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Author Topic: Reactive Current - Parallel RCL  (Read 67936 times)

Offline stivep

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Re: Reactive Current - Parallel RCL
« Reply #390 on: June 24, 2022, 04:09:48 AM »

Offline nix85

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Re: Reactive Current - Parallel RCL
« Reply #391 on: June 24, 2022, 04:19:48 AM »
Quoting ramset also ain't gonna help you.

Answer the questions or simply admit you're wrong.

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Re: Reactive Current - Parallel RCL
« Reply #392 on: June 24, 2022, 10:34:11 AM »
so if I am not reliable than please prove me wrong
The statement is  :try our best my friend, but keep in mind:
no matter what you say about RLC power amplification that is a complete nonsense.
You will also be ask to explain what that extra amplified  power comes from?
what is that power origin?

the law of conservation of energy:
energy cannot be created nor destroyed.


Wesley
Resonant circuit do not amplify anything, it ACCUMULATES.
It is electromagnetic energy trap.
Tesla did explain it nicely.
Regarding current, in quarter wave resonator voltage additive multiplication takes place at the top terminal, current multiplication at the ground node.
Check out Corums work.
Cheers,
Pix

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Re: Reactive Current - Parallel RCL
« Reply #393 on: June 24, 2022, 01:47:27 PM »
Resonant circuit do not amplify anything, it ACCUMULATES.
It is electromagnetic energy trap.
Tesla did explain it nicely.
Regarding current, in quarter wave resonator voltage additive multiplication takes place at the top terminal, current multiplication at the ground node.
Check out Corums work.
Cheers,
Pix
Correct.( it concentrates energy "flow" like an open gate)
Thank You.
Nix85 was spreading "heresy" -  profoundly at odds with what is generally accepted  by science.
Apparently you try to disprove overunity
Yes.
overunity is  never proven and rejected nonsense .
https://overunity.com/18815/has-anyone-here-constructed-an-overunity-system-that-works/msg556417/#msg556417

Wesley
 

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Re: Reactive Current - Parallel RCL
« Reply #394 on: June 24, 2022, 02:41:07 PM »
Correct.( it concentrates energy "flow".)



Exactly! :)
Flow is a key word here.
Tesla described this as a big tank filled from the hose. Tank is equipped with a large dump valve in the bottom.
Once water level in the tank reaches a point where pressure overcomes spring force of dump valve- accumulated water in the tank is released with large flow.
Other examples:
Tesla described it also as charging capacitor from atmospheric voltage diference ( around 100V/m) and discharging capacitor through a spark gap  once reached breakdown voltage.
All kinds of magnetic compression methods, explosive and non explosive- where a weak and non usefull practically  magnetic field is compressed to a large pulse.
Ambient electromagnetic field power harvesters .
Hydro power- river flow is first accumulated in a large dams, and dumped through turbines to generate power.
Ect.
There is a lot of energy around us that Nature provides, low grade energy that we could convert to useable form by a properly converting it.
And resonant LC circuit is one of them.


Cheers,
Pix




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Re: Reactive Current - Parallel RCL
« Reply #395 on: June 24, 2022, 04:46:49 PM »
Another old, unknown success video, this guy is apparently doubling the power
using three coils on same half core, two coils on the sides are in opposition, screams
scalar.

Subtitles - auto translate are your friend.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df48bstPN14
Yep, pic also screams VIC and Floyd Sweet.     
My hypothesis: 
Scalar potential of V/m on a conductor/resistor/load, electrons are pumped through it because that's what a EMF scalar potential does, the partnered coils  through mutual inductance prevent this current that is pumped through the load to be part of the circuit that generates the potential, no magnetic feedback to primary, no Lenz back-emf, so no increase of input current. aka asymmetrical regauging of the potential and 'don't destroy the dipole'. 

Needs resonance to shake the electrons in the load because they're not being part of a closed current loop.  Open system. 
If an electret self-oscillated, could it drive a load???

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Re: Reactive Current - Parallel RCL
« Reply #396 on: June 24, 2022, 04:57:17 PM »
What a pile of self-contradictions.

If stivep meant it can be "concentrated" not "amplified",
he would've said so but he never did.

And even if he did it would still be wrong.

This semantic question of amplify vs concentrate has already
been addressed when i wrote

"So it is definitely possible to amplify power, you may argue if that power
is usable."

Even if it wasn't usable (which it is) it would still be an amplification
inside the RLC.

And it clearly is usable. Part of the amplified power is taken namely
280W and system is self fed, as already shown.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYWgcRB73bw

And this is one of smaller examples.

Moreover pix in last part of the post admits self-contradictorily that

"There is a lot of energy around us that Nature provides, low grade energy
which could convert to useable form with resonant LC."

Of course, there is nothing low grade about these subtle energies, their power
is literally infinite. It is limited only by how much we can resist and dissipate.

So he admits resonant LC can be used to convert what he wrongly thinks is
"low grade" ambient energy, which is nothing else but power/energy amplification.

Something he just claimed resonant RLC cannot do literally in previous post.

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Re: Reactive Current - Parallel RCL
« Reply #397 on: June 24, 2022, 05:17:46 PM »
What a pile of self-contradictions.


Moreover pix in last part of the post admits self-contradictorily that

"There is a lot of energy around us that Nature provides, low grade energy
which could convert to useable form with resonant LC."

Of course, there is nothing low grade about these subtle energies, their power
is literally infinite. It is limited only by how much we can resist and dissipate.

So he admits resonant LC can be used to "convert" what he wrongly thinks is
"low grade" ambient energy, which is nothing else but power/energy amplification.

Something he just claimed resonant RLC cannot do literally in previous post.


Please understand "low grade" like in therodynamics , heat pump analogy. We convert large amounts of 10 degC ambient air into smaller amount of 50 degC air suitable for heating your home or water.
10degC air isn't very usefull for heating your house, isn't it?
By the aid of compressor and properties of refrigerant we can compress that "low grade" ambient energy into useable form.
Same thing will happen with ambient electromagnetic energy of space surrounding us.
We can tap into that energy radiation, that is "low grade", maybe volts, milivolts or microvolts in amplitude. Maybe watts or miliwatts per second.
Milivolts and miliwatts aren't very usefull for practical purposes, to power something in your home, isn't it? That's why I call this "low grade".
With resonant LC tank we could tap into that electromagnetic spectrum and convert miliwatts into Watts or more.
Something with miliwatts but at high frequency (kHZ or MHz) could be converted into Watts at Hz frequency.
Proper LC resonant circuit would do this. It acts as accumulator, "we fill with a hose a big tank equipped a large dump valve at the bottom".


Cheers,
Pix




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Re: Reactive Current - Parallel RCL
« Reply #398 on: June 24, 2022, 05:50:43 PM »
example from classical mechanics:

actually it is like that:
you can feel 10 kg push of your  left-hand finger to the palm of your right hand.
But if you concentrate that 10 kg force on the needle pushing  the palm of your right hand,
then this needle will come out from the other side of that hand.

example from quantum physics:

if you concentrate 10 W of power on the laser beam you can burn a hole in paper sheet up to 10 m
but that depends from the frequency.

The LRC circuit in resonance can become the very narrow bandwidth (filter) , and that all 10 W energy can flow through it.
that bandwidth is the bandwidth of our open gate in resonance.
I will explain more in the next post.

if you can concentrate microwatts per square foot in area of Texas and release it through a very narrow filter
you might have pinpoint directed EMP.

Dr. Corum introduced Earth/air interface there is a the waveguide for an electromagnetic wave impacting it at complex Brewster angle.
Need to understand that all lightnings eventually strikes  the earth.
So if we have 1.4 billion flashes per year and some of that energy randomly strikes at complex Brewster angle, then we have
electromagnetic energy collectively at this waveguide known as interface.so all you need is to to tune your LRC circuit take this energy out at complex Brewster angle, using preferably Tesla coil .
-inverse square law doesn't apply to waveguides. losses in he interface below 20kHz are really  small. and that is the entire secret of Tariel Kapanadze
Wesley 
« Last Edit: June 25, 2022, 01:45:41 AM by stivep »

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Re: Reactive Current - Parallel RCL
« Reply #399 on: June 24, 2022, 06:07:35 PM »
you can amplify energy not only power, the key is in Steven Mark comments
of course you need:
1. Energy source beside power input
2. Sound scientific theory


it was described many times in varoius threads here just connect dots
energy amplification needs resonant condition but it's resonance with medium and resonance with steps required not just electrical resonance


just tap energy of thunderbolts

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Re: Reactive Current - Parallel RCL
« Reply #400 on: June 24, 2022, 06:18:53 PM »
you can amplify energy not only power, the key is in Steven Mark comments
of course you need:
1. Energy source beside power input
2. Sound scientific theory


it was described many times in varoius threads here just connect dots
energy amplification needs resonant condition but it's resonance with medium and resonance with steps required not just electrical resonance


just tap energy of thunderbolts
you're absolutely right.
Power stands for level.Energy is that what would be amplified,
but we where talking about special case of LRC circuit that can't amplify no energy nor its power level.
https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/239852/rlc-filter-as-amplifier
Wesley

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Re: Reactive Current - Parallel RCL
« Reply #401 on: June 24, 2022, 06:28:13 PM »

Please understand "low grade" like in therodynamics , heat pump analogy. We convert large amounts of 10 degC ambient air into smaller amount of 50 degC air suitable for heating your home or water.
10degC air isn't very usefull for heating your house, isn't it?
By the aid of compressor and properties of refrigerant we can compress that "low grade" ambient energy into useable form.
Same thing will happen with ambient electromagnetic energy of space surrounding us.
We can tap into that energy radiation, that is "low grade", maybe volts, milivolts or microvolts in amplitude. Maybe watts or miliwatts per second.
Milivolts and miliwatts aren't very usefull for practical purposes, to power something in your home, isn't it? That's why I call this "low grade".
With resonant LC tank we could tap into that electromagnetic spectrum and convert miliwatts into Watts or more.
Something with miliwatts but at high frequency (kHZ or MHz) could be converted into Watts at Hz frequency.
Proper LC resonant circuit would do this. It acts as accumulator, "we fill with a hose a big tank equipped a large dump valve at the bottom".


Cheers,
Pix

Nice try, but not so fast. You proceed from presumption that ambient energy
is at low level (10° C analogy). And what made you think it is so.

There are so many streams of subtle energies passing through us in all directions,
nothing about them is "low grade", it's just that we are usually transparent to most
of them.

Take gravity, this one we feel strongly. It is literally an inward rush of energy from
space toward the center of the planet. Take a small piece of lead for example, this
piece of lead has no magnetic field that extends into space to "scoop" supposed
low grade energy, all it has is it's own volume and it ain't big, yet how long can
you keep it in your palm before your arm muscles tire. The density of this energy
is enormous and if instead of piece of lead you had a chunk of neutron star in
your hand you would know it well since it would pass through your hand as
easily as if it were not there, it's weight would  be on scale of mountains or
more, yet it's size is tiny, all it's weight can only come from the it's volume
in which it screens the gravitational inflow. And if you put one object above
the other does the bottom one feel less gravity, obviously not, so this
energy is (usually) unscreenable and limitless in it's density and potential.

So, with just a simple example of gravity we have shown energy density of these streams is beyond comprehension.

And there are many other streams similar to gravity, of non-herzian spectrum, we
usually don't feel at all. One of them is antigravity superimposed over gravity
flowing in opposite direction and at higher frequency, it's E density is even higher.

NOTHING about these streams is low level. They may only appear so to one who
does not resist them or resists them only in a small degree.

Analogy of a river may suffice better. Quote from Etidorhpa

"If a series of knife blades on pivot ends be set in a frame, and turned edgewise to a rapid current of water, the swiftly moving stream flows through this sieve of metallic edges about as easily as if there were no obstructions. Slowly turn the blades so as to present their oblique sides to the current, and an immediate pressure is apparent upon the frame that holds them; turn the blades so as to shut up the space, and they will be torn from their sockets, or the entire frame will be shattered into pieces."

Offline nix85

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Re: Reactive Current - Parallel RCL
« Reply #402 on: June 24, 2022, 06:38:32 PM »
Yep, pic also screams VIC and Floyd Sweet.     
My hypothesis: 
Scalar potential of V/m on a conductor/resistor/load, electrons are pumped through it because that's what a EMF scalar potential does, the partnered coils  through mutual inductance prevent this current that is pumped through the load to be part of the circuit that generates the potential, no magnetic feedback to primary, no Lenz back-emf, so no increase of input current. aka asymmetrical regauging of the potential and 'don't destroy the dipole'. 

Needs resonance to shake the electrons in the load because they're not being part of a closed current loop.  Open system. 
If an electret self-oscillated, could it drive a load???

Yes, definitely reminds of Sweet's device which is essentially a copy paste of
Daniel Cook's device patented in 1871.

Any time we got fields in confrontation or complete annihilation aka
neutralization of herzian waves, we give rise to scalar component.
This is the basic rule, call it bucking coils if you like or any other
name. This is nature's principle neutralize the secondary energies
and you will get subtler ones, like collision of two gamma rays
produces electrons and positrons...

How do we relate the electron flow with this scalar component
associated with the A field aka Vector Potential, this article gives
a nice perspective on it, depicting magnetic field as axis of a toroid
etheric "smoke ring" around an moving electron.

http://creatorguy.com/files/Ortho1.pdf

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Re: Reactive Current - Parallel RCL
« Reply #403 on: June 24, 2022, 06:52:44 PM »
you can amplify energy not only power, the key is in Steven Mark comments
of course you need:
1. Energy source beside power input
2. Sound scientific theory


it was described many times in varoius threads here just connect dots
energy amplification needs resonant condition but it's resonance with medium and resonance with steps required not just electrical resonance


just tap energy of thunderbolts

Indeed it is possible to amplify power and energy as already shown.

All kind of resonance are in-play, LC, ferro, acoustic.. or combination of.

It all comes down to RESISTANCE, that is, resisting the subtler energy forms and
slowing them down into electricity (be it hot or cold).

ATREE did it most elegantly with no electricity whatsoever, by two parallel paths of
different resistance, but no one has been able to replicate it sadly.

So we use resonance in many forms.

People cannot accept what they have not yet personally observed so we
get silly comments like tap the low grade ambient EM sources or thunderbolts..

Instead they should realize we are immersed in streams of infinite potential and
gravity we feel so strongly is one of them.

May i remind that Floyd Sweet's device lost all it's weight when fully loaded and
larger Steven Mark's TPU units lost part of the weight when in operation.

TPU weight loss was disclosed here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_fRKxz_UNo

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Re: Reactive Current - Parallel RCL
« Reply #404 on: June 24, 2022, 06:59:23 PM »
@Stivep
Thanks for explanation about Corums and tapping into Schumann resonance .


Another thing.

In Stepanov resonant transformer what we see is a large 3 phase inductance, a lot of capacitors and a DIODES .
It is still make me thinking what would be a reason for that diodes.
I assume they are on the output.
I am considering two possibilities.
1. It is a flyback setup.
2. If not flyback, what would be a reason to put half wave rectifier on the output of resonant circuit?
What is your opinion?


Regards,
Pix