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### Author Topic: "Hydrogen Technology" LLC  (Read 3124 times)

#### lancaIV

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##### "Hydrogen Technology" LLC
« on: May 02, 2021, 02:03:18 PM »

based by #22810 given details :

The cost of the generator is \$ 7,500

for comparation :

https://pv-magazine-usa.com/2020/03/26/electrolyzer-overview-lowering-the-cost-of-hydrogen-and-distributing-its-productionhydrogen-industry-overview-lowering-the-cost-and-distributing-production/

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At a current price of \$9,800, the device supplies half a cubic meter of hydrogen per hour, or one kilogram of hydrogen every 24 hours. With a targeted service life of 30,000 hours, the unit currently achieves a price of \$7.30/kg, which corresponds to \$0.19/kWh (calorific value). These figures, however, do not include the price of the 54 kWh of electricity required to produce 1 kilogram of hydrogen with AEM electrolysis. If we assume, for example, that the input electricity costs \$0.055/kWh, this adds another \$3/kg, or \$0.075/kWh of hydrogen, to the production cost.

........... ( 2020 article citation end)

In given device is developed a completely new cheap hydrogen technology by cavitation electrolysis method. obtained by this technology electrolyzer will be 10 times cheaper of existed prototypes.

\$ 7500 ( prototype ) divided 10 (times cheaper ) = \$ 750  mass production preview

Production capacity - 1.5 kg / h of hydrogen (H2)        (  equates 50 KWh heat energy  )

Power consumption - 1.3 kW / h

According to the cavitation-electrolysis hydrogen generator of the present invention, there are advantages in that the efficiency of hydrogen generation can be improved by energy effective combination of cavitation and electrolysis and hydrogen production costs also is remarkably reduced due to device cheap materials construction.

Condition :     \$ 750 hydrogen generator / 50 KWh hydrogen output =         \$ 15/KWh hydrogen generation capacity ( purity grade ?)

H2 output - 280- 300 l/min.   =   1,5 - 1,6 kg/h

https://www.f6s.com/hydrogentechnologyllc

" ..... and adding the Brown's gas (HHO)  ..... " : Brown gas or hydrogen ?

\$ 0,375 per Kg hydrogen ( or less pure: Brown gas ?)  production price possible ( 1,3 KWh per 50 KWh H2 electricity a \$ 0,1 calculating )

cheap and clean enough for "renewable cycle"

H2 and CO2 base for  : sun- or windfuels  http://www.dotyenergy.com/    https://www.sunfire.de/de/home

H2  output - 280- 300 l/min.   =   1,5 - 1,6 kg/h

and if HHO or OH output

Measured as 1m3 / 1,000 liters of OH gas producing vessel with the respective number and size of electrolysis cells, similar to ours, will produce 1m3 (1,000 liters)of ОH gas with 380Wh or 0.38kWh power.

1m3, or 1,000 liters of ОH gas weighs 0.535 kg at 0,45 bar pressure and 20deg.С :
1L OН =>  0.38Wh

1000L OН = 0.535 kg OН => 380Wh = 0.38kWh/m3

PURE HYDROGEN weighs 1/9 of the  ОН, because the H2 molecule’s molar mass is 2 g/mol, and the ОН’s molar mass is 18 g/mol, or 9 times more.

So, 1m3  (1,000 liters) of ОH gas, produced by our cell, contains :

0.535 kg OH : 9 = 0.06 kg (60 grams) of PURE HYDROGEN, produced with 0.38 kWh, at 0.45 bar / 20deg.C .

#### Sergh

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##### Re: "Hydrogen Technology" LLC
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2021, 03:34:43 PM »
It seems to me that this has not yet been verified by independent experts.

#### lancaIV

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##### Re: "Hydrogen Technology" LLC
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2021, 04:09:44 PM »
Pure hydrogen or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxyhydrogen electrolysis ?

Independent from the case ,by given theory :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxyhydrogen

Production

A pure stoichiometric mixture may be obtained by water electrolysis, which uses an electric current to dissociate the water molecules:electrolysis: 2 H2O → 2 H2 + O2combustion: 2 H2 + O2 → 2 H2O
William Nicholson was the first to decompose water in this manner in 1800. In theory, the input energy of a closed system will always equal the output energy, as the first law of thermodynamics states.

However, in practice no systems are perfectly closed, and the energy required to generate the oxyhydrogen will always exceed the energy released by combusting it, even at maximum practical efficiency, as the second law of thermodynamics implies (see Electrolysis of water#Efficiency ).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrolysis_of_water#Efficiency

Industrial outputEfficiency of modern hydrogen generators is measured by energy consumed per standard volume of hydrogen (MJ/m3), assuming standard temperature and pressure of the H2.
The lower the energy used by a generator, the higher its efficiency would be;
a 100%-efficient electrolyser would consume 39.4 kilowatt-hours per kilogram (142 MJ/kg) of hydrogen,[24] 12,749 joules per litre (12.75 MJ/m3).

Practical electrolysis (using a rotating electrolyser at 15 bar pressure) may consume 50 kW⋅h/kg (180 MJ/kg), and a further 15 kW⋅h (54 MJ) if the hydrogen is compressed for use in hydrogen cars.[25]

Electrolyzer vendors provide efficiencies based on enthalpy. To assess the claimed efficiency of an electrolyzer it is important to establish how it was defined by the vendor (i.e. what enthalpy value, what current density, etc.).

https://www.ammoniaenergy.org/articles/israeli-group-develops-new-electrolysis-technology/

In a September 15 Technion press release , the researchers state that their technology “facilitates an unprecedented energetic efficiency of 98.7% in the production of hydrogen from water.”
« Last Edit: May 02, 2021, 08:10:37 PM by lancaIV »

#### stivep

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##### Re: "Hydrogen Technology" LLC
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2021, 05:03:51 PM »
So who is our hero
The  Director  of Hydrogem Technology"   Giorgi Tsivtsivadze

And now who is the inventor of  hydrogen generator:
She works in the same  Tbilisi State University, with  medical  doctor in  radiology  Giorgi Tsivtsivadze

Wesley

#### lancaIV

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« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2021, 05:46:10 PM »
Yes,the one , Giorgi Tsivtsivadze, is the commercial company "Hydrogen Technology" LLC  director and she , BURJANADZE SOPHIA , is the "hydrogen generation" concept inventor(-a)!

A 2012 official applied idea ! Not new ! But by chemistry : " hydrogen technology"  or  " oxy-hydrogen technology"  generator ?

Wesley,there are official theologian in commercial companies their administrative board world-wide and :

no ! seldom the company - owned by religious institutions !

#### stivep

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##### Re: "Hydrogen Technology" LLC
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2021, 05:49:50 PM »
of the -Founder  of  Hydrogen Technology LLC, / - Advancement Science LLC Manager - Anaklia Port Ecological Monitoring Group

Marius Moldoveanu
-who is a Technical Support Engineer at The same
I got to :
and I found comment:
<Limkedin just offered me the opportunity to publish informations and pictures...>
Quote
Intriguing
especially I can't access all Google facilities and/or You Tube.
The first water / electrolytic gases injection kit is completed. It may look like a DIY water /methanol injection kit but is more than a professional one!
The electrolyte is tap water and citric acid as chelation additive and the spray is a mixture of ionized water and electrolytic gases.

but in this link Marius Moldoveanu doesn't indicate any problems.

Wesley

#### stivep

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##### Re: "Hydrogen Technology" LLC
« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2021, 05:50:52 PM »
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#### lancaIV

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« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2021, 06:07:40 PM »

#### stivep

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##### Re: "Hydrogen Technology" LLC
« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2021, 10:12:30 PM »

#### lancaIV

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« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2021, 12:04:02 PM »
https://register.epo.org/application?lng=en&number=EP13811257&tab=main

Status            The application is deemed to be withdrawn

Despatch of communication that the application is deemed to be withdrawn, reason: filing fee / search fee not paid in time  [2015/47]

not a problem !

granted,but shortly after also abandoned :

ideas and inventions mostly fails by financial reazons ! And/or (natural) death from the inventor/-s .

What processes with C.O.P. greater 1 : means

surplus energy storage,on-demand taking process impuls unit and surplus energy generation .

I mean that the WO cited document

step I

Electrical input from battery :              unit 1

amplifier                      output            units 8               singular C.O.P.: 8x  VA to VA

step II

amplifier input                                   units 8

APV chamber                output           units 148             singular C.O.P.: 18,5x VA to VA

step III

APV chamber input                            units 148

hydro-dynamic chamber output          units 2960            singular C.O.P.: 20x VA to  Kcal/KJ or KWh heat chemical

step I and step III the C.O.P.s are physical approved,step II there is an experimental unknown variance between 12 and 30

Giorgi Tsivtsivadze  never called himself inventor ,he (con-)stated :

This technology developed by my college and partner Sophia Burjanadze, who works on alternative energy devices, more than thirty years. Her research and innovation is based on investigation of fundamental laws of physics, Einstein Special theory of relativity, Everett interpretation of quantum phisics and detail examination of Tesla patents. She has her own understanding for fundamental laws of physics. Her theoretical model on basis of which our device is constructed will be published after commercialization of our technology.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Everett_III
At the age of twelve he wrote a letter to Albert Einstein asking him whether that which maintained the universe was something random or unifying.[4] Einstein responded as follows:

Dear Hugh: There is no such thing like an irresistible force and immovable body.

But there seems to be a very stubborn boy who has forced his way victoriously through strange difficulties created by himself for this purpose.

Sincerely yours, A. Einstein[4]

#### Sergh

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##### Re: "Hydrogen Technology" LLC
« Reply #10 on: May 03, 2021, 12:58:54 PM »
I assume that a very strong ultrasound of a relatively low frequency is needed. An unusually strong ultrasound that can grind stones into dust through cavitation. Therefore, the YouTubers' experiments with relatively weak ultrasound were unsuccessful.
Found something on YouTube to show what I mean:

The presence of ultrasound alone does not give overunity. Gas production is low. Some kind of catalyst is needed in a general sense.

#### lancaIV

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« Reply #11 on: May 03, 2021, 01:17:47 PM »

https://slidetodoc.com/super-deep-penetration-a-k-a-usherenko-effect/

https://www.lenr-forum.com/attachment/3626-usherenko-sdp-inrc-nti-pdf/

https://patentauction.com/search.php
https://patentauction.com/patent.php?nb=11103
https://patentauction.com/patent.php?nb=14562
https://patentauction.com/patent.php?nb=13320

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windhexe

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?FT=D&date=19830518&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP&CC=EP&NR=0078799A1&KC=A1&ND=4

Hence, one can say the REACTOR TO TRANSMUTE THE MATTER is an apparatus to produce calories. For example, if 2,000Kcal (two thousand kilo/calories) is introduced in the REACTOR it will be possible to multiply these calories by 100 (a hundred), 1,000 (a thousand) and even 100,000 (a hundred thousand) according to what it is chosen to be used. The only condition to have a progressive multi plication of the calories without problems is to provide a cooling apparatus like the one used in combustion engines during operation.

The results achieved with the REACTOR TO TRANSMUTE THE MATTER are of great importance. Using a mixture of dihydrogen oxide and ethylic alcohol,equally proportioned in weight, as fuel to feed the REACTOR, it was identified at the outlet of the REACTOR (before its admission in the engine) 33 (thirty three) different gases,such as: ARGON,ALUMINIUM, COBALT, MOLYBDENUM, TECHNETIUM, RUTHENIUM, RHO DIUM, PALLADIUM, LANTHANUM, THULIUM, ASTATINE, AMERICIUM and CURIUM. In additon, at the outlet of the exhaust pipe it was observed 46 (forty six) different gases. Among the se gases it was registered: HYDROGEN, HELIUM, LITHIUM, BERYLLIUM, ALUMINIUM, CHLORINE, TECHNETIUM, RUTHENIUM, RHODIUM, BARIUM, LANTHANUM, POLONIUM, PROTACTINIUM, AMERICIUM, CURIUM, BERKELIUM and HAHNIUM.
Three other gases which are in the group could not be identified according to the PERIODIC CHART OF TH-ELEMENTS; Their numbers are 109, 111 and 131.

It is interesting to remember that the PERIODIC CHART OF THE ELEMENTS classifies only till element No. 105.

EP0078799 (A1) ― 1983-05-18

2021 : https://www.sigmaaldrich.com/technical-documents/articles/biology/periodic-table-of-elements-names.html

#### Sergh

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« Reply #12 on: May 03, 2021, 01:55:13 PM »
"Oh no."
Ultrasound - for creating dynamic pressure and temperature differences, and for "catalisator" degassing . LENR and transmutation are unlikely.

#### lancaIV

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##### Re: "Hydrogen Technology" LLC
« Reply #13 on: May 03, 2021, 02:03:22 PM »
https://patents.justia.com/inventor/harry-w-kompanek

transducer use in "Hydrogen Technology"-application "cited documents"

https://patents.justia.com/patent/4038348  atomizer/vaporizer function

The transducer is in an "unloaded" condition (High Q); therefore, when the fuel strikes the surface it is immediately atomized or vaporized.

similar https://www.unicusmagazine.com/pioneers2003/firestorm.htm spark for plasma

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_(physics)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonthermal_plasma

CatalysisAtmospheric pressure non-thermal plasma can be used to promote chemical reactions. Collisions between hot temperature electrons and cold gas molecules can lead to dissociation reactions and the subsequent formation of radicals. This kind of discharge exhibits reacting properties that are usually seen in high temperature discharge systems.[22] Non-thermal plasma is also used in conjunction with a catalyst to further enhance the chemical conversion of reactants or to alter the products chemical composition.
Among the different application fields, there are ozone production[23] at a commercial level; pollution abatement, both solid (PM, VOC) and gaseous (SOx, NOx);[24] CO2 conversion[25] in fuels (methanol, syngas) or value added chemicals; nitrogen fixation; methanol synthesis; liquid fuels synthesis from lighter hydrocarbons (e.g. methane),[26] hydrogen production via hydrocarbons reforming[27]

from hydrogen to fusion process