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Re: Reactive Current - Parallel RCL
« Reply #255 on: September 06, 2021, 11:43:12 PM »
This thread started interesting but ended with garbage. It's sad. Reactive energy rise can be converted into real power when there is a source of additional energy.

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« Reply #256 on: September 07, 2021, 10:14:52 AM »
It is only sad how ironic is the garbage you wrote. Firstly, you totally missed the point and mixed apples and oranges.

I just pointed out that, unlike the common claim, in ZVS circuit we have example of POWER amplification in LC tank, not just voltage or current at the expense of the other, reactive power rises many times the input.

I said NOTHING about conversion of that power into real power, obviously, in ZVS and all conventional devices adding a load increases the real input.

In a conventional transformer which can be plugged into wall 24/7 max current flows through the primary, it is essentially a short circuit, but IV are almost 90° outta phase, no real work is done. Putting a load on the secondary brings IV in the primary into phase and now real work is done.

In ZVS in which input is DC load makes current draw to increase.

There is much that could be said about reactive power and ambient energy but no need to go into that, much has been said on this and other forums already.

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Re: Reactive Current - Parallel RCL
« Reply #257 on: September 14, 2021, 05:30:10 PM »
Little correction, when transformer is plugged into the wall with no load not max current flows in the primary but exciting current which is current needed to establish the flux in the core + current to compensate for eddy and hysteresis core losses. This current is reactive power. Load on the secondary (in wrongly made underunity transformers) causes the primary current to increase and IV phase shift to decrease.

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Re: Reactive Current - Parallel RCL
« Reply #258 on: September 14, 2021, 08:32:05 PM »
"When resonance occurs in a parallel RLC circuit, a local current circulates between the inductor and the capacitor. This current can be very high, while the circuit current as seen from the source can be low. This phenomenon is used in induction heaters (in the industry for heating metals when necessary, e.g., heating bearings for mounting or dismounting) and in induction cookers (for domestic use).[/size]In such an application a high current is flowing through an inductor, whereas the current provided by the power line is small. This means that the rating of the wires and breakers are much smaller than the current in the inductor."
https://electricalacademia.com/basic-electrical/resonance-series-parallel-rlc-circuit/

Is there any truth in the above statement? Or do every induction heater have a transformer? high voltage/low current primary low voltage/high current secondary? If you use a transformer instead of an inductor can you tap the current from the secondary without increasing the output power from the frequency generator?
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Re: Reactive Current - Parallel RCL
« Reply #259 on: September 14, 2021, 09:44:28 PM »
My tests proved you can have kind of "overunity" by matching the inductance of primary side of transformer with resonant capacitor, but with ordinary transformer it is only apparent "overunity" - you lower this reactive idle current related to iron core hysteresis looses.

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Re: Reactive Current - Parallel RCL
« Reply #260 on: September 15, 2021, 07:16:57 PM »
You said "Reactive energy rise can be converted into real power when there is a source of additional energy." which is wrong cause there are many who used reactive power to do real work. Now you say it is possible but not with ordinary transformer. Well, according to some who did it you do NOT need a special transformer.

Some claim REAL overunity in ordinary transformer just by making primary and secondary resonant (with caps) and then putting the output through another same but non-resonant (no caps) transformer.

There is also Flynn method using magnets to divert lenz and many variations of.

Then there is ferroresonance which is usually a loss, has been a big word in OU community for 30+ years and many had apparently moderate to great success with it.

Remember Don Smith's small transformer which allegedly output about 10kW with 12W input for hours during Tesla tech lecture in 1996. Notice NST is connected to a winding which goes around whole transformer and output is taken from two windings which appear to be normal wound. He clearly says he is using ferroresonance in earlier lecture.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHhfNjPk7o4

Then we have this example of ferroresonant transformer outputting 100+ Watt from ~10W input Stivep shared. Inventor is using two frequencies, i think 50 and 150KHz.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbeseiPPCeM

There is also this guy who pumps 2.34kW of reactive power in a big transformer with 105W real input. This should NOT happen according to convention. There is no ZVS here, only passive components, current amplification should produce voltage decrease and vice versa. Yet here we have 130V at 18A.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVgp-gOBqsg

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Re: Reactive Current - Parallel RCL
« Reply #261 on: September 15, 2021, 08:03:49 PM »
The biggest question remains what is with conventional claim that RLC tank cannot amplify power, only voltage or current at the expense of the other, yet i see more and more evidence to the contrary.

Think about it, let's take parallel RLC, let's say Q is 30 and we get x30 current amplification in the tank. According to mainstream voltage in the tank is supposed to go down to 1/30. Hm. How. Half of the time all the energy is in form of electric field in the cap, yet voltage is supposed to be 1/30. Makes zero sense. We got that big x30 current stored in the form of a magnetic field and yet when all this energy is poured into the cap it's voltage is superlow. Remember energy in the cap is CV²/2 and energy stored in an inductor LI²/2. If current is big and voltage low how in the world are they supposed to be equal. So this does not add up. Another thing, parallel RLC at resonance has great impedance, theoretically infinite, HOW could it provide resistance to the driving circuit if it's VOLTAGE was not at least equal to it. Obviously if it was any less, it would not be as an open circuit, yet it is, cause parallel RLC is a band stop filter.

I am waiting for my new multimeter and pocket oscilloscope to arrive. This has to be checked.

 

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« Reply #262 on: September 20, 2021, 02:25:08 PM »
I have on previous pages and other threads here already shared that there is a secret very advanced space program. No need to repeat that they been on the Moon at least since late 50s with man made saucers etc. Here is another report along the lines.

In December, 1999 (on a Monday - actual date not known),
Engineer Jeremy Clark Packer working with several coworkers
on an oil rig about 30 miles offshore in the Gulf of Mexico near
Corpus Christi, Texas, saw at about 8 p.m. a UFO (or USO)
emerge from the sea. It was calm with no clouds. The UFO
was sighted for about 30 minutes during which time a rumbling
sound was heard and their watches stopped working!There
were no alerts to military maneuvers but out to the west they
saw 25-30 helicopters on maneuvers. Packer describes what
happened next. “All of the helicopters stopped in mid-air, and
something large - very large - surfaced beneath them. “It was a
huge metal object, about the size of our platform! It just came
straight into the air! It hovered over the helicopters for about
two minutes - enough for us to use the telescopes to check it
out!
“It was as large as about two football fields, concave
underneath, with four large bulbous domes in the concave part
of the bottom of it.
“It turned on its side and we saw that it looked like a huge
flying cigar which was tapered at both ends. On the top of the
thing was another concave indent that had lights circling within
in - every color you could possibly imagine! It was beautiful!
We heard the soft rumbling all throughout the sighting.
“Then something amazing happened as we stood there in
disbelief. Like someone turning off a light switch, it was gone.
One second we were all looking through binoculars, telescopes
and through just our eyes. ... It was close enough you didn’t
need the devices! Then it was gone...
“The helicopters headed our way and passed us overhead,
again never making a sound. We could see that they had
absolutely no markings. Familiar with the stuff the military
does around here, we knew they weren’t military craft. Some
looked like they were stainless steel, almost invisible; some
were jet black.” (NEXUS NEW TIMES, Vol. 5, No. 4,
June/July, 1998, “The Twilight Zone: Huge UFO Emerges
From Sea Near Oil Rig,” pp 53-54. Emphasis in the original).
All 250 members of the dayshift crew witnessed this. They
noticed afterwards, their watches were all 30 minutes later than
the actual time when they returned to the mainland. One other
curious and astounding fact: The bore that is used on the oil rig
to drill holes in the ocean floor is 140.65 feet thick, solid steel.
It was bent into a V shape!

More in the book THE APOCALYPSE UNFOLDS by Diamond Star
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Re: Reactive Current - Parallel RCL
« Reply #263 on: September 30, 2021, 01:38:04 AM »
Hi nix85,

"When resonance occurs in a parallel RLC circuit, a local current circulates between the inductor and the capacitor. This current can be very high, while the circuit current as seen from the source can be low."

Now I have made the first schematic of Hermes RLC-amplifier: It has a squarewave adjustable frequency generator and a constant current transistor. The transistor will be on when 4 is high and off when 4 is low. The 2k2 resistor is a current limiting resistor. The 100k potentiometer adjust the frequency. C Hertz capacitor alternativly charge and disharge. A big capacitor lower the frequency, while a small capacitor increase the frequency.

The transistor can be any small signal transistor with a safe output power of 625 milliwatt. The 22 ohm is a current limiting resistor limiting the transistor collector current to 0.75 Volt/22 ohm = 34 milliampere. The potentiometer that is connected between the 22 ohm resistor and the transistors emitter can be of any value. The higher value the less collector current. The transistor maximum output power is 9 Volts*34 milliampere = 300 milliwatt. The primary [/size]output between the collector and +9 volt source can be short circuit without burning the transistor. Also the secondary of the transformer can be short circuit without burning the transistor.

I see that [/size]Hermes RLC-amplifier can be used for three things. First find out if there is any larger current circulating between the capacitor and transformer in the RLC circuit. Second a frequency generator for free energy studies and third as a tester for suspected malfunctioning transformer.

[/size]Best Wishes, Hermes[/size]
[/size]http://gratisenergi.se/RLC-amplifier.jpg[/size][/size]

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Re: Reactive Current - Parallel RCL
« Reply #264 on: October 01, 2021, 03:23:33 PM »
@Hermes

I seen you asked the same question about ZVS induction heaters on energetic forum. No one replied you for a reason, that source you quoted is false. Loading the circuit dampens the resonance and causes input to increase proportionally.

As for your schematic, i am not sure what you imagine to achieve. RLC amplifiers are an old and common thing, for example below is shown parallel RLC as part of intermediate frequency radio amplifier, RLC increases the gain at the resonant frequency because gain of a common emitter stage is proportional to RL/RE.

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« Reply #265 on: October 10, 2021, 03:02:23 PM »
Most people still take ancient advanced tech as myths and fantasies. Blind ignorance. Rest assured, even in more recent times 1000-5000 years ago, and especially so in times before that, kings of many nations were in possession of "aerial cars" which often worked on principle of gravity control and sometimes used more 'conventional' jets.

Here i quote from translations of babylonian Sifr'ala and Hakaltha by Yonah N. Ibn A’haron, Jewish six times doctor of mid-eastern lingua, having all possible credit and more to be THE authority on such translations.

Quote from the article https://atlantisquestscience.wordpress.com/myth/ancient-aeronautica/chaldean-aircraft/

In introducing his discoveries, he explained that the 5,000 year old Sifr’ala contained instructions on how to build and pilot an aircraft (Ibn A’haron, 1958)—a sort of Chaldean Viman Vidya it seems! In so doing, the ancient document makes use of a number of technical terms, such as: calibration, crystal indicator, copper coils, graphite rods, vibrating spheres, stable angles, etc. In addition, aeronautical jargon is used, such as: equilibrium, gliding capacity, stability, and wind resistance.

In this ancient text the vehicle is referred to as a marvid. Three spheres were mounted on the underside of the craft [a temple bas relief shows three spheres topside], and copper wire was wound around the main sphere forming an inductive coil. This was attached to the steering mechanism in such a way that the effective number of turns could be varied thereby—also the degree of contact made by the graphite rods (electrical resistors) with the two spheres at the rear of the craft. Thus by the use of one steering control, the craft could allegedly be guided in any direction desired by the pilot.

...

“The privilege of operating a flying machine is great. The knowledge of flight is among the most ancient of our inheritances: A gift from ‘those from upon high’. We received it from them as a means of saving many lives.” (Translated by Ibn A’haron, 1958)


Also from THE EPIC OF ISHTAR AND IZDUBAR we find quotes such as

At early dawn the shining ranks are massed,
And Erech echoes with the trumpet’s blast;
The chosen men of Erech are in line,
And Ishtar in her car above doth shine.

The sixty gods on chargers of the skies,
And Ishtar’s chariot before them flies.

Now roars the thunder of great Akkad’s cars,
Their brazen chariots as blazing stars,
Through Nuk-khu’s [darkness] depth with
streams of blazing fire
Thus fall upon the foe with vengeful ire.
The smoking earth shakes underneath their wheels,
And from each cloud their thunder loudly peals.

The Akkad on their foes have fiercely hurled
Their solid ranks with Nin-rad’s flag unfurled.
The charging lines meet with a fearful sound,
As tempests’ waves from rocks in rage rebound;
The foe thus meet the men of Izdubar,
While o’er the field fly the fierce gods of war.

The foe beheld the gods in wrath above
As Akkad’s charging lines toward them move,
The gods now rushing from the gleaming sky,
With blazing weapons carry victory;


Notice the similarty to indian war epics describing Vimanas, aerials chariots of the kings and "gods" often possessing incredible weapons. Some of them are said to be able to fly at speed of sound and some at speed of thought and able to reach other planets and even other planes of existence. Even aerial routes are given, not only for this plane but for all 7 planes surrounding Earth.

Best known sources that mention Vimanas are Mahābhārata and Rāmāyaṇa but Vimanas are not described only in these war epics, there are like 30 ancient indian texts which talk about these aerials cars and how to build them.

Vimanas in Ramayana

Pushpaka Vimana is described similar to a huge Jumbo Jet in Sundara Kanda and Yuddha Kanda.

Vibhishana says that after lunch Rama can reach Ayodhya before sunset if he travels in Pushpaka Vimana.

He says with Pushpaka Vimana, about 2200 KM can be travelled in less than 5 hours.
Which means it can travel at 440 KMPH !!
It Carried Rama, Sita, Lakshmana along with entire Vanara army. So it must be of great dimension.


https://www.booksfact.com/technology/ancient-technology/different-vimanas-ramayana.html

Mahavira of Bhavabhuti (A Jain text of the eighth century culled from
older texts and traditions) describes aerial chariots, known as the Pushpakas
that conveyed many people to the capital of Ayodhya.

“The sky was full of stupendous flying-machines, dark as night, but picked out by lights with a yellowish glare."

In ancient vedic text Sabha-Paryana besides Vimanas are described "flying cities". They shone like silver, and they contained much food, water, a variety of drinks and all other necessities of life, and various defensive weapons of great destructive power. They could accommodate up to a thousand people. There are also similar descriptions of "flying cities" in the Mahabharata that could move and ascend high into the sky on their own and descend to the ground. On them was a huge door through which smaller aircraft (vimana) could fly in and out.

There is an alleged description of a battle of Atlantis and India in Ramayana that extended to the surface of the Moon.

Dr. Pinotti, said another text, 'Samarangana Sutradhara' had 230 stanzas devoted to the principles of building Vimanas and their use in peace and war.

“Having spoken thus, Maharaja Nirga made a complete circle around Lord Krishna and touched his crown to the Lord’s feet. Granted permission to depart, King Nirga then boarded a wonderful celestial car as all the people looked on.” (Bhagavata Purana)

“While Dhruva Maharaja was passing through space, he saw, in succession, all the planets of the solar system, and on the path he saw all the demigods in their vimanas showering flowers upon him like rain.” (Bhagavata Purana)

“He traveled in that way through the various planets, as the air passes freely in every direction. Coursing through the air in that grand and splendid vimana, which could fly at will, he surpassed even the Devas.” (Bhagavata Purana)

“Then the highly intelligent Asura Maya built the cities . . . There were many palaces with gems. Aerial cars shining like the sun, set with Padmaraga stones, moving in all directions and looking like moonbeams, illuminated the cities.” (Siva Purana)

“When morning dawned, Rama, taking the Celestial Car Puspaka had sent to him by Vivpishand, stood ready to depart. Self-propelled was that car. It was large and finely painted. It had two stories and many chambers with windows, and was draped with flags and banners. It gave forth a melodious sound as it coursed along its airy way.” (Ramayana)

“The Puspaka Car, that resembles the sun and belongs to my brother, was brought by the powerful Ravan; that aerial and excellent car, going everywhere at will, is ready for thee. That car, resembling a bright cloud in the sky, is in the city of Lanka.” (Ramayana)

“Beholding the car coming by force of will Rama attained to an excess of astonishment. And the king got in, and the excellent car, at the command of Raghira, rose up into the higher atmosphere. And in that car, coursing at will, Rama greatly delighted.” (Ramayana)

“When the Daityas were being slaughtered they again took to their vimana and, employing the Danava science, flew up into the sky . . . I (Arjuna) assaulted their vimana . . . Wounded by the flight of deadly-accurate iron missiles, the Asura vimana fell broken to the earth . . . Matali swiftly descended earthward, as in a steep dive, on our divinely effulgent car.” (Mahabharata)

“Karna took up that fierce weapon, which resembled the tongue of the Destroyer or the Sister of Death. That terrible and effulgent dart, Naikartana, was hurled at the Rakshasa. Beholding that excellent and blazing weapon . . . the Rakshasa began to fly away in fear . . . Destroying that blazing illusion of Ghatotkacha and piercing right through his breast that resplendent dart soared aloft in the night . . . Ghatotkacha, then uttering diverse roars, fell, deprived of life by the dart of Sakra.” (Mahabharata)

“The vimana had all necessary equipment. It could not be conquered by the gods or demons. And it radiated light and reverberated with a deep rumbling sound. Its beauty captivated the minds of all who beheld it. Visvakarma, the lord of its design and construction, had created it by the power of his austerities, and its outline, like that of the sun, could not be easily delineated.
(Mahabharata)

“And he also gave [unto Arjuna] a car furnished with celestial weapons whose banner bore a large ape . . . And its splendour, like that of the Sun, was so great that no one could gaze at it. It was the very car riding upon which the lord Soma had vanquished the Danavas. Resplendent with beauty, it looked like an evening cloud reflecting the effulgence of the setting Sun.”
(Mahabharata)

“Bhima flew along in his car, resplendent as the sun and loud as thunder . . . The flying chariot shone like a flame in the night sky of summer . . . it swept by like a comet . . . It was if two suns were shining. Then the chariot rose up and all the heavens brightened.” (Mahabharata)

“And on this sunlike, divine, wonderful chariot the wise disciple of Kuru flew joyously upward. When becoming invisible to the mortals who walk the earth, he saw wondrous airborne chariots by the thousands.” (Mahabharata)

“And the celebrated Arjuna, having passed through successive regions of the heavens, at last beheld the city of Indra. And there he beheld celestial cars by thousands stationed in their respective places [an airport?] and capable of going everywhere at will, and he saw tens of thousands of such cars moving in every direction.” (Mahabharata)

“And having vanquished his foe, Krishna furnished with weapons and unwounded and accompanied by the kings, came out of Girivraja riding on that celestial car . . . upon that car Krishna now came out of the hill-fort. Possessed of the splendour of heated gold, and decked with rows of jingling bells . . . always slaughtering the foe against whom it was driven, it was the very car riding upon which Indra had slain ninety-nine Asuras of old.”
(Mahabharata)

“And thereupon that best of cars became still more dazzling with its splendour and was incapable of being looked at by created beings, as the midday sun surrounded by a thousand rays . . . And Achyuta, that tiger among men, riding with the two sons of Pandu upon that celestial car . . .coming out of Girivraja, stopped (for some time) on a level plain outside of town.” (Mahabharata)

“We beheld in the sky what appeared to us to be a mass of scarlet cloud resembling the fierce flames of a blazing fire. From that mass many blazing missiles flashed, and tremendous roars, like the noise of a thousand drums beaten at once. And from it fell many weapons winged with gold and thousands of thunderbolts, with loud explosions, and many hundreds of fiery wheels. Loud became the uproar of falling horses, slain by these missiles, and of mighty elephants struck by the explosions . . . Those terrible Rakshasas had the shape of large mounds stationed in the sky.” (Mahabharata)

“Vimanas, decked and equipped according to rule, looked like heavenly structures in the sky . . .borne away they looked like highly beautiful flights of birds. (Mahabharata)

“Gifted with great energy the Rakshasa once more came down to Earth in his golden vimana . . .when it had landed it looked like a beautifully shaped mound of antimony on the surface of the ground.” (Ghatotrachabadma)

“The splendid chariot, made of silver and coated with tiger-skin, and bright like the fire itself, making a noise like the roaring of the clouds; defying all obstacles, adorned with jewels and gold, dazzling to the eyesight and bright . . . went speedily on, making space resound like unto the muttering cloud in the sky. He issued out of his abode like the beautiful moon passing through a huge cloud.” (Ayodhya Kandam, XVI, pp. 235-236)

“Manufacturing details of these machines are withheld for the sake of secrecy, not out of ignorance.” (Samarangana Sutradhara)

"The airplane occupied by Salva was very mysterious. It was so extraordinary that
sometimes many airplanes would appear to be in the sky, and sometimes there were
apparently none. Sometimes the plane was visible and sometimes not visible, and the
warriors of the Yadu dynasty were puzzled about the whereabouts of the peculiar
airplane. Sometimes they would see the airplane on the ground, sometimes flying in the
sky, sometimes resting on the peak of a hill and sometimes floating on the water. The
wonderful airplane flew in the sky like a whirling firebrand - it was not steady even for a
moment." [ Bhaktivedanta, Swami Prabhupada, Krsna ]

"Cuka, flying on board a high-powered vimana, hurled on to the triple city a single projectile charged with all the power of the universe. An incandescent column of smoke and flame, as bright as ten thousand suns, rose in all the splendor... When the vimana returned to Earth, it looked like a splendid block of antimony resting on the ground."
[ Mausola Purva ]

"O King, this beautifully decorated airplane had been manufactured by the demon Maya and was equipped with weapons for all types of combat. It was inconceivable and indescribable. Indeed, it was sometimes visible and sometimes not. Seated in this airplane under a beautiful protective umbrella and being fanned by the best of camaras, Maharaja Bai, surrounded by his captains and commanders, appeared just like the moon rising in the evening, illuminating all directions."
[ Swami Prabhupada Bhaktivedanta, Srimad Bhagavatam ]

The writer and Sanskrit scholar Subramanyam Iyer has spent many years of his life deciphering old collections of palm leaves found in the villages of his native Karnataka in southern India. One of the palm leaf manuscripts they intend to decipher is the Amsu Bodhini, which, according to an anonymous text of 1931, contains information about the planets; the different kinds of light, heat, color, and electromagnetic fields; the methods used to construct machines capable of attracting solar rays and, in turn, of analyzing and separating their energy components; the possibility of conversing with people in remote places and sending messages by cable; and the manufacture of machines to transport people to other planets!


Outside Babylon and India we find these references.

"Harshacharita ("Deeds of Harsha"), 7th century biography of Indian emperor Harsha, speaks of a flying machine made by a Greek who had been taken prisoner. Laufer notes that the term for the aerial machine in this tale is 'a mechanical vehicle (yantray_na) which travels on the surface of the air'."

The following selections are from Dr. Benjamin B. Olshin, "Mechanical Mythology: Private Descriptions of Flying Machines as Found in Early Chinese, Korean, Indian, and Other Texts",

"The Chi Kung people were good at making mechanical devices for killing [all kinds of] birds. They could also make aerial carriages which, with a fair wind, traveled great distances. In the time of the emperor Thang [mid-second millennium B.C.], a westerly wind carried such a car as far as Yüchow, whereupon Thang had the car taken to pieces, not wishing his own people to see it. Ten years later there came an easterly wind (of sufficient strength), and then the car was reassembled and the visitors were sent back to their own country, which lies 40,000 li beyond the Jade Gate."
[ Chang Hua, "Po Wu Chih" ('Record of Investigation of Things') in the Po Wu Chih ]

"Some use the inner part of the jujube [=date] tree to make a flying vehicle, using ox leather straps fastened to encircling blades, so as to propel this machine. Some others have the idea of making five snakes, six dragons, and three oxen [these are kites in the shape of these animals] encounter the 'hard wind', and so ride it (i.e., the vehicle), rising up 40 li. [That region] is called the Tai Qing ('Area of Upper Air'). In the Tai Qing region, the air is very hard, and can lift people. The Master says that a yuan [this word can mean 'kite' or 'hawk'] flying, spiraling higher and higher, only needs to straighten out its two wings and not flap them any more to move forward, because it is riding on the hard wind. The dragons when they first rise up, step on the clouds, going to 40 li [altitude], then fly by themselves. This account comes from the [Taoist] adepts, and is recounted, being handed down to ordinary people, yet the common people are not really able to understand it."
[ Ko Hung (A.D. 283-343), Pao Pu Tzu ]


Etc...

Who in their right mind can read all these quotes realizing they are but a tiny portion of similar quotes and dismiss them as fantasies.

I have intentionally omitted the Vimanika Shastra because it was allegedly obtained by channeling, something most people (foolishly) dismiss. In the case you don't here it is.

http://upload.vedpuran.net/Uploads/121113the_vimanika_shastra.pdf

Don't get me wrong, 99,9999% of channeling especially modern youtube ones are complete and utter bs, but some especially older ones are not and contain very valuable info.

Speech by Capt. Bodas at Indian Science Congress 2015
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xt5W-VCgNJ0&list=PL5dagX987n_X-ZeSDQXZ7TfDHECo1Xnoi&index=1&ab_channel=VimanVidya

Vimana animation

https://youtu.be/3p9zlwHBeqU?t=279
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Re: Reactive Current - Parallel RCL
« Reply #265 on: October 10, 2021, 03:02:23 PM »
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Re: Reactive Current - Parallel RCL
« Reply #266 on: October 10, 2021, 09:19:43 PM »
Just so you know certain groups ALWAYS had the secret of degravitation on this planet, throughout history, even the most savage and depraved ages, safe in remote retreats certain 'brotherhoods' carefully watched over the secret of the ages. Yet no secret can be held and degravitation has been re-discovered countless times since the advent of power electronics in mid 19th century onward and this is just one of many such examples.

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« Reply #267 on: October 11, 2021, 01:51:45 PM »
Few more quotes

"O disciple, a student in the science of government, sail in
oceans in steamers, fly in the air in airplanes, know God the creator through the
 Vedas, control thy breath through yoga, through astronomy know the functions
 of day and night, know all the Vedas, Rig, Yajur, Sama and Atharva, by means
 of their constituent parts."

"Through astronomy, geography, and geology, go thou to all the different
countries of the world under the sun. Mayest thou attain through good
preaching to statesmanship and artisanship, through medical science obtain
knowledge of all medicinal plants, through hydrostatics learn the different
uses of water, through electricity understand the working of ever lustrous
lightening. Carry out my instructions willingly." (Yajur-veda 6.21).

"O royal skilled engineer, construct sea-boats, propelled on water by our experts,
and airplanes, moving and flying upward, after the clouds that reside in the midregion,
that fly as the boats move on the sea, that fly high over and below the
watery clouds. Be thou, thereby, prosperous in this world created by the
Omnipresent God, and flier in both air and lightning." (Yajur-veda 10.19).

"The atomic energy fissions the ninety-nine elements, covering its path by
the bombardments of neutrons without let or hindrance. Desirous of
stalking the head, ie. The chief part of the swift power, hidden in the mass
of molecular adjustments of the elements, this atomic energy approaches it
in the very act of fissioning it by the above-noted bombardment. Herein,
verily the scientists know the similar hidden striking force of the rays of the
sun working in the orbit of the moon." (Atharva-veda 20.41.1-3).

Kathasaritsagara, 11th-century collection of Indian legends, refers to highly
talented woodworkers called Rajyadhara and Pranadhara. The former was so
 skilled in mechanical contrivances that he could make ocean crossing chariots.
 And the latter manufactured a flying chariot to carry a thousand passengers in
 the air. These chariots were stated to be as fast as thought itself.

The Rig Veda, the oldest document of the human race includes references to the following modes of transportation:

Jalayan - a vehicle designed to operate in air and water. (Rig Veda 6.58.3)
Kaara - a vehicle that operates on ground and in water. (Rig Veda 9.14.1)
Tritala - a vehicle consisting of three stories. (Rig Veda 3.14.1)
Trichakra Ratha - a three-wheeled vehicle designed to operate in the air. (Rig Veda 4.36.1)
Vaayu Ratha - a gas or wind-powered chariot. (Rig Veda 5.41.6)
Vidyut Ratha - a vehicle that operates on power. (Rig Veda 3.14.1).

The Arthasastra of Kautilya (c. 3rd century B.C.) mentions amongst various tradesmen and technocrats the Saubhikas as ' pilots conducting vehicles in the sky'. Saubha was the name of the aerial flying city of King Harishchandra and the form 'Saubika' means 'one who flies or knows the art of flying an aerial city.' Kautilya uses another significant word 'Akasa Yodhinah', which has been translated as 'persons who are trained to fight from the sky.' The existence of aerial chariots, in whatever form it might be, was so well-known that it found a place among the royal edicts of the Emperor Asoka which were executed during his reign from 256 B.C. - 237 B. C.

"Now Vata’s chariot’s greatness! Breaking goes it, And Thunderous is its noise, To heaven it touches, Makes light lurid [a red fiery glare], and whirls dust upon the earth."
(Rig-Veda - Vata is the Aryan god of wind)


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Re: Reactive Current - Parallel RCL
« Reply #268 on: October 11, 2021, 11:58:46 PM »
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Just so you know certain groups ALWAYS had the secret of degravitation on this planet, throughout history, even the most savage and depraved ages, safe in remote retreats certain 'brotherhoods' carefully watched over the secret of the ages. Yet no secret can be held and degravitation has been re-discovered countless times since the advent of power electronics in mid 19th century onward and this is just one of many such examples.

I would agree, and around 1859 Daniel McFarland Cook demonstrated rotary then motionless free energy devices to many people. He also claimed to have discovered the secret to antigravity. Here is an excellent video https://vimeo.com/31399217

https://www.richlandsource.com/area_history/mansfields-d-m-cook-and-his-enduring-energy-idea/article_fbac1344-779e-11e3-8a2f-10604b9f7e7e.html

The video is really good, here we have a man in 1859 who not only invented the light bulb years before Edison but also free energy and antigravity. Like most FE inventors of the time we can see his time line of progress...
1)He was researching telluric currents and atmospheric anomalies.
2)From this research he invented FE motor-generators.
3)After inventing FE motor-generators he learned how to build motionless FE generators.
4)The research from motionless FE generators eventually led to the discovery of anti-gravity phenomena.

It's mind boggling that so many people from as early as the mid 1800's discovered what still eludes us today. With all our technology, supposed intelligence and theory we still cannot do what a man from 1859 did with basic hand tools in a wooden shed.

There is another common thread between all these FE inventors of the past. Above all else they were curious about nature and how it works. Why the stuff we see all around us acts like it does. No global communications or internet, hell they would be hard pressed to even find a book let alone one that explained basic electrical theory. All these great men did hands on experiments with basic tools learning as they went along to find the truth of the matter.

I find Daniel McFarland Cook's story truly inspirational in this respect...


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Re: Reactive Current - Parallel RCL
« Reply #269 on: October 12, 2021, 01:36:05 AM »
I am fully aware of Cook's incredible work, that he invented the light bulb, solid state overunity and allegedly degravitation too, sadly he never demonstrated it and all that is left is his 'antigravity' chicken hoop. He spent 30+ years doing experiments with magnetism, i read through his papers. Floyd Sweet's circuit is basically a copy paste of Cook's patent.

Yea, people back in the day were naturalists, altho even back then already existed the false ideology which forbade overunity, gravity control and anything alike.

 

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