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kolbacict

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Re: Low temperature catalytic thermolysis of water
« Reply #30 on: July 29, 2022, 01:40:02 PM »
To summarize all these patents, less energy is expended for the catalytic decomposition of water.
Than what we can get by burning the resulting hydrogen. Do I understand correctly?

Sergh

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Re: Low temperature catalytic thermolysis of water
« Reply #31 on: August 01, 2022, 11:02:34 AM »
In the patents from the previous message, static methods for producing hydrogen are described.

A patent GEP20074038B from Kapanadze's homeland describes a dynamic method, which, according to the patent, has many times greater productivity.

Static hydrogen production method:

https://patents.google.com/patent/SU807584A1/en?oq=SU807584A1
English translation, after downloading, is need to add the file extension .pdf :

https://overunity.com/16440/hho-generation-using-high-frequency-electromagnetic-waves-on-water/dlattach/attach/173964/

Amount of Calcium Oxide Powder: 200 grams
The amount of water vapor present in the reactor: 50 grams
Pressure in the reactor: 0,87 atmospheres
(But about the pressure in this patent, it is not entirely clear. If you study other patents of this author, there are indications that in the process of preparing "calcium hydroxide" he lowered the pressure to 0.01 atmospheres)

Amount of hydrogen: 48 cubic centimeters of gas:  0,0043 grams hydrogen
                   
Dynamic hydrogen production method:
https://patents.google.com/patent/GEP20074038B/en?oq=GEP20074038B
Abstract:
   A method comprises heating water vapor together with the catalyst at pressure 8,0-10,0 atm. The received mix is cooled during (3-5)х10-3sec. up to temperature 70,0-80,00С and simultaneously with it pressure is lower up to 0,5-0,7atm. Then by means of addition water vapor hydrogen is isolated and process is repeated.

English translation, .pdf:
https://overunity.com/16440/hho-generation-using-high-frequency-electromagnetic-waves-on-water/dlattach/attach/173965/

Amount of Calcium Oxide Powder: 200 grams
Pressure inside the reactor: 0,5 - 10 atmospheres
Temperature 70 - 400 Celsius
Water  100 ml

Amount of hydrogen: 0.66 - 0.72 % from the water, or  0.66 - 0.72 grams hydrogen, 7788 cubic centimeters of gas, 84 kilojoules if burned.

At idle, a running car engine consumes about 1 liter per hour.

1 liter of gasoline releases 44 megajoules of heat when burned. 84 kilojoules, obtained from the combustion of hydrogen, is enough to rotate the engine at idle for 7 seconds.
Presumably in this way there is enough energy to start and rotate the motor on this videos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIMXgLuq6gA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUoY_qmBg-g

kolbacict

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Re: Low temperature catalytic thermolysis of water
« Reply #32 on: August 17, 2022, 06:26:40 PM »
Is it necessary to decompose water certainly  to hydrogen by your low-temperature catalytic methods?
Why not get another combustible substance from the water at once, for example, methanol or methane.

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Re: Low temperature catalytic thermolysis of water
« Reply #33 on: August 17, 2022, 08:03:33 PM »
Sirs
Here another odd claim ?


BTW thanks for all the info …hopefully when Tommy Reed gets back from working out of state
there can be Some testing of these claims at his topic here !
With his pressure chamber test bed .
Respectfully
Chet K
PS
Below was shared at another forum,I did not ask poster for permission to share as it was not
His claim!
I probably will reach out for him regardless!
PPS
Now that I think of it I do remember a member here saying to add a tiny bit of benzene to water fuel
Experiments??



kolbacict

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Re: Low temperature catalytic thermolysis of water
« Reply #34 on: August 17, 2022, 08:21:47 PM »
Maybe silane? Good thing. Even spontaneously ignites. ;)

Sergh

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Re: Low temperature catalytic thermolysis of water
« Reply #35 on: August 24, 2022, 11:45:17 AM »
Hello!

Hydrogen and water are good because they do not create solid products in Redox reactions.
 Carbon or silicon will contaminate the aluminosilicate matrix.
But it's probably possible somehow.

https://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/articlelanding/2020/gc/c9gc02453k

ramset

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Re: Low temperature catalytic thermolysis of water
« Reply #36 on: September 02, 2022, 03:22:20 AM »
So I spoke again with a friend who read of this challenge!(Jerry V. at Peters open source forum)
Seems the Thomas Edison water fuel challenge
WAs an Ounce of secret green fluid
Mixed with one gallon of water
Ran an internal combustion engine !
Edison put out a very big reward for the time …to anyone who could tell him what this one ounce of Green fluid was ?
 A long time passed … no one came to answer the challenge ( successfully)
And he just published it
 
Acetylene mixed with acetone at 200 atmosphere
Fellow who shared this said “might need to cool it during the process “?


Go small at first !( samples)


Wonder how it “do what it do “ ??
Effects thermolysis ?
Or ….
 This one gonna be wild !
3000 psi ?  ( to make a solution from such a touchy soup


Hmm
Seems to share bits from the Brax peace collection
https://sites.google.com/site/braxpeace2/waterinfuelblends
Shared by Johan here years ago


Respectfully
Chet K

Sergh

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Re: Low temperature catalytic thermolysis of water
« Reply #37 on: December 12, 2022, 01:23:58 PM »
Effects thermolysis ?
Hello!
What do you think about... photolysis?
The process of decomposition of something under the action of some kind of radiation?
Of course, when you need to create artificial radiation, this is not a free process. But what if we use radiation that is imperceptible to us, powerful radiation that always exists around us in large quantities?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photocatalytic_water_splitting
https://www.google.com/search?q=Gamma+ray+zeolite+hydrogen


ramset

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Re: Low temperature catalytic thermolysis of water
« Reply #38 on: December 12, 2022, 01:38:36 PM »
Sir
Biology and water splitting, irresistible combination


Snip from your link
Photocatalytic water splitting is an artificial photosynthesis process using photocatalysis for the dissociation of water(H2O) into hydrogen (H]2 and oxygen


2. Only light energy (photons]), water, and a catalyst(s) are needed, since this is what naturally occurs in natural photosynthetic oxygen production and CO2fixation.[1]
[2][3]][4]
Hydrogen fuel production using water and light (photocatalytic water splitting ), instead of petroleum, is an important renewable energy strategy.
End snip
Links again
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photocatalytic_water_splitting
https://www.google.com/search?q=Gamma+ray+zeolite+hydrogen Screen shot below from your link
Thanks
Chet
PS
Sam leach claim with lithium nitrate at 20ppm and 500 psi runs ICE
Is still in the works ( access to nitrate an issue …any suggestions?)
And now we see Herman Anderson ( soft X-ray claim ..was not Myth or ?




Sergh

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Re: Low temperature catalytic thermolysis of water
« Reply #39 on: December 14, 2022, 12:10:00 PM »
Hello, Chet!

Herman Anderson, soft X-ray - what is meant really by this?Soft x-rays are more dangerous to health than hard x-rays. This X-rays are absorbed by the skin, even small doses cause burns on the skin. Tesla also wrote about this.  These burns are difficult to heal.

I'm generally thinking about something else.
 In principle, the processes of absorption of any radiation in this context are presumably similar.
Including known and unknown radiations.

The unknown radiation does not visualize itself in any way.

Zero point radiation, transition noise from the future to the past.

Probably  high-frequency radiation, higher than gamma rays.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/00223131.2013.757453


About lithium nitrate. Don't know. Probably in chemical stores. If you have a piece of lithium or lithium oxide or hydroxide and nitric acid, you get lithium nitrate.
Li + 2HNO3 → LiNO3 + NO2 + H2O
NO2 - brown gas - nitrogen dioxide, hazardous to health.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrogen_dioxide
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrogen_dioxide_poisoning
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01Uuc8V-o4Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qLXss0h0MQ

The source of lithium metal is lithium batteries, but not rechargeable batteries:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BliWUHSOalU

Interesting about lithium chloride, in the current topic, see TABLE 2:

https://patents.google.com/patent/EP1245531A1/en
« Last Edit: December 14, 2022, 03:16:05 PM by Sergh »

ramset

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Re: Low temperature catalytic thermolysis of water
« Reply #40 on: December 15, 2022, 04:38:50 PM »
Sergh
Thanks for reply, I was on road all day yesterday until late !


Will look for relevant quote and post here (from Herman on soft X-ray )actually he supports your comment and it might be good to define this issue you mention !




Studying your other contributions ( you truly are a wonderful resource for the Hydrogen technologies !
Many are quite interested since it seems more possibilities for open source  builders to explore with huge potential!
For perspective Sam Leach lithium nitrate at 20ppm at 500 psi in water runs ICE …is within grasp of many experimenters !
Many areas you point to here are in same category ( we have skill set to experiment in open source community)
With gratitude
Chet

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Re: Low temperature catalytic thermolysis of water
« Reply #41 on: December 15, 2022, 10:27:47 PM »
@ Serg


i believe the term ‘soft x-rays’, refers to the low end of the xray spectrum.
These are emitted from the ultraviolet electric plasma spectrum and beyond.


Vacuum tubes and low-pressure gas tubes were once used to create HV home-medical devices,
and traveling-therapy artists, that would wave a glowing electric tube over your body.


These are “low energy” xrays and HF light

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Re: Low temperature catalytic thermolysis of water
« Reply #42 on: December 16, 2022, 09:18:42 PM »
Have you heard about the used oil furnace from 1950's that ran on water? Patent was issued to army service men in Texas for only adding water line to T fitting for used oil burner on used jeep engine oil, to get 50% increase in efficiency. That was not what was written in their application for Patent. SS coil tubing in brick insulated firepot of oil burner hooked to input common water line. Oil furnace started. Oil passes through spring operated  one way check valve. Temperature gauge monitored for temp up to 1500 degrees F. Then valve opened so as superheated steam is allowed in T fitting with oil to tiny nozzle. Nice burn flame runs constant. Then oil line shut off. Furnace still runs. Shock wave from 90 lbs pressure to zero AMBIANT in fire-pot forms Hydrogen and Oxygen torch flame that also heats heat exchanger. Normally water molecules separate at about 3000-6000 degrees which is too much energy. The vibration shock wave allows for disassociation at lower temperature. Electric motor with dual shafts ran 2 oil pumps at 90lbs. If water shut off, and cooled down, then furnace has to be restarted on oil. A much smaller unit in crate was shown to a US senator in Washington building underground parking , as an open trunk display. This was somewhat similar to the propane operated camping stove with circular pores, ignition igniter, vertical round fire brick insulated chimney, and interior SS tubing of water. When steam introduced to T fitting, the fuel used was shut down leaving burning circular torch flames. It probably used minerals free distilled water so as nozzle would not clog. (US Patent office not allow for overunity for public.- Free Energy is eliminated in issued US Patents. US- 1958, 2,863,499.
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ramset

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Re: Low temperature catalytic thermolysis of water
« Reply #43 on: December 17, 2022, 10:46:00 AM »
Russ
Your patent number doesn’t link for me ?
One thing about lithium,
It’s claimed to cut water temp for thermolysis in half ?
(At incredibly small amounts (lithium nitrate at 20ppm in water)
Would also make many issues in your water furnace
Easier to …….engineer
Respectfully
Chet K


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Re: Low temperature catalytic thermolysis of water
« Reply #44 on: December 17, 2022, 04:46:42 PM »
US patent 2863499   shows only SOME of the original data . At least you get the general  idea. Type number in CAREFULLY to study Patent issued. (oil furnace ran FULLY on water in 1950's, after starting with fuel oil, and up to proper temperature- from original manuscript submitted.)