okAy. i haven't posted here much but I have an idea that has probably been tried. I was thinking pretty basically and wanted to strap a bunch or alternators to a KA motor(nissan 4cyl) , which I have left over from a swap, for electrolysis. will I be able to produce enough power to generate enough gas to keep it going? I'm nmot trying to fit it into a car or anything. I just want to get a working exaple to start off of in my garage and work from there. the goal is to get off of the grid with WATER ONLY. no solar, no FF, no wind.

I have searched but have only found BS (joe cell and basic hydrogen suplimentation).i want to have it rn TOTALLY on a  water based fuel and FREE(- repairs and such)

please help me out!!!!

I have a suggestion but not a solution. First and foremost I would contact user Mramos about his experiments in the same area of research. Secondly I suggest you buy and machine some SS316 plate (stainless steel grade 316). The closer the plates are in proximity the less energy expended by the ions in travel. Load your stainless steel tank with NaOH which will further aid in reducing the power consumption. The major benefit to the SS316 and NaOH electrolysis cell is that neither the steel electrodes or the NaOH electrolytes are consumed. To further "Close the loop I would also suggest you recycle the exhaust via a bubbler pipe in the water storage portion of the cell, because electrolysis of heated water requires less energy.

You would then need to develop an efficient circuit that would deliver just the right: voltage, amperage, and frequency based on temperature, ph, and pressure. It may be more complicated  or it might be less complicated... The only way to know for sure is to try it yourself. Might I also suggest you start with a smaller cheaper engine maybe a 1-5HP engine.
(cheap lawn mower engine would work for experimenting)

If you would like to further discuss electrolysis concepts or have any questions I'd be glad to try to help you out, but honestly there is no instant solution being mass produced. Developing something from scratch will take a long time and a lot of work. Each cell design is unique and its power input/output is dependent on the dynamics of the cell and efficiency of the collector (IC<30%). PEM fuel cells are most efficient (PEM<75%) and all the excess energy is used heating the output water.

Good luck on your hunt for the answer,
~Dingus

P.S. Don't forget H2 + O2 -> H2O is a implosion so ignition will expand a little then retract the piston.

Some useful links:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,518.0.html
http://www.geocities.com/waterfuel111/tricks_electrolysis.html
http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/h-o/chemchrt.htm
http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/h-o/
http://www.phact.org/e/bgas.txt

Good call. it seems that a 2 stroke would work better in this spot. thanks for settin me straight.

In regular IC engines, H2 and O2 work differently to petrol.

Petrol produces a very large volume of CO2, and
this pushes the piston with great power.

H2 and O2 burn, expand and this pressure pushes
the piston. Then, the products of combustion, steam,
will condense back to water producing a suction which
may well have just as much power. But the first
power stroke does not happen in the same time as
the second power stroke.

As a result, a different design of IC engine is needed
to get good efficiencies from these two power strokes
in this cycle.
Paul-R

Hi, As far as the information on the Joe Cell, it is my firm belief that someone is putting disinformation out on purpose, to discredit the technology . This BJ guy is so full of bull . I started working on the solutions to the Joe Cell and pretty much have it all worked out . By the way it's true name is a Grove Cell , invented by Sir William Robert Grove. Now I have some new theories to add to Faradays work. All I will say is that it seems to be based on the self-ionization of water, something scientist know very little about. I have to test all of my new theories first to make sure, but the math checks out so far. I will let everyone know the true workings of a grove cell when I am done with all of my testing .

very nice. i have to look that up now. i have read some of Joe's stuff but never heard of this. good job.

peace

Thanks, it took a lot of serching to tract down the true inventor, take a look at the cell in this old photo http://www.bioanalytical.com/info/calendar/97/grove.htm
It is clear to see just how it is conected in this drawing and notice too the neutral tube not hook up to anything. Sir William R. Grove is also credited with to the modern day fuel cell's. Was this guy bright or what? Anyways I am working on some new theories that should change the world. But this guy here has the best solution I have seen so far : http://waterengine.com.au/Video/WaterMotor.mp4, but I will keep up my work here for my technology can even aid to his to make it work better .