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Hydrogen energy => Water arc energy systems => Topic started by: russwr on May 26, 2021, 11:23:38 PM
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With a secondary spark gap (in vacuum chamber insulation), in series with spark plug, and using induction ignition (not CDI), does the spark plug actually fire at the higher voltage of first wider gap, so as it is at that minimum voltage for firing spark plug? High voltage has to jump first gap before the 2nd spark plug. is there voltage drop loss affecting spark plug?
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Please present schematic/picture/ explanation about phenomena in question and processes associated with it.
When testing is provided important is:
-source of energy
- means/ form of vacuum chamber./ is it High Vacuum?
- frequency of test and initial voltage.
- is the circuit tested in series or parallel or both forms of resonance?
- did you measure equivalent impedance
- is the output from energy source matching input of circuit in vacuum.
- what is the load of the circuit?
- what is the load impedance in Ohm's
- do you have SWR 1:1 ?
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But let's say an experimenter didn't do any measurement and didn't even make any test:
in resonance at frequency of spark plug
At the resonance frequency, which is 4.97 MHz for the tested spark plug, the voltage amplitude reaches its maximum
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0306261914001287 (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0306261914001287)
Here is calculator:
http://www.1728.org/resfreq.htm
(http://www.1728.org/resfreq.htm)
Simple to your eye phenomena may be manifesting a complicated set of processes.
Each individual component should be placed on the paper and individually analyzed.
Main process will in this case be described by :
Frequency response: Resonance, Bandwidth, Q factor
https://ocw.mit.edu/courses/electrical-engineering-and-computer-science/6-071j-introduction-to-electronics-signals-and-measurement-spring-2006/lecture-notes/resonance_qfactr.pdf (https://ocw.mit.edu/courses/electrical-engineering-and-computer-science/6-071j-introduction-to-electronics-signals-and-measurement-spring-2006/lecture-notes/resonance_qfactr.pdf)
But for your eye and your fingers it will be the distance between electrodes in any spark gap.
What is dielectric breakdown of air?Breakdown voltage is considered to be 3 kv/mm or 3 megavolts per meter for dry air.
Basically dielectric breakdown is the flow of electric current due to ionization. So Its hard to say that there,s a minimum current.
https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-breakdown-voltage-of-air-and-is-there-a-minimum-amperage-where-it-will-ionize
(https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-breakdown-voltage-of-air-and-is-there-a-minimum-amperage-where-it-will-ionize)what is the temperature of air or temperature of DUT in vacuum ?- not just any vacuum but that specific vacuum level?
https://www.toppr.com/ask/question/the-breakdown-electric-intensity-for-air-is-3times-106-vm-the-maximum-charge-that-can/
(https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-breakdown-voltage-of-air-and-is-there-a-minimum-amperage-where-it-will-ionize)
Summary:
For me your question is not clear, not precise and concise enough for majority of scientists to respond with right answer. :)
Wesley
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russwr
With a secondary spark gap (in vacuum chamber insulation), in series with spark plug, and using induction ignition (not CDI), does the spark plug actually fire at the higher voltage of first wider gap, so as it is at that minimum voltage for firing spark plug?
Yes, whatever the arc over potential is on the secondary gap it is applied to the spark plug gap. I routinely used series gaps having four elements on my Tesla coil. Some gaps can be smaller or larger and once first gap arcs the second is charged to that voltage and arcs and so on...
High voltage has to jump first gap before the 2nd spark plug. is there voltage drop loss affecting spark plug?
Plasma has almost no resistance and is a near perfect conductor so losses are minimal.
Regards
AC
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Seems you are referring to Correa principle where short DC pulses are fed to a spark gap in such manner that conduction current is delayed which is supposed to sink ambient energy in. Many OU systems rely on spark gaps, Gray, Smith etc, altho as Smith said SG is NOT really needed.