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Title: O.U. Magnet force shielding 2 and so on
Post by: Floor on May 30, 2021, 08:37:51 PM
These get better and better...

The device can of course be oriented so that the
shield magnet's motion is at 90 degrees to gravity.
Title: Re: O.U. Magnet force shielding 2 and so on
Post by: Floor on May 30, 2021, 09:17:25 PM
 3  minute video

              @
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x81mi0v

  floor
Title: Re: O.U. Magnet force shielding 2 and so on
Post by: Floor on May 30, 2021, 09:52:39 PM
We will look into and measure  CITFTA's  interpretations.

Also build and test / measure the Lumen and / or
Telecom innovation (immediately below)and others.

  floor
Title: Re: O.U. Magnet force shielding 2 and so on
Post by: Floor on June 02, 2021, 12:12:08 AM
This variation of MagnetForceShield 2, has a good output
magnet displacement length

                but also

an exceptional capacity / distance of attracting the output
magnet back to start position, once  the shield magnet has
been restored !

But
Shield insertion and removal require a lot of work input and I don't know /
have not measured the total in to out ratios.
Title: Re: O.U. Magnet force shielding 2 and so on
Post by: Floor on June 02, 2021, 03:06:03 PM
Output strokes of any length can be arrived at, for any of these
designs.
Title: Re: O.U. Magnet force shielding 2 and so on
Post by: Floor on June 02, 2021, 03:21:24 PM
I need to build a new (left side) deck / extension for the test bench,
in order to install a second sliding unit at 90 degrees to the first sliding
unit. This is something I have put off for as long as I can.

I have some thing improvised at present, but it is inadequate.

I will update with that progress.

Also a short video of the magnetic force shield 2 design.
                      Later today ?
  best wishes
       floor

   best wishes floor
Title: Re: O.U. Magnet force shielding 2 and so on
Post by: Floor on June 03, 2021, 12:01:11 AM
                      magnet shield 2
                           short video

                         @
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x81pgdx

    floor

Title: Re: O.U. Magnet force shielding 2 and so on
Post by: Floor on June 03, 2021, 03:00:44 AM

An after thought.....

This link to just a little before (in this topic), illustrates a right angle
translation of a force vector.

I don't know its efficiency.

But it might be useful if it can be applied to a reaction-less drive ?
                        edit .... make that
But it might be useful if it can be applied to a reaction machine ?

https://overunity.com/18876/o-u-magnet-force-shielding-2-and-so-on/msg558166/#msg558166

           floor
Title: Re: O.U. Magnet force shielding 2 and so on
Post by: Floor on June 04, 2021, 03:39:06 AM
Thanks Lanka.

I'm not done with the permanent magnets yet.

Flynn's  stuff is the direction I want to move in next / but in the future.

Then / eventually to arrive at, no need for permanent magnet use at all.

    regards
         floor

 
Title: Re: O.U. Magnet force shielding 2 and so on
Post by: lancaIV on June 04, 2021, 11:44:57 AM
Reply #3 A,B outer magnets wipping-possibility           magnetic force effect under 90°,60°,30° vertical/horizontal position ( spring ?)


the Lumen magnetic forced track (from green shield view above and below comparation : 100% symmetry )


the "asymmetry" = outer input ! transformation efficiency to output ? <100% (!?)


the "fine tuning single magnets" : steel plate ?


the "fine tuning magnets (one or both) : coil(circuit) wrapped ?
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=7&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19931019&CC=US&NR=5254925A&KC=A (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=7&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19931019&CC=US&NR=5254925A&KC=A)


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19820817&CC=US&NR=4345174A&KC=A (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19820817&CC=US&NR=4345174A&KC=A)
instead D-battery capacitor ?


The operation of the inventive engine 10 will now be described. It is first to be noted that the pull of an electromagnet varies as a function of the area of the holding surface muliplied by the square of the flux density divided by a constant. Also, that the flux density increases as the distance to the holding surface decreases. Hence, changes in the flux density is the greatest contributor to the pulling force of an electromagnet. Experiments conducted by the inventor have shown that an electromagnet powered by two "D" cell batteries can produce a holding force of 500 pounds and that the magnetic attraction force varies with the distance between the surface of the electromagnet and the item to be lifted.


It was found, that at a distance of one-eighth of an inch, the force is approximately 7.8 pounds; at a distance of approximately one-twelfth of an inch the force is 31 pounds; at a distance of approximately one/twenty-fourth of an inch the force is 125 pounds; and, as stated, at contact, the force is 500 pounds. Thus, a usable force begins when the distance is one-eighth of an inch and increases rapidly thereafter.


electret (material):
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elektretmikrofon (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elektretmikrofon)


http://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=DE&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=A1&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=3628988&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.2&SRCLANG=de&TRGLANG=en (http://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=DE&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=A1&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=3628988&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.2&SRCLANG=de&TRGLANG=en)


Future Standart normation




Sincere


OCWL
Title: Re: O.U. Magnet force shielding 2 and so on
Post by: Floor on June 04, 2021, 03:28:30 PM

the Lumen magnetic forced track (from green shield view above and below comparation : 100% symmetry )

symmetry yes / force is balanced between the output magnets, WHEN THE SHIELD ARRAY IS
IN PLACE (BETWEEN).

note... Green colored structures / materials are not magnetic.


the "fine tuning single magnets" : steel plate ?


Symmetry / force balancing, in order to remove and / or install the shield array
is difficult to arrive at. 

A magnet attracting  to the shield array at a given near distance, is more effective than
a magnet repelling to the shield array at that same given near distance
                 (in the direction the shield insertion and / or removal )
                             (into the page and out from the page).

                                                         therefore
More magnets are required on the repelling to the shield array, sides of the shield,  in order
to arrive at a balance / neutralization of forces IN REGARD TO INSERTION AND / OR REMOVAL
OF THE SHIELD ARRAY.

The "fine tuning" magnets are as an aid in arriving at a more precise balance in THAT regard.
... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
That design
@
https://web.archive.org/web/20040204061206/http://www.magnet.au.com/magnet-force-calc.html

increases force at the cost of distance of field extension, trades force for distance.
No gain in kinetic energy.
... ... ... ... ... ... ...
The other links ......
I'm not ready to move into / discuss the Flynn / other  methods at this time / in this topic.

  regards / thanks
            floor

Title: Re: O.U. Magnet force shielding 2 and so on
Post by: lancaIV on June 04, 2021, 04:08:48 PM
I am moderated !
Title: Re: O.U. Magnet force shielding 2 and so on
Post by: Floor on June 04, 2021, 05:28:55 PM
I do not know why ,but I feel to see this device like a "mechanical flip-flop" !


Related the attraction/repulsion force difference : http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/2magpup.htm (http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/2magpup.htm)

but  the   tangential repulsive force measured is 574 g.

        the  axial repulsive force measured is 1254 g

                      Did You attractive force and repulsive force difference measurements ?

1. As you know, force multiplied  by displacement = kinetic energy.
                          Not force alone.

2. Behaviors / that which is possible in attracting modes
           and
behaviors / that which is possible in repelling modes are very different.

3. There are perhaps a dozen minor variations possible and worth exploring
in EACH of these designs.  Multiply that times 6 designs and you have
                                                      60 variations (at least).
                  Too many to discuss and also build / measure and /or maintain
                                                      continuity to the topic.
4. Post / discuss these other, although relevant and related designs (PEMANANT MAGNET ONLY)
                                        in the
                   https://overunity.com/18501/the-magnet-fantasic/

topic, and we will build the best archive / body of discussions of  "the magnet fantastic"
on the entire internet ?  Or make a chaotic discontinuous mess ?

THE CHOICE IS OURS.
     best wishes
           floor

Title: Re: O.U. Magnet force shielding 2 and so on
Post by: Floor on June 08, 2021, 11:51:42 PM
As LankaIV has recently reminded / pointed out, WHEN EVER these magnet interactions
DO NOT add up as Input = output,  we have something worth looking into.

It is possible that work done by the shield element and which is caused by magnetic
forces, will be of a greater magnitude of work than the combination of the other interactions.

What is not desirable, is that they be of the same magnitude of work / energy.

Only measurements and time can  tell.

      floor
Title: Re: O.U. Magnet force shielding 2 and so on
Post by: Floor on June 09, 2021, 02:18:45 PM
Two posts from LankaIV were relocated by floor to this topic
   @
https://overunity.com/18501/the-magnet-fantasic/msg558315/#msg558315

   regards
Title: Re: O.U. Magnet force shielding 2 and so on
Post by: Floor on July 05, 2021, 04:40:54 PM
@ All readers

I have been very busy else where and will be for the another two weeks.

      Best wishes
            floor