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Offline Jerry Volland

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Splitting The Positive (Ed Gray)
« on: April 05, 2021, 07:58:21 PM »

I've been a fan of Ed Gray's work for a good portion of my life.  I used to buy the national 'news' paper whenever there was a story about him, back in the '70s.  This was because I'm also an electrical experimenter.  After the Internet came out, I found out that he had some patents, and I noticed a couple of circuits I had previously discovered seemed to match some of what he showed in his diagram.  So I decided to start a 'parallel enginering' project, to see if I could replicate his lost art.  And I'm also an Open Source advocate, so I joined a variety of discussion groups, to present my findings.  Along the way, I picked up a ton of documentation, due to one of his investors, "GD" donating to our community his pictures of Gray's technology as it developed.  Here's how my participation started on this forum.


have you had any success in building the ed gray circuit?


I've had success with "splitting the positive", but not with Ed's published circuit.


This shows how much I knew at that time.  What I thought was "splitting the positive" had nothing to do with Gray's actual hardware.  And I didn't yet realize how close my circut was to matching Gray's diagram.


I've placed the basic circuit online.  There's no text, yet.  I also have other circuits and some hardware pictures I'll put up in the next few days.


http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments/pics/puffcir.jpg


The component at the top right is a defibrillator Inductor.  It's rated at 100 miliHenry.  It's sealed in Bakelite, and there may be insulation between the layers of the coil.  The top cap is 16mF at 7.5 kV.  The transformer is the secondary of a 7.5 kV NST.


To initiate the Puff Spark effect, pull the Inductor's wire away from the main arc, then touch the arc with the wire.  I keep the wire fastened to the end of a wooden dowel rod.  The positive side of both caps discharge through the transformer's arc, through different inductors.


For the White Spark, I placed the gradient plate around the first half of the main arc.  This stopped the arc, but still allowed - and accelerated - the Puff Spark.


What I called a Puff Spark was actually a Plasmoid, which is a self magnetised opaque Carbon plasma having surface tension.


The image link is now broken, so I'm attaching the picture, the effect, and the gradient plate, which I'll discuss later.

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Re: Splitting The Positive (Ed Gray)
« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2021, 10:23:38 PM »

Grays article on splitting the positive can be found here
https://www.freeenergyplanet.biz/energy-from-vacuum/grays-splitting-the-positive-pole-engine.html

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Re: Splitting The Positive (Ed Gray)
« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2021, 06:22:40 AM »


That's a good one; Gray enlisted in the Navy, as a radar technician at 15, after a previous stint in the Army, where he studied electronics.  He obviously had some kind of input, but, in reality, no one has ever been able to find any military records.  Even his own family doesn't know, saying only that Gray was "secretive about his inventions".  He did say that he learned how to split the positive in 1958.  He didn't say he discovered how to do it.  Someone must have told him.  This was long after any military time frame, so it's unlikely that he was a radar technician.


One reason for the lack of progress reclaiming Gray's technology is that there is a tremendous amount of misinformation out there.  People trying to dazzle everyone else with bs.


Sweet's VTA used cold electricity; his wires iced up.  Gray stated, in an interview, that he did NOT use cold energy.  He said the inside of his motor ran at around 175 degrees.


Also, an independent testing lab, hired by Bing Crosby, reported that Gray's motor coils had a 360 degree North Pole polarity.  Both ends, and all the sides were North Pole.  No South Pole, Superpole, or anything else.  Strictly a monopole.  And this was due to the kind of energy he was using.  I did an experiment with three coils arranged in a triangle, and they all blasted apart.  This can't be done if the coils have different poles at each end.  (The coils were wired in series, with one wire going to the first coil's input and the other wire going to the last coil's output.  It took a moment for the pulse to go around the ring.)


I'm attaching some pictures of Gray's demonstration bench showing a component connected to the Positive pole of his battery, with two outputs.  This is a dual wound inductor, with the outputs connected to the repulsion coils.  (Placed side by side).  This component splits the battery's positive 'signal' into two simultaneous pulses, so that both coils are energized at precisely the same instant, for maximum efficiency.  The patent identifies this inductor as coils 23 and 24 and specifies that they are "delay lines".  The delay lines were wrapped around the middle of the outside of the motor.  This dual wound inductor 'associates' two electromagnetic signals ("Electro Magnetic Association", or "EMA").  It doesn't say so in the patent, but this isn't all they do, based on my own personal experiments, together with photographic evidence.  So why did he have 'delay lines' on his bench, with no motor?  It's because they split the positive.



« Last Edit: April 06, 2021, 08:23:10 AM by Jerry Volland »

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Re: Splitting The Positive (Ed Gray)
« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2021, 06:22:40 AM »
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Re: Splitting The Positive (Ed Gray)
« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2021, 03:31:20 PM »
@ Jerry Volland

question...

What is the "positive", and what constitutes the splitting of it ?

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Re: Splitting The Positive (Ed Gray)
« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2021, 07:08:50 PM »
@ Jerry Volland

question...

What is the "positive", and what constitutes the splitting of it ?

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Positive is the potential.  In an electrical circuit, positive is the current which sweeps along a conductor, inciting electron drift in the opposite direction, locally.

With a magnet, positive is the North pole energy.

With the lumenoferrous 'chemical' Aether, positive is the dull red substance which curls at a 60 degree angle, expanding slightly as it travels, like a widening ribbon.. (This is not to be confused with the ZPE ether.  The difference between the two is that 'ether' is an acronym which stands for "energy turning higher, energy raising", while Aether stands for "after energy turns higher, energy raised".  Aether has an on-going existence, while ether is a momentary virtual particle flux. [I think everyone gets this part backwards]).

Splitting means separating into two or more paths.  These paths can be different branches of a circuit, but only one of these paths has to remain in the circuit.  For instance, with my Radiant Spark circuit, when the potential reaches the resistance near the end of a hot spark gap electrode, sparks will leave the conductor, flying off at a 90 degree angle, while some of the potential will still pass through the arc.  (Video coming soon).  With this circuit, the transformer is a MOT, the inductor is the primary of a second MOT, the capacitors are oven caps, the diode is also from a MW oven, and the spark gap electrodes are 1/8" stainless steel rods.  (Copper will melt).  During operation, the three point arc makes a loud metallic sound, due to longitudinal energy shaking the inductor's conductor end to end.  the characteristic frequency of the arc's sound will vary with different conductor materials.

Gray also used this form of 'splitting the positive', inside his Tesla Coil, and along the sides of his rotor.

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Re: Splitting The Positive (Ed Gray)
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Re: Splitting The Positive (Ed Gray)
« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2021, 05:30:41 AM »
Thanks for the quick reply.

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"Positive is the potential. 
End of quote


           Do you mean electric polarity ?
                            or
                 electric  potential ?   
                          as in
EMF as stated in units of the Volt ?
               and which motivates
electron flow away from a negative potential toward a more positive one ?

Quote

In an electrical circuit, positive is the current which sweeps along a conductor, inciting electron drift in the opposite direction, locally."
End of quote


Quote
Positive is the current
End of quote

What does that mean ?
The current of what ?

Quote
" inciting electron drift in the opposite direction, locally."
End of quote

inciting electron drift in the direction opposite to what ?

locally ?

I'm sorry but your explanation was not comprehensible by me.
Perhaps it is out of my league.
 
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Re: Splitting The Positive (Ed Gray)
« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2021, 06:10:13 AM »
@ Jerry Volland

NEXT...

The subject matter in these topics (Floors MMM-2 builders board) was originally presented
under the heading of the     "mechanic"     section of the O.U. forum / community. 

This board is now a  "builders board".  Meaning that it is for presentations of actual builds,
explanations of them, measurements and observations derived there from and so on.

        It content is primarily encapsulated within contexts of
force, distance, mechanical work, permanent magnets and so.  In other words projects
and experimentation in the context of ordinary / classical mechanics / physics and magnetism.

Although some discussions of theoreticals are inevitable and even needed within the stated
context, this is not the purpose for which I have started this part of the O.U. forum.

Although I find the subject of your topic interesting, I realize that it is out of place here.

I would like you to move it to some other part of the forum.

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Re: Splitting The Positive (Ed Gray)
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Re: Splitting The Positive (Ed Gray)
« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2021, 06:27:28 AM »
@Floor:
Textbooks teach that electrical current is positive.  Negative electron "drift" travels at a snail's pace, opposite to the positive potential, which travels at the velocity of light, in the conductive material.  Electron drift appears at every local point in the circuit, as soon as the positive potential sweeps past an individual point.  With AC, very little electrons actually leave the circuit.  The electrons vibrate back and forth, but only a small distance.

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Re: Splitting The Positive (Ed Gray)
« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2021, 06:45:53 AM »
Next, I am a Builder.  Here's one related video:
https://youtu.be/_wzrAFAz0eQ


You did say that other builders could post to your board.


But I would be more than happy to move my topic: just let me know how to start my own Builder's Board.  I searched around and couldn't' find any information about that.



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Re: Splitting The Positive (Ed Gray)
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Re: Splitting The Positive (Ed Gray)
« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2021, 07:01:40 AM »



When I first wired my Plasmoid circuit up and saw that it produced an interesting effect, I drew it out on some paper, thinking I could use it to explore Ed Gray's system, since we both were discharging a capacitor through an inductor.  I drew the circuit like the components were arranged on my bench.  And I used a generic, non polarized symbol for the caps.  However, I drew them so that the curved lines point towards the inductor each cap discharges through.  The curved lines represent the discharge direction, rather than polarity.


After some amount of time, I realized that when a big capacitor is charged through a smaller one, the small one will limit the charge on the larger one.  The only reason my circuit worked is because the small, home made cap had a lot of internal leakage, due to corona discharge from the sharp edges of the foil.  This self discharging allowed additional pulses to the larger cap.  The effect can't be replicated using a high quality cap with my circuit.  So I tried it without that one, and still got a Plasmoid effect.  So I quit using it.


Later, I finally got around to comparing my circuit - without the lower capacitor - with the one in Gray's patent.  Surprisingly, the two circuits are almost identical, with my circuit lacking only a capacitor from the diode's output, down to the transformer's return wire.


So it occurred to me that Gray might have developed his circuit by playing around the same way I did, together with some of his other knowledge.


I think this qualifies me to discuss his technology.  Especially since I've done additional, related experiments.

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Re: Splitting The Positive (Ed Gray)
« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2021, 07:08:42 AM »
@ Jerry Volland

Thank you.

For your convenience and for your troubles, please feel free
to continue your topic here until you have established your
topic else where, or until, 4/20/21 (two weeks).

  respectfully
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« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2021, 07:21:55 AM »
@ Jerry Volland

To Start a topic of ones own.

1. Home page
2. click the community button.
3. select a catagory that most fits, then clik on it
4. then click new and so on...

As you did to get your topic here.

Copy and past from here to there.

OR

for other options personal message user hartiberlin (Admin.)

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Re: Splitting The Positive (Ed Gray)
« Reply #12 on: April 09, 2021, 06:06:22 PM »

Here's a picture of my bench layout, showing the 1q3 vacuum tube diode, as well as a picture of the tear down of the tube I use to switch the magnetic energy.  At this point I'm not using Gray's one way energy path tube, but I'll dig it out later and post that vacuum tube's number.


This build has the overshoot arc inline with the Tube, as shown in the patent drawing.  This illustrates that the "proposed" Gray Tube has an arc on each end of the central electrode, which is consistent with Tesla's work.

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Be careful / test for / shield against X rays when using high voltsge
in a triode tube setup ....

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Re: Splitting The Positive (Ed Gray)
« Reply #14 on: April 09, 2021, 11:41:10 PM »
Notice that the Tube in the tear down picture is slightly different from the one in the other picture.  This is because, once I verified that it worked, I rebuilt the Tube, slightly expanding it to directly incorporate the Overshoot arc.  Eventually, this arc will have a third electrode, connected to the recovery battery and capacitor bank.


With Gray's motor, operating at 600 RPM, he was able to charge his capacitor bank 10 times per second.

 

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