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Author Topic: More Tech Data - Briggs 18Hp Mower Engine Ran On Water In Carb 2008  (Read 3226 times)

russwr

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Re: More Tech Data - Briggs 18Hp Mower Engine Ran On Water In Carb 2008
« Reply #15 on: October 29, 2023, 10:38:27 PM »
           
 This work is a steady long running duplication project . The 2008 demonstration of self running Briggs engine used car battery start with then disconnected , so as idling engine ran on the alternator only with water applied to carburetor. The 3 technicians at that time were the ones who discovered that 2 things operated the engine same time, as water vapor pressure along with hydrogen gas formation . The additional Nitrogen from EGR increases efficiency  as on the 2 earlier chevy V8 successful conversions done. It was verified also that the special relays had contributed to the greater efficiency. (NOT used as you normally would at all) and is related to the Radiant Energy applied from either or both methodologies, as diode release from the Hi V against on diode that closes fast, producing radiant energy with current following, or the vacuum present that causes containment of  the Radiant Energy that then follows the wiring to plug, They just knew the system worked. The Magnetron ignition is self powered by external magnet. The alternator is self powered by 12 magnets. The timing has to be greatly adjusted as late to -34 degrees. A magnetic field has to be present at the plug tips. They believed that the diodes kept the cylinders HOLDING the system until the next firing cycle. The cars operated on 6-7 amps draw at about 24kv, as from oscilloscope probe tests.  The Briggs engine was on 10 amps draw as running engine , but due to reactance added to the low volts line, from the high side, the input had to be higher as about 16amps. The website example showed a spark wiring demonstration called "the 60 turns coil test".  20amp dc battery draw to a separate load was reduced to 12amps flow with the HIV field interferes with the 12v line side. (60 turns over plug hi v cable wire with steel rod core for the electromagnet.  The Georgia technicians stopped their final open report to public since no more exact relays were  available to purchase. Not only that, many others were hurt trying to duplicate a set up and didn't know what they were doing. You Tube S1R9A9M9 (2) YouTube videos Questions?           

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Re: More Tech Data - Briggs 18Hp Mower Engine Ran On Water In Carb 2008
« Reply #16 on: October 30, 2023, 12:16:42 AM »
           
 The Georgia engines shop work from 2005-2012 was experimental, and well known in the rural area where Nathren and the 2 techs had their commercial electricians work base. The alternate energy set ups were done in spare time. As was stated in my earlier paragraph, the relays per cylinder were not used as originally made for. No clicking action, not used as original switching latching method . The interior inductors were used both on high voltage  and low volts at same time for purpose of extension of spark time based on inductance value. There may have been dual pulses involved based on the parallel side diode path. Wire coils hold a temporary charge as well as capacitors. The vacuum chamber prevents leakage of energy and electrical contacts react better.  The cars tested with water flow had greatly reduced horsepower, but could be used as slower to get up to highway speeds. .  The 1978 El Camino was said to have went 3000 miles before being locked up. The car engines converted required the carburetor main jets to be redrilled about 30% larger for more water flow. This for the power mode , which is above idle speed. The drawing of that strange specific relay and it's connections is on Internet as used back at that time, as well as the schematic of its use on engines. I saw 6 sets of contacts, switching armature , and with dual coils with diode built inbetween. This original purpose was for electromechanical Georgia traffic signals switching , pole electrical box with .6ohm each coil from main input pole line 220v AC 60 cycles.  The signal lights were 6v auto bulbs up above. Extreme high electrical  efficiency for all temperatures and weather conditions sealed in vacuum. There was no part numer or name plate for any purchasing.  Black Bakalite housing on all 15 surplus units purchased in Georgia. All search teams failed to find any more. It was assumed they were a special manufacturing order. This is why no final electrical report was issued to the public on the web forum.                   

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Re: More Tech Data - Briggs 18Hp Mower Engine Ran On Water In Carb 2008
« Reply #17 on: October 30, 2023, 06:26:00 AM »
Hi Russwr,


What I find lacking in most that attempt to solve unknows is their outright failure to make use of the scientific method, which after all is just a logical process of elimination. Most feel as if the scientific method is beneath them and thus look down on it as a method that can be used to solve unknowns. Thankfully I was taught differently in college and am not afraid to humble myself and make use of the scientific method which has the power to solve unknows if used correctly. It's a slow process but if one doesn't give up they will get the solution(s) they are seeking.


But I understand why people refuse to make use of this method as it does take a long time to gain what one seeks. Just look at me for example as it took me more than 16 years to get a full understanding of this water for fuel technology. Many times did I have to start over and totally take another approach as that's where the science was leading me. I had to question many things we thought science understood but turns out that was a false assumption as simple things like how a thunderstorm actually works or even how does a plant break the bonds of the water molecules was unknown to the world of science as what's in the books is incomplete or just plan incorrect. I found a lot of times folks simply weren't asking the right questions or just overlooked something important as the questions I asked they didn't so they weren't looking for what I was looking for. You know the saying, "You can't answer a question you never asked." That is one thing Meyer was truly aware of as he would often say, "One must ask the right questions."


What the scientific method forced me to do was to buy the proper measuring equipment and machinery to be able to experiment properly on the technology in question. I've spent a lot of money on this estimating around $80k spent with my man hours added into the mix and know I still have more spending to do in the future. With the scientific method if at any point a lie and/or something untrue is accepted as the truth the process of learning stops. I have seen many go down the rabbit hole of untruth and get absolutly nowhere with the passage of time. Simple things one can observe in their experiments like, "Is the water bath heating up with the passage of time or not?" With the technology I was working on based on eye witness accounts if the water bath was heating up it meant you where doing something wrong. But pride would force people to lie to themselves and others just to appear as if they are making progress when they know they were not. It was interesting to see just how long these people would keep up the lies before disappearing from the public eye. A lot of these people in their failures to get this technology working would then jump on the side of those that say this technology is impossible according to the laws of Physics. Again pride plays an important role in moving to say this technology violates the laws of Physics which no one on earth fully understands yet.


I remember sharing promising results as I learned how to increase the voltage potentials in the water capacitors only to be banned from the forums I shared the information in. I think I stopped sharing my results when I reached 8.8 kv of potential difference as all sharing did was build up resentment from others whom where still getting just a few volts in their water fuel capacitors. What surprised me though was no one was willing to follow my lead and instead move to ban me from their places on the internet. I think this is one of the last forums on the internet that hasn't move to ban me, though many wanted me to be banned as I simply wouldn't listen to their ideas that weren't based on science as I had simply moved pass all of that in my research. I found it pointless to attempt to teach others as they simply weren't willing to spend the money it took just to be able to just view the technology properly by purchasing a differential probe. But thankfully some out there did listen to what I was saying and moved to follow my lead and also got high voltages produces in their WFC's. But like many others I still had much to learn on the new rules that governed this technology that I must figure out and adhere too.


Now when I speak about the technology directly it just looses people as they simply got left behind by refusing too or simply where unable to follow my lead due to their finical situations. So, I just keep to myself for the most part now as I press on with this technology as someone must do the work of getting the technology into some form of limited production as the technology must be made safe for use by the masses that need it. It takes a lot of forward thinking to be able to plan a route for the technology I'm working on to be able to one day do what it was created to do which is put the full control of one's energy needs into the hands of the individual.


Take care and I hope you keep at it no matter where the science leads you,
Edward Mitchell
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True Green Solutions

russwr

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Re: More Tech Data - Briggs 18Hp Mower Engine Ran On Water In Carb 2008
« Reply #18 on: November 02, 2023, 11:51:27 PM »
It's finally coming together as to theory on the wiring set up similar to the S1R9A9M9 demonstrations of lawn mower engine running on water in carburetor  summer 2008. My original idea had to do with the triple wires coils as a step down/up transformer with wire to ground. This would be seem reasonable since there was a possible wire to ground. However, the use of original ignition coil is negative high volts with positive ground. With high v. at metal ground of engine, it would never jump upward of spark gap. It would bypass the spark plug for sure, and travel up any side wire, resistor, or capacitor lead, since the gap requires an effort. Electricity always travels the easiest way.


Now, when examining the old 2005-2012 schematic from Georgia on the car conversions of water in carb as successful, I noticed the polarity was referenced twice as positive high voltage. After purchasing a Chevy HEI coil, the primary wires are exposed, and can be switched around from normal Negative to positive high volts. The HEI ignition is high enough to form it's own plasma path for the following 6-7 pulse amps from the half wave DC Inverter. The regular mower ignition Magnetron as modified for positive only had reduced output volts as done 2 ways, as tested was about 10kv,  DC after diode. It's not enough for a good plasma path and would not allow engine to run on water.



I then went back to repeat the original You Tube videos #1+2, at 25% speed and noticed the rusted ignition coil had shiny new screws, which made me suspicious. This means it was removed, and the screws were lost. After the videos , engine was put back the way it was in garage with original ignition with new screws on it. Then I noticed that Briggs 2 plug engines can have 1 or 2 ignition coils on them. The single coil type with (2) cables for each plug fires negative and positive high volts the same time. Then I surmised that this is how the Briggs 18HP was changed to positive high volts ignition, wire negative to ground,  just like the earlier cars had positive high volts. This way IT IS ALLOWED TO HAVE an accessory WIRE TO GROUND, and the ignition would always fire the spark plug. The special dual cable type outputs FULL high volts without loss and is a standard type secondary side winding that is not connected to the primary side as in regular AUTOTRANSFORMER type.



The next observation of the original design was mine alone- no one else ever figured this out except me. Right after the 2 videos were done in Georgia, The S1R triple coils assembly was removed and taken into house and photographed on blue graph paper. The circle was traced around the plastic deli tub that it was in , on side of engine. Nathren stated in message there were other parts in tub used as associated with this fuel conversion. (not mentioned) A picture blow up of the removed electromagnet coils shows something extremely important. The joint of the red and gray wires is covered in black electrical tape. There is a stub cut off wire with copper strands sticking out of joint, as 3 wires.



Later Nathren said he was going to show us in video on how to special hand wind this coil unit. Get this,- He only took apart the "verified" original triple wires on camera, not putting one together as a new one like he should of. But what's important is the very first part of video. The same unit placed on back porch table had been READJUSTED.  The center stub cut off wire was removed and new black tape was re covering up the joint. He didn't want that piece shown dropped off during disassembly. This tap point on the S1r triple coils assembly is what was needed with separate 1.5Millihenry inductor coil, in the tub,  to direct ground. See no#1 +#2 video for the brown extension cord hooked to side of tub, Inverter box, and direct to bottom of spark plug. The wires like that were on all the car conversions as return line back to power source Inverter. The "plug" end on cord was BRIDGED across so as the extension cord twin lead  was actually A VERY LONG CONNECTING SINGLE WIRE). This is what was connected to the inductor. When the positive ignition fires plug downward to ground, the side inductor coil discharges as back EMF flyback pulse following the spark, and provides the proper plasma path that the ignition coil could not. The diodes in between plug and side coil are in an ON STATE . The rushing in Hi V pulse tries to avoid the plug GAP and "sees" the other ground point through the diode and side coil. Right after the ATTEMPT forward against diode, the diode shuts off so as it reverses and fires spark plug. The side coil then releases it's fast higher volts back EMF to the plug gap providing the plasma path. At that point the main current 6-7 amps can flow through spark plug.



The fuel generated is water vapor pressure and hydrogen gas from spark plug electrolysis. Proper late timing is required at about -neg 34 degrees. The electromagnet extends the engine timing from zero degrees to about -34 degrees before shutting off. This is the invention of the 2 Georgia technicians and Nathren (S1R9A9M9) from 2005-2012.



I am currently doing ignition coil tests with homemade horizontal spinning wood flywheel with flywheel magnet and opposite balancing lead washers . The brass screw + magnet is matched with brass screw and easily cut lead washers as both even weights as tested on digital gram weigh scales. The auto type heater blower 12 v motor spins with 10A variable DC SS speed control module. The Briggs coil is mounted on used coil bracket so as close enough for an air gap of .012inch using brass non magnetic feeler gauges. This set up allows indoor testing and not causing undue stress on an engine , and repeated recharging of battery due to the huge starter motor pull of amps on lawnmower $35 battery. I have list of 10 tests needed to be done with this.