Author Topic: Reactive Current - Parallel RCL (Read 125647 times)

stivep · « **Reply #435 on:** June 29, 2022, 08:25:03 AM »

Quote from: onepower on June 29, 2022, 03:38:05 AM

stivep
If this is true can you name anything anywhere NOT in perpetual motion?.
I mean if what your implying is true then even a child should be able to name one thing not in perpetual motion.
I think it's comical because I have yet to meet anyone who has either the balls or brains to answer the question.
It's pretty pretty simple... put up or shut up.

Regards
AC

I do it with pleasure.
Talking about perpetual motion we mean the machine, device, of some free energy dreamersl
At first we need to specify what is perpetual motion machine (of the first kind and second kind):

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Perpetual motion is the motion of bodies that continues forever in an unperturbed system.
A perpetual motion machine is a hypothetical machine that can do work infinitely
without an external energy source.

This kind of machine is impossible, as it would violate the first or second law of thermodynamics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_motion thermodynamics.

The answer to your question now:
any motion of the machine that doesn't violate the first or second law of thermodynamics is not perpetual motion of that machine
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You may catch me on semantics, but not much beyond that.

Wesley

pix · « **Reply #436 on:** June 29, 2022, 11:29:49 AM »

@StivepResonant transformer - YouTube
I think Stepanov transformer is just a simple resonant circuit.
Inductance is transformer secondary,on secondary side matched capacitor.
At resonance magnetizing current in primary is at minimum, large current and voltage is circulating between secondary of transformer and capacitor.
Driving frequency on primary is probably greater than 50Hz, that's why diodes on the output.
Current is rectified and may be used for heating .

onepower · « **Reply #437 on:** June 30, 2022, 07:46:17 AM »

stivep

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Talking about perpetual motion we mean the machine, device, of some free energy dreamersl
At first we need to specify what is perpetual motion machine (of the first kind and second kind):

You didn't say a perpetual motion machine you said perpetual motion is impossible which is obviously incorrect.

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Perpetual motion is the motion of bodies that continues forever in an unperturbed system.
A perpetual motion machine is a hypothetical machine that can do work infinitely
without an external energy source.

This kind of machine is impossible, as it would violate the first or second law of thermodynamics.

I call this nonsense the false cause fallacy gambit.

This is when the person claims a free energy device cannot work because...
1)It cannot work infinitely without an external energy source.
2)It would violate the Conservation of Energy.
3)It would violate the first or second law of thermodynamics.

It's a false cause fallacy because the critics falsely assumed the device must violate any number of laws while being completely ignorant to any facts. Ergo, if they have no idea how it could possibly work then how would they know it violates any laws?. They cannot because there conclusion is based on a lack of knowledge and understanding. I mean, to a dimwit everything is impossible.

Regards
AC

stivep · « **Reply #438 on:** June 30, 2022, 08:43:18 PM »

Quote from: onepower on June 30, 2022, 07:46:17 AM

stivep
_{You didn't say a perpetual motion machine you said perpetual motion is impossible which is obviously incorrect.

I call this nonsense the false cause fallacy gambit.

This is when the person claims a free energy device cannot work because...
1)It cannot work infinitely without an external energy source.
2)It would violate the Conservation of Energy.
3)It would violate the first or second law of thermodynamics.}

_Regards
AC

Quote from: stivep on June 29, 2022, 08:25:03 AM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_motion thermodynamics.
The answer to your question:
any motion of the machine that doesn't violate the first or second law of thermodynamics is not perpetual motion of that machine
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You may catch me on semantics, but not much beyond that.

You saw the opportunity to challenge me, so you did.
Now you complaining that, Wesley was prepared for that,

Quote from: onepower on June 30, 2022, 07:46:17 AM

This is when the person claims a free energy device cannot work because...

Free Energy is not perpetual motion,= no gain to us.
Free Energy is only the energy that we don't have to pay for.-but it can work_(physics) for us.

Quote from: onepower on June 30, 2022, 07:46:17 AM

It's a false cause fallacy because the critics falsely assumed the device must violate any number of laws while being completely ignorant to any facts. Ergo, if they have no idea how it could possibly work then how would they know it violates any laws?. They cannot because there conclusion is based on a lack of knowledge and understanding. I mean, to a dimwit everything is impossible.

Physics is not based on belief or assumption
Physics doesn't recognize God.
Physics is based on models, and models are based on laws.
-there is no ignorance to the facts, it is just recognition or lack of recognition of the facts.
But at first those facts must exist and manifest its presence.

Work_(physics) is the only factor treated as an evidence of fact for FE community.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Work_(physics)

Quote from: stivep on June 29, 2022, 08:25:03 AM

I mean, to a dimwit everything is impossible

Unfortunately according to current physics,not much of this exotic BS is possible:
Overunity- not possible
Perpetual motion machine -not possible
ether/ eather - doesn't exist
time travel, - not possible
antigravity - not possible
Wesley

alan · « **Reply #439 on:** July 01, 2022, 12:07:56 PM »

Free energy is potential regauging, because a potential can do free work, they convert virtual energy flux to observable energy, from seemingly nothing to a forcefieldflux. Magnets can do free work, the balance gets even when you put in energy afterwards to separate the magnets.

stivep · « **Reply #440 on:** July 01, 2022, 03:30:56 PM »

Quote from: alan on July 01, 2022, 12:07:56 PM

Free energy is "potential regauging,", because a potential can do free work, they convert virtual energy flux to observable energy, from seemingly nothing to a forcefieldflux. Magnets can do free work, the balance gets even when you put in energy afterwards to separate the magnets.

What a twist of a cocktail ,
let's disassemble it to the single components
each component will be marked with different color corresponding with the quote from above:
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"free energy" descriptor abuse manifests itself if not associated with particular subject.
it will have different meaning for chemistry, thermodynamics,
for example:
https://www.britannica.com/science/free-energy
https://www.physicallensonthecell.org/physical-molecular-processes/free-energy-energy-available-work
https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/earth-and-planetary-sciences/free-energy
So for us the FE community:
Free Energy determines, how systems change and how much work they can produce knowing that we would not have to pay for it.
the free energy has its origin in a form of transfer, conversion...

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"potential regauging," descriptor abuse manifests itself in number of articles and publications
-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regauging
_{– http://www.intalek.com/Index/Projects/Research/REGAUGINGMasterOverunityMechanism.htm
example of total nonsense:}

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_{A-regauging of the magnetic scalar potential to either (iii) accelerate the rotor,
or (iv) go to zero so as to zero out the back-drag.
So one will adjust the polarity and strength of the magnetic scalar potential}

_{- https: Use_of_Regauging_and_Multivalved_Potentials_to_Achieve_Overunity_EM_Engines:_}_{Concepts_and_Specific_Engine_Examples}_{-https://www.glossaria.net/en/tesla-scientific-developments
-yet loosely related and other nonsense:
https://billstclair.com/www.cheniere.org/techpapers/jap/masterprinciple.htm
end of abused events listing.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regauging this link is placed here for clarity .
As you see there is no text here.}
But in physics:

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_{https://www.liquisearch.com/regauging/classical_gauge_theory/classical_electromagnetism
first example of gauge symmetry to be discovered was classical electromagnetism.
In electrostatics, one can either discuss the electric field, E, or its corresponding electric potential, V.
Knowledge of one makes it possible to find the other, except that potentials differing by
a constant, correspond to the same electric field.
This is because the electric field relates to changes in the potential from one point in space to
another, and the constant C would cancel out when subtracting to find the change in potential.}

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virtual energy flux
energy flux is explained here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_flux

descriptor: virtual energy flux is unknown to me,
_{please explain what you have in mind, what it means, including a link to scientific literature.}
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observable energy,:
In classical physics, an observable isa physical quantity that can be measured.
in quantum physics, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observable#Quantum_mechanics
Incompatibility of observables in quantum mechanics is explained here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observable#Incompatibility_of_observables_in_quantum_mechanics

please specify what you have in mind.

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Magnets can do free work,
No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm sorry magnet cannot work -at all
https://www.quora.com/If-magnetic-fields-cant-do-work-how-can-one-magnet-physically-move-another

Wesley

stivep · « **Reply #441 on:** July 01, 2022, 04:03:19 PM »

Quote from: nix85 on June 24, 2022, 07:48:58 PM

HA, this clown is spewing utter drivel constantly and now he even
DENIES ETHER.
My my, what a joke. To deny ether,

Quote from: stivep on June 24, 2022, 01:47:27 PM

Nix85 was spreading "heresy" - profoundly at odds with what is generally accepted by science.

did you notice that nix85 was Last Active: June 27, 2022, 08:12:28 PM.
He is likely from émigrés of Russian family - with good English from St. John's Newfoundland Labrador Canada region.
it looks like Putin didn't deliver money on time (joke).

Wesley

alan · « **Reply #442 on:** July 01, 2022, 04:11:55 PM »

"Work" requires motion.
What is it called if a simple magnet exerts a force on an iron ball which causes it to roll and accelerate towards the magnet? Or does it not move according to theory?

https://www.quora.com/Quantum-Field-Theory-The-Coulomb-force-between-electrical-charges-is-caused-by-exchange-of-photons-What-is-really-going-on-how-is-the-transfer-of-these-virtual-particles-responsible-for-such-important-phenomena-we-experience-in-our-daily-lives

For the love of simplicity and symmetry:

stivep · « **Reply #443 on:** July 01, 2022, 04:35:05 PM »

Quote from: alan on July 01, 2022, 04:11:55 PM

"Work" requires motion.
What is it called if a simple magnet exerts a force on an iron ball which causes it to roll and accelerate towards the magnet? Or does it not move according to theory?

For the love of simplicity and symmetry:

Quote from: alan on July 01, 2022, 04:11:55 PM

"Work" requires motion.

by that "work" is no longer related to free energy, unless this work is paid by nature, or somebody else.
force used to do "work"must come from somewhere, and at the expense of someone or something.
–you may only do "work" using magnets
"Work" associated and explained as "Work" of magnets is pure nonsense .

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Quote from: alan on July 01, 2022, 12:07:56 PM

_{Free energy is potential regauging, because a potential can do free work, they convert virtual energy flux to observable energy, from seemingly nothing to a forcefieldflux. Magnets can do free work, the balance gets even when you put in energy afterwards to separate the magnets.}

in my response: Re: Reactive Current - Parallel RCL « Reply #440 on: Today at 03:30:56 PM »
I ask you to respond to unknown/non-clear to me descriptors you have used, so I can start to understand what you talking about.
Would you please provide the link to the picture of yours so I can analyze article.
Wesley

alan · « **Reply #444 on:** July 01, 2022, 04:39:35 PM »

force used to do "work"must come from somewhere, and at the expense of someone or something.
At what expense is a magnet adding energy to an iron object?

Above picture shows what the "Lorenz gauge" is dismissing of mathematically and invariantly (they can do without it)

stivep · « **Reply #445 on:** July 01, 2022, 04:49:16 PM »

in my response: Re: Reactive Current - Parallel RCL « Reply #440 on: Today at 03:30:56 PM »
I ask you to respond to unknown/non-clear to me descriptors you have used, so I can start to understand what you talking about.
Wesley
please respond to this particular post before we go forward.

1.Please provide the link. to the picture
"interpreting 4-symetry in electrical engineering terms"
2."potential regauging,"- what is it and what do you understand by that?
3. "virtual energy flux" - what is it and what do you understand by that?
4. " forcefieldflux" - what is it and what do you understand by that?
5. please explain the process of "virtual energy flux to observable energy, from seemingly nothing to a forcefieldflux"
6. please explain the role of the magnets in .5 where Magnets can do free work

please provide the answer in numerical order and in the format:
example: ."potential regauging," is .....

Wesley

alan · « **Reply #446 on:** July 01, 2022, 04:50:47 PM »

Quote from: stivep on July 01, 2022, 04:49:16 PM

in my response: Re: Reactive Current - Parallel RCL « Reply #440 on: Today at 03:30:56 PM »
I ask you to respond to unknown/non-clear to me descriptors you have used, so I can start to understand what you talking about.
Would you please provide the link to the picture of yours so I can analyze article.
Wesley

please respond to this particular post before we go forward.
Please also provide the link. The picture
"interpreting 4-symetry in electrical engineering terms"
Wesley

If we're done discussing the work-energy problem.

stivep · « **Reply #447 on:** July 01, 2022, 05:00:26 PM »

Quote from: alan on July 01, 2022, 04:50:47 PM

If we're done discussing the work-energy problem.

No
where is your response to my questions or you rather prefer– that I need to repeat them?
Wesley

stivep · « **Reply #448 on:** July 01, 2022, 05:02:51 PM »

Quote from: stivep on July 01, 2022, 05:00:26 PM

No
please respond to the questions or you rather prefer a need to repeat them?
Wesley

alan · « **Reply #449 on:** July 01, 2022, 05:10:48 PM »

Quote from: stivep on July 01, 2022, 05:00:26 PM

No
response to the questions or you rather prefer need to repeat them?
Wesley

I'll repeat them: my main point was movement, work, energy that a permanent magnet adds to an object without apparent input
and the broken symmetry of an electric dipole that's doing the same to particles: asserting a force on charges, attracting them, adding energy and movement, without the dipole being consumed.
Gravity does the same: if a meteor enters the gravitational influence of the earth and it falls to ground, it accelerates by F=m*g, and energy is added by 0,5mv^2 and totalled by W=F*s, energy has been added without gravitational potential being "consumed".

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