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Title: Motor search for lenz less or lenz assisted.
Post by: MagnaProp on May 03, 2021, 06:24:02 AM
I'm looking for a lenzless or lenz assisted motor. The three topics I have found so far are Thane Heins, Tinman's rotating transformer and OzSolarPower-Zero Back EMF pulse motor.

Is the Thane Heins design and the TM-rotating transformer basically the same thing? Or they accomplish the same effect but in two very different ways?

Any other motor ideas that I haven't listed that help remove or reduce negative effects from lenz?
Title: Re: Motor search for lenz less or lenz assisted.
Post by: NdaClouDzzz on May 03, 2021, 03:20:48 PM
Have you looked into Paul Babcock?

"Magnetic energy secrets" (Part 1) by Paul Babcok

A snippet: "Zero stating the inductor...reduced impedance effect...impedance is a product of Lenz's law, and we beat that, too. ...we use the motor coupling in space so we don't have flux cutting the windings...."
Title: Re: Motor search for lenz less or lenz assisted.
Post by: MagnaProp on May 04, 2021, 08:44:17 AM
I came across him before but didn't give it much of a thought. Didn't even play his video. I've now taken a second look at his video and find it rather interesting. So thank you for pointing me in that direction. Difficult to go through all the info that is out there, 99.9 percent of which appears to be bull, so I thank you again for the heads up on his work.
Title: Re: Motor search for lenz less or lenz assisted.
Post by: NdaClouDzzz on May 04, 2021, 10:05:36 PM
I believe that Stan Meyer was also using the same flyback spikes to create his amp-restricted high voltage electric field to split water. One side negative and the other side rectified to positive.
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Difficult to go through all the info that is out there, 99.9 percent of which appears to be bull

The more info you absorb the more that your subconscious has to work with which results in more frequent and useful epiphanies.
Title: Re: Motor search for lenz less or lenz assisted.
Post by: MagnaProp on May 05, 2021, 09:02:35 AM
 Thanks again NdaClouDzzz. I will study the info you have provided.

I usually prefer more info than less but I took that route finding a generator build I would like to follow. Trying to speed up the search for a more efficient motor now since time goes by fast.
Title: Re: Motor search for lenz less or lenz assisted.
Post by: NdaClouDzzz on May 09, 2021, 06:57:57 AM
Stan Meyer's EPG also addressed the lenz issue. The following link starts at Stan's discussion: https://youtu.be/_-hY09qYfhw?t=1858 (https://youtu.be/_-hY09qYfhw?t=1858)
                                                                      Part Two of EPG discussion: https://youtu.be/-T20Wmjce2E?t=593 (https://youtu.be/-T20Wmjce2E?t=593)
Title: Re: Motor search for lenz less or lenz assisted.
Post by: MagnaProp on May 09, 2021, 11:22:56 AM
Very interesting. The key appears to happen in your second link at (14:35 - 15:01). I don't understand it though. He has his magnetic gas going around in a tubular non-magnetic coil, and coils are wrapped around that. I don't really understand his explanation of why the EMF is now reduced by going away from the coil in a right angle?

Attached is my drawing of what it sounds like his set up is.
Title: Re: Motor search for lenz less or lenz assisted.
Post by: kajunbee on May 09, 2021, 03:27:20 PM
There’s something I’m missing here myself. A permanently magnetized gas circulating in a tube. This would be the same as a coil wrapped around a toroidal permanent magnet. And then spinning the toroid inside the coil. Imagine two semi circular permanent magnets connected together with coil wound around them. Spinning the magnet inside the coil will not induce a voltage in coil will it??? My basic understanding is that the magnetic field has to change, expanding outwards/inwards) from the core. As I see it lenz law is defeated because there is no voltage induced in coil. Not much use in that is it. Maybe I’m missing something, I haven’t watched all of the video.
Title: Re: Motor search for lenz less or lenz assisted.
Post by: NdaClouDzzz on May 09, 2021, 07:08:00 PM
I haven't put any real effort into researching any of Stan's devices, but I have no doubt of the validity of using a high voltage electric field to produce hydrogen, just as Stan clearly pointed out in his house lecture ( https://youtu.be/fxciCZHHAn4?t=1612 (https://youtu.be/fxciCZHHAn4?t=1612) ). There are many ways of producing a high voltage electric field, Stan's way is just one way*. With regard to Stan's EPG, there's info everywhere. Here's one link: https://www.nikola-truck.com/epg-electric-particle-generator (https://www.nikola-truck.com/epg-electric-particle-generator)

See also, Chapter 2 "Gyroscopic Actions" in THE ENERGY MACHINE OF JOSEPH NEWMAN https://archive.org/details/TheEnergyMachineOfJosephNewman8thEdition/page/n11/mode/2up (https://archive.org/details/TheEnergyMachineOfJosephNewman8thEdition/page/n11/mode/2up)

*For example, see Don Smith's Ambient Energy Generator https://overunity.com/18282/a-king-21-build-discussion-investigation/msg536914/#msg536914 (https://overunity.com/18282/a-king-21-build-discussion-investigation/msg536914/#msg536914) (Reply #57) and EFUSystem PDF https://overunity.com/18239/the-solution/msg552241/#msg552241 (https://overunity.com/18239/the-solution/msg552241/#msg552241) (Reply #64)
Title: Re: Motor search for lenz less or lenz assisted.
Post by: NdaClouDzzz on May 12, 2021, 05:31:45 AM
What is an electric field? https://eepower.com/capacitor-guide/fundamentals/electric-field/ (https://eepower.com/capacitor-guide/fundamentals/electric-field/)

The Capacitors Electric Field https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/direct-current/chpt-13/electric-fields-capacitance/ (https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/direct-current/chpt-13/electric-fields-capacitance/)
Title: Re: Motor search for lenz less or lenz assisted.
Post by: NdaClouDzzz on May 12, 2021, 07:03:04 AM
For those interested in exploring Don Smith's Ambient Energy Generator and the EFU Pdf (see links above), see the following video by Bruno Vk for some important insight:                       
   https://youtu.be/6gVHyHNADcI (https://youtu.be/6gVHyHNADcI)
The diode is very important. Also read the comments, as in my opinion, the worlds leading expert on Don Smith tech gives valuable insight there!!!!!!
Title: Re: Motor search for lenz less or lenz assisted.
Post by: kajunbee on May 19, 2021, 06:27:12 PM
https://youtu.be/p8xYUDiSGDk

This seems to be and example of water splitting without electrical current through the saltwater.
Title: Re: Motor search for lenz less or lenz assisted.
Post by: kolbacict on May 20, 2021, 08:25:38 AM
What is magnetic gas?
I know there are magnetic fluids ...
By the way, I would like to talk about this separately.
Title: Re: Motor search for lenz less or lenz assisted.
Post by: kajunbee on May 20, 2021, 05:56:12 PM
https://periodictable.com/Properties/A/MagneticType.html
Title: Re: Motor search for lenz less or lenz assisted.
Post by: kajunbee on May 20, 2021, 06:29:59 PM
Kolbacit, while researching gas magnetization I came across this video. What caught my attention was the gas production at the 11 minute mark of demonstration. In your experiments have you ever tested the effect of magnets on gas production. If so would you mind sharing your results.

https://youtu.be/LS3GQk9ETRU

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0360319911023500
Title: Re: Motor search for lenz less or lenz assisted.
Post by: kajunbee on May 21, 2021, 04:50:11 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_pump

Title: Re: Motor search for lenz less or lenz assisted.
Post by: kolbacict on May 22, 2021, 12:49:33 PM
These links refer to liquid metals or electrolytes. And you are talking about some kind of gas.
I do not know conductive gases.  only ionized plasma can be conductive.
Title: Re: Motor search for lenz less or lenz assisted.
Post by: alan on May 22, 2021, 02:12:14 PM
https://patents.google.com/patent/US6707208B2/en
Title: Re: Motor search for lenz less or lenz assisted.
Post by: MagnaProp on June 01, 2021, 11:50:28 AM
Thank you all for contributing to my quest. Lots of good info for me to look through.
Title: Re: Motor search for lenz less or lenz assisted.
Post by: kajunbee on June 05, 2021, 03:54:34 PM
@Kolbacict , when I mentioned permanently magnetized gas in other post it was more like talking out loud to myself. That I know of a gas can’t be permanently magnetized. Stan mentions in the video about them not showing magnetic properties at room temperature if I remember correctly. He continues to mention permanently magnetized gas but fails to mention what gas or even how it’s formed. If he did I must have missed it.
Title: Re: Motor search for lenz less or lenz assisted.
Post by: MagnaProp on June 08, 2021, 10:36:24 AM
Winding up my first coils now. Never done this before so I'll have a few newb questions to say the least. I plan to start with pancake coils instead of the standard long ones. Going to try bifilar like tesla basically. Looks like I need to make an LC circuit. The circuit appears simple enough but finding the values for the capacitor and inductor appears to be really difficult. Can I use a variable capacitor and just turn it's knob until the coil starts resonating?
Title: Re: Motor search for lenz less or lenz assisted.
Post by: MagnaProp on August 09, 2021, 06:18:55 AM
I'm not starting with pancake coils after all. It would take to long to make for an initial test. I need to see if I can get some energy from the aether before trying to refine the system. Here is my technology for making bobinas. We'll see how tired I get from the hand crank before I think about a motorized version. I've purchased a wrist and grounding mat to work on. Hope that keeps me from getting killed from working with this stuff. Or does that only protect the electronics and not me?
Title: Re: Motor search for lenz less or lenz assisted.
Post by: kolbacict on August 09, 2021, 08:54:07 AM
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Or does that only protect the electronics and not me?
I do not see how this device can pose a danger to humans. :)
Title: Re: Motor search for lenz less or lenz assisted.
Post by: MagnaProp on August 10, 2021, 07:02:04 AM
Thanks for checking it out. I hope it'll be safe for other life forms as well when I start adding power. Voltage and large coils scare me. I at least know enough to know that I don't yet know enough.
Title: Re: Motor search for lenz less or lenz assisted.
Post by: MagnaProp on September 12, 2021, 12:02:08 PM
Going with pancake coils after all. My previous tech proved that it would take me just as long, if not longer, to make a regular coil to my specs so why not just go with the pancake since that is what I would prefer to test with. The hand crank idea is out. Hurt my back cranking that thing and keeping tension on the wire so the next iteration has to be motorized. Purchased a servo with 120kg of torque so we'll see if that is enough. Wheels and springs should arrive in a few days.

Anyone else make a motorized pancake coil maker? I saw one person modify a 3D printer with a cam head to lay down wire on a sticky surface. That'll be plane C if this one also fails.

Need about 30 to 50 coils so I need some kind of production method going. This one took 3 days, working part time on it, which is to long. I'd like to get this project done in my lifetime if possible.