FE are likely just losers, total losers and/or unfulfilled opportunists.

Wesley

stivep · « **Reply #485 on:** July 03, 2022, 03:29:15 PM »

Quote from: pix on July 03, 2022, 12:36:26 PM

Yep.
3 pages ago I asked question regarding diodes in Stepanov resonant transformer.
Pix

I responded to your question.
https://overunity.com/18878/reactive-current-parallel-rcl/msg568349/#msg568349
Long story needed to qualify Stepanov resonant transformer. as
–not important to evaluators,
– rejected by investor requesting from Stefanov to approach Akula.
– I didn't see device other than on video, no schematic was presented to me.

After you have got my answer, we switched focus to other areas,
did you expect this topic to end, right up to your question?

Wesley

kolbacict · « **Reply #486 on:** July 03, 2022, 05:37:10 PM »

Does this concept of a wind turbine without moving parts have the right to life?

onepower · « **Reply #487 on:** July 06, 2022, 08:36:43 AM »

stivep

Quote

all of those famous losers in FE had knowledge experience in agenda targeting specified goal - get/getting money.
But most of you are disappointed critics with no background or willingness to get one.
hobbyists differ from involved scientists not much, collecting knowledge on the fly, enhancing their formative assessment,
– professionalism by choice and desire and pleasure of being, seeing, touching, experiencing despite the outcome.

real involved hobbyists are not losers. – while Joe Schmoe rather goes to Bahamas
All the rest of the guys in FE are likely just losers, total losers and/or unfulfilled opportunists.

Famous losers, like Moray, Schauberger, Figuera, Tesla and others?. As Tesla once said "'The present is theirs; the future, for which I really worked, is mine". Tesla nailed it didn't he?, I mean he and his work are more popular and relevant than ever. Now countless new inventors are developing new FE technologies and crediting people like Tesla as there inspiration. So Tesla was correct and while countless others in history were forgotten he was not. As Tesla implied, all the psychotic assholes working against him are buried and forgotten yet he and his work remains...

Regards
AC

pix · « **Reply #488 on:** July 06, 2022, 04:50:48 PM »

Finally found out what is the key of Stepanov, Striebkov ect. resonant power amplifiers.

Series resonance.
3 transformers.
1st trafo secondary + matched capacitor---connected to primary of 2nd step down transformer, secondary + matched capacitor------connected to 3rd step down transformer.
We have two resonant tanks cascaded.
First one have Q1 greater than 1, second one have Q2 greater than 1 . Total amplification is Q1 x Q2>1
Series resonance increases voltage, that's why step down transformers.
Of course variation of setups are present, Stepanov is little different from Strebkov but main idea is the same.

The same did Kapanadze in Turkey.
3 Tesla coils firing sparks from top terminals to step down HV transformers.

I am going to implement that idea, I have in my backyard old distribution trafo 11kv/380v , 100Kva ,50Hz. Will be ideal for 3rd step down transformer.

Cheers,
Pix

stivep · « **Reply #489 on:** July 06, 2022, 08:08:37 PM »

Quote from: pix on July 06, 2022, 04:50:48 PM

Finally found out what is the key of Stepanov, Striebkov ect. resonant power amplifiers.
First one have Q1 greater than 1, second one have Q2 greater than 1 . Total amplification is Q1 x Q2>1

simply answer the question:
amplification of what?

Quote from: pix on July 06, 2022, 04:50:48 PM

firing sparks from top terminals to step down HV transformers.

sparks are impulses.
Having high voltage transformers powered by impulses you may have light from light bulbs manifesting
increased level of luminosity at half power used, due to slow time of tungsten cooling.
And if impulses will be delivered frequently faster than human eyes perception,
–we may think we got an amplification, and investors might foolishly invest money.

A similar effect is used in motion picture, were speed of moving individual frames makes eyes
think that it is a "real-time" motion.

Wesley

pix · « **Reply #490 on:** July 06, 2022, 09:51:56 PM »

@Stivep
Amplification of voltage in series resonant tank, stepped down to increase current.
RU2517378C1 - Resonance power amplifier - Google Patents

Quote:
Having high voltage transformers powered by impulses you may have light from light bulbs manifesting[/size]increased level of luminosity at half power used, due to slow time of tungsten cooling.And if impulses will be delivered frequently faster than human eyes perception,–we may think we got an amplification, and investors might foolishly invest money.

Tesla transformer is electromagnetic energy trap, it collects damped oscillations from primary resonant tank. That collected energy is fired off the top terminal through HV step down transformer.

Cheers,
Pix

stivep · « **Reply #491 on:** July 07, 2022, 03:29:31 AM »

Quote from: pix on July 06, 2022, 09:51:56 PM

@Stivep
Tesla transformer is electromagnetic energy trap, it collects damped oscillations from primary resonant tank. That collected energy is fired off the top terminal through HV step down transformer.

Tesla transformer is not an electromagnetic energy trap,
_{Tesla transformer is a high-frequency high-voltage resonant transformer,
having it's resonant frequency at specified boundaries called bandwidth.}_{It may act as a transmitter or receiver but never as both.}_word_{"bandwidth" here means:a range of frequencies of the filter
at resonance used for transmitting a signal.
–}_{were word "filter" stands for for circuit in resonance: example – transformer in resonance.
word "resonant" here means: resonant frequency that is the frequency at which resonance happens.}
picture it as a corridor having certain width ( bandwidth. ) where all doors are open,
and only e.g six people (frequencies) next to each other can pass .

interpretation:
_{in your quote from above I see nonessential inconsistency.
secondary winding of Tesla coil dumps oscillations and those left overs are then delivered to the spark gap
having more losses.
And all of it is powered from the electrical grid.}
_____________________________________________________________________

Quote from: pix on July 06, 2022, 09:51:56 PM

collects damped oscillations from primary resonant tank.

The reduction in amplitude (or energy) of an oscillator is called damping and the oscillation are said to be damped.
in other words we talk about losses, – not about gains
_{for example if your girlfriend dumps you, it's your loss(however sometime you may gain in the long run )}
_{so collecting losses in primary resonant tank is not a gain, but is collecting leftovers.}

those who are amazed with something that is greater than unity may read this:
https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/4050644?arnumber=4050644
https://www.oldfriend.url.tw/article/IEEE_paper
/Synthesis%20of%20Passive%20RC%20Networks%20with%20Gains.pdf
I didn't analyze the patent yet,
https://patents.google.com/patent/RU2517378C1/en
_{backed by prestigious Russian educational facility}_{Всероссийский научно-исследовательский институт электрификации сельского хозяйства Российской академии сельскохозяйственных наук (ГНУ ВИЭСХ Россельхозакадемии)
Application filed by
Dmitry Semenovich Strebkov, Rudolf Klavdievich Katorgin,
State Scientific Institution All-Russian Research Institute of Electrification of Agriculture
of the Russian Academy of Agricultural Sciences (GNU VIESKh rosselkhozakademiya)}
but it is very interesting dynamic system, were gain depends from the load.

however knowing Russian reality of crooks, and corruption everything is possible including
patents standing about "overunity"

Wesley.

truesearch · « **Reply #492 on:** July 07, 2022, 06:15:21 AM »

@kolbacict

Quote from: kolbacict on July 03, 2022, 05:37:10 PM

Does this concept of a wind turbine without moving parts have the right to life?

Is there an English version of the "Power.pdf" file that you posted?

kolbacict · « **Reply #493 on:** July 07, 2022, 07:58:00 AM »

I don't know. Maybe not.
you translate with a translator.
There, in general, we are talking about the fact that the wind does
work by moving ionized air against the Coulomb forces.
By adding energy (voltage)
There is one drawback, it will not work in the rain.

pix · « **Reply #494 on:** July 07, 2022, 10:25:27 AM »

Quote from: stivep on July 07, 2022, 03:29:31 AM

Tesla transformer is not an electromagnetic energy trap,
_{Tesla transformer is a high-frequency high-voltage resonant transformer,
having it's resonant frequency at specified boundaries called bandwidth.}
The reduction in amplitude (or energy) of an oscillator is called damping and the oscillation are said to be damped.
in other words we talk about losses, – not about gains
_{for example if your girlfriend dumps you, it's your loss(however sometime you may gain in the long run )}
_{so collecting losses in primary resonant tank is not a gain, but is collecting leftovers.}

Wesley.

I do not agree.
Tesla secondary is quarter wave helical transmission line where energy from primary LC tank is ACCUMULATED.
So, my description of "primary LC tank oscillations damping" means that those oscillations are damped INTO Tesla secondary.
We do not loose those oscillations from primary, they do not damps for nothing, they damps into COLLECTOR- Tesla secondary.
That's why I named Tesla secondary as "energy trap".
Tesla himself said that we should thank God that we have oscillations. And we can do something with it.
"Oscillations" are the property of Nature( LC tank in that example) and we can do something with them. We charge capacitor ONCE and let that charge oscillate between L and C many times before it dies out. And we can collect some of that oscillating energy.

I went through few Strebkov patents. For sure he is not a dumb man. Many of his patents are closely related to Tesla.
Stepanov, Strebkov method is straightforward. Raise voltage by series resonant LC tank ( the higher Q of the circuit the better)- and step that voltage down with step down transformer, to get useable current. Process can be cascaded to get more useable current.
Another very interesting work is done by Xiaodong Liu and his work in the area of "retarded resonance".
This guy is not a dumb one , Department of Nuclear Physics, China Institute of Atomic Energy.
Publication is attached below.

The door to collect some energy into useable form lies in resonance. This is my opinion.
Enough of disputes.
Once I test it I will post the results.

Cheers,
Pix

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