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Title: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: TriKri on March 30, 2021, 12:27:50 AM
As the title says, has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works? If so, are there instructions to reproduce your build? I'm asking because it would be nice to hear from someone who has personal experience of a system and can verify that it works and produces more energy that it consumes.
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: NdaClouDzzz on March 30, 2021, 02:26:11 AM
Don't be stupid. Do some research and see what happens to free-energy inventors before you come here asking moronic questions! And don't by into shyster Ramset's spiel as his job here is to lure out free-energy inventors so that the MIB can shut them down. Many fakers here!
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: ramset on March 30, 2021, 02:01:26 PM
Writing lies perhaps makes you feel better , liable and slander are weak points of a discussion (and against the law !
And of course forum rules !

 Many times I asked you to write the sentence or two with the schematic and specs ( wire size,
Type , values ... etc etc and expectations ( in your claim of COP 2 or twice the output of input
Nobody ever made such a simple “Aboveunity”claim that actually worked here ..
(Of course you provided none of the above information... however a Member of your forum was helping a builder here ... seems you have forbidden it to continue?


And when persons could not get results... no help except abuse ...


Hateful words ... lies ( see above)


You run a forum over ten years now ? ... hiding life saving planet changing technologies?
Countless unimaginable consequences to our world and its inhabitants


While you played games at your forum “ huge billboards “ get aboveunity here easy peasy”
See all my members and their awards ( yes you actually gave “PUBLIC front page awards” ...no concern at all for members
And safety ?


But now it’s hush hush when person asks you to “open source”...write a sentence with directions and expected results !!


Billboards and Public awards are ok ( safe ? )..But sentence open sourcing ..is trouble ...??huh ?


Disruptive technologies are bursting out everywhere... unfortunately you need to be rich
(Elon Musk and now LAVO in Australia with hydrogen storage
Breakthrough on a water planet ....


The world races past those like yourself who hid techs and watched people die and planet pay the price ...


Is not time to run and hide .. ( or write lies) it’s time to run towards the need
And open source


Please share your simple COP 2 secret
Thousands have tried and failed ...


Show us how it works ?
No hundreds of pages of writing ( which you remove with hateful words when persons can’t replicate
Or find errors ( or have questions)in replications


Please share and stop the lies !!


Again here are some persons with worlds most disruptive technology... even more disruptive than Elon


https://lavo.com.au/ (https://lavo.com.au/)


You must be rich to afford it ....
please share your COP 2 simple claim


Let your good friend captain Loz help itsu ?
Explain why he can’t get it working ( thousand others have same problem)


Please !!
The world desperately needed this a decade ago ... and not one public replication that worked aboveunity ..


stop hiding it and share the secret!!


How many more extinctions and deaths ?


Help us to stop burning our atmosphere to make power
Choking our air and poisoning our oceans


Enuff!!


None of us are free
Till everyone of us are free!!


Like sunshine and air and water ... our world gives us these things open source...
It works for universe ...


It’s the model we must follow
Open source!!




Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: lancaIV on March 30, 2021, 02:19:58 PM
Infinitive : to wash  lavar               

                   I  wash  eu lavo ( as maos,o cerebro et cetera)

40 KWh as hydrogen converted to electricity = 2 days average australian private household consume

         or up to 2 months storage improved Mr.Chalko ' 0,8 eKWh/day'- consume

ramset,the question here is :
the metal sponge( material/weight) as storage related up to 4 billions private households global ?


Sustainable technology or ' humans triage ' !?

Peakoil,peakcopper,peaknickel,....!


Sincere
OCWL
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: ramset on March 30, 2021, 02:44:36 PM
Lanca
There was a member here shared a similar working principle with another gas!


He wrote of a material zeolite which absorbed propane gas
Back into liquid when exposed to it ( the zeolite)


Yes no power required and produced a phase change from gas to liquid


And released back again to gas with minute ( teensy) charge across zeolite!


It was part of a pap engine claim ?


Perhaps other materials for application mentioned ?


https://lavo.com.au/ (https://lavo.com.au/)


Respectfully
Chet K
Ps
Open source community needs this info...for education purposes !
Storing hydrogen at such huge energy density??


Absolutely amazing !!







Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: lancaIV on March 30, 2021, 02:52:36 PM
The lavo is an hydrogen metal alloy storage with fuel cell converter with 50% efficiency
 
https://www.ecogeneration.com.au/the-40kwh-34750-196kg-hydrogen-battery-for-the-home/ (https://www.ecogeneration.com.au/the-40kwh-34750-196kg-hydrogen-battery-for-the-home/)

20 000 charge cycles estimation !
Weight 196 Kg the storage , +- 324 Kg the total system
Price : $ 34.750 ,assuming Aussi -Dol(l)ar

$34750 /20 000 charge cycles/5 KW ~ € 0,3475/KWh


" .....  As with all first-of-its-kind gear the Lavo batteries are expensive, with a $34,750 price tag for the first model. Over time, and as efficiencies are further fine-tuned, Muller expects to the price will one day begin with a two. .... "

Probably more related hidrit material : Professor Aguey-Zinsou publications


https://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/alchemy-of-energy-breakthrough-offers-mass-hydrogen-storage-options-20200702-p558dj.html (https://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/alchemy-of-energy-breakthrough-offers-mass-hydrogen-storage-options-20200702-p558dj.html)


Professor Aguey-Zinsou said the alloy contained titanium and "other common materials", but declined to name them, pending the issuance of a formal patent expected within weeks.


https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0360319919318336 (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0360319919318336)

https://research.unsw.edu.au/people/professor-kondo-francois-aguey-zinsou/publications?page=1 (https://research.unsw.edu.au/people/professor-kondo-francois-aguey-zinsou/publications?page=1)




https://www.element14.com/community/groups/power-management/blog/2020/07/09/researchers-develop-a-system-that-could-store-large-amounts-of-electricity-in-the-form-of-hydrogen (https://www.element14.com/community/groups/power-management/blog/2020/07/09/researchers-develop-a-system-that-could-store-large-amounts-of-electricity-in-the-form-of-hydrogen)


It could potentially cost as low as 2 cents per kW-hour, or less than one-tenth the cost of lithium and buying power from the grid, which makes the storage very competitive. Converting electricity to hydrogen and back would "multiply the inefficiencies," and rapid take-up of the product shouldn't be expected


from $0,3475 to $0,02 the system endconsumer price has to decline to $2000
            Muller expects to the price will one day begin with a two. ....  ::)



Even $ 3475 would be too high for the below 80% worldwide private households !



Sincere
OCWL


For that value $3475 you can get the equivalent 5 KW output by

Imris magnet amplifier + Ramos Suarez or Tanaka Saburo battery charger and adgex.ru 25000 cycles Nickel-battery





https://permies.com/t/30590/Intermittent-Adsorption-Refrigerator (https://permies.com/t/30590/Intermittent-Adsorption-Refrigerator)


https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/read/6659809/hydrocarbon-technology-gtz
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: NdaClouDzzz on March 30, 2021, 07:46:00 PM
ur easy to fuk with, Ramset. And I'm not Chris! Bunch of dummies here who think so! 8)
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: lancaIV on March 30, 2021, 10:40:57 PM
As the title says, has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works? If so, are there instructions to reproduce your build? I'm asking because it would be nice to hear from someone who has personal experience of a system and can verify that it works and produces more energy that it consumes.




                                                          [0006] [0007]
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=CA&NR=2061962A1&KC=A1&FT=D&ND=3&date=19930828&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=CA&NR=2061962A1&KC=A1&FT=D&ND=3&date=19930828&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP)

https://www.osti.gov/biblio/6603890

Fenn resolves the dilemma when he states, Id. page 15, " work as not energy. Work is not 'possessed' by a system whereas Energy is.
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: AlienGrey on March 31, 2021, 05:13:03 AM



                                                          [0006] [0007]
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=CA&NR=2061962A1&KC=A1&FT=D&ND=3&date=19930828&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=CA&NR=2061962A1&KC=A1&FT=D&ND=3&date=19930828&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP)

https://www.osti.gov/biblio/6603890

Fenn resolves the dilemma when he states, Id. page 15, " work as not energy. Work is not 'possessed' by a system whereas Energy is.
Oh dreary me what went wrong that link doesn't work.
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: lancaIV on March 31, 2021, 11:58:33 AM
Good Morning ,AlienGrey !
Do You mean that the osti.gov link does not open John.B.Fenn his lecture book ?
Then You are right !
Btw : "free energy and overunity" expressions are (analytical electro-)chemistry related ,less Physics !
A little knowledge about Avogrado and Gay-Lussac experiments helps !
John Bennett Fenn ,for his special works awarded,Nobel Award,in Chemistry ( ionisation)  !
Another Chemistry awarded work,not by Mr.Fenn ,important for surplus energy results disclosure, "asymetrics" related !


Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: lancaIV on March 31, 2021, 12:30:01 PM
Chet,
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.oeko-energie.de%2Fenergieberatung%2F (https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.oeko-energie.de%2Fenergieberatung%2F)


Standart household             compared              SMART,economical household 


18 KWh                                                         +/-   3 KWh




down  to https://mtbest.net/energy-efficiency/ (https://mtbest.net/energy-efficiency/)   https://mtbest.net/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2021/03/household_efficiency.pdf (https://mtbest.net/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2021/03/household_efficiency.pdf)


                                                                     
This means that the Lavo system ( or other energetic solutions) can be easily appropriate dimensionized !


Actually : https://lavo.com.au/#specs (https://lavo.com.au/#specs)  Usable Capacity  40 kWh          Real Power, max continuous   5 kW (charge and discharge)


Instead 40 KWh storage 10 KWh or less !


And with Imris 5 KW rated output amplifier ,C.O.P. 8 apparent power to real power :






34750 AUS$ / 4 ( instead 40 KWh only 10 KWh storage) / 8 ( for C.O.P. 8  )  = linear 1086 AUS$ + 1125 Euros Imris amplifier




1 AUS$ = actually 0,75 US$   1 US$ = actually 0,85 Euro





or 34750 AUS$/ 8 =             linear 4343 AUS$ + 1125 Euros Imris amplifier


about "economy" and " bubble economics" :

https://www.theverge.com/2021/3/11/22325004/new-3d-printed-homes-austin-price-icon-housing (https://www.theverge.com/2021/3/11/22325004/new-3d-printed-homes-austin-price-icon-housing)


800 sqft for 10 000 US$                    or                      1000 sqft                            for      450 000 US$ price
                                                                               
from 3dmachine production view                                1000 sqft/800 sqft x 10 000 US$ =   12 500 US$ worth

34 750 AUS$ x 0,75 = 26 062,5 US$ Lavo system price
Paying for an energetic solution more than a new -social law appropriate-house worth ?

Social law : up to 4 capita family : 30,5 sqm basic function area + 9 sqm per capita = 66,5 sqm home area

Base for house/home credit  sum maximum avaliation !
800 sqft x 0,093 = 74,4 sqm home area = over 4 capita social law comfort !





The ICON low profit price per sqm does me not surprise :
Contour Crafting 3d tech build house 100 US$/sqmnon-profit canadian block-house style 50 Euros/sqmjovoto 300 US$ house competition

Not to misunderstand :
each one has the right to pay these 450 000 US$ for this new East Austin construction,
cash or by house/ground change

but only
12500 US$ x 0,8 x 0,8 = 8000 US$ are possible as credit participation by institutions ! A constitutional demand !

This is the "estate administration bubble" economy !

Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: stivep on March 31, 2021, 06:15:18 PM
quote:
Quote
Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
It is a problem  with semantics :
 Overunity  doesn't exist and will never exist.
If you call it  FE  Free energy than  that term  is describing deice that used   energy that is free of charge. like solar , wind,
 etc..
So if energy that is taken to conversion is converted into electricity than that energy  after initial cost of the  conversion device is free.
Wesley
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: skywatcher on March 31, 2021, 06:22:09 PM
quote: It is a problem  with semantics :
 Overunity  doesn't exist and will never exist.
If you call it  FE  Free energy than  that term  is describing deice that used   energy that is free of charge. like solar , wind,
 etc..
So if energy that is taken to conversion is converted into electricity than that energy  after initial cost of the  conversion device is free.
Wesley

Although solar and wind energy is 'free' it's not really what we are searching for on this forum.
So i would say: 'to convert energy which is available anywhere and anytime free of charge'.

And to answer the question: No, i have never seen a system according to this definition, and i doubt anyone on this forum ever has built one.
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: partzman on March 31, 2021, 09:28:43 PM
quote: It is a problem  with semantics :
 Overunity  doesn't exist and will never exist.
If you call it  FE  Free energy than  that term  is describing deice that used   energy that is free of charge. like solar , wind,
 etc..
So if energy that is taken to conversion is converted into electricity than that energy  after initial cost of the  conversion device is free.
Wesley

Actually, this is what THEY would have us believe!  OU is possible without violation of the laws of thermodynamics as we shall see sometime before the remainder of this year is complete.

Of course energy conversion can result in apparent free energy (solar) but true FE is possible!

Regards,
Pm
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: lancaIV on March 31, 2021, 09:46:03 PM
Who backed this expression ' overunity' ?
'free energy' is a Physics/Chemistry official and used expression/term !
The problem with free= unbonded energy = short  actio/reactio life in time unit


We need a.much mass f.e.    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9BV6nb79fA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9BV6nb79fA)     power/density ratio

                b. rare elements(precious) for amorphous alloys


                    f.e. https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickel (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickel)


                   rare ?


                   Nickel is required as a metal (https://acwjpkh4hshdfx4rexzvgeruni--de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Metalle) in small quantities; most of the production (https://acwjpkh4hshdfx4rexzvgeruni--de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Produktion) goes into the production of stainless steels (https://acwjpkh4hshdfx4rexzvgeruni--de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Rostfreier_Stahl) and nickel alloys (https://acwjpkh4hshdfx4rexzvgeruni--de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Nickellegierung) . Nickel is used in many specific and recognizable industrial (https://acwjpkh4hshdfx4rexzvgeruni--de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Industriegut) and consumer (https://acwjpkh4hshdfx4rexzvgeruni--de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Konsumgut) uses, including steel (https://acwjpkh4hshdfx4rexzvgeruni--de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Edelstahl) , Alnico (https://acwjpkh4hshdfx4rexzvgeruni--de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Alnico) - magnet (https://acwjpkh4hshdfx4rexzvgeruni--de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Magnet) , coins (https://acwjpkh4hshdfx4rexzvgeruni--de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/M%C3%BCnze) , rechargeable batteries (https://acwjpkh4hshdfx4rexzvgeruni--de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Batterie_(Elektrotechnik)) , e- guitar strings (https://acwjpkh4hshdfx4rexzvgeruni--de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Gitarrensaite) , microphone capsules (https://acwjpkh4hshdfx4rexzvgeruni--de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Mikrofonkapsel) , claddings on sanitary fittings (https://acwjpkh4hshdfx4rexzvgeruni--de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Sanit%C3%A4rtechnik)and special alloy (https://acwjpkh4hshdfx4rexzvgeruni--de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Legierung) such as permalloy (https://acwjpkh4hshdfx4rexzvgeruni--de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Permalloy), Elinvar (https://acwjpkh4hshdfx4rexzvgeruni--de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Elinvar) and Invar (https://acwjpkh4hshdfx4rexzvgeruni--de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Invar) . It is used for coating (https://acwjpkh4hshdfx4rexzvgeruni--de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Beschichten)and as a green tint in glass (https://acwjpkh4hshdfx4rexzvgeruni--de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Glas) .  The reserves of nickel deposits that can be mined from today's point of view are between 70 and 170 million tons. Currently, more than two million tonnes are extracted worldwide each year (2018: 2.4 million tonnes .

170 000 000 000 Kg / 4 000 000 000 private households ( by 11 Bio. habitants 2100) = 42,5 Kg per household


1950 Kg mass for 170 KW capacity , from this mass pure Nickel-part ?


https://adgex.com/docs/EnergyBRICK_teaser_en.pdf (https://adgex.com/docs/EnergyBRICK_teaser_en.pdf)  " INFINITE POWER SCALE-UP"  ???  INFINITE Nickel SOURCE ? ::)




for great W output per cbm or sqm or Kg or sec  : conventional industrial and private consume related  !




My elementar orientation : aluminium ,sodium and carbon (as graphit/graphene )  for coils/batteries/generator/motor/transformer
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: bistander on March 31, 2021, 09:52:42 PM
Actually, this is what THEY would have us believe!  OU is possible without violation of the laws of thermodynamics as we shall see sometime before the remainder of this year is complete.

Of course energy conversion can result in apparent free energy (solar) but true FE is possible!

Regards,
Pm

How many times have we heard that?
bi
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: NdaClouDzzz on March 31, 2021, 11:15:23 PM
quote: It is a problem  with semantics :
 Overunity  doesn't exist and will never exist.
If you call it  FE  Free energy than  that term  is describing deice that used   energy that is free of charge. like solar , wind,
 etc..
So if energy that is taken to conversion is converted into electricity than that energy  after initial cost of the  conversion device is free.
Wesley

Yep!
OverUnity implies a closed system. It goes against reasoning to think that you can take a 1 gallon jug of water and pour out more than one gallon of water.
There are clearly many OPEN systems that allow you to get more out of a system than what YOU put in, such as the well-known solar and wind generators. But when we talk of OPEN systems, are we really talking about OU? I think not. Why? Because the energy coming in from an open system is separate from what YOU put in, and is thus not part of the original input energy consideration. Yes, semantics!
Bottom line is that the establishment has created their own vocabulary to throw off would-be free-energy enthusiasts. Their goal is to make people think that free-energy is impossible, when in fact we see it all of the time. Take for example a sail boat. Far more energy is captured and transformed into power by the sail and boat than was used by the sailor to hoist the sail. In the free-energy world, this is what we are really trying to replicate. Don Smith's Ambient Energy Generator does just that. A small amount of electrons (the sailor) is used to create a large voltage (the sail) which attracts a large amount of electrons from earth ground (wind) that gets transformed into energy/power far exceeding that used to start the process. The amount of electrons coming from ground are equal to the voltage used to attract them, not the small amount of electrons used to create the voltage. Just like the amount of wind captured by the sail is equal to the sail size, not the energy used by the sailor to hoist the sail.
So ignoring the establishments RED HERRING language like overunity, etc, should be the first step in any free-energy enthusiasts journey!
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: stivep on March 31, 2021, 11:33:09 PM
Dear fellow researchers.
 Few Myths Debunked.
As much as you and I will like to see overunity or ..."something for nothing"...
-we need to understand that :
-physics is based on models.

________________________________
The "Holy Grail" of modern physics is reality based on models.
Physics  doesn't recognize gods, miraculous powers that provide happiness, eternal youth or sustenance in infinite abundance...
Physics doesn't deal with  devils, , angels, politics, racial, gender inequality, sexual orientation... or any of such stories.
Physics doesn't have soul, feelings, emotions, or such...
Physics is one of  sciences..
Darwin  proved  that we are animals belonging to mammals  and that is  model that was never  proven otherwise-
(in circumstances different from those present or considered)
Einstein proved  his theory of relativity and  all progress in its physical  form  started from there.
Proof  is  an evidence or argument establishing a fact or the truth of a statement.
in physics consequent  proven followup of the theory creates model that  becomes stronger with time as is exercised by number of other  researchers.
If model  becomes outdated or inconvenient based on reality  of the given present time we change it for the new one..
but  history of moderns science doesn't  see such events much  yet.
___________________________________________

As much as you may disagree with my statement  physics doesn't care much...
 
Who backed this expression ' overunity' ?
'free energy' is a Physics/Chemistry official and used expression/term !


Overunity          -  doesn't exist  and will never exist and is laughable as a term.
Perpetual Motion-  is not important to us if was ever  in existence .. it is like spending 1 dollar to gain 1 dollar...
Free Energy       -  exist but  for us this wording is just an abbreviation and has nothing  to do with  mentioned by lancaIV chemistry descriptor.


 
but for us  to do not get lost in the nonsense - we need  some sort of abbreviation for.. what we do.
and we use word: FREE ENERGY.. as we can prove that  energy can be free to us
But  of course ,that energy must have its  own origin too.
and all of it is  because of  the LAW: Energy can't be created nor destroyed..

Wesley
 
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: AlienGrey on April 01, 2021, 12:55:22 AM
Free energy costs to produce so  how is it free ?

The easiest way to increase yield is to change an unstable energy into it's unstable state

With out giving an idea away it's already been done, you need to think how you can do just that

the twist is you already have it so again stop thinking like Marconi and think more like Tesla

PS The Tesla car is a joke some where along the line you have to burn stuff to run the electric car
or show me a car that’s American and self charging !
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: stivep on April 01, 2021, 01:06:11 AM

Dear fellow researchers.
 Few Myths Debunked.
As much as you and I will like to see overunity or ..."something for nothing"...
-we need to understand that :
-physics is based on models.

________________________________
The "Holy Grail" of modern physics is reality based on models.
Physics  doesn't recognize gods, miraculous powers that provide happiness, eternal youth or sustenance in infinite abundance...
Physics doesn't deal with  devils, , angels, politics, racial, gender inequality, sexual orientation... or any of such stories.
Physics doesn't have soul, feelings, emotions, or such...
Physics is one of  sciences..
Darwin  proved  that we are animals belonging to mammals  and that is  model that was never  proven otherwise-
(in circumstances different from those present or considered)
Einstein proved  his theory of relativity and  all progress in its physical  form  started from there.
Proof  is  an evidence or argument establishing a fact or the truth of a statement.
in physics consequent  proven followup of the theory creates model that  becomes stronger with time as is exercised by number of other  researchers.
If model  becomes outdated or inconvenient based on reality  of the given present time we change it for the new one..
but  history of moderns science doesn't  see such events much  yet.
___________________________________________

As much as you may disagree with my statement  physics doesn't care much...
 

Overunity          -  doesn't exist  and will never exist and is laughable as a term.
Perpetual Motion-  is not important to us if was ever  in existence .. it is like spending 1 dollar to gain 1 dollar...
Free Energy       -  exist but  for us this wording is just an abbreviation and has nothing  to do with  mentioned by lancaIV chemistry descriptor.


 
but for us  to do not get lost in the nonsense - we need  some sort of abbreviation for.. what we do.
and we use word: FREE ENERGY.. as we can prove that  energy can be free to us
But  of course ,that energy must have its  own origin too.
and all of it is  because of  the LAW: Energy can't be created nor destroyed..

Wesley
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: partzman on April 01, 2021, 01:35:44 AM
There are many preconceived ideas and notions regarding how excess energy can be generated.......or not.  To really understand how such a task may be accomplished, one must first understand how our electrical components interact with the aether.  A simple coil for example.  Is there a difference between dynamic and steady states in an inductor?  If so, how can these differences be utilized?

Thinking outside the box is mandatory and this box includes formal education.  They don't teach what they don't want you to know!

Regards,
Pm

Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: Floor on April 01, 2021, 02:35:47 AM
                                                              SOME DEFINITIONS
                                                            Excerpts From Wikipedia   


"Energy is a property of objects, transferable among them via fundamental interactions,
which can be converted in form but not created or destroyed.  The joule is the SI unit
of energy, based on the amount transferred to an object by the mechanical work of
moving it 1 meter against a force of 1 newton.[1]"

Below are some excerpts from the above definitiion (February 2016). These words are the
subjects of other Wikipedia topic excerpts.

The "SI"  is le Système International d'Unités or the International System of Units.

PHYSICAL PROPERTY: "A physical property is any  property that is measurable, whose
value describes a state of a physical system."

STATE “In classical mechanics, state is a complete description of a system in terms of
parameters such as positions and momentums at a particular moment in time

PHYSICAL SYSTEM : "a physical system is the portion of the physical universe chosen
for analysis.  Everything outside the system is known as the environment, which in
analysis is ignored except for its affects on the system. The cut between system and
the world is a free choice, generally made to simplify the analysis as much as possible.”

OBJECT: “In physics, a physical body or physical object (sometimes simply called a body
or object) is a collection of matter with some common attributes, most important, the
spatial location. Examples of models of physical bodies include, but are not limited to
a particle, several interacting smaller bodies (particles or other), and continuous media."

TRANSFERABLE: "In the physical sciences, an energy transfer or 'energy exchange' from
one system to another is said to occur when an amount of energy crosses the boundary
between them, thus increasing the energy content of one system while decreasing the
energy content of the other system by the same amount."

BOUNDARY:  (from the Wikipedia topic titled system and the sub heading system concepts)
“System theory views the world as a complex system of interconnected parts. We scope a
system by defining its boundary this means choosing which entities are inside the system
and which are outside – part of the environment. We then make simplified representations
(models) of the system in order to understand it and to predict or impact its future behavior.
These models may define the structure and/or the behavior of the system.”

MATTER: "Matter is a poorly defined term in science (see definitions below). The term has
often been used in reference to a substance (often a particle) that has rest mass. Matter
is also used loosely as a general term for the substance that makes up all observable
physical objects. [1][2]”

FUNDAMENTAL INTERACTIONS :  "Also called fundamental forces or interactive forces,
are modeled in fundamental physics as patterns of relations in physical systems,
evolving over time, that are not (beneficially) reducible to relations among more basic
entities (at prevalent energy scales).  Four fundamental interactions are conventionally
recognized on empirical evidence: gravitational, electromagnetic, strong nuclear, and
weak nuclear."

CONVERTED : "Energy transformation or energy conversion is the process of changing
one form of energy to another.“


                                                           SOME DEFINITIONS
                                                        Omissions from Wikipedia

The words destroyed and created are not topics for articles in Wikipedia.  However these
words are frequently used in many of Wikipedia's science articles.  Some small and
exemplary accounting of their usage is given below

The word destroyed is used 3 times in the article "Matter", 6 times in the article "Mass Energy
equivalence", 7 times in the article "Energy", 1 time in the article "Energy transformation"
and 3 times in the article titled "Mass".

The word created is used 6 times in the article "Matter", 2 times in the article "Mass
Energy equivalence", 6 times in the article "Energy",  2 times in the article "Energy
transformation" and 1 time in the article titled "Mass".
 
The online Oxford dictionary was lacking these definitions (in the context of physics) as well.
      ...   ...   ...   ...   ...   

                       For so long as one is willing to change the definition of energy
                                         one can also "prove" that energy is conserved

The following brief paragraph is a quotation from the Wikipedia article the
“Conservation of energy”.  It is excerpted from a section of that article which is
titled Noether's theorem.

“Since any time-varying system can be embedded within a larger time-invariant system
(with the exception of the universe), conservation can always be recovered by a suitable
re-definition of what energy is and extending the scope of your system."

                                                              SOME DEFINITIONS
                                                           Excerpts From Wikipedia   

(The following paragraph is also an excerpt from the Wikipedia article titled "Matter").

"Albert Einstein showed that ultimately all matter is capable of being converted to energy
(known as mass-energy equivalence) by the famous formula E = mc2,"

                                                                      ENERGY                                                                       

Energy, what a concept !  What it is essentially, I have never found an explanation of, and
I doubt that anyone is actually capable of making such an explanation.  It may be that we
possess neither the words nor the understanding for such an explanation. 

The concept of energy, for the most part is derived from observation of the physical changes
that occur when energy is transferred between two bodies or systems.  It might be said
that energy has only ever been defined through describing the affects it has.

The affects energy will have when it is expressed or transferred between two objects has
been studied, measured and recorded, with extreme accuracy and precision, countless times
and in innumerable ways.  A great deal is known about energy in this respect. 

Following are examinations of the definitions of energy and work from two of my old
dictionaries.

Webster's New World Dictionary 1956

energy: the capacity for doing work and overcoming resistance

work: the  transference of force from one body, or system to another, measured by the
product of the force and the amount of displacement in the line of force.

The American College Dictionary 1947 / 1948

energy: the property of a system which diminishes, when the system does work on
any other system, by an amount equal to the work so done.

work: the transference of energy from one body or system to another.

It is interesting to note that the Webster's definitions, energy and work are defined by
each other.  Except that the word force is used in place of the word energy in the definition
of work.  Note that a force is an expression of energy that is causing any object to undergo
a change, in its movement, direction, or geometrical construction.

The American College definition of energy says that energy is a property of a system.  This
is an interesting beginning for the definition, in light of  the fact that any physical system
is composed entirely of energy, 100% so.  Matter is composed entirely of energy and I
think that probably energy is also.  Although perhaps energy is composed of some sort of
information that organizes it ?  Even if this is so, the dictionary definitions stand unaffected. 

So to continue.......

energy: "the property of a system"
                  Therefore energy is the property of energy or, energy is the property of it's self.

                      "which diminishes"

Energy is a property that diminishes.  We can safely assume that this diminishing is not
caused by the destruction of energy (else all hell should break loose).  It must therefore be
that this diminishing is either transformation or transfer. I'm guessing that transference is
the cause of the diminishing and will interpret it as such. 

                    which transfers

                    "when this system"
                     when this energy

                    "does work"
                     transfers energy
 
                   "on any other system"
                    to any other energy

                   "by an amount equal to the work so done"
                    by an amount equal to the energy so transferred

And now the complete interpretation.

Energy is the property of energy that transfers, when this energy transfers energy to any
other energy by an amount equal to the energy so transferred.

The only questions I'm left with at this point are:

1 Does it require an expenditure of energy in order for energy to transfer it's self ?
2 Is transference the expenditure of energy or is it rather that, energy IS transference ?

Definitions of energy by the use of terminology such as "fundamental interactions", make
the rabbit hole deeper, but the same questions remain unanswered.  An interaction is an
energy exchange, even if it is "fundamental", and even if it does violate conservation.


...........   ...........     ................


Fundamentally, energy is a concept and an abstraction.  As such it cannot be measured. 
It can only be derived or inferred and most certainly it cannot be conserved. 

Force and displacement can be measured.  I find, for example, in magnet interactions
(in which work input is equal to work output) no indications as to why it should be
considered as absolute that magnets can do no net work, but rather quite the contrary.

Neither do I see any reason why two magnets causing net work would be a violation of the
"law" of conservation of "energy".  I think rather instead, conservation is mostly
misunderstood.  Almost universally and certainly automatically, specific projections and
assumptions are made which are not actually inherent within Newton's laws of motion nor
that bastard child, which the law of conservation of energy is.

There is a thing which we call a vacuum.  There is no such thing as a perfect vacuum.
Within a vacuum chamber the odds are very high, that there are at least some few atoms
of gas remaining.  Within a vacuum chamber we find also, that there are radio waves,
magnetic fields, gravity, other things, and possibly dark matter or even zero point energy
as well.  There is no place known to mankind in which in can be demonstrated that there is "nothing". 

How then is it, that science should even conceive of it, consider its existence as real
or consider that "nothing" could have any effect upon or significance to anything that is
real ? 

The idea of nothingness is rather like a notion from a child's fairy tale, except perhaps that the
tale of nothingness is seldom looked at objectively and has no moral. 

Energy cannot be created or destroyed, it can only be transformed ?  The idea that energy
or that energy as matter can either spring from "nothing" or become "nothing" is from
any truly scientific perspective silly.  It is barely merits consideration because .....
                   there is no such thing as "nothing" !
How then is it that this seemingly key scientific concept (conservation) hangs from such a
shabby frame work ? 
                          Conservation's contribution to Newton's observations is as nothing ?.


The only functions the  "laws" of conservation have are as:

             1. Newton's observations.
             2. distraction from the one of the few facts known, which is that all answers lead to yet         
                 more questions, or else ..... they lead to dogma.

                             smile .......

Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: stivep on April 01, 2021, 02:37:24 AM
There are many preconceived ideas and notions regarding how excess energy can be generated.......or not. 
To really understand how such a task may be accomplished, one must first understand how our electrical components interact with the aether. 
Thinking outside the box is mandatory and this box includes formal education. 
They don't teach what they don't want you to know!
Regards,
Pm
My dear friend.
Eather/aether  doesn't exist . Never existed  and will never exist. it is outdated concept.
explained here :
https://youtu.be/7Ldus3AQSpE  (https://youtu.be/7Ldus3AQSpE)
WHAT IS TRUE IN  Free Energy
_____________________
My tests led me to  this video :
https://youtu.be/He5xQOJHlrU  (https://youtu.be/He5xQOJHlrU)
Part 2 The Corum and Zenneck Surface Wave guide to  energy transfer
it will send you to  few more videos too if  interested.


A simple coil for example.  Is there a difference between dynamic and steady states in an inductor? 
If so, how can these differences be utilized?
https://www.murata.com/~/media/webrenewal/tool/library/spectre/note_dynamic-model_i101e.ashx?la=en-us (https://www.murata.com/~/media/webrenewal/tool/library/spectre/note_dynamic-model_i101e.ashx?la=en-us)

another way to look at it is  :
Concept of Transient State and Steady State
after some time, i.e. when coil voltage drop is equal to applied voltage, then current flowing through the circuit is constant
as inductor voltage is zero which means rate of change of current is zero.
This state is called Steady State.

from all properties of Transient  state   the important is :
transient time:
it is the time it takes for a coil as complex  reactive  circuit  having imaginary  LC+physical R  to change from one steady state to the next.
the imaginary value  of LC is  inductive and capacitive reactance of the coil as the components of total impedance equation.
_________________________
Wesley
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: AlienGrey on April 01, 2021, 03:14:08 AM
Wesley if there is no such thing as zero point energy, then how or what did you generate in Lithuanian experiment
how or where did the energy come from your group generated and how come Bedini, Adrian Gustov, Akula and others
were reported as murdered over there inventions, explain that one please  :'( :'(
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: Floor on April 01, 2021, 03:19:23 AM
                                                              SOME DEFINITIONS
                                                            Excerpts From Wikipedia   


"Energy is a property of objects, transferable among them via fundamental interactions,
which can be converted in form but not created or destroyed.  The joule is the SI unit
of energy, based on the amount transferred to an object by the mechanical work of
moving it 1 meter against a force of 1 newton.[1]"

Below are some excerpts from the above definitiion (February 2016). These words are the
subjects of other Wikipedia topic excerpts.

The "SI"  is le Système International d'Unités or the International System of Units.

PHYSICAL PROPERTY: "A physical property is any  property that is measurable, whose
value describes a state of a physical system."

STATE “In classical mechanics, state is a complete description of a system in terms of
parameters such as positions and momentums at a particular moment in time

PHYSICAL SYSTEM : "a physical system is the portion of the physical universe chosen
for analysis.  Everything outside the system is known as the environment, which in
analysis is ignored except for its affects on the system. The cut between system and
the world is a free choice, generally made to simplify the analysis as much as possible.”

OBJECT: “In physics, a physical body or physical object (sometimes simply called a body
or object) is a collection of matter with some common attributes, most important, the
spatial location. Examples of models of physical bodies include, but are not limited to
a particle, several interacting smaller bodies (particles or other), and continuous media."

TRANSFERABLE: "In the physical sciences, an energy transfer or 'energy exchange' from
one system to another is said to occur when an amount of energy crosses the boundary
between them, thus increasing the energy content of one system while decreasing the
energy content of the other system by the same amount."

BOUNDARY:  (from the Wikipedia topic titled system and the sub heading system concepts)
“System theory views the world as a complex system of interconnected parts. We scope a
system by defining its boundary this means choosing which entities are inside the system
and which are outside – part of the environment. We then make simplified representations
(models) of the system in order to understand it and to predict or impact its future behavior.
These models may define the structure and/or the behavior of the system.”

MATTER: "Matter is a poorly defined term in science (see definitions below). The term has
often been used in reference to a substance (often a particle) that has rest mass. Matter
is also used loosely as a general term for the substance that makes up all observable
physical objects. [1][2]”

FUNDAMENTAL INTERACTIONS :  "Also called fundamental forces or interactive forces,
are modeled in fundamental physics as patterns of relations in physical systems,
evolving over time, that are not (beneficially) reducible to relations among more basic
entities (at prevalent energy scales).  Four fundamental interactions are conventionally
recognized on empirical evidence: gravitational, electromagnetic, strong nuclear, and
weak nuclear."

CONVERTED : "Energy transformation or energy conversion is the process of changing
one form of energy to another.“


                                                           SOME DEFINITIONS
                                                        Omissions from Wikipedia

The words destroyed and created are not topics for articles in Wikipedia.  However these
words are frequently used in many of Wikipedia's science articles.  Some small and
exemplary accounting of their usage is given below

The word destroyed is used 3 times in the article "Matter", 6 times in the article "Mass Energy
equivalence", 7 times in the article "Energy", 1 time in the article "Energy transformation"
and 3 times in the article titled "Mass".

The word created is used 6 times in the article "Matter", 2 times in the article "Mass
Energy equivalence", 6 times in the article "Energy",  2 times in the article "Energy
transformation" and 1 time in the article titled "Mass".
 
The online Oxford dictionary was lacking these definitions (in the context of physics) as well.
      ...   ...   ...   ...   ...   

                       For so long as one is willing to change the definition of energy
                                         one can also "prove" that energy is conserved

The following brief paragraph is a quotation from the Wikipedia article the
“Conservation of energy”.  It is excerpted from a section of that article which is
titled Noether's theorem.

“Since any time-varying system can be embedded within a larger time-invariant system
(with the exception of the universe), conservation can always be recovered by a suitable
re-definition of what energy is and extending the scope of your system."

                                                              SOME DEFINITIONS
                                                           Excerpts From Wikipedia   

(The following paragraph is also an excerpt from the Wikipedia article titled "Matter").

"Albert Einstein showed that ultimately all matter is capable of being converted to energy
(known as mass-energy equivalence) by the famous formula E = mc2,"

                                                                      ENERGY                                                                       

Energy, what a concept !  What it is essentially, I have never found an explanation of, and
I doubt that anyone is actually capable of making such an explanation.  It may be that we
possess neither the words nor the understanding for such an explanation.

The concept of energy, for the most part is derived from observation of the physical changes
that occur when energy is transferred between two bodies or systems.  It might be said
that energy has only ever been defined through describing the affects it has.

The affects energy will have when it is expressed or transferred between two objects has
been studied, measured and recorded, with extreme accuracy and precision, countless times
and in innumerable ways.  A great deal is known about energy in this respect.

Following are examinations of the definitions of energy and work from two of my old
dictionaries.

Webster's New World Dictionary 1956

energy: the capacity for doing work and overcoming resistance

work: the  transference of force from one body, or system to another, measured by the
product of the force and the amount of displacement in the line of force.

The American College Dictionary 1947 / 1948

energy: the property of a system which diminishes, when the system does work on
any other system, by an amount equal to the work so done.

work: the transference of energy from one body or system to another.

It is interesting to note that the Webster's definitions, energy and work are defined by
each other.  Except that the word force is used in place of the word energy in the definition
of work.  Note that a force is an expression of energy that is causing any object to undergo
a change, in its movement, direction, or geometrical construction.

The American College definition of energy says that energy is a property of a system.  This
is an interesting beginning for the definition, in light of  the fact that any physical system
is composed entirely of energy, 100% so.  Matter is composed entirely of energy and I
think that probably energy is also.  Although perhaps energy is composed of some sort of
information that organizes it ?  Even if this is so, the dictionary definitions stand unaffected.

So to continue.......

energy: "the property of a system"
                  Therefore energy is the property of energy or, energy is the property of it's self.

                      "which diminishes"

Energy is a property that diminishes.  We can safely assume that this diminishing is not
caused by the destruction of energy (else all hell should break loose).  It must therefore be
that this diminishing is either transformation or transfer. I'm guessing that transference is
the cause of the diminishing and will interpret it as such.

                    which transfers

                    "when this system"
                     when this energy

                    "does work"
                     transfers energy
 
                   "on any other system"
                    to any other energy

                   "by an amount equal to the work so done"
                    by an amount equal to the energy so transferred

And now the complete interpretation.

Energy is the property of energy that transfers, when this energy transfers energy to any
other energy by an amount equal to the energy so transferred.

The only questions I'm left with at this point are:

1 Does it require an expenditure of energy in order for energy to transfer it's self ?
2 Is transference the expenditure of energy or is it rather that, energy IS transference ?

Definitions of energy by the use of terminology such as "fundamental interactions", make
the rabbit hole deeper, but the same questions remain unanswered.  An interaction is an
energy exchange, even if it is "fundamental", and even if it does violate conservation.


...........   ...........     ................


Fundamentally, energy is a concept and an abstraction.  As such it cannot be measured.
It can only be derived or inferred and most certainly it cannot be conserved.

Force and displacement can be measured.  I find, for example, in magnet interactions
(in which work input is equal to work output) no indications as to why it should be
considered as absolute that magnets can do no net work, but rather quite the contrary.

Neither do I see any reason why two magnets causing net work would be a violation of the
"law" of conservation of "energy".  I think rather instead, conservation is mostly
misunderstood.  Almost universally and certainly automatically, specific projections and
assumptions are made which are not actually inherent within Newton's laws of motion nor
that bastard child, which the law of conservation of energy is.

There is a thing which we call a vacuum.  There is no such thing as a perfect vacuum.
Within a vacuum chamber the odds are very high, that there are at least some few atoms
of gas remaining.  Within a vacuum chamber we find also, that there are radio waves,
magnetic fields, gravity, other things, and possibly dark matter or even zero point energy
as well.  There is no place known to mankind in which in can be demonstrated that there is "nothing".

How then is it, that science should even conceive of it, consider its existence as real
or consider that "nothing" could have any effect upon or significance to anything that is
real ?

The idea of nothingness is rather like a notion from a child's fairy tale, except perhaps that the
tale of nothingness is seldom looked at objectively and has no moral.

Energy cannot be created or destroyed, it can only be transformed ?  The idea that energy
or that energy as matter can either spring from "nothing" or become "nothing" is from
any truly scientific perspective silly.  It is barely merits consideration because .....
                   there is no such thing as "nothing" !
How then is it that this seemingly key scientific concept (conservation) hangs from such a
shabby frame work ?
                          Conservation's contribution to Newton's observations is as nothing ?.


The only functions the  "laws" of conservation have are as:

             1. Newton's observations.
             2. distraction from the one of the few facts known, which is that all answers lead to yet         
                 more questions, or else ..... they lead to dogma.

                             smile .......
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: stivep on April 01, 2021, 04:26:47 AM
Wesly if there is no such thing as zero point energy, then how or what did you generate in lithuainian experiment
how or where did the energy come from your group generated and how come Badini, Adrian Gustov, Akula and others
were reported as murdered over there inventions, explain that one please  :'( :'(

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-point_energy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-point_energy)
zero point energy
__________________________________________________
how or what did you generate in lithuainian experiment
We generated  subsequently  ~60W than ~300W than ~680W  than ~1kW at output.
I'm not sure if we could call it 1kW/h as we didn't run  it for an hour.

the energy origin was  assigned to NMR phenomena in that special  ferrite Yoke from Russian TV Rubin that was doped with
some isotopes
__________________________

Another experiment I have made :
1. I Took two  half's of C  shape ferrite.
2. I winded on  first  C  some winding e.g 200 winds at  gauge  20.
3. wind on second C  the same
4. I put the C together creating closed core of rectangular shape with two separate windings . one on the left the other on the right .
5. next step is  to make sure that   both C are  vertical  but could be horizontal too. I  placed them vertical. (one on the left the other on the right .)
6. now I  separated the halves of the  ferrite  so in the middle I have a gap  like 0.7cm at upper  and lower half. ( distance is not critical the smaller the better.
7. I placed two round small flat discs of magnets at upper gap and at lower gap I might  also  use electrical tape or little  glue but  magnets must  contact the flat  square cross section of  each ferrite.
8. I placed  in both gaps in the middle  the small isotope   from  smoke detectors the  bigger  the better.
9.  I played  with polarity of magnets and distance between halves ( the smaller gap the better.)
10. small  LED can be  connected to one of windings  but   I used 10W tungsten Light bulb.
11.than I tried   to  short and open  one winding
 while that  winding  is interrupted  the lightbulb connected  to another winding  will light up.
___________________________________________________
the configuration  from above will work  as well with just  one single winding  on just one C  shape half of the ferrite core.
while the second halve C shape of ferrite has no winding at all.
In this configuration I achieved steady  glow of 10W tungsten lamp.
But  I  used slightly  bigger and different isotope.
Note: If there is only one winding than there is nothing to short.
___________________________________________________
So it must be some variables for it to work..
Yes..
bombardment..
the delta T between  each  particle  ...

________________________________________________________

Another better   way is to play with beryllium  window
read what happens when alpha particle hits  beryllium plate .
https://www.scienceforums.net/topic/6237-beryllium-9-gets-hit-by-alpha/ (https://www.scienceforums.net/topic/6237-beryllium-9-gets-hit-by-alpha/)
This  thing  makes huge difference in power out. Yes..  I mean huge...
and word huge is even to small here.

SO NOW THINK.. think my friends.....
THAT THIS FERRITE FROM Russian TV Rubin HAD BERYLLIUM DOPING.....in it..but  even worse than that .. it had something else..
And that was a reason we stopped to  play with it..
But Arunas still  doesn't know why I  gave up on it.



Don't ask me more about it  I already  said to much..
This   is not  for general public  although  license  is not required for old type of  Americium  sources from old smoke detectors.

Wesley

PS: I explained Lithuania experiment many times..
The variables were given by two 1W generators.. for more information go to  T 1000 Arunas.
 He is mastermind in it.. and he is on this forum.


Legal note:
I don't  recommend   to any one to use it or play with it .
 I kept my post in   language that is  using words : I do,
I try, I make..
avoiding any direct form of  me suggesting  to anyone to play with it.
 
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: lancaIV on April 01, 2021, 12:33:03 PM
AlienGrey,'free energy' has nothing to do with monetary meanings !
Free energie is - in nano time units - shortly ' unbonded' energy !
From second unit view relatively fast recombination= re-bonding !
Cause this future converter works in THz level and beyond !



Free energy can be also the result from natural/enforced elementar decay !
Nuclear energy ! And in electricity/electron-gas/ion-gas/plasma is nuclear actio/reactio inside !


 Sincere
OCWL
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: stivep on April 01, 2021, 02:19:48 PM
how or what did you generate in lithuainian experiment ?
how or where did the energy come from your group ?
 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-point_energy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-point_energy)
zero point energy
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how or what did you generate in lithuainian experiment
We generated  subsequently  ~60W than ~300W than ~680W  than ~1kW at output.
I'm not sure if we could call it 1kW/h as we didn't run  it for an hour.

the energy origin was  assigned to NMR phenomena in that special  ferrite Yoke from Russian TV Rubin that was doped with
some isotopes
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 to understand this you need to read carefully that:
https://overunity.com/18815/has-anyone-here-constructed-an-overunity-system-that-works/msg556423/#msg556423 (https://overunity.com/18815/has-anyone-here-constructed-an-overunity-system-that-works/msg556423/#msg556423)
( my post from above)
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//....were reported as murdered over there inventions, explain that one please//  :'( :'(

As far as  murders and Putin   in this case...
Every country has enough money to test crazy ideas.
Every country has its own patent office
Every country  government  is a power of its own  on their own territory.
Most of them already have tested  some forms of FE
 the Lithuania Experiment , 1kW   Out      https://youtu.be/gKkcdfSdt5Q?t=1061 (https://youtu.be/gKkcdfSdt5Q?t=1061) 
 the Harold COLMAN & Ronald GILLESPIE  1kW out    Power Generator http://rexresearch.com/colman/colman.htm (http://rexresearch.com/colman/colman.htm)
 the  Hendershot  device .. few hundreds  W.

all of the concepts can  be look at its similarities.
-the  set of the same mechanisms is taking place there
despite  what isotope did you use  against  Beryllium window or doping or  ....
https://youtu.be/0xXZT7YQDE8?t=512 (https://youtu.be/0xXZT7YQDE8?t=512)
_____________________________________

Governments don't need you to interfere  so  at first you are donor of information and experience
and the next thing is to make you silent.
Unless  "they" are to late ...
or        "they"   can't touch you as  than  information  will be released  to general public.

Wesley
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: partzman on April 01, 2021, 04:46:29 PM
If I may, I'll share a true story about a conversation I had years ago with one Bill Wampler.  Bill has now passed on but his work continues as far as I know.  I became aware of Bill thru a family relative who knew I was working on such devices but she would not even give me a number to call but rather told me that Bill would contact me if he so desired.  Two weeks or so passed and I did receive a call from Bill and we talked for over an hour about his work.

Bill made millions manufacturing desalination equipment that he supplied worldwide.  He re-invested into a small discrete and very private and secure R&D firm to research FE.  Long story short, they developed and manufactured a ~10kW black box that they gave away to poor 3rd world countries that needed electricity to purify water, etc.  I quizzed him why he didn't market the product commercially and he said the governments wouldn't allow that to happen.  During their development stages, they were raided by the ATF (because one of his employees told a friend about their work) and they confiscated all documentation and prototypes.  They fortunately kept redundant records and materials so were able to continue on after relocation.

I of course questioned him on the theory of operation and all he would give for details was the fact that it was solid state with no moving parts and needed a battery to start.  Once running, it was a stand alone generator.

I will never forget what he told me about the basics however.  He stated that energy was all around us all the time and the first problem was to figure out how to collect or cohere it!  The second problem was to figure out how to control it.  He said the second problem was the most difficult for them to solve!

Now I'm not sure Wesley, but this sure sounds like energy extraction from the aether to me!

I would also like to ask a question of anybody here,  when I energize an inductor with di/dt, exactly what is happening?  I mean, what is induction or inductance?  Hint-what is 'S' flow?

Regards,
Pm
 
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: partzman on April 01, 2021, 04:57:41 PM
I would also like to share a concept that would be the basis for a FE device in the attached pdf.

Regards,
Pm
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: stivep on April 01, 2021, 05:47:04 PM
Energy cannot be created or destroyed, it can only be transformed ?  The idea that energy
or that energy as matter can either spring from "nothing" or become "nothing" is from
any truly scientific perspective silly.  It is barely merits consideration because .....
- there is no such thing as "nothing" !
How then is it that this seemingly key scientific concept (conservation) hangs from such a
shabby frame work ? 
Conservation's contribution to Newton's observations is as nothing ?.


The only functions the  "laws" of conservation have are as:

             1. Newton's observations.
             2. distraction from the one of the few facts known, which is that all answers lead to yet         
                 more questions, or else ..... they lead to dogma.
simple answer:
We know that we know nothing.
But we know that something.. that is more than that nothing.
Peoples progress  is based on our assumption  that their  something is more than  their nothing and they will pay to us  for more  of that something (if we deliver.)
___________________________________________________________
 

Nothing
- is considered  to be the starting point leading us to   our something or our imaginary something.
And here you are having something that  is an effect of progress.

In the process of our progress we named phenomena  correctly as we are the only judges here and that is already something of value to us .
However  new forms of understanding pushes us to  correct that what we thought was correctly named a hundred years  ago or so..
And for that we created  models in physics.
From that point it is us having control over correctness... of models
Eather/Ether  or overunity was never a model but conceptual theoretical and eventually rejected   nonsense .

_____________________________________________________________________________

 However  there are elements of humanity around us seeing discomfort from that correctness.
-Priests and their religion pushing followers, or any other  money exchanging structures,
-organizations, and governments  seeing believers and religions as state of comfort or tool to rule over the crowd.
- charlatans, bandits,  terrors ..including Eastern European  country of Terror  (with their Tzar.)
- business structures that will collapse due to scientific developments  i.e  Energy..
all of them see destruction  of their own small ruling elite.

But that what I see  is scary.. if FE  is given out.
 - The End of Human population, the  Apocalypse man made, the  destroyed  food supply by  overpopulated humanity due to easiness of life.

Could I  be a beginning of it...
Sure I could or more accurately Dr Hans.
So what is  next..
It will come sooner or later as there are people that will get to the same results..
So the yet unknown..something  will include that what  I and my friends in science don't yet know..didn't yet find out ..  in that process of  progress ..


Wesley
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: partzman on April 01, 2021, 06:15:49 PM

[snip]
But that what I see  is scary.. if FE  is given out.
 - The End of Human population, the  Apocalypse man made, the  destroyed  food supply by  overpopulated humanity due to easiness of life.

Wesley

Wesley,

So your opinion is that we suppress FE?  If I have an FE device then I should sit on it? 

How do we then control the overpopulation, thru eugenics?

Surely there must be a better answer?

Regards,
Pm
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: stivep on April 01, 2021, 06:50:05 PM
Wesley,
So your opinion is that we suppress FE?  If I have an FE device then I should sit on it? 
How do we then control the overpopulation, thru eugenics?
Surely there must be a better answer?
Regards,
Pm
There are many different ways to many different  energy conversions.
It is not only Kapanadze.. concept..

You going to have FE sooner or later  it exist  I have seen it touched it and played with it.
It is no magic, no God or Gods are involved in it 
and actually  based on science ..no God could  do it as they are not recognized there .
_______________________________________________________________________

The nuclear bomb was made by science and scientists only because general population  didn't yet get into if fast enough.
 And this is a source of Energy and it is FE too..
after  500 dollars of investment  in Russia everyone could build it  to use it  at home..
This was a one time cost of the device  giving  6kW/h of nuclear energy for next 100 years.
Elite Russians had  plenty of it in  their vacation houses..
Some  of these were abandoned and not controlled serving as light houses for ships in remote  islands in Russia.
It was enough  for one to get there  in boat an take it... and it happened  in the past

It can destroy too... so is gasoline in your car , so is dynamite,... only the scale is different.
________________________________________________


So what should you do is up to you..
If  someone build such device, tomorrow, it is entirely his  decision what is next..
Nor me nor my friends are smarter than you.
Yes we are not...
If you spend enough time in any field  you will know  the same or more ..
My own objections or  fears  means nothing  to you or anyone.
It will only be important if I  as emotional creature decide  to say more just because:
-my beautiful 24 years younger wife makes me  upset ( never happened  at all for all of these years)
  https://youtu.be/xAXXaNJzwjE?t=21 (https://youtu.be/xAXXaNJzwjE?t=21) 
  https://youtu.be/l6uPHxQVEgQ?t=185 (https://youtu.be/l6uPHxQVEgQ?t=185)
- or Eastern European Tyrant  will push me, one more time... or make me to  be no longer.
- or I'll say one day  enough is enough..
and that can  happen even tomorrow..


Wesley
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: partzman on April 01, 2021, 07:59:11 PM
Here are a couple of more papers that may be of interest.

Regards,
Pm
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: Schauberger Viktor on April 02, 2021, 12:00:13 PM
Please have a look to that ! It shows how the Antigravitation works :
https://t.me/gravitonisparticel
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: Paul-R on April 02, 2021, 12:08:07 PM
Please have a look to that ! It shows how the Antigravitation works :
https://t.me/gravitonisparticel (https://t.me/gravitonisparticel)


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Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: tinman on April 02, 2021, 02:57:19 PM
How many times have we heard that?
bi

1 too few i would suspect.
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: tinman on April 02, 2021, 03:03:37 PM
 author=NdaClouDzzz link=topic=18815.msg556414#msg556414 date=1617225323]


Quote
OverUnity implies a closed system. It goes against reasoning to think that you can take a 1 gallon jug of water and pour out more than one gallon of water.

Wrong.
That can be easily done without adding any water from an external system.
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: tinman on April 02, 2021, 03:08:20 PM


Quote
Dear fellow researchers.
 Few Myths Debunked.
As much as you and I will like to see overunity or ..."something for nothing"...
-we need to understand that :
-physics is based on models.

Physics is based only on the tried and tested.

Quote
Overunity          -  doesn't exist  and will never exist and is laughable as a term.
Perpetual Motion-  is not important to us if was ever  in existence .. it is like spending 1 dollar to gain 1 dollar...

Incorrect.

Quote
Energy can't be created nor destroyed

No,but an imbalance can be created in a closed system.
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: stivep on April 02, 2021, 04:39:08 PM
Physics is based only on the tried and tested.

I agree but:
As an experimental science, physics utilizes the scientific method to formulate and test
hypotheses that are based on observation of the natural world.
The goal of physics is to use the results of these experiments to formulate scientific laws,
usually expressed in the language of mathematics, which can then be used to predict other phenomena.
and for that physics needs to  stand on models as something that can be  improved, changed or rejected.

So  your  "tried and tested."  is than written  and presented  in form of models.

In physics, a model (or idealized model) is a simplified version of the physical system
that strips away the unnecessary aspects of the situation, used  abused tried and tested again..
http://www.romanfrigg.org/writings/Models_in_Physics_REP.pdf (https://www.bing.com/search?q=models+in+physics&qs=n&form=QBRE&sp=-1&pq=models+in+physics&sc=4-17&sk=&cvid=92537ED4EBCB46ABA1E3FC08AA1B5A7E)
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Quote
Overunity          -  doesn't exist  and will never exist and is laughable as a term.
Perpetual Motion-  is not important to us if was ever  in existence .. it is like spending 1 dollar to gain 1 dollar...
Incorrect.

if so than why it is incorrect?
__________________________________________________________________________________


Quote
Energy can't be created nor destroyed
No,but an imbalance can be created in a closed system.
imbalance has nothing to do with creation or destroying of energy 

Wesley
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: skywatcher on April 02, 2021, 07:13:42 PM
Almost all answers in this thread are off-topic.
The simple question was: "Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?"

No one answered with 'yes' so far.
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: stivep on April 02, 2021, 07:53:45 PM
Almost all answers in this thread are off-topic.
The simple question was: "Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?"

No one answered with 'yes' so far.

I disagree with your statement .

answer:
if  something is impossible than it can't be done.

explanation:
overunity doesn't exist so a device producing  overunity "gain" will never exist.

example:
 It is like asking god - to respond to you  and explain   the nature of his/its  miracles


science of physics stand point:
at first:
  For Physics god doesn't exist and as such can't be recognized.
at second: 
  There are no  miracles that non existing god can make  or  ever  was able to make

Wesley
 
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: lancaIV on April 02, 2021, 08:00:14 PM
No,I never constructed an overunity system !
Yes,I participated active in a project with an electric motor  KW output/VA input ratio over 1,over 10,over 100,...  !
The physical application object as electric motor and application  claims becamed patent office peers tested and the rights approved !

I can make measurement  faults,

we as experimental group can make measurement faults

Also : patent office peers can make measurement  faults ?!



Sincere
OCWL
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: skywatcher on April 02, 2021, 08:04:30 PM
overunity doesn't exist so a device producing  overunity "gain" will never exist.

So then we can close this forum ?  It's called 'overunity.com'.

I think everyone knows what 'overunity device' means in this context: a device which is running without any known external energy input and which produces some useful energy output. Of course energy can not be created from nothing.
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: stivep on April 02, 2021, 08:14:59 PM
So then we can close this forum ?  It's called 'overunity.com'.

I think everyone knows what 'overunity device' means in this context: a device which is running without any known external energy input and which produces some useful energy output. Of course energy can not be created from nothing.
I explained it but you didn't read it up there...
 You can name  your  cat  "overunity."
 You can name   a forum   "overunity."
 that is only an abbreviation
 so  because:
everyone knows what  is 'overunity device'
we use  term: FE  Free Energy or Energy for Free..
The benefit of it is that no one will laugh from you...at the very moment  you use this  words.

Wesley :)
 
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: NdaClouDzzz on April 02, 2021, 11:02:30 PM
author=NdaClouDzzz link=topic=18815.msg556414#msg556414 date=1617225323]


Wrong.
That can be easily done without adding any water from an external system.

Brad, "You Lie ... And Yo Breath Stank"  ;D   https://youtu.be/lt_FP9csnYE (https://youtu.be/lt_FP9csnYE)   https://youtu.be/fiBLgEx6svA (https://youtu.be/fiBLgEx6svA)

Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: sollaris1989 on April 03, 2021, 03:30:10 AM
As the title says, has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works? If so, are there instructions to reproduce your build? I'm asking because it would be nice to hear from someone who has personal experience of a system and can verify that it works and produces more energy that it consumes.

Hello friend and welcome to the forum.
YES !
There are many people here and in other places that have build devices that are very very good.
You can not get in touch with such a person because everybody here has a family ,children etc.
However..if your next question is.." where are the schematics ? " well.....there aren't any because people suffer from a brain trauma when they find the secret.

It is a PROGRAM inside of us , that triggers when such device is achieved.
That program makes you feel greedy....special....above everybody else...and you will try to use the device for $$$ .

I wish you all the best and I hope you will manage to build one , one day.
@sollaris :)

Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: sollaris1989 on April 03, 2021, 03:57:46 AM
______________________________________________________[/glow]


But that what I see  is scary.. if FE  is given out.
 - The End of Human population, the  Apocalypse man made, the  destroyed  food supply by  overpopulated humanity due to easiness of life.


Wesley

Hello @stivep

Thank you for your post.
If I may I want to share my thoughts about this situation.

Your statement above is 100% wrong , but it is your opinion on the matter and I respect it.

If I would manage to build an efficient TRANSFORMER that would consume a few W of power and supply water for my garden all day long....I would grow vegetables and sell them cheap as dirt to the people of the community.
(If I give them free.....somebody will come to visit me because that is very fishy )

Do you think I will start making LOVE   as a crazy dog ? ...because I have an efficient device ? NO my friend....so your statement with overpopulation is not that accurate.

""Easiness of life ""
?  ...

What are you talking about there mate ? Free energy is only 25% from the apple.

If my electric bill is lower and not 200 euro / month as it is now ...do you think that life will be easy ? ...
I still have to protect my family..I still have to go to work ...I still have to take care of this body of mine ( the avatar )...I still have to repair my car...buy tires ...pay health insurance etc

So if I may..the easiness of life ...is NOT there...if I have 200 $ more in my wallet mate.

A KNIFE can be use to help people ( cook ) or to hurt people (kill )....and although we got this situation...knives are sold millions / day world wide.

I think you are a good man ,you write your posts very good and stating your opinion is always good...however !!!! ,

I think that you must take 2 ..3...days off.....go somewhere off-grid....and reconnect with nature...
When that connection is made...I am 100% sure...you will TRUST humans more.

In the end of this posts...I want to tell everybody....that with FE or NO FE...there can not be GOOD without EVIL !!!!

I wish you all the best in the world mate.
Be safe !!








Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: Floor on April 03, 2021, 04:39:05 AM
As the title says, has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works? If so, are there instructions to reproduce your build? I'm asking because it would be nice to hear from someone who has personal experience of a system and can verify that it works and produces more energy that it consumes.


@ TRiKri  (4 posts, only ? )

Why do you ask.  Really !  Because " it would be nice" ?

 
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: stivep on April 03, 2021, 03:53:09 PM
Hello @stivep
Your statement above is 100% wrong ,
If I would manage to build an efficient TRANSFORMER .
I would grow vegetables and sell them cheap as dirt to the people of the community.
Do you think I will start making LOVE   as a crazy dog ? ...
""Easiness of life "" ?  ...
Free energy is only 25% from the apple.
If my electric bill is lower and not 200 euro / month as it is now ...do you think that life will be easy ? ...
I still have to protect my family.. go to work ... take care of this body of mine ( the avatar )...to repair my car...buy tires ...pay health insurance etc


I think that you must take 2 ..3...days off.....go somewhere off-grid....and reconnect with nature...
When that connection is made...I am 100% sure...you will TRUST humans more.

Thank you for :
a classical dream of classical dreamer.
lets go to reality now:
_________________________________________________________

If I would manage to build an efficient TRANSFORMER .
I would../ grow/sale/and still  go to work/ repair my car...buy tires
where :
-wordIf stands  for  your wish  and is manifesting your willingness, 
and 
-sentence still go to    stands for continuation of  life necessities.


explanation:

wish  of Mr Trump  - is   manifesting his willingness to accept delivery of goods and needs,by these less fortunate  in life ,
who  have needs  and
wishes just to be paid for  their services to  Mr.Trump and they must
accept  Trump superiority, moods and decision changes.
They
must be paid to go with life while Trump uses mechanism making money for him.
and that mechanism is called: <money makes money .>

_________________________________________________________

dream of typical   man  pictured and shared in movies is: nice    beach , alcohol, food,  no need 
to do anything and have everything delivered while pretty girls serving his dreams.



And that is a
true nature of human... (humanity is  made from humans.)
Need to  do work , perform and pay is  just  regional  phenomena of man in need who is having wishes.
Free Energy gives equal opportunity to:
-   Papuas from Papua New Guinea who is now earning average $197/mo
-   Russian with Russian school    who is now earning average  $175/mo


Their needs are different,  their education is different, but their fundamental  human nature is the same.
Typical Latino  is often pictured  as  rather  willing  to dance, have party, in his/her  busy crowded  social life -where  work/education  is their last priority - if not required.
_________________________________________________________

Human  nature is to have : comfort, goods, and food, e.t.c
Work and  education  is only a  requirement if needed.
Population  of Africa is 1.29 billion
Population  of Asia   is 4.55 billion
while
Population  of  Europe             is only  742.65 million
Population  of  North America  is only   365.89 million
Population  of  Australia          is only   26 million
These 
leading on earth in education , economy, science and comfort of life regions are made  from   only 14.52% of  World population
= 7.8 Billion (2020)


So in Asia thanks to them Japan and  South Korea  are leading now in both democracy and progress, starting  from end of  WW2
_________________________________________________________

Summary  of conclusions:
Less educated  per/person  human elements   in their  regions have higher population growth.
Wealth and comfort   of an individual  makes  his education rather respected by others than needed.
Perception is based on ability to recognize,and process a value,... and depends from , brain abilities trained in  modern  society.

Chinese population  rather  will have not only second child but 2 or 3  children as they  recently been allowed to have maximum 2.
So humorist  African walking on desert now can  stick  a piece of copper into  sand than connect few wires than pump or process sea water into  ..
any usable from ...making Africa a land of dream for  love and future children. 
When energy is no limit.. nothing is an impossible need .... well..they must to go to bathroom.
. :)



My colleagues mathematicians
along with 2 professors from social science department)
calculated  that  FE may makes life on earth  in the stage  of nonrecoverable, (none reversal)  continuous degradation of environment and food delivery
due to the overpopulation in just 18 years  starting from today  if the FE is given to humanity..


Calculating earth natural progressive  population growth
and estimated additional change due to  energy for Free in any form.. if it  exist. :) and degradation  of environment..

-in just 18-20 years from now we will  start  to see shortage of food supply .
Think my friend:... think... your new born  daughter or son will be just 18 years old than..

Wesley
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: AlienGrey on April 03, 2021, 08:07:13 PM
Well have you seen the Epstein film it's been on TV loads of times in the uk it's quite obvious what type of guy
Trump is about, personally I have no time for that waste of space if that's how he wants to behave.

SIL
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: stivep on April 03, 2021, 08:29:06 PM
 I agree.
 ___________
I don't have TV for 12 years now.
but  my wife uses Netflix.
I'm  a science creature
Wesley
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: sollaris1989 on April 04, 2021, 12:56:10 AM



My colleagues mathematicians [/b]along with 2 professors from social science department)
calculated  that  FE may makes life on earth  in the stage  of nonrecoverable, (none reversal)  continuous degradation of environment and food delivery
due to the overpopulation in just 18 years  starting from today  if the FE is given to humanity..


Calculating earth natural progressive  population growth
and estimated additional change due to  energy for Free in any form.. if it  exist. :) and degradation  of environment.. [/sub]
-in just 18-20 years from now we will  start  to see shortage of food supply .


Wesley


Hello Wesley.
Thank you for your reply.
I have a feeling that you can not be helped Wesley....sorry buddy.
You have been indoctrinated too much.
It would take years and years of UN-Training...just to get you to the baseline.

When do you got time , I would love to set up a meeting with you and my friend that eats 1 / year....He would love to hear your ""Shortage of food "" problem.
He would receive a good laugh.
I did not eat since 31.03.2021....I will take a lemon beer now because I would like to see the taste of it.Not because I need it.


Any human , that has some proper understanding on how this world works ...know that food does not keep us alive.
Your heart does not beat because you ate some fries yesterday...with some ketchup and bread.
It would be insanity to believe so.

Your 2 mathematicians friends and those professors , you should not talk that much to them.They are part of the system.

Also there is no such thing as Overpopulation....It was never ever a problem with the population on this Planet.

I hope that one day you will wake up..and evolve from the lies and manipulation that were inserted inside of you even from early years....Kindergarten...school..high-school...etc

This is my last post to you.
I wish you and your family all the best.
Stay safe and healthy.  ::) ::) ::)
 
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: Floor on April 04, 2021, 04:43:04 AM
Quote from stivep

"My colleagues mathematicians along with 2 professors from social science department)
calculated  that  FE may makes life on earth  in the stage  of nonrecoverable, (none reversal)  continuous degradation of environment and food delivery
due to the overpopulation in just 18 years  starting from today  if the FE is given to humanity.."

end quote

evidence of cooked food is found from 1 million years ago
ceramics date back around 26,000 years
the plow 5,000 to 10,000
gunpowder 1.100 years
the automobile 200 years
the electric motor around 150 years
the locomotive about 100 years

So we should add about 18 more years to any of the above,

in order to arrive at the number of years ago,

that  mankind should have know better,
 
than to have started using these technologies ?


Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: tinman on April 04, 2021, 09:52:02 AM
Brad, "You Lie ... And Yo Breath Stank"  ;D   https://youtu.be/lt_FP9csnYE (https://youtu.be/lt_FP9csnYE)   https://youtu.be/fiBLgEx6svA (https://youtu.be/fiBLgEx6svA)


Lol
Clown at his best.
You think in such small terms.

Your quote: It goes against reasoning to think that you can take a 1 gallon jug of water and pour out more than one gallon of water.

Now,im telling you that i can take a 200 liter drum of water,and get 250 liters of water to run out of it,without adding any water to it from an outside source.

Care to make a wager ?
Although i would not think you would ever hold true to your loss.


Brad
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: NdaClouDzzz on April 04, 2021, 10:01:50 AM
Don't be silly, Brad!
Even if what you are talking about is real and not some word-play trickery, the entire point of me using that water example was so everyone would know what MY definition of OU is. And here you are taking it literally. But please Mr. Tinman, by all means show us your talent!🤣
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: tinman on April 05, 2021, 05:13:17 AM
Don't be silly, Brad!
Even if what you are talking about is real and not some word-play trickery, the entire point of me using that water example was so everyone would know what MY definition of OU is. And here you are taking it literally. But please Mr. Tinman, by all means show us your talent!🤣

What it means is that your example has nothing to do with OU,but everything to do with a total waste system.

You know as well as i do that the energy from the water running out of the drum can be used to put a portion of that very same water back into the drum,thus meaning that more water will run out of the drum than the volume you first put into the drum,without bringing any extra water in from outside the system.

So lets see==
The water runs out of the drum through a ram pump.
66% of the water spills onto the ground,and 34% gets pumped back into the drum.
So the total volume of water that runs out of the drum exceeds that which you first put into the drum by 34%,without bringing any more water in from an outside system.

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me using that water example was so everyone would know what MY definition of OU is.

As you can clearly see,your definition of OU is wrong.


Brad
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: NdaClouDzzz on April 05, 2021, 05:28:50 AM
Bravo, Brad. I commend you on your skillful spin tactics.
But MY example has nothing to do with YOUR example, other than water!
In MY example, take a one gallon jug filled with exactly one gallon of water and, with your hand, empty that one gallon of water directly into another container and measure how much water there is. No more than ONE gallon of water! No trickery, no word-play, just ONE gallon of water!
That is MY definition of what an ou argument and demo would entail. If you perform that exact test and you pour out more than ONE gallon of water, then brother, you got magic in your hands! ;D

Note: I do not talk about the ENERGY that you can get from the water running out of the jug because we would then have to address the energy that was expended to put the water IN the jug!
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: Mish on April 08, 2021, 11:02:40 PM
Interesting question.  There is a big difference between O.U. and perpetual motion. Yes, after searching day and many nights i found and made a wheel that proves over unity. I am currently working on making it perpetual,  but for me i am content knowing after hundreds of measurements the sum total of forces always measures more positive torque than negative torque. Here is a short video i made that shows only 2 arms that are using 2 weights. On the left the weight on the left is furthest from the hub as on swings down and the other up they swap at the 4:30 and 10:30 positions.

https://youtu.be/VYzHNcu0eTk
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: conradelektro on April 10, 2021, 10:39:04 AM
I have built several OU devices, but I will not tell you how they work. Whenever I disclosed an OU device, it stopped being OU.


Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: Ilya Tsimbaluk on April 16, 2021, 02:42:36 PM
Greetings, randomly I came here to take a look. there are indeed people here. which could potentially work on those. to find the real device.
I am personally in Minsk. My name is Ilya, my laboratory is located in Belarus. A long story would probably be correct to say. that I personally did just experiments now. which showed how in the history of Electromagnetism fragments were missed that are related to Newton's 3 law, the relationship between mass and energy, and everything that is not so openly in the literature on electromagnetism.

Therefore, before describing my difficult path of ordeals, I decided to introduce myself a little.
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: onepower on April 22, 2021, 04:39:26 PM
Quote
It goes against reasoning to think that you can take a 1 gallon jug of water and pour out more than one gallon of water.

True, however we could use the latent energy of 1 gallon of water to extract ten gallons from the atmosphere.

People forget that when water evaporates it not only produces a cooling effect which can condense more atmospheric water but also physical motion due to a change in pressure.

In natures process like conditions attract, they not oppose.

For example, the motion of evaporating water produces a cooling effect which causes more motion (wind) as warmer humid air moves towards it. The motion upwards produces clouds which also cool as the water condenses and then falls as rain. Thus water can attract more water, it's motion producing more motion because it's not a closed system and is considered "solar energy" because it ultimately comes from the Sun.

If we wanted to transform barren deserts into rain forests all we would have to do is plant tree's. Tree's absorb and transpire water producing a cooling effect which draws in warm air containing more moisture, water attracts water. This is why forests tend to remain forests and deserts remain deserts.

In nature like attracts a like condition not opposites because it always works indirectly.
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: Floor on April 22, 2021, 06:11:07 PM
Here is one...

https://overunity.com/16987/td-replications/msg556863/#msg556863

Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: NdaClouDzzz on April 23, 2021, 02:09:49 AM
True, however we could use the latent energy of 1 gallon of water to extract ten gallons from the atmosphere.

People forget that when water evaporates it not only produces a cooling effect which can condense more atmospheric water but also physical motion due to a change in pressure.

In natures process like conditions attract, they not oppose.

For example, the motion of evaporating water produces a cooling effect which causes more motion (wind) as warmer humid air moves towards it. The motion upwards produces clouds which also cool as the water condenses and then falls as rain. Thus water can attract more water, it's motion producing more motion because it's not a closed system and is considered "solar energy" because it ultimately comes from the Sun.

If we wanted to transform barren deserts into rain forests all we would have to do is plant tree's. Tree's absorb and transpire water producing a cooling effect which draws in warm air containing more moisture, water attracts water. This is why forests tend to remain forests and deserts remain deserts.

In nature like attracts a like condition not opposites because it always works indirectly.

I believe that You, Brad and I are all correct in our views, which just goes to show how the people who suppress free-energy/OU tech have been so successful.

Question: Can we really say that a closed system/circuit is CLOSED when we KNOW it can LEAK energy (heat, electromagnetic waves) from the system?
If it can leak energy out, why not in?
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: onepower on April 23, 2021, 07:26:30 AM
NdaCloudzzz
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Question: Can we really say that a closed system/circuit is CLOSED when we KNOW it can LEAK energy (heat, electromagnetic waves) from the system?
If it can leak energy out, why not in?

There are no closed systems and the whole concept basically came about to make calculations easier. As Faraday implied, we are surrounded by matter and space filled with untold energy and if we tried to include all of it in our calculations they would become infinitely complex. Faraday, Maxwell etc... state categorically that they do not include internal or external energy not relevant to the discussion. In reality no real scientist actually believes in a physically closed system, lol.

What did happen was that many amateurs who don't understand science or the concepts of energy took the notion of closed systems literally by mistake. I mean as we speak I have a couple circuits measuring and data logging Earths magnetic and electric fields. These are external energy fields, I can measure there effects, there always changing and no real scientist has any problem with it.

So whenever anyone implies any system is closed this is a clear sign they don't understand science. People would do well to read Faraday's lectures on electrodynamics because there very interesting and he was very open minded.

Regards
AC
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: onepower on April 23, 2021, 07:43:24 AM
So far as a supposed working free energy device is concerned I have had them for decades...

When I was a teenager I rigged up an antenna and rectifier to charge a capacitor tied to a ground rod. Over time the capacitor would charge due to atmospheric disturbances and radio waves then discharge through a small lightbulb. I also built crystal radio's which could scavenge power as well probably 40 years ago.

So I'm not sure where people are getting these nonsensical idea's that there are closed systems and we aren't swimming in a sea of energy. More so when every solar panel we know of is receiving energy every day from a nearby star 150 million km away we call the Sun. I also find this notion that nobody could nor will ever find a better way to extract energy from nature completely absurd. Of course we will, it's a given and simply a matter of time. Were always getting new idea's to improve things and we will continue to do so well into the future.

Regards
AC

Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: NdaClouDzzz on April 23, 2021, 05:17:36 PM
So I'm not sure where people are getting these nonsensical idea's that there are closed systems and we aren't swimming in a sea of energy. More so when every solar panel we know of is receiving energy every day from a nearby star 150 million km away we call the Sun.

Thank you for your responses
Yes, I always have to correct people when they say that there is no such thing as free-energy.
When we go outside and stand in the Sun and it heats our skin, is that not FREE-ENERGY? And if we stick a solar panel in space facing the sun, would it not produce electricity 24/7 and be considered perpetual motion?
We are definitely in a sea of energy free for the taking. What generally costs us is capturing and transforming that energy into power for our electrical devices. FREE seems to me to be a matter of perspective! Some see it and some don't.

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When I was a teenager I rigged up an antenna and rectifier to charge a capacitor tied to a ground rod. Over time the capacitor would charge due to atmospheric disturbances and radio waves then discharge through a small lightbulb. I also built crystal radio's which could scavenge power as well probably 40 years ago.

Yep. Thank you Tesla, Don Smith, et al.
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: Ilya Tsimbaluk on April 25, 2021, 05:02:24 PM
Here is one...

https://overunity.com/16987/td-replications/msg556863/#msg556863

Greetings. Like that. Because energy is a concept that refers to the activity of that. what we call the staging environment.
lThe first questions began to study Umov in his works on mechanics and not only. Then his thoughts are that energy is a certain amount of electricity. which to pass through the area of ​​the conductor was picked up by Poynting. And then Heaviside, independently of Poynting, working in telegraphy, came to the conclusion that energy enters the system from a conductor and medium through electromagnetic waves. The waves themselves surround the space of the conductor, which today we call the Physical Vacuum.

Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: Ilya Tsimbaluk on April 25, 2021, 05:34:27 PM
These are quotes from a book in Russian. which quotes Heaviside, these are his scattered and unpublished thoughts. in which he concludes that light waves exist in the medium. which have pressure and, accordingly, because of the shadow inside the zariks, this pressure will exert on the balls and they will move to each other. After 50 years, the Casimir Effect appeared and after a while it was verified experimentally. An experiment in which this energy or mass is in such a state, due to which the silts are balanced and they do not allow us to register it in the medium or space.
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: Ilya Tsimbaluk on April 27, 2021, 08:55:37 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRCfl5pR8Kc&ab_channel=ИльяСчастливчик (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRCfl5pR8Kc&ab_channel=ИльяСчастливчик)
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: stivep on May 03, 2021, 02:42:03 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRCfl5pR8Kc&ab_channel=ИльяСчастливчик (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRCfl5pR8Kc&ab_channel=ИльяСчастливчик)
Interesting is that  you brought up video of a very  controversial person here.
This guy attacked me few times  very aggressively.
However everyone has rights to his own opinion  based on our Western  World regulations
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Unfortunately  under his video there is no link to original video of  Veritasium.
Here is link that explains it.
Cathode Rays Lead to Thomson's Model of the Atom (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xKZRpAsWL8)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xKZRpAsWL8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xKZRpAsWL8)

So who is Илья Счастливчик (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCl-tOxkNdicBzUH9mAnN1KQ)
334 subscribers
Well he is/was working for :
 Глобальная Волна — Global Wave (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCD78j3HBA5sIlhKgxK3JIaw)  95.7K subscribers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDO4IhyK6FQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDO4IhyK6FQ)
Quite active Russian group likely supported by Russian government very unfriendly to FE!!!.
they have youtube with very much questionable content , having  picture of Putin
in the  central view of most their studio videos.
promoting:
Spiritualism,
nontraditional medical methods,
meditation,
Tesla, Free Energy,
"mathematician"  who is claiming that - minus sign is a lie and entire mathematics is  wrong,
_______________________________________________

So what problem do we have now with this Russian  Fellow Илья Счастливчик (Ilia Schaslivchik.)
Well he made video about "Thomson error," in his typical manner of chopped into a pieces Veritasium video,
that now is in comfortable to him form, no explanation of what his  objection is, and no link to original video.
What error he is talking about?
 
What is his agenda?

So who was  Thomson and his model of an atom:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._J._Thomson#:~:text=In%201904%2C%20Thomson% (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._J._Thomson#:~:text=In%201904%2C%20Thomson%)
20suggested%20a%20model%20of%20the,distributed%20in%20a%20uniform%20sea%20of%20positive%20charge.
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Explanation:
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The plum pudding model is one of several historical scientific models of the atom. First proposed by
J. J. Thomson  in 1904  soon after the discovery of the electron, but before the discovery of the atomic nucleus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plum_pudding_model (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plum_pudding_model)

Summary:

Thomson was contributor  often credited  for discovery of  an electron.

Wesley


 
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: stivep on May 03, 2021, 04:11:00 AM
These are quotes from a book in Russian. which quotes Heaviside, these are his scattered and unpublished thoughts. in which
he concludes that light waves exist in the medium. which have and, accordingly, because of the shadow inside the zariks,
this pressure will exert on the balls and they will move to each other.
After 50 years, the Casimir Effect appeared and after a while it was verified experimentally.
An experiment in which this energy or mass is in such a state, due to which the silts are balanced and they do not allow us to register it in the medium or space.

So lets make some sense from this gibberish.

Quote
because of the shadow inside the zariks,
This quote indicates  that entire text is a translation  from original Russian.
It is nothing wrong when someone with no English  tries to communicate, I do support it.
But that translated text,  unfortunately  didn't come right .

________------_____

Some of my responses to the text from above:


1.   Light is electromagnetic wave

2.   Medium:  for EM wave it is  wave medium and is -anything other than a true vacuum-
     The wave medium is not the wave and it doesn't make the wave; Electromagnetic_Waves and medium
 (https://phys.libretexts.org/Bookshelves/Electricity_and_Magnetism/Supplemental_Modules_(Electricity_and_Magnetism)/Electromagnetic_Waves)
2a. electromagnetic wave can travel through anything - "be it", air, a solid material or vacuum.
     electromagnetic wave does not need a medium to propagate or travel from one place to another.

3.  Wave pressure applies to  mechanical wave that has nothing to do with EM wave .
     https://www.quora.com/What-is-a-pressure-wave (https://www.quora.com/What-is-a-pressure-wave)
     
3a. However  radiation pressure  exist in Quantum World of EM Wave .
     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_pressure (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_pressure)

So what  problem do I have with that old Russian book? :
quote  from the picture  below( look at original  post) in Russian  it says:
   -that  wave/s having vectors pointing at  physical mass of the  body ( sphere) all around
     will  equal its pressure  and object will not move.
     But if  we have two equal bodies  spaced at some distance- they will repel due to  photon pressure .
     
that statement is incorrect in the form it was presented
    Please be refereed to: radiation pressure article for better understanding .

It should be rather said that two objects having different temperature may emit  IR wave and  repealing may be observed .
Heaviside's main achievements was the recasting of Maxwell's theory of electromagnetism into the form currently used by everyone.
But we need to  understand that it was time when  mechanisms of particle physics were as much in its infantry as EM theory.
Radiation pressure can equally well be accounted for by considering the momentum of a classical electromagnetic field
or in terms of the momenta of photons (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photons), particles of light
______________________________________________________________
Summary:

Ilia Schaslivchik and some other Russians  tend to  promote ether/eather and they use any possible
sources to make basis for it.
EATER/Eather DOESN'T EXIST .. please memorize it once  and forever.
OVERUNITY DOESN'T"T EXIST .. please memorize it once  and forever.



Russian education system was absolutely good during CCCP time ,but now not much - to nothing is left from it.
Formats are frozen in time now , with no much change and old teachers  died out .
So what feeling do many scientist  have when talking to some Russians:
Quote
- It is as if you were talking to  CERN scientist and the same time to Russian scientist from  19 century.
You would see them holding into  quite different  form of  the same  models in physics.

 Any scientist would be happy to talk to scientist  from  the future 100 years up.
 But unfortunate is that in Russia political agenda is prioritized  over anything else.
Wesley
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: Ilya Tsimbaluk on May 03, 2021, 09:06:03 AM
Hevside was exclusively engaged in science and he wrote literature on absolutely scientific topics. At the same time, I was a very talented or maybe even a genius person and I do not feel aggression because of belonging to his origin. I feel respect for his work.

Regarding the most conspiratorial book. which is in the public domain dedicated to Heaviside says that just in his last works. which disappeared without a trace, there are only some fragments, Heaviside described the Casimir effect, which was repeated by Lamerow. just says that the Physical Vacuum or Ether is not empty in the minds of people, the professor argued. who, after Umov and simultaneously with Poynting, came to the idea. that energy enters the conductor itself from the outside.

In the video from Veritassium. in which the description spoke of what Thomson assumed. that the atom consists of Elementary particles and these particles are part of the cathode and the electrons themselves are part of the atom escaping from the cathode, I showed that this is a complete delusion.

If we say that we have a certain closed circuit and a current is moving there, then this is just a mistake. since the luminescence of the light bulb can occur at that moment. when the electrodes are not inside the bulb. Therefore, we must consider only the idea of ​​Poynting Heaviside about the movement of energy in space, and this space does not create charges from emptiness, it only transforms the apparent emptiness into the charge we observe.

https://youtu.be/SRCfl5pR8Kc (https://youtu.be/SRCfl5pR8Kc)

I showed this on alternating current and showed it on the example of pulsating direct current. where a nearby light bulb glows without direct contact. What speaks in favor of Hertz's hypothesis that in essence it is a demonstration of Waves in Ether, Space, Environment, Physical Vacuum, call it what you want.


https://youtu.be/mGbCLJkwTMc (https://youtu.be/mGbCLJkwTMc)
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: Ilya Tsimbaluk on May 03, 2021, 09:50:06 AM
______________________________________________________________
Summary:

Ilia Schaslivchik and some other Russians  tend to  promote ether/eather and they use any possible
sources to make basis for it.
EATER/Eather DOESN'T EXIST .. please memorize it once  and forever.
OVERUNITY DOESN'T"T EXIST .. please memorize it once  and forever.



Russian education system was absolutely good during CCCP time ,but now not much - to nothing is left from it.
Formats are frozen in time now , with no much change and old teachers  died out .
So what feeling do many scientist  have when talking to some Russians:
 Any scientist would be happy to talk to scientist  from  the future 100 years up.
 But unfortunate is that in Russia political agenda is prioritized  over anything else.
Wesley
[/quote]

About your suggestions. I cannot accept them, because there were many theories of Ether, and to this day there is a theory of dynamic Ether.
You are probably a vlogger or propagandist, but I'll tell you this, it all depends on what you put into terms and concepts.
I tend to consider the idea of ​​a Dynamic Ether, not a motionless one. whose supporter was Lorentz, which is why in physics there was a confusion in representations. Einstein really wanted to build a career as a relativist and looked for all possible ways to use his mathematical abstractions in order to explain what he could not on the physical level.

I am personally a practitioner and I consider the whole theory from the practical side and only after that I compare some facts and theories.

Therefore, before you talk about the non-existence of Ether. you need to be clear about what you mean. Because it all speaks. that both in politics and in science you put all that in your head. what you want and how you want and at the same time try to pass off as an objective representation.

I do not support the idea of ​​a motionless Ether, flow. which Lorenz tried to consider. However, you have to give it credit. Lorentz needed to mathematically hypothesize that. how does the indignation of Ether, the environment occur. space that seems empty and the reason for the appearance of EM waves, it was also necessary to explain the reason why interactions in nature cannot exist instantly, for which the Lorentz transformations were introduced. which Einstein took advantage of. The cause of EM waves does not lie in transformations, it is in the physical manifestations of the environment. which. gently pushed aside ..
Today the environment exists in the concept of Physical Vacuum. But the populists of the 20th century popularized the Physical Vacuum in this way. that came down to a banal idea of ​​emptiness. The beginning was laid by Lorenz, since the idea of ​​that. that the Earth moves relative to Ether was such a primitive concept that initially Lorentz had to ask the question - what moves the Earth?
Where did the idea of ​​a partially or completely carried away Ether go?
In itself, the interpretation of ideas about that. that Ether is a consequence of a misconception. Ether is the environment. which is represented by physicists in the form of a field ....

But the question is, what exactly such a concept as a Field is that. what did Umov, Poynting and Heaviside do.
Heaviside was a practitioner, his job was to work with telegraph lines. More precisely, to create a system that allows you to design telegraph lines. And he is the first. who understood the idea that Energy is that. that moves in Space, Vacuum, Environment surrounding the conductor. It was Heaviside who introduced the concept of Inductance, it was he who understood that energy moves not only around the conductor. it falls into a certain depth of this conductor, forming the so-called Skin Effect.
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: Ilya Tsimbaluk on May 03, 2021, 10:26:07 AM
I may seem harsh, I just try to defend the sobriety of views and ideas. I do not use Thomson's ideas because they are unfounded.
As I have shown, cathode rays are manifestations of an EM field, which is rightfully called a photon. The visible spectrum of radiation is manifested not only in the Thomson tube, but in any tube filled with an inert gas there will be a similar glow as in an alternating one. and on pulsating direct current.
this is also the case in the Franklin Machine, in which a flask with discharged gas starts to glow with static electricity.

If we return to the Coulomb experiment. which is described in any textbook on physics, then just in the scales themselves there is a force interaction of the Electric Field with a physical body in the form of a metal ball.
F = k (q1 * q2 / r ^ 2)
In Millikan's experiment there is a force interaction of oil droplets with an electric field in a capacitor.


quote: in 1884 J. Poynting published a famous article, which essentially contained the development of Umov's ideas in relation to the electromagnetic field. In this study, Poynting created the theory of the motion and flow of EM energy, which was an important addition and a fundamentally new step in the development of Maxwell's theory of the electromagnetic field.
Poynting proceeds from the Faraday-Maxwellian concept of short-range action: “If we recognize the continuity of energy movement, i.e. we admit that when it disappears at one point and reappears at another, it had to pass through the intermediate space, then we are forced to conclude that the environment contains at least part of the energy and is capable of being transferred from point to point. "

https://www.reddit.com/user/Emotional-Notice4746/comments/n3tv5y/pointing/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 (https://www.reddit.com/user/Emotional-Notice4746/comments/n3tv5y/pointing/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: Ilya Tsimbaluk on May 03, 2021, 05:36:43 PM
Using the literature in which Umov was the first to put forward the concept of energy flux and density, considering the interactions of bodies through an intermediate medium, he was the first to express for the first time the need to maintain such a medium.

The most conclusive literature of all free energy cospirologists of the early 20th century had taku. the book by Gustav Mee, the translation of this book and publication was in Odessa in 1927. The name itself says that the Course of Electricity and Magnetism (experimental physics of the world ether)

And this is what an engineering company looks like from a bird's-eye view, where I did experiments in the bowels of its laboratory. The laboratory itself is located in the premises of the former bomb shelter)
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: Ilya Tsimbaluk on May 03, 2021, 06:38:22 PM
Now we are getting ready for experiments in order to apply the physics of processes to a real device ... These are some photos of our experiments to show the possibility of additional generation ...
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: stivep on May 03, 2021, 10:34:55 PM
At the same time,
I was a very talented or maybe even a genius person and
I do not feel aggression because of belonging to his origin.
I feel respect for his work.
As you saying  You Ilya ,- you may be a genius, I don't fight with that.
___________________________________________________________


Regarding the most conspiratorial book. which is in the public domain dedicated to Heaviside says that just in his last works. which disappeared without a trace, there are only some fragments,
Heaviside described the Casimir effect, which was repeated by Lamerow. just says that the Physical Vacuum or Ether is not empty in the minds of people, the professor argued. who, after
Umov and simultaneously with Poynting, came to the idea. that energy enters the conductor itself from the outside.


How do the Russians know that  it was some "stolen"  work of Heaviside And they also  know that it  contained phrase:
"{Ether is not empty..}"
It looks  as if these Russians were trying to  say,  that it had to be  something  of value in that Ether... Wow..
Why is that Russians specifically  pointed  at that revelation, translating it likely from Russian  into  English and than back from English into Russian
and were quoting  phrases from that English version of it . :) as a proof of theft.
With all do respect to you and every Russian ...Dear Ilyia,  we live at civilized part of the world here...
We didn't murder Tzar with his wife, his children,  his servants, and children of his servants including  their pets  in 1918.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Execution_of_the_Romanov_family (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Execution_of_the_Romanov_family)
We didn't start WW2 together and cooperating with with Hitler
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact#: (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact#:~:text=The%20Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop%20Pact%20was%20a%20non-aggression%20pact%20between,those%20two%20powers%20to%20partition%20Poland%20between%20them.)
in September 17 1939  after invasion in Finland and Baltic's countries?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Poland (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Poland)
And definitely didn't do what Stalin did  to Russian science.
https://www.theatlantic.com/science (https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/05/soviet-science-stalin/525576/#:~:text=In%20the%201920s%2C%20Joseph%20Stalin%20tried%20to%20turn,the%20kind%20that%20relied%20on%20the%20scientific%20method.)

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...the idea. that energy enters the conductor itself from the outside.
I agree, it is nothing new,
( example is an antenna resonating with  energy from outside - the EM wave )
But energy type , its source and properties, and its interaction with conductive medium  must be known, to do not become
another Russian  fake story.
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In the video from Veritassium. in which the description spoke of what Thomson assumed. that the atom consists of
Elementary particles and these particles are part of the cathode and the electrons themselves are part of the atom
escaping from the cathode, I showed that this is a complete delusion.
NO  !!!!
and one more time NO.
This is original Thomson experiment leading to discovery of an  electron.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9Goyscbazk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9Goyscbazk)

 the text below is:
 
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NOT  THAT IMPORTANT BUT  HELPFUL -so you may skip it for now
Thomson also made an experiment where  anode was in one vacuumed tube and  anode was in another outer tube containing  the first one
glass is an dielectric.( look at the picture below)
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The dielectric constant of a glass is the ratio of energy stored in a condenser with the glass as the dielectric, compared with the energy
stored in the same condenser with air as the dielectric.///This measures the ability of a glass to store electrical energy, and varies with the frequency of the voltage applied to the condenser 
Air is dielectric
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Dry air is an excellent dielectric, and is used in variable capacitors and some types of transmission lines.


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So Thomson based on his experiment made  quite right answer  that
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electrons themselves are part of the atom escaping from the cathode
If cathode and anode is not in that glass envelope than the electrostatic charge is deposited into:
-a dielectric  of the glass affecting also  the  outer air ( in space from source to the glass) as dielectric at first.
-and than this charge looks for your hand holding  it while moving  electrons in rarefied  leftovers in that  glass envelope.

But if you are not holding  that  glass tube ( the envelope) in your hands  than  there is a physical dimension  of that glass envelope that
according to inverse square law makes it at its closest  part  to  electrostatic charge  at potential  of  e.g 10 000V  and its far-most / farthest  side at potential of e.g 2000V only.
explanation  of it is in videos below


So  why  do the
influenced electrons leave  the cathode ?
Well.. free electrons are the electrons that are  at higher energetic level jumping from

shell K to shell N and out of influence of an atom becoming  than the  free electrons.

Some frozen in time Russians - they rather think about Bohr  planetary model of atom so shell will be for them an orbit
and phrase from above for them will look  like:

orbit K to orbit N and out of influence of an atom becoming than - the free electrons.
However tendency to get free is prioritized to an electron  being at outer shell as they need very little  additional energy to do it.

in this experiment by increasing electrostatic potential - we  are raising electrons into a higher shell till they are no longer bounded 
to an atom and becomes free electrons.
In electrical conductor these free electrons are responsible for carrying out electrical  potential measured in (e.g) eV or V 
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When an atom loses an electron,it becomes positive ion which is called cation.
 You know that the charge of proton  is positive (+1) and the charge of electron is negative (-1).
Besides,we know that an atom is neutral because the number of proton and electron is in same number.
https://chemistry291. (https://chemistry291.blogspot.com/2020/02/when-an-atom-loses-an-electron-it-becomes-quizlet.html#:~:text=Answer%3A%20When%20an%20atom%20loses%20an%20electron%2Cit%20becomes,of%20proton%20and%20electron%20is%20in%20same%20number.)
Another neighboring atom gains that not needed  free electron and becomes  anion but often accelerated electron knocks out  electron from another  atom and takes its  place.
Every time electron loses its energy in eV it must give out something and often this is  in form of a PHOTON
In gases we often  use terminology: -  positive or negative Ion ( instead of Anion Cation)
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And now Example with rarefied air enclosed in glass envelope, having no electrodes.
At first  part of video please look only around 2 minutes:
to understand how the  electric field  looks like and why is positive there.
https://youtu.be/QpVxj3XrLgk?t=1200 (https://youtu.be/QpVxj3XrLgk?t=1200)
 
Than  please look at 2 minutes of this part of video  and think  about electric field  vector potential.
https://youtu.be/QpVxj3XrLgk?t=2586 (https://youtu.be/QpVxj3XrLgk?t=2586)

The likely reason of some gases to glow  when enclosed in glass envelope  under an electrostatic variable potential is
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that the emitted electrons are able to move about freely from one end of the tube to the other.
https://ggn.dronacharya.info/EEEDept/Downloads/QuestionBank/Vsem/EMI/section-A/Lecture-3.pdf (https://ggn.dronacharya.info/EEEDept/Downloads/QuestionBank/Vsem/EMI/section-A/Lecture-3.pdf)

But if we don't have any anode and cathode in that envelope  we still are dealing with properties dielectric of glass envelope and air as dielectric from  outside.
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And now what is PLASMA?
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Plasma is an ionized gas consisting of positive ions and free electrons in proportions resulting in more or less no overall electric charge,
typically at low pressures (as in the upper atmosphere and in fluorescent lamps) or at very high temperatures (as in stars and nuclear fusion reactors).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_%28physics%29 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_%28physics%29)
It consists of a gas of ions  – atoms or molecules which have one or more orbital electrons stripped (or, rarely, an extra electron attached), and free electrons

When it becomes ionized  it often glows in visible frequency  band at its characteristic to given gas atoms color, knowing that  N ( nitrogen) is influencing this process
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-50396-6 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-50396-6)

The same as  Ionosphere does due to Photons and
cosmic  ray activity

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Cosmic rays (also called cosmic radiation) mainly comprise high energy nucleons
(protons, neutrons and atomic nuclei). About 90% are hydrogen nuclei (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen) (a single proton with an atomic number of 1).
They have been stripped of their electrons and so are ionised

In Ionosphere that energy is send by photos from the sun and other cosmic radiation.
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Radioluminescence is the phenomenon by which light is produced in a material by
bombardment with ionizing radiation such as alpha particles, beta particles, or gamma rays.
Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioluminescence)
The only difference is that :
-  in Ionosphere the process   of photons depositing its energy into a mater( atoms of air) makes glowing of ionosphere .
-  in our glass tube  we are  using difference of potential between our body( hands) holding  a glass envelope  and HV variable potential  from Tesla coil.
video#2
https://youtu.be/QpVxj3XrLgk?t=2586 (https://youtu.be/QpVxj3XrLgk?t=2586)
 




If we say that we have a certain closed circuit and a current is moving there, then this is just a mistake. since the luminescence of the light bulb can occur at that moment. when the electrodes are not inside the bulb.
Therefore, we must consider only the idea of ​​Poynting Heaviside about the movement of energy in space, and this space does not create charges from emptiness, it only transforms the apparent emptiness into the charge we observe.
https://youtu.be/SRCfl5pR8Kc (https://youtu.be/SRCfl5pR8Kc)
I showed this on alternating current and showed it on the example of pulsating direct current. where a nearby light bulb glows without direct contact.
What speaks in favor of Hertz's hypothesis that in essence it is a demonstration of Waves in Ether, Space, Environment, Physical Vacuum, call it what you want.
https://youtu.be/mGbCLJkwTMc
 (https://youtu.be/mGbCLJkwTMc)



Conclusions:
In pure space vacuum you have no electrons and no particles  apart of EM wave(PHOTONS) that doesn't need any medium  to travel
If your  glass envelope was at  ideal vacuum  AND NO electron emitters , than  nothing would glow in it.

No matter how many names and processes you  are trying to throw into your  explanation it is just not going to help.
Your:
.. demonstration of Waves in Ether,
is just pure lack of understanding of nature  of plasma and its  behavior under  different conditions.
Your Ether doesn't exist
Nothing will glow if there is no  difference of potential.
There is no  publication of modern time admitting Ether/Eather existence.
Just find me one scientifically standing  explanation of what is Ether/Eather and what it does.

Move on my Russian friend  get out  form middle-ages  of Russian  science.. where   modern science  only started to exist.

Wesley
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: stivep on May 04, 2021, 01:25:15 AM
to support my post from above
here is my vacuum chamber  in one of my labs:
https://youtu.be/ISoW1yhVpjs?t=442 (https://youtu.be/ISoW1yhVpjs?t=442)
https://youtu.be/MIfWgX8hA4A  (https://youtu.be/MIfWgX8hA4A)

I have few of them not only one.
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experimenting with ionized  particles was done with use not of eyes looking  at  glowing  particles but with
better than eye  photo-multipliers, photo intensifiers and chambers with Triethanolamine,  as a medium. also at high  voltage.
https://youtu.be/izzujmKROWI?t=304 (https://youtu.be/izzujmKROWI?t=304)
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I'm in particle physics as my  primary direction.

Wesley


Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: stivep on May 04, 2021, 03:42:32 PM
https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg557340/#msg557340
Wesley
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: Ilya Tsimbaluk on May 06, 2021, 08:15:17 PM
Greetings. Your Russian friend is not quite in the Middle Ages, but this does not mean that you could surpass the ideas of Umov, Poynting, Heaviside.

You start jogging with your ideas. which have nothing to do with my idea. Since I understand you are considering an idea. to which Lorentz was committed, who believed that Ether or the intermediate medium was immovable.
But you apparently do not use the words carried away Ether, partially carried away or completely carried away. But there is also such a thing as Dynamical Ether. And there are hypotheses about this. But if you had on hand, after long ordeals, a really working device. I think that you would probably consider the processes differently. You decided that for the transfer of energy, with the help of which the medium is used, which, under conditions of close-range interactions, must have energy, and therefore have an equivalent mass, you would not say so.

The problem is that you are just stuck in the ideas of the Middle Ages, although the same Hevside proposed the idea. which Casimir used in the Casimir effect, it is just that photons or so-called electrons are just born in the Dirac sea, we call this moer today the Physical Vacuum. But I have the word Vacuum because of your perception of the seeming emptiness to perceive the environment as a vacuum, just not to your taste.

You are telling me something on Thomson's pipe. But at the same time, for some reason, you did not bother to look at the fact that the gas flow does not require finding the electrode itself in the tube itself. Glow can occur if the electrode is not in it. Therefore, the movement of the "electron" from the cathode is simply excluded. What this speaks in favor of Hertz's hypothesis. who gave his idea that this is an indication of the interaction of gas with EM waves. The very same glow is photons, that is why they are cathode rays. which to the cathode itself. as a physical body have no relation. And the counting is the result of EM waves with the gas itself as a physical body, where this energy in the form of a photon comes out in the visible spectrum and nothing more.

You are just stuck in the ecology of Coulomb's time, who proposed an experiment with a torsion balance, in which there are two physical bodies in the form of a ball and Electromagnetic fields. which cannot be a separate substance from the environment itself, and it is precisely that which, in essence, is the very manifestation of the environment. Otherwise, all the silde interactions in the Coulomb torsion balance would have come from emptiness. And this is a complete discrepancy with your ignorance.

You are just stuck in the ecology of Coulomb's time, who proposed an experiment with a torsion balance, in which there are two physical bodies in the form of a ball and Electromagnetic fields. which cannot be a separate substance from the environment itself, and it is precisely that which, in essence, is the very manifestation of the environment. Otherwise, all force interactions in the Coulomb's torsional balance would come from emptiness. And this is a complete discrepancy with your ignorance.

I will not be surprised. if you are stuck in the idea that in a classical generator the energy in the conductor or winding is induced from the generator shaft. There is no such agent. which could transform the rotation of the shaft into the entry of energy from "your" emptiness, according to Poyngting-Heaviside, into the conductor itself.

If everything is not so, please tell me at least one working device. in which there is. what are you looking for? If yes - I am ready to take your point of view. If not, then all your reasoning has no practical basis.
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: stivep on May 07, 2021, 12:39:16 AM
PART #1 answer  to :

Your Russian friend is not quite in the Middle Ages, but this does not mean that you could surpass the ideas of Umov, Poynting, Heaviside.

Chronologically :
I asked you to get out of Middle-ages of Russian Science.

Historical Middle-ages was:
The period of European history from the fall of the Roman Empire in the West (5th century)
to the fall of Constantinople (1453), or, more narrowly, from c.1000 to 1453.
Russia didn't EVEN gain  from  SCIENCE IN  period of classical antiquity  (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_antiquity)  as Russia didn't exist yet.
Rus' state started  in  862 and was ruled ruled by Vikings.

But Homo erectus (https://www.bing.com/search?q=Homo%20erectus%20wikipedia&form=WIKIRE)  migrated from Western Asia to the North Caucasus (archaeological site of Kermek) about 2 million years ago,
And  you as an representative of modern Homo erectus (https://www.bing.com/search?q=Homo%20erectus%20wikipedia&form=WIKIRE) are standing in front of me now asking me to go back to year1644.

Nothing wrong my dear Russian friend .. we are all  animals - mammals.   :)
Aren't we?
 

I must agree that  ether(also spelled aether) was introduced into science by Descartesin Principia philosophiae in1644.
by René Descartes.....    but  Russia  was than  in middle ages yet. as East was   changing much  slower.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principles_of_Philosophy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principles_of_Philosophy#:~:text=Principles%20of%20Philosophy%20%28Latin%3A%20Principia%20Philosophiae%29%20is%20a,Bohemia%2C%20with%20whom%20Descartes%20had%20a%20long-standing%20friendship.)
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The West  surpassed  the East, after centuries of inferiority, in the exploitation of the physical world.
https://www.britannica.com/science/history-of-science/The-rise-of-modern-science (https://www.britannica.com/science/history-of-science/The-rise-of-modern-science)

AND THAT IS why I HAVE ASKED YOU TO GET OUT OF Russian MIDDLE-AGES.

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The history right before " modern science"  :

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the emergence (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergence) of modern science (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_science) during the early modern period (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_modern_period), when developments in mathematics (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_mathematics#Mathematics_during_the_Scientific_Revolution), physics (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_physics#Scientific_Revolution), astronomy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_astronomy#Renaissance_Period), biology (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_biology#Renaissance_and_early_modern_developments) (including human anatomy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_anatomy)) and chemistry (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_chemistry#17th_and_18th_centuries:_Early_chemistry) transformed the views of society about nature.[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_Revolution#cite_note-Galileo-1)[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_Revolution#cite_note-Moody-2)[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_Revolution#cite_note-Clagett-3)[4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_Revolution#cite_note-4)[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_Revolution#cite_note-Hannam,_James_2011_p342-5)[6] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_Revolution#cite_note-Grant-6)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_Revolution (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_Revolution)
The  observation,  identification,  description,  experimental  investigation,  and  theoretical  explanation  of  phenomena: new advances in science and technology, science of astronomy.
World was changing  and speeding up but EAST was  lagging behind with its Tzars ( Russian king)
and Russia was continuing   their - Archaic Knowledge,  especially  that  gained  through  experience.

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With the scientific revolution (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_revolution), paradigms established in the time of classical antiquity (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_antiquity) were replaced with those
of scientists like Nicolaus Copernicus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolaus_Copernicus), Galileo Galilei (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_Galilei), Christiaan Huygens (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christiaan_Huygens) and Isaac Newton (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Newton).[135] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_science#cite_note-135)
During the 19th century, the practice of science became professionalized and institutionalized in ways
that continued through the 20th century. As the role of scientific knowledge grew in society, it became
 incorporated with many aspects of the functioning of nation-states.[136] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_science#cite_note-Chiu-2011-136)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_science#Modern_science (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_science#Modern_science)
THERE WERE NO RUSSIANS THERE  YET ... science  didn't go there  that fast.
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Modern Science :

By the end of the 19th century,  (by Sir Francis Bacon (https://www.britannica.com/biography/Francis-Bacon-Viscount-Saint-Alban),)
Science was moving ahead on all fronts, reducing ignorance and producing new tools for the amelioration of the human condition
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The ether:

 look at  Part#2  right below


Wesley

 opinion expressed is entirely my own according to constitution   of USA
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: stivep on May 07, 2021, 03:51:49 AM
PART#2

Dmitri Ivanovich Mendeleev  Дмитрий Иванович Менделеев, 8 February 1834 – 2 February 1907
-chemist and inventor,  best remembered for formulating the Periodic Law and creating a farsighted version of the periodic table of elements.
Between 1859 and 1861, he worked on the capillarity of liquids (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capillary_action) and the workings of the spectroscope (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectroscope) in Heidelberg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heidelberg).
But if we compare today's Periodic Table and science it is much changed  .
And that is what "some"  Russian Pride  has a problem  with.
Please note  that he died  in 1907  10 years  before 1917 when everything  collapsed in Russia, due to  Soviet Revolution .
At  his death Einstein  Theory of relativity was only 2 years old.
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The ether:

The ether  was introduced into science by Descartesin Principia philosophiae in1644.
The ether(also spelled aether) was a concept in physics and it was made obsolete in 1905 by Einstein's theory of special relativity.

Umov, Poynting, Heaviside:
1.The Poynting vector is the watt per square metre (W/m ) was discovered byJohn Henry Poynting  in 1884.
   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poynting_vector (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poynting_vector)
2.Oliver Heaviside (1850–1925), the value of which is zero for negative arguments and one for positive arguments.
   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaviside_step_function (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaviside_step_function)
3.Nikolay Alekseevich Umov (Russian: Никола́й Алексе́евич У́мов;1846 – 15, 1915)
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolay_Umov (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolay_Umov)
 
For some  of these scientists theory of relativity and quantum physic was so much  unorthodox    and it came to late..
Umov  with his :  E = kmc2 with 0,5 ≤ k ≤ 1 as early as in 1873 was very close to later fame of Albert Einstein  .

Umov in 1874 had already solved a problem of the movement of energy in liquid and elastic media in completely generalized view.
However, the intense attention to this view has been attracted only after Poynting had presented a stream
of electromagnetic energy based on Maxwell equations [ten years later than Umov's publications].
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immediately after 1917 till today alcoholism  become not only russian problem but was widely spread to all occupied/controlled  by Soviet union territory as drunk man is half of his power to protest and very drunk Russian is powerless.

Written to all Russian human animals - mammals:
https://gradesfixer.com/free-essay-examples/dont-be-such-an-animal-placing-humankind-among-the-mammals-in-descent-of-man/ (https://gradesfixer.com/free-essay-examples/dont-be-such-an-animal-placing-humankind-among-the-mammals-in-descent-of-man/)
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Darwin says, “monkeys have a strong taste for tea, coffee, and spirituous liquors: they will also, as I have myself seen, smoke tobacco with pleasure” (Darwin, 23).
And here  we are at  very center of  our Russian Friend  confusion.
As I said I have very great respect to Russians as a people but that is all about that, and not much more than that..
No their history nor their structure, or set of values  since 1917 to its present governing and structural reality
is worth your stress and emotion my  dear Western World  readers.

But I had to  point at that  AS IT IS IMPORTANT  TO OUR EXPLANATION  why EATHER  died in 1905 and some of us still talks about it.





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In  1 January 1865 J. Clerk Maxwell (13 June 1831 – 5 November 1879) published his
A Dynamical Theory of the Electromagnetic Field
http://www.bem.fi/library/1865-001.pdf (http://www.bem.fi/library/1865-001.pdf)
It was a great 4  formulas we use till today  .
that was foundation  the basis for  Albert Einstein  1905 revelation.
But he  was evolving in world  that had not yet  better theory  than  theory of Ether
The ether, in the view of Maxwell and almost all physicists at that time, permeates all space and has many of the characteristics of a polarizable dielectric (https://www.tau.ac.il/~tsirel/dump/Static/knowino.org/wiki/Dielectric.html).
 Maxwell was of the opinion that terrestrial optical experiments aimed at determining Fresnel's ether drag, which is quadratic [i.e., of order (v/c)2],
are not sensitive enough to detect the influence of the drag.
just remember that he was mathematician  only..

The ether concept became especially predominant in the 19th century by the work of Young (http://knowino.org/w/index.php?title=Thomas_Young&action=edit&redlink=1) and Fresnel (http://knowino.org/w/index.php?title=Augustin-Jean_Fresnel&action=edit&redlink=1) who revived Huygens (https://www.tau.ac.il/~tsirel/dump/Static/knowino.org/wiki/Christiaan_Huygens.html)' wave theory of light. 
They replaced Newton (https://www.tau.ac.il/~tsirel/dump/Static/knowino.org/wiki/Newton.html)'s light corpuscles by waves propagating through the ether. In order to explain stellar aberration (http://knowino.org/w/index.php?title=Stellar_aberration&action=edit&redlink=1), first observed in the 1720s and
then shown to be caused by the velocity of Earth relative to the velocity of Newton's light corpuscles, Young (1804) assumed ether to be in a state of
absolute rest.  Maxwell (https://www.tau.ac.il/~tsirel/dump/Static/knowino.org/wiki/James_Clerk_Maxwell.html)  showed in the 1860s that light waves are electromagnetic waves (https://www.tau.ac.il/~tsirel/dump/Static/knowino.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_wave.html) transverse (perpendicular) to the direction
of the propagation  of the waves.
Following Young and Fresnel,  Maxwell assumed that electromagnetic waves are vibrations of the ether.
The Michelson-Morley Experiment
Albert Abraham Michelson (http://knowino.org/w/index.php?title=Albert_Abraham_Michelson&action=edit&redlink=1) disagreed with Maxwell, judging that it was possible to observe quadratic effects on Earth.
 he built an interferometer (http://knowino.org/w/index.php?title=Interferometer&action=edit&redlink=1) that was sensitive enough to detect effects of the order (v/c)2 and tried  to determine the speed v of Earth with respect to the ether.
Michelson aimed to measure the speed of the "ether wind".
 Edwin Williams Morley (http://knowino.org/w/index.php?title=Edwin_Williams_Morley&action=edit&redlink=1), a chemist from Western Reserve University, also in Cleveland. They built an new interferometer
and in August 1887 they measured again a null effect (a speed of  4.7 km/s or less was found, while 30 km/s was expected). [8
 (https://www.tau.ac.il/~tsirel/dump/Static/knowino.org/wiki/Ether_(physics).html#cite_note-7)
Heinrich Rudolf Hertz

in the mid-1880s when Heinrich Rudolf Hertz (http://knowino.org/w/index.php?title=Heinrich_Rudolf_Hertz&action=edit&redlink=1)  was able to generate waves of the kind predicted by Maxwell.
(Hertz produced electromagnetic waves of wavelengths from a  centimeter to a meter, much longer than the wavelengths
of visible light that are on the order of 500 nm).
IT WAS The LAST DAYS OF ETHER .


SO WHAT ELSE WAS GOING ON THERE AT THAT TIME:

In the 19th century it was known that transverse waves are not possible in a gas or a liquid, but only in a solid; 
hence ether was thought to have solid-like properties.
Since light  behaves in closed rooms the same as in open fields, and many materials are transparent to light,
ether was assumed to fill up all of space and all of matter.
Thus, at the end of the 19th century physicists had  a picture of the ether as a quasi-rigid  solid
(not completely rigid because it can vibrate), luminiferous (light carrying) medium that is  massless and transparent,
at absolute rest, and present everywhere.
Today, the concept of ether does not play a role any longer in physics,

Newton

Newton in  1675  suggested:
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-three mechanisms by which light may proceed through the ether.
-"multitudes of unimaginable small and swift corpuscles of various sizes springing from shining bodies"
Hooke's and Huygens' in (1642 – 1727).
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All space is permeated by an elastic medium or aether, which is capable of propagating vibrations.
This aether pervades the pores of all material bodies and is the cause of their cohesion; its density varies from
one body to another, being greatest in the free interplanetary spaces.

Thomas Young and Augustin-Jean Fresnel.

Thomas Young revived the undulatory (wave) theory of light in 1800.[4] (https://www.tau.ac.il/~tsirel/dump/Static/knowino.org/wiki/Ether_(physics).html#cite_note-3).
He noticed that Newton's emission theory:
a light source emits corpuscles—had problems with the interference (http://knowino.org/w/index.php?title=Interference&action=edit&redlink=1)
of light and with the simultaneous refraction and reflection of light falling under an angle on the surface of water.
Augustin-Jean Fresnel (http://knowino.org/w/index.php?title=Augustin-Jean_Fresnel&action=edit&redlink=1). Both  recognized that  stellar aberration (http://knowino.org/w/index.php?title=Stellar_aberration&action=edit&redlink=1) needed to be explained by undulatory theory.
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Ether in the second half of the 19th century:
Michael Faraday (https://www.tau.ac.il/~tsirel/dump/Static/knowino.org/wiki/Michael_Faraday.html),
one of the fathers of electromagnetism (https://www.tau.ac.il/~tsirel/dump/Static/knowino.org/wiki/Electromagnetism.html), had a strong dislike of hypothetical entities for which no convincing experimental evidence existed.
he was  skeptical about the existence of the ether.

Oliver Heaviside

1889 Oliver Heaviside (http://knowino.org/w/index.php?title=Oliver_Heaviside&action=edit&redlink=1), one of the founding fathers of electromagnetic theory, impacted Ether  good !!:[11]
 (https://www.tau.ac.il/~tsirel/dump/Static/knowino.org/wiki/Ether_(physics).html#cite_note-10)
His question of the motion of the ether.:
 -Does it move when "bodies" move through it, or does it remain at rest?
-what is the speed of the Earth and light on Earth with respect to the ether.
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Decline of the ether (1905)

At the end of the 19th century the ether served two purposes:
-first and foremost it was a transport medium for electromagnetic vibrations.
-Secondly it offered an absolute frame of reference.

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The death knell of the ether tolled in 1905, when Einstein published his special theory of relativity (https://www.tau.ac.il/~tsirel/dump/Static/knowino.org/wiki/Special_relativity.html).[13] (https://www.tau.ac.il/~tsirel/dump/Static/knowino.org/wiki/Ether_(physics).html#cite_note-12) [14] (https://www.tau.ac.il/~tsirel/dump/Static/knowino.org/wiki/Ether_(physics).html#cite_note-13)
Einstein assumed that an absolute reference frame does not exist and, even more than that, he showed that physics is not in need of such a frame.
He declared that all inertial frames are equivalent, one cannot prefer one over another (see special relativity (https://www.tau.ac.il/~tsirel/dump/Static/knowino.org/wiki/Special_relativity.html)). At one stroke he solved the problem of the speed of light, too:
-this speed is the same in any inertial frame, and is independent of
the velocity that a frame may have with respect to any of the infinitely many other inertial frames. In his 1905 paper Einstein refers to the ether only once:
The introduction of a "luminiferous aether" (Lichtäther) will prove to be superfluous inasmuch as the view here to be developed will not require an "absolutely stationary space"
provided with special properties, nor assign a velocity vector to a point of the empty space in which electromagnetic processes take place.



Defenders of the ether still remained after 1905, however, since a number of physicists failed to read or understand Einstein,
and those who did, came only gradually to a full appreciation of its impact on the ether.
Not until about 1910 did the general opinion of physicists shift away from the ether.
Among the more stubborn hold-outs were Oliver Lodge (http://knowino.org/w/index.php?title=Oliver_Lodge&action=edit&redlink=1), A. A. Michelson (http://knowino.org/w/index.php?title=A._A._Michelson&action=edit&redlink=1), and Joseph John Thomson (http://knowino.org/w/index.php?title=Joseph_John_Thomson&action=edit&redlink=1).
This older group of physicists gradually died out and was replaced by a new generation that had grown
up with Einstein’s theory and for which ether was an esoteric historical concept like phlogiston (http://knowino.org/w/index.php?title=Phlogiston&action=edit&redlink=1).

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history of ether/eather is here  click on that link
 (https://www.tau.ac.il/~tsirel/dump/Static/knowino.org/wiki/Ether_(physics).html#:~:text=The%20ether%28also%20spelledaether%29%20was%20a%20concept%20in%20physicsmade,was%20introduced%20into%20science%20by%20Descartesin%20Principia%20philosophiae%281644%29.)


So why we have problem with our Russian friend here  :


 look in PART #3
Wesley


opinion expressed is entirely my own according to constitution   of USA
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: stivep on May 07, 2021, 05:26:31 AM


PART #3
So why we have problem with our Russian friend here  :


In 1917 group of Russians decided to  dethrone the Tzar ( king of Russia)
Russians murdered Tzar with his wife, his children,  his servants, and children of his servants including  their pets  in 1918.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Execution_of_the_Romanov_family (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Execution_of_the_Romanov_family)
started WW2 together and cooperating with with Hitler
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact# (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact#):
in September 17 1939  after invasion in Finland and Baltic's countries?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Poland (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Poland)
That is what  Stalin did  toRussian science.
https://www.theatlantic.com/science (https://www.theatlantic.com/science)
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Russia  changed to Soviet Union  known  as CCCP:
In 1961 however Soviet Union  had in full motion the best ever Russian invention
The system of Russian Education.
That system started in Stalin time
but in 1961 till 1990 it was in its most perfected from .
It was system of oppression when everything that was  from Western World  was bad and
everything in Soviet  Oppression and terror system was good .

Soviet education system was  for free at every level and helped not only Soviet. Russia
but other countries under soviet terror to get  the best in the world wide education .
As much as Scientists were imprisoned  and working as slaves in Russian Sharahskah
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharashka (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharashka)
for them it was better than death.

Sergei Korolev 1907 – 14 January 1966)

was tortured  in Rusian concentration kamp and  made possible
for Russians to  send Gagarin to space ..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Korolev (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Korolev)
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so what was so good in that Russian education system: ?
Stalin and all soviet regimes killed more  people than  the number of totally  lost in battle in WW2 by every country involved.
Some figures oscillate between 40- 75 millions but even if we cut it in half it is still minimum 25 millions
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_repression_in_the_Soviet_Union (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_repression_in_the_Soviet_Union)

So he was in need to have  replacement for these who  were "eliminated" - liquidated  by terror and its troiki:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NKVD_troika (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NKVD_troika)

Education was very broad  including art , (singing,  playing instruments, sculpture,painting)
Russian and  Polish and Czechoslovakian , and Rumanian,  Hungarian... all of them they had  long school hours and
- "no sorry .. you must perform!!!"
Millions of  very broadly educated people were better  than any nation in the world in almost everything ..
Yes it is hard to believe in it  right?
Typical Russian could draw , sing, repair car, saw, project and build a house, weld, work on
lathe and milling machine  - the  nation of omnibuses..
People  there were living in constant fear .
They didn't know  any longer what they are  afraid of .. That fear made them to learn
because if they don't than!!!.... Well they didn't have any longer  any  idea what the consequences are ...
Nothing was set,  Fear was like a sickens, you could live with it  somehow, and even forget that you are in pain.


For Stalin terror  it was good.
If he was in need to arrest or terminate  anyone, it was always  an army  of people with similar skills ready to
take their place.

Think about  factory of spare parts:
 And you have  plenty parts  waiting just to be  used so you as a tzar can brake every rules of humanity
and your mechanism is still operational.

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Western World didn't have such  broad education and was not in need for it.
That made people becoming narrow professionals but  extremely good one

1  Russian could  do that what 10 different  Americans could do but it took him 20 times longer
as he was not good in anything   yet.
Yes thanks to  being  educated  in so many fields  Russians adapted very quickly
and that  helped them survive and succeed if they were lucky to  run form Soviet  territory.
Western system of values was just better  for  narrow professionalism and high level of skills.
Civilization is ruled by  need to  learn quick,become good, make money .
Narrow  professionals need others who are  narrowly good in something else.

THERE IS NO APPLICATION  FOR  OMNIBUSES-
Genius of kids.. is recognized  by speed  of collecting knowledge and skills but doesn't have application.
It is just  a public attraction.

Second problem for Soviet Union was that educated people have needs other than only
basic  survival.  That created opposition and made more scientists to be killed or imprisoned.
After collapse of  CCCP in 1990  there was  banditism , mafia, poverty
and collapse of  everything including soviet system of education.

The new mutant was born on the  dirt of CCCP :
-the Russian Federation
that is till now for past 21 years
ruled by  Putin.
Propaganda:
Again if something was done and it was not Russian it is bad...
All media belongs or are under control of Russian government
Science is politically  and ideologically controlled .
You are no longer  rewarded by your scientific  value but by
bribes, connections, theft, falsification of someone  else work .

2 days ago Russian government decided that they can steal
any inventor  intellectual property because they need the technology .
can you believe it?
https://www.ip-watch.org/2016/04/18/russia-new-amendments-would-allow-use-of-inventions-without-permission-of-patent-holders/ (https://www.ip-watch.org/2016/04/18/russia-new-amendments-would-allow-use-of-inventions-without-permission-of-patent-holders/)

Old teachers died out .
New teachers  earn around $170 per month.
The young  Russians are looking to way out from Russia.
101 years from  Russian revolution Russia is going down.

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Russian Nation  is  very much driven by national values, love to the country 
intensified by propaganda pointing  at their  achievement ..
It is easier  to  make zombi brains  instead of paying  for the brains.
by that  any form of criticism of Russian science or anything that is Russian  is
in Russia punished by law.

Example:
Even standing on the street  with empty piece of paper in your  hands - is considered protest up to 3 years in prison.
For "like" under video or twit  sometime  people get 7 years of heavy prison.
Russian Constitution says something  but life in Russia says something else.




Conclusions:
In all of it  that is me  who with  all respect to our Russian friend  is making  comments and in Russia  I would be punished  by law.
I wish him the best  I can
I would love to  see him here in New York USA where most of us is/are not  that widely educated as Russians
that already died  out naturally  or with help  of  Soviet Terror.
And new ones  grow up as no longer  omnibuses as  soviet  system  doesn't exist any longer.


The worst  and most difficult task is to explain  to some Russians that they are fundamentally mistaken.
Some  of them are brainwashed  and aggression is their  form of  reaction  in such...
Criticism is not about  insulting you Ilyia but about  civilized way to  show you that you are totally wrong.
I can be wrong too.... but not at this time.

Instead of trying to dispute  with  Ilyia about his  challenges in science and "Dynamic Eather"
https://www.gsjournal.net/Science-Journals/Essays-Gravity/Download/5055 (https://www.gsjournal.net/Science-Journals/Essays-Gravity/Download/5055)
 by Lew Paxton Price
I decided to  create  explanation  of evolution and  history of Ether/Eather and how science  rejected it.

For these who still have problem with it  there is  fundamental question:
Show me  just one  convincing  explanation of Eather in wikipedia  or  any  scientific publication.

https://www.tau (https://www.tau.ac.il/~tsirel/dump/Static/knowino.org/wiki/Ether_(physics).html#:~:text=The%20ether%28also%20spelledaether%29%20was%20a%20concept%20in%20physicsmade,was%20introduced%20into%20science%20by%20Descartesin%20Principia%20philosophiae%281644%29.)
Wesley
 Legal note :
 opinion expressed is entirely my own according to constitution   of USA
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: Ilya Tsimbaluk on May 07, 2021, 06:31:42 AM
Greetings, I don’t have a lot of time to conduct controversy, since I now spend a lot of time experimenting and organizing my own projects. I will try to explain one point - Einstein is not an engineer, and most likely. that he did not hold a soldering iron in his hands. All Einstein did was to pack some of the work beautifully. which he, as a showman, was able to popularize. Questions. which he tried to consider in the theory of relativity and the special theory of relativity is a mathematical continuation of Lawrence's attempt to explain some phenomena by the method of mathematical abstraction. But the mathematical abstraction built on motionless or other ethers was correct. except for the hypothesis of motionless ether. Lorenz could not give an explanation of inertia, although some American scientists who introduced the concept of Ether made just an attempt to explain what inertia is, as a certain state of Physical Vacuum, which manifests itself in no way carried away or motionless, but dynamic. This logic of thinking appeals to me. Because these explanations do not help in considering those processes. which I consider in my experiments.

But the interaction of the physical body and the Physical Vacuum (Ether) is a more complex concept than Lorentz's clumsy attempts to explain it. because this is a more complex topic than just shrinking or transforming in space and time coordinates.
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: stivep on May 07, 2021, 02:46:04 PM
I don’t have a lot of time to conduct controversy,
no my dear Russian friend - it is not true that you  have no time.
-you simply  have nothing to say in form of response,.. and you are the controversy..

Einstein is not an engineer, and most likely. that he did not hold a soldering iron in his hands.
 All Einstein did was to pack some of the work beautifully. which he, as a showman, was able to popularize.
Yes I agree it is possible. most of surgeons in our civilized part of the world didn't  use solder gun too.


Questions. which he tried to consider in the theory of relativity and the special theory of relativity is a mathematical continuation
of Lawrence's attempt to explain some phenomena by the method of mathematical abstraction.
But the mathematical abstraction built on motionless or other ethers was correct. except for the hypothesis of motionless ether.
Dear Russian  you can't provide me with scientific evaluation of  motionless Eather  vs Dynamic Eather  or Eather  at any form and any scientist
paper after 1945.



Lorenz could not give an explanation of inertia, although some American scientists who introduced the concept of
Ether made just an attempt to explain what inertia is, as a certain state of Physical Vacuum,
which manifests itself in no way carried away or motionless, but dynamic. This logic of thinking appeals to me.
Because these explanations do not help in considering those processes. which I consider in my experiments.But the interaction of the physical body and the Physical Vacuum (Ether) is a more complex concept than Lorentz's
clumsy attempts to explain it. because this is a more complex topic than just shrinking or transforming in space and time coordinates.
My dear Russian - You can't even provide me  the names of these Americans who  introduced Eather  and these who fallowed  their steps..


Think about yourself  Dear Ilya Tsimbaluk as about Russian who is looking at perfectly made  scientific bread.
Every piece of this bread is at Swiss, German, American  quality  and standards.
example:
GDR occupied  by Soviets made Trabant:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trabant (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trabant)
GDR  is Germany now .. 
 compare :
-that GDR only after few years of freedom  from Russian/soviet occupation. 
with
-Russia today..
 
 


But for Some Russians it is too perfect, and is drastically outperforming  any Russian top Hi Tek.
As Russia now is only  a cheap gas station for  the world.
Nothing or almost nothing is made there .
Russian science is devastated , life  condition too,
freedom of you saying how "Russian bread" is bad  makes you to go to  jail.

And you are  looking now at early stage  of this piece of art created by  Western world.
You are looking at  some mistakes they made  in  the  early days of that science.
And yes you right.
Yes some postulates of our scientists were mistaken, wrong,
but we corrected it and in Russia they likely  didn't.



So because of these and  other uncorrected mistakes Russia of today is feudal,mutant  (at level of $170/ mo  in average) of  soviet collapse suffering  from delusional
ideas of its dictators . Surrealistic Russian reality doesn't react with answers.
 You Ilya are likely the miniature copy  of it.
I would like to see you prospering, famous, wealthy, happy, and free,
I wish you the best my friend

Wesley
 

legal note:
 opinion expressed is my own according to  constitution of USA
 
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: lancaIV on May 07, 2021, 04:37:24 PM

A. A.Einstein and his Autismn !


B. probably he also worked "as solder" https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.muenchen.tv/historische-fakten-albert-einstein-und-die-wiesn-12217/ (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.muenchen.tv/historische-fakten-albert-einstein-und-die-wiesn-12217/)


https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein)
Munich and school education until 1894The family moved to Munich (https://qm3jj6o4dtpgiexhayd7sq5vpq-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/M%C3%BCnchen) shortly after Albert was born in 1880 , where his father and uncle founded a small business for gas and water installation in October 1880. As this was economically satisfactory, they decided in 1885, with the support of the entire family, to set up their own factory for electrical devices (Elektrotechnische Fabrik J. Einstein & Cie) . [8] (https://qm3jj6o4dtpgiexhayd7sq5vpq-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Albert_Einstein#cite_note-8) His father's company was successful and supplied power plants in Munich-Schwabing, Varese (https://qm3jj6o4dtpgiexhayd7sq5vpq-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Varese) and Susa (https://qm3jj6o4dtpgiexhayd7sq5vpq-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Susa_(Piemont))(Italy).



Switzerland 1895–1914The way to study: Matura in Aarau




In the spring and summer of 1895 Einstein stayed in Pavia (https://qm3jj6o4dtpgiexhayd7sq5vpq-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Pavia) , where his parents lived temporarily, and helped out in the company. He made trips to the Alps and the Apennines (https://qm3jj6o4dtpgiexhayd7sq5vpq-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Apennin) and visited his uncle Julius Koch in Genoa (https://qm3jj6o4dtpgiexhayd7sq5vpq-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Genua) . During this time, the 16-year-old Einstein wrote his first scientific work, an essay (https://qm3jj6o4dtpgiexhayd7sq5vpq-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Essay) entitled  On the Investigation of the State of Ether in the Magnetic Field, [16] (https://qm3jj6o4dtpgiexhayd7sq5vpq-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Albert_Einstein#cite_note-16) and sent it to his uncle Caesar Koch (1854–1941), who lived in Belgium (https://qm3jj6o4dtpgiexhayd7sq5vpq-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Belgien), for assessment. The work was never published as a scientific contribution in a journal and remained in the form of a discussion contribution. [17] (https://qm3jj6o4dtpgiexhayd7sq5vpq-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Albert_Einstein#cite_note-AH_91_93-17)




Do You both know this work ? I not !


https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.m.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FMarcel_Grossmann (https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.m.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FMarcel_Grossmann)


https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.m.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FHeinrich_Friedrich_Weber (https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.m.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FHeinrich_Friedrich_Weber)


From the first publications to the famous formula E = mc² (1905)
→ Main article : History of special relativity (https://qm3jj6o4dtpgiexhayd7sq5vpq-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Geschichte_der_speziellen_Relativit%C3%A4tstheorie)

Einstein's dissertation, 1905


Albert Einstein on a German special postage stamp (https://qm3jj6o4dtpgiexhayd7sq5vpq-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Briefmarken-Jahrgang_2005_der_Bundesrepublik_Deutschland) for the year of physics 2005In 1905, at the age of 26 , (https://qm3jj6o4dtpgiexhayd7sq5vpq-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Ver%C3%B6ffentlichung) Einstein published (https://qm3jj6o4dtpgiexhayd7sq5vpq-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Ver%C3%B6ffentlichung) five of his most important works:On March 17, 1905, he finished his work on the photoelectric effect (https://qm3jj6o4dtpgiexhayd7sq5vpq-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Photoelektrischer_Effekt) , which he then published as On a heuristic point of view concerning the generation and transformation of light [27] (https://qm3jj6o4dtpgiexhayd7sq5vpq-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Albert_Einstein#cite_note-27) .On April 30, 1905, he completed his dissertation  (https://qm3jj6o4dtpgiexhayd7sq5vpq-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Dissertation)A New Determination of Molecular Dimensions, [28] (https://qm3jj6o4dtpgiexhayd7sq5vpq-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Albert_Einstein#cite_note-28) with which he submitted his doctoral application to Professors Alfred Kleiner (https://qm3jj6o4dtpgiexhayd7sq5vpq-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Alfred_Kleiner) and Heinrich Burkhardt (https://qm3jj6o4dtpgiexhayd7sq5vpq-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Heinrich_Burkhardt_(Mathematiker)) on July 20 at the University of Zurich (https://qm3jj6o4dtpgiexhayd7sq5vpq-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Universit%C3%A4t_Z%C3%BCrich) . He chose the University of Zurich because there was an agreement with the Polytechnic where Einstein had studied, and the Rigorosum (oral examination) was not required there. In his dissertation he calculated the size of sugar molecules in solution and from this a value for the Avogadro constant (https://qm3jj6o4dtpgiexhayd7sq5vpq-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Avogadro-Konstante). It is related to his work on Brownian molecular motion, published in the same year, and supported the atomic hypothesis , which at the time was still controversial among leading physicists ( Wilhelm Ostwald (https://qm3jj6o4dtpgiexhayd7sq5vpq-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Wilhelm_Ostwald) , Ernst Mach (https://qm3jj6o4dtpgiexhayd7sq5vpq-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Ernst_Mach) ). The work was accepted relatively quickly by Burkhardt and Kleiner (the doctoral procedure was completed in July). Paul Drude (https://qm3jj6o4dtpgiexhayd7sq5vpq-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Paul_Drude) , the editor of the Annalen der Physik, to whom Einstein had sent the work, was not satisfied with the value found for the Avogadro constant and asked for improvements, which Einstein also delivered. [29] (https://qm3jj6o4dtpgiexhayd7sq5vpq-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Albert_Einstein#cite_note-29)This led to a six-month delay in publication and Einstein was therefore only formally awarded his doctorate on January 15, 1906. Four years later (1909), when Jean Perrin's (https://qm3jj6o4dtpgiexhayd7sq5vpq-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Jean_Perrin) experiments became known, Einstein turned to Perrin for an experimental review, and at the same time Ludwig Hopf (https://qm3jj6o4dtpgiexhayd7sq5vpq-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Ludwig_Hopf_(Mathematiker)) , whom Einstein had asked to review his dissertation, found a mistake in his dissertation that was the result had falsified. Einstein then sent a correction to the annals in 1911. [size=0.75em][30] (https://qm3jj6o4dtpgiexhayd7sq5vpq-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Albert_Einstein#cite_note-30)His publication on Brownian molecular  (https://qm3jj6o4dtpgiexhayd7sq5vpq-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Brownsche_Bewegung)motion followed on May 11, 1905 : On the motion of particles suspended in liquids at rest, required by the molecular kinetic theory of heat. [31] (https://qm3jj6o4dtpgiexhayd7sq5vpq-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Albert_Einstein#cite_note-31)On June 30, 1905, Einstein submitted his treatise on the electrodynamics of moving bodies . [32] (https://qm3jj6o4dtpgiexhayd7sq5vpq-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Albert_Einstein#cite_note-32) Shortly afterwards, Einstein made his addendum. Does the inertia of a body depend on its energy content? [33] (https://qm3jj6o4dtpgiexhayd7sq5vpq-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Albert_Einstein#cite_note-33)The latter implicitly contains for the first time the most famous formula in the world, E = mc² (energy equals mass times the speed of light squared, equivalence of mass and energy (https://qm3jj6o4dtpgiexhayd7sq5vpq-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/%C3%84quivalenz_von_Masse_und_Energie) ). Both works together are now known as the special theory of relativity (https://qm3jj6o4dtpgiexhayd7sq5vpq-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Spezielle_Relativit%C3%A4tstheorie) .The year 1905 was therefore an extremely fruitful year, one also speaks of the annus mirabilis (https://qm3jj6o4dtpgiexhayd7sq5vpq-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Annus_mirabilis) (miracle year). Carl Friedrich von Weizsäcker (https://qm3jj6o4dtpgiexhayd7sq5vpq-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Carl_Friedrich_von_Weizs%C3%A4cker) later wrote:

“1905 an explosion of genius. Four publications on various topics, each of which, as they say today, is worthy of the Nobel Prize: the special theory of relativity (https://qm3jj6o4dtpgiexhayd7sq5vpq-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Spezielle_Relativit%C3%A4tstheorie) , the light quantum hypothesis (https://qm3jj6o4dtpgiexhayd7sq5vpq-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Photon), the confirmation of the molecular structure of matter (https://qm3jj6o4dtpgiexhayd7sq5vpq-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Materie_(Physik))through the 'Brownian movement', the quantum-theoretical explanation of the specific heat of (https://qm3jj6o4dtpgiexhayd7sq5vpq-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/W%C3%A4rme) solid bodies. "

- Carl Friedrich von Weizsäcker [34] (https://qm3jj6o4dtpgiexhayd7sq5vpq-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Albert_Einstein#cite_note-34)The steps up to the new theory of gravity When Einstein started the long journey from the special to the general theory of relativity in 1907, he was still a largely unknown employee in the Bern patent office.


At the end of the road, in 1915, he was a professor in Berlin who was already highly respected in specialist circles, who, as Max Planck (https://qm3jj6o4dtpgiexhayd7sq5vpq-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Max_Planck) later said, could only be “measured by the achievements of Johannes Kepler and Isaac Newton”.

[35] (https://qm3jj6o4dtpgiexhayd7sq5vpq-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Albert_Einstein#cite_note-35)
The road to the general theory of relativity began in 1907 with the flash of inspiration that Einstein called "the happiest thought of my life" [36] (https://qm3jj6o4dtpgiexhayd7sq5vpq-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Albert_Einstein#cite_note-36)referred to, on the other hand, with a limitation of his previous work on relativity, which was of a fundamental nature. The latter was the insight that the speed of light under the influence of gravity is not a constant, the special theory of relativity could only be valid under the condition that there was no gravity, as Einstein repeated in an essay from 1911: “The theory of relativity has shown that the inert mass of a body increases with its energy content. (...) The so satisfactory result of the theory of relativity, according to which the principle of the conservation of mass merges into the principle of the conservation of energy, could not be maintained. " [37] (https://qm3jj6o4dtpgiexhayd7sq5vpq-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Albert_Einstein#cite_note-37)
The flash of inspiration, on the other hand, concerned the equivalence between inert and heavy mass, i.e. the correspondence between the constant acceleration of a reference system and gravity: “I was sitting on my chair in the Bern patent office when the following thought suddenly occurred to me: 'When a person is in free fall 'Then she doesn't feel her own weight'. I was amazed. That simple thought made a deep impression on me. He drove me towards a theory of gravity. " [38] (https://qm3jj6o4dtpgiexhayd7sq5vpq-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Albert_Einstein#cite_note-38)
However, more than three years would pass before the first paper in which this flash of inspiration led to a more detailed physical formulation, because "From December 1907 to June 1911 (...) Einstein did not comment on questions of gravity," said his friend and Biographer Abraham Pais (https://qm3jj6o4dtpgiexhayd7sq5vpq-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Abraham_Pais) . [39] (https://qm3jj6o4dtpgiexhayd7sq5vpq-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Albert_Einstein#cite_note-39)

In 1908, however, there was a groundbreaking innovation that Einstein was initially skeptical about and which he even dismissed as “superfluous erudition” [40] (https://qm3jj6o4dtpgiexhayd7sq5vpq-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Albert_Einstein#cite_note-40) : the mathematical formulation of space-time (https://qm3jj6o4dtpgiexhayd7sq5vpq-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Raumzeit) by his former teacher Hermann Minkowski (https://qm3jj6o4dtpgiexhayd7sq5vpq-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Hermann_Minkowski) , whose authorship of this revolutionary concept was later by Einstein was expressly recognized and appreciated. [41] (https://qm3jj6o4dtpgiexhayd7sq5vpq-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Albert_Einstein#cite_note-41)

In the Minkowski space (https://qm3jj6o4dtpgiexhayd7sq5vpq-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Minkowski-Raum) , the relative ratio of the sizes of space and time in the special theory of relativity can be clearly represented as a rotation by setting an imaginary unit of time. It was not until 1912 that Einstein was convinced of the advantages of the Minkowski room.

Some of the most important essays of the later general relativity theory (https://qm3jj6o4dtpgiexhayd7sq5vpq-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Allgemeine_Relativit%C3%A4tstheorie) at a glance:About the principle of relativity and the conclusions drawn from it.About the influence of gravity on the propagation of light. According to Huygens' principle, Einstein only found a deviation of the light rays from fixed stars near the sun of 0.83 arc seconds, [42] (https://qm3jj6o4dtpgiexhayd7sq5vpq-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Albert_Einstein#cite_note-42) the value calculated using the field equations of 1915 was 1.7 arc seconds. [43] (https://qm3jj6o4dtpgiexhayd7sq5vpq-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Albert_Einstein#cite_note-43)Draft of a generalized theory of relativity and a theory of gravity. I. Physical part of Albert Einstein. II. Mathematical part by Marcel Grossmann. [44] (https://qm3jj6o4dtpgiexhayd7sq5vpq-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Albert_Einstein#cite_note-44)Nordstrom's theory of gravity from the standpoint of the general differential calculus. With AD Fokker (https://qm3jj6o4dtpgiexhayd7sq5vpq-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Adriaan_Dani%C3%ABl_Fokker) . [45] (https://qm3jj6o4dtpgiexhayd7sq5vpq-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Albert_Einstein#cite_note-45) A reaction to Gunnar Nordström's (https://qm3jj6o4dtpgiexhayd7sq5vpq-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Gunnar_Nordstr%C3%B6m) alternative theory of gravity and a "publication which is of considerable interest for the history of general relativity because it is Einstein's first treatment of the theory of gravity in which general covariance is strictly valid". [46] (https://qm3jj6o4dtpgiexhayd7sq5vpq-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Albert_Einstein#cite_note-46)To the general theory of relativity. November 4, 1915.Since the still conventional definition of the distance in flat (not curved) Minkowski space does not apply equally to curved spacetime, it had to be replaced there by a more abstract expression, just as a geometry was required with which Gauss's surface theory of curved spaces was required could be expanded in four dimensions. Einstein's mathematical knowledge at the time was insufficient, so in 1912 he turned to his former fellow student Marcel Grossmann (https://qm3jj6o4dtpgiexhayd7sq5vpq-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Marcel_Grossmann)who was now professor of mathematics in Zurich. Einstein had “asked him to go to the library to see if there was a suitable theory for dealing with such questions. The next day Grossmann came (...) and said that there really was such a geometry, namely Riemannian geometry. " [47] (https://qm3jj6o4dtpgiexhayd7sq5vpq-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Albert_Einstein#cite_note-47)
As a result, Grossmann not only sought out the works of Riemann (https://qm3jj6o4dtpgiexhayd7sq5vpq-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Bernhard_Riemann) , but also those of Christoffel (https://qm3jj6o4dtpgiexhayd7sq5vpq-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Elwin_Bruno_Christoffel) , Ricci (https://qm3jj6o4dtpgiexhayd7sq5vpq-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Gregorio_Ricci-Curbastro) and his pupil Levi-Civita (https://qm3jj6o4dtpgiexhayd7sq5vpq-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Tullio_Levi-Civita) , some of which were already doing research on the absolute differential calculus in curved spaces, the formulation of the Christoffels symbols (https://qm3jj6o4dtpgiexhayd7sq5vpq-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Christoffelsymbole) for tensor analysis and the covariant derivation (https://qm3jj6o4dtpgiexhayd7sq5vpq-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Kovariante_Ableitung) had developed the mathematical instruments in the 19th and sometimes only in the 20th century, which now proved to be indispensable for the formulation of the general theory of relativity. [48]  (https://qm3jj6o4dtpgiexhayd7sq5vpq-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Albert_Einstein#cite_note-48)[49] (https://qm3jj6o4dtpgiexhayd7sq5vpq-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Albert_Einstein#cite_note-49)
However, it took another three years to formulate the idea of ​​a gravitational field in which the metrics of the four-dimensional, curved spatiotemporal continuum and the factors of energy and momentum are mutually dependent, which Einstein achieved on November 4, 1915 .



Discussing about A.Einstein needs also to know his scientifical ambient and with whom he disputed "Quantumphysics"-questions !



ART and SRT : by whom (pre-)defined ? Question related :  https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mileva_Mari%25C4%2587 (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mileva_Mari%25C4%2587) 


Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: stivep on May 07, 2021, 06:48:33 PM
Thank You
Dear Lanka IV
Great  lecture
Wesley
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: Ilya Tsimbaluk on May 07, 2021, 08:12:18 PM
I don't quite understand what you are writing to be honest.
I personally am not attached to anything or anyone.
I’m here only because there’s a forum to discuss alternative physics issues. energy and so on. Are you sure that this is a historical forum dedicated to Russia?

I perfectly understand that now, in terms of the development of startups, Silicon Valley is one of the sensational places where minds from all over the world flock, not only from Russia. And of course I am working on the installation. to present your devices exactly there.
I have no class. no political prejudice.

I personally do not identify myself with any Russian or any science at all. I do my own business, everything else does not interest me.

Now let's talk with you about Einstein.
Let's talk with you about the fact that in his early works, Einstein, first of all, contradicts himself with his thought experiment, where he flies on a frozen ray (wave) of light. First of all, the contradiction itself arises for the reason that the presence of a ray of light in space is initially considered in this image based on Maxwell's ideas about Ether, in which there is a medium in a frozen state. That is, a thought experiment is based on an environment with some properties.

We deliberately restrain ourselves from touching upon the point of logical internal consistency in this passage (Grunbaum) [6]; we rather call attention to the “intuitive” conclusion it leads to: as a spatially oscillatory field at rest “does not make sense,” no observer, ie no material body, can reach the velocity c… Other authors are less ready to admit the problem as they struggle to clarify Einstein's remarks. Holton (1988, p. 311) finds Einstein's narrative to have… its exact parallel in the 1905 paper, in the conceptual leap from a simple experiment (indeed, also a kind of Gedanken experiment — the relative motion of conductor and magnet) to the general principle from which the content of relativity theory will derive. Here Holton refers to the magnet and conductor thought experiment that initiates Einstein's famous 1905 “On the electrodynamics of moving bodies,” (Einstein, 1905) in which he first presents special relativity. That thought experiment derives from a fact in ether-based electrodynamics. A magnet at rest in the ether is surrounded by a magnet field. A magnet moving in the ether is surrounded by a magnetic field and an induced electric field, arising through the magnet's motion. One might expect this electric field to be an experimentally detectible sign of the magnet's motion in the ether, for one can detect the electric field from its ability to create a measurable electric current in a conductor in the vicinity of the magnet. Yet, Einstein reported, a curious combination

What's the problem here lies in the fact that just does not understand Einstein in power electronics and is poor at that. what Umv, Poynting and Heaviside deduced.

But let's touch on the “frozen wave”.
first of all, Einstein's mind, like the world of Western man, is highly disposed to confuse that which does not relate to things. which relate to the environment or their derived fields as to fields, and to consider the physical body as physical.
This is due to the fact that Einstein most likely viewed the world as a seller. the western world is built on trade, and it requires a clear form in the mind of the buyer this or that value through a physical object. Therefore, the penchant for mathematics of Lorentz and Einstein is quite obvious. After all, trading cannot be built without mathematics. and in the era of that time, value is determined by the tangible, what can be seen. touch, eat, smell.

But the question in Einstein's head was based on the fact that the light that he sees is what belongs to Ether. But in fact, the whole situation is completely different, and since Einstein is not an experimental practitioner, he could afford such frivolity. Namely: Electromagnetic waves. that the cell phone emits is impossible to smell or see, touch. You don't see them.
Take a laser pointer, turn on the LED in it, if the room is ideal in terms of air purity and infinitely large, we will not see this beam. But as soon as fog appears in the room, you will immediately see it. what do you see at laser shows.
Same. what Thomson saw in his Thomson pipe.

Of course, that Ether. which Einstein imagined was the generation of a stream of thought, which was based on the fact that the “frozen light” represented in the head is light. If a monkey is given a banana, then most likely the light will be associated with just this banana, although the banana is a reaction of Electromagnetic Waves with nerve endings in the eye, that is, the reaction of Ether with the Physical body.

But what's the problem with the banana monkey? the problem of inability to separate the information received from the truth in your head. And hence the imposition in mathematics of the world's notions that the world is a banana. therefore, light or electromagnetic waves that are associated with something frozen have nothing to do with each other.
And hence the formulation of the question is posed incorrectly in general and suggests that. that Einstein clearly did not set the task of getting to the bottom of the truth.

Now about the flying magnet and the conductor. If we are talking about the fact that there is a certain environment in a certain state. which we perceive as emptiness. does not mean that it is. the Heaviside thought experiment, the Casimir effect and the Lamer experiment prove that. that Physical Vacuum or Ether is precisely the environment in an active state. But not empty. but what's the problem. in which Ether is the problem?

The problem is, strange questions arise in the brain of a primate with a banana flying through space. If we are flying relative to something, then this something should affect me and the banana itself. but the question is - if they are already flying in open space. who makes them fly? At one time, no one doubted that this was the prerogative of Ether. But if the primate is holding a banana and a rotating conductor relative to the magnet, then the question does not arise: what happens to what we are flying with respect to why this does not affect the electromagnetic processes between the magnet and the coil.

The thing is that the primate is a very stupid creature and, sitting on a tree, did not think about that. that it does not understand at all in electromagnetic processes.
Namely: namely, in what they actually tried to convey the idea of ​​Minds, Poynting, Heaviside.
The bottom line is that they were just trying to convey the idea that energy does not spread from the rotation of the winding. which the monkey turns relative to the magnet, that is, from the fact that the monkey needs to exert efforts to rotate this magnet as a physical body.

The thing is that just the energy in the conductor itself comes from the Physical Vacuum or Ether, which is influenced by the rotating magnetic field together with the magnet. But we know for sure. that the energy spent on magnetizing the magnet and the energy that enter the conductor are completely different types of energy. So is the magnetic field of a magnet. and the magnetic field of the winding is two magnetic fields. In order to create a counter flow, as pointed out by Lenz. you need a second thread. This main stream creates the opposite one, because you have two streams.

But Einstein was not an engineer. therefore he could not assume that an electromagnetic wave. which arises in the antenna of the receiver due to the electromagnetic wave of the transmitter forms its own magnetic field.

Therefore, if an electromagnetic wave flies in space at the speed of light, this means that this flow of energy will not be able to create a flow of energy relative to a physical body in the form of a surfer. Therefore, if this flow of energy cannot enter the conductor, then from the conditions it does not enter there and does not affect this physical body, with the help of which this flow can manifest itself. And for this I do not need to come up with another frame of reference with my time.

Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: Ilya Tsimbaluk on May 07, 2021, 11:50:57 PM
This is the installation. in which we have proved that mechanical energy and electric energy are different types of energy and that mechanical energy does not have an element. which is capable of directly converting into electrical. as it is commonly believed. Surprisingly. but came to face a misunderstanding of the processes. which originate around the guide described by Poynting-Heavside.

It's very strange to watch. as some people try to explain some points to me. in which, for some strange reason, the conversation about that is forgotten. that the flow of energy is carried out precisely due to the environment in which there is that amount. which is just that in the form of a closed system and is used by modern electric motors.

If we were talking about Einstein, then why not remember the antipode - Heaviside. who worked with telegraph lines and was the first to guess. that just energy is carried by Electromagnetic fields in this very environment. surrounding the conductor and is carried over.

Electromagnetic waves do not propagate monolithically, they propagate in waves. even hitting a bar carries energy in waves. because in addition to the physical body itself, it is the environment that takes part.

For some reason, it is still considered. that superconductivity is carried out due to the pairwise movement of electrons in the conductor itself, and often electrical engineers are complete nonsense about where the charge is and what the current is. If electrical engineers understood. that energy and that. what we want to perceive as electrons just in a superconductor does not move, it just happens. what a mass. that comes from outside the superconductor does not fall into the crystal lattice zone.

All attempts. which Einstein tried to do - to use the Lorentz transformations. who, in turn, tried to explain how the movement of the light source is connected, the movement of the light wave in space relative to certain inertial systems.

But here's the question in the World Cup - what is a charge? I told you about that. that this is just a forceful interaction of an electric field and a physical body. electron. How an elementary charge does not have to be a physical body itself)

But is it logical to call an electric field a charge? No, these are photons. But where do they come from? They are taken from the environment. Let's call it the Dirac Sea. in which, when positive energy or a positive charge is removed from the volume of space, negative energy will be formed.
so you have excellent video equipment Mr. Wesley. I would love to work on it. as I did video editing)
But there are many but ...

Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: stivep on May 08, 2021, 01:40:28 AM
 I'm out of town  but I will provide answer to your  comment
Wesley
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: onepower on May 08, 2021, 02:23:04 AM
Ilya Tsimbaluk

I think your misrepresenting the intent of Einstein and most credible people in science and engineering.

First, we do it not because we want to be wealthy or famous which is misguided and fleeting at best but to acquire knowledge and understanding. So these scientists shared what they learned as there best guess at the time knowing full well it would be improved and refined in the future by others.

Did you know there is no such thing as a field or lines of force?. Faraday created the concept of the field to replace action at a distance which was ambiguous as well as lines of force so others could do math and equations and understand the concept better. Thus we can see a translation in time we call science whereby man has created an artificial reality to describe nature not as it exists but as they perceive it to exist. In the same way as Faraday, Einstein created space-time not because it described reality but because it was better conceptually than most other theories at the time. We could ask, Einstein's theories made you think didn't it?, thus he succeeded.

The most common problem relating to this misunderstanding relates to psychology. The majority of people tend to see a condition of something as being something in itself. For example many believe heat is a substance which miraculously flows through materials and space. However it is not something but a condition of something, a "measure" of the motion of the atoms in molecules or EM waves ergo oscillations. So how is it a "measure" of something came to be perceived as something tangible?. The same confusion seems to appear with respect to Faraday's "field" which is also not something in itself but a condition of something already present.

However the truth tends to come to light when we ask someone... "what is a field" and most have no idea. What is this something or term everyone uses so liberally yet have no idea what in fact it is?...

So how is it that so many could use a term so often and yet have literally no idea what in fact it is?. All this terminology, wave after wave of new terms, words, and yet at the end of the day most are no closer to the understanding they seek. It reminds me of a saying... we can talk the talk but it means nothing unless we can walk the walk.

In this respect the facts we know are much stranger than any fiction most can imagine. Every material thing is like a fog of charged particles in oscillation in a sea of waves, energy as motion, energy is motion. Nothing is or ever was tangible, it is an illusion, and if we could change or manipulate the kind of motion taking place on the atomic/particle level then literally anything is possible. What is free energy when literally everything everywhere is energy?.

As Einstein put it... If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough.

That my friends is pure genius and it was Einstein's observation that the people who use the most complicated terminology and explanations seldom understand what there talking about. If they did they could explain everything in simply in terms even a child could understand and there lies the problem.

Regards
AC
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: stivep on May 08, 2021, 04:43:00 AM
I don't quite understand what you are writing to be honest.
I personally am not attached to anything or anyone.
I’m here only because there’s a forum to discuss alternative physics issues. energy and so on.
Are you sure that this is a historical forum dedicated to Russia?

one of rules in physics is :
 single observable point of fact, whereas a theory explains an entire group of related phenomena.
- that in philosophy the mother of all sciences includes also  phenomena seen from  perspective of Russia and Western world.
  and phenomena we  are talking about  is history of science and  factors related, just because we have disagreement   about eter/eather
  rejected model after 1905
https://www.thoughtco.com/idealized-models-an-introduction-2699439#:~:text=In%20physics%2C%20a%20model%20%28or%20idealized%20model%29%20is,a%20simple%20point%20object%20and%20ignore%20the%20fuzziness (https://www.thoughtco.com/idealized-models-an-introduction-2699439#:~:text=In%20physics%2C%20a%20model%20%28or%20idealized%20model%29%20is,a%20simple%20point%20object%20and%20ignore%20the%20fuzziness).

Your last name  suggests its Ukrainian origin, but I didn't yet have interaction with any Ukrainian scientist  who would  in year 2021 vote for  widely in Russia  manifested  Eater/Ether .
 I as an American happened to  know about  that region of  Eastern  Europe and  I even speak Russian better than  average Russian from regions.
However  I got  this skills here in New York employing Russian scientists  lazy to learn English.
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I do thank you for participating in this forum and you are welcome  here.
I do appreciate your position in given subject, and I respect your position as this is not Russia here and no banditism of any Eastern origin is affecting you  dear  Ilya
I'm able to understand your English too , and that skill is uncommon to most of Eastern Europe (of direct/indirect Russian influence.)



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Einstein, first of all, contradicts himself with his thought experiment, where he flies on a frozen ray (wave) of light.
First of all, the contradiction itself arises for the reason that the presence of a ray of light in space is initially considered
in this image based on Maxwell's ideas about Ether, in which there is a medium in a frozen state.
That is, a thought experiment is based on an environment with some properties.


1. you not reading what I wrote.
2. you not answering  questions
3. you adding test without links
4. I'm confused as to  how to respond to your questions : :
    a. if intuitively - than we will have  Russian borscht .https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borscht (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borscht)
        that is for me no way to be as tasty as Ukrainian.
    b. if based on facts , than please give me facts !!!!!!
        ,( links, quotes,  statements  and particular lines in question .)
    c. if my answer is to be kept  in relation to 19 century science format  I need quoted  and numbered  text.
    d.
if my answer is to be kept  in brackets of modern physic  of current time than  I will just present current position to  questioned phenomena.
I understand  that  you don't  want associate yourself with Russia  or its history  but:
ИЗ РОССИИ УЕХАЛ А РОССИЯ ИЗ ТЕБЯ НЕТ.-  набор
 СЛОВ КОТОРЫЕ ВЫДАЮТ РУССКИХ ВЕЗДЕ!!!!
I hope you understand me now.
In this part of the world we not only respect you but we also expect you to respect our , rules, and common format of communication:

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I'm formulating my  answer according to point 4d.

Einstein was born in  March 14  of 1879 and at this time  Umv, Poynting and Heaviside were in the middle of  Ether/Eather controversy.
in 1895 Einstein was only 16 when he started to think about that what we now call
Quote
"...a paradox upon which I had already hit at the age of sixteen:
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Einstein's thought experiments took diverse forms.
In his youth, he mentally chased beams of light.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einstein%27s_thought_experiments (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einstein%27s_thought_experiments)
I propose a new way to read it that fits it nicely into the stages of Einstein's discovery of special relativity.
It shows the untenability of an "emission" theory of light, an approach to electrodynamic
theory that Einstein considered seriously and rejected prior to his breakthrough of 1905.

Quote
If I pursue a beam of light with the velocity c (velocity of light in a vacuum),
I should observe such a beam of light as an electromagnetic field at rest though spatially oscillating.
There seems to be no such thing, however, neither on the basis of experience nor according to Maxwell's equations.
From the very beginning it appeared to me intuitively clear that, judged from the standpoint of such an observer, everything
would have to happen according to the same laws as for an observer who, relative to the earth, was at rest.
For how should the first observer know or be able to determine, that he is in a state of fast uniform motion?
One sees in this paradox the germ of the special relativity theory is already contained."
(http://www.pitt.edu/~jdnorton/Goodies/Chasing_the_light/Light_animation_2.gif (http://www.pitt.edu/~jdnorton/Goodies/Chasing_the_light/Light_animation_2.gif))




If the young Einstein were to chase after it at c, he would catch up with the wave and be moving with it, like a surfer riding the wave.
He would see a frozen lightwave.

The untenability of that thought led to the downfall of the great achievement of nineteenth century physics,
the ether, which then provided the basis for all electromagnetic theory.

The trouble is that it is quite unclear just how this thought creates difficulties for the ether.
Einstein gave three reasons and each of them could be answered readily by an able ether theorist.
look at picture below:
All you need  to do now  is to go to the link   here:
http://www.pitt.edu/~jdnorton/Goodies/Chasing_the_light/index.html (http://www.pitt.edu/~jdnorton/Goodies/Chasing_the_light/index.html)

Conclusions:
We are  all human animals including you Ilya.
We imagine  things  and not always right ,till we  think about it  again
and perfect that   thought experiment  to the point that is now ready to be presented to the world.
But at the end Einstein won big time.
All other thoughts of other  big names scientist are not important now as 19 century was  the  period of confusion and now is not.
 
Today's science  doesn't talk about two magnetic fields where one is rotated and we know that   EM wave  has electric field component and magnetic field component  at 90 degrees.
Source of EM wave  is not seen  from perspective of philosophical monkey but based on solid  and checked  science.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_radiation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_radiation)

Because  you didn't provide necessary links , I did cut part of your text as my answer was  in format 4d
Wesley
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: Ilya Tsimbaluk on May 08, 2021, 09:12:10 AM
Greetings, as regards the force interaction of the Electric Field on the Coulomb torsion balance, it corresponds to the fact that the electric fields in the current day with the physical body are strong. which can be measured, which is what Pendant did.
This is what Milliken did with the Pendant.
The forceful interaction of the forces of gravity and the force of the electric field on a droplet of oil, which was carried out by Milliken and Ioffe, are regarded as forceful.

About the fact that Faraday and Einstein created space and time.
In fact, the idea was eventually expressed by Poincaré, and Lorentz's transformations by Lorentz.
Faraday had nothing to do with relativism. He only documented the experiments carried out. Maxwell made an attempt to write down his vision in mathematical form. Let me remind you that Maxwell was under the yoke of harsh criticism for 25 years, until Heaviside wrote down Maxwell's equations in vector form and understandable for the average person.

All attempts by Lorentz and Einstein consisted in a mathematical approach to define physical phenomena. And the difficulty was. that they had the complexity of the idea that two physical bodies in the same torsional balance of the pendant can have an intermediate medium, which is what the Force is.
But then Lorentz and Einstein were not focused on attention. Einstein caught on to the ideas of Poincaré and Lorentz, and the efforts of scientists of the late 19th and 20th centuries to determine the behavior of light in space relative to the emitter and receiver. which is on Earth. Then various hypotheses were put forward - Ether is completely motionless, carried away partially or completely carried away.

Lorenz and Morley considered their theory. in which the Earth moved relative to the motionless Ether. But here's the problem - if Ether or an intermediate medium is responsible for the force interaction of physical bodies and this force is connected. Like any with the field, then it would be necessary to talk about that. that there is a kind of moving field in space. which interacts with the Earth. But materialists or primates are always thinking. that it is the Earth that is the field. The earth in this case is a consequence. and not the reason for its movement.
It follows its field like a magnet. so the field follows the magnet. but if we have magnetic interactions of magnets. in which there are two physical bodies with mass, and an intermediate medium. which has an equivalent to this mass, but in an intermediate environment. That he began to describe Umov for the first time, putting forward views about the flow of energy and not only.

During the nineteenth century there were several speculative attempts to show that mass and energy were proportional in various ether theories.[45] In 1873 the Russian physicist and mathematician Nikolay Umov pointed out a relation between mass and energy for ether in the form of Е = kmc2, where 0.5 ≤ k ≤ 1.

And yes, the famous formula E = mc ^ 2 does not essentially belong to Einstein, it was also derived by Thomson and Heaviside. K = 1 was determined by Heaviside. that it was pointless to use k. Heaviside corresponded with Lorenz, the latter with Einstein. so that Einstein could not be unaware of these formulas. Everything. what Einstein did was use Poincaré's idea and Lorentz's ideas. But Lorenz, with all due respect at that time, acted mathematical juggling around strange ideas about Ether, which in his hypothesis were not confirmed.

However, here's the question, Umov did not expect to receive finances and grants, which the Western world is so abundant in, Heaviside also did not seek to do this. What's the first. that the second lived a modest life and the requirements of capital, which pays for science, did not interest them. They did that. what they were doing. Einstein clearly understood what he could play on and make money.

But what followed from Umov's logic? It followed from logic that in mechanics mechanical waves propagate at the speed of sound, and between magnets they interact with the speed of light. But it is known for sure that force interaction in statics or magnetism cannot do without matter, which maintains force in the physical world. hence it is necessary to introduce an intermediate environment. which is the movement of matter equivalent to the mass of the physical body with which this environment interacts. When asked how energy flows can be realized in thermodynamics or Electromagnetism, Umov came to the conclusion that this should be an intermediate medium. This idea was picked up by Pointing and independently of Poynting Heaviside.
precisely because of that. then Heaviside worked in telegraphy and considered the conductor as a waveguide, this is what allowed him to just consider the idea of ​​that. that Energy does not move along wires. and in the space around the waveguide.
But if Heaviside lived in times. when superconductors were discovered, he would immediately express his dissatisfaction with Thomson for what he called the luminescence in the tube moving particles of gases and cathodes ... that is. movement of charges in the conductor itself. After all, the Skin effect was first discovered by Heaviside. And from here it would follow that the current moves in space as a flow of energy having a mass. Thu is obvious, and Then many Nobel laureates would have to return the money back from the owner for the mediocre work done. But the question is - the owner himself. who paid for the work paid for what?

But let's get away from politics.
According to information reported at one time by V.N. Chikolev, the experiments on their use, demonstrated by Yablochkov at the Paris Exhibition of 1878, even aroused applause from visitors. The Paris Academy of Sciences was especially interested in Yablochkov's work, which formed a special commission to familiarize with it, which included such celebrities as Saint-Clair-Deville, Edmond Becquerel, Berthelot and others. At the meeting of the Academy, Ing. Deneyruz, speaking of the kaolin lamp, characterized Yablochkov's inventions in this way:

In explanations of the privilege, Yablochkov writes: “In order to obtain useful effects from the current delivered by the source of dynamic electricity, instead of connecting the terminals of the current source together with a continuous circuit, as This is done up to now, causing the dynamic electricity delivered by the electricity source to undergo a double transformation - first into static electricity and then back into dynamic electricity. This is the principle of my system. I carry it out as follows: instead of connecting the terminals of the current source with a continuous circuit, as has been done so far, I connect the conductor coming from one terminal of the electricity source to one of the plates of the capacitor, consisting of one or more Leiden jars of a larger surface or arranged according to the directions below.

The impulse technique immediately assumed that the current does not move in a continuous and integral flow, this energy moves in waves and the higher the frequency, the shallower this flow enters. The nodes and antinodes of the current were already known, which makes the idea of ​​a chain moving in the form of a continuous movement of electrons meaningless. in the War of currents, Tesla just wanted to show something. what is called the current at high frequencies moves across the surface and voltage. which we simply use as a term has a direct relation to the theories of Umov, Poynting Heaviside as to processes remote from the conductor, in which, according to Druda, less and less this energy flow interacts with the crystal lattice of the conductor itself, leading to Joule-Lenz heat losses.


Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: Ilya Tsimbaluk on May 08, 2021, 10:06:56 AM
For Wisley

Greetings. You have a lot of equipment, I would love to work in the laboratory, with such a variegated set of measuring equipment. Considering that you have a professional video camera and video editing equipment. but as I understand it, you are not involved in professional filming and editing. And many interesting things could be done.

The only thing for which you received criticism, which you considered aggressive, is your politicized videos in which some inventor was killed. In the video itself, this inventor is 20 years old at most, does not live in Russia, he showed a fake and a show, but you dramatized. that he was killed by Putin's henchmen, the FSB-schnicks. But there were no men in black, no KGB or FBI. Why in your country they kill thousands of UFO witnesses and dispensers of free energy, and you are not talking about that? Are you dancing to the tune of the World Government in the person of the Illuminati, or are you in cahoots with the Freemasons who force babies to drink blood, engage in homosexuality and be involved in the orgies of Satan himself?

You have the opportunity to make cool vlogs, and experiment with that set - I suggest you do an interesting job. And if you want to make an art series with cannibals in black suits. then do it creatively.

So write, we will communicate. But not politics with a depressing connotation of mass shootings of seekers of free energy with reference to the locality with the word Russia. I don't like depression. why I'm watching a video with Searl, because this guy talks about positive and inspiring things, and a dying old woman on a modest retirement in the Russian wilderness is a very sad topic for discussion. I'm sure. what if you collect all the dying old women including Africa. it will be possible to make a film for those who want to commit suicide from the injustice of the world. Life goes on and I don't want to think about it. because all I can do is show the world that. what I can.

So write if you want to talk about science and technology in a personal message.

About Lorentz and Einstein. who took the Lorentz transformations.
The question is that the idea of ​​the inconsistency of Morley's thought was, like Lorentz and Einstein, that it was the signal source and the receiver that moved at the same time.
However, Lorentz and not only he grasped the idea that if the ray moves relative to the stationary ether. in which it has not yet been determined - and why it should be motionless, moreover. that Heaviside identified some points associated with the Casimir effect, what is it like space or environment.

The absurdity of posing the question lies in the fact that the beam emitted by the emitter moves with a speed relative to some absolute space. We mentally define this absolute either by the solar coordinate system or other other usual Euclidean geometry. But if we are considering exactly the Euclidean geometry, then mentally determining the absolute point from which we build our representations of the motion of the Earth, then we know exactly what speed the Earth has relative to the Sun. So, according to Ritz's ballistic theory, we should have the formula v + c. The receiver moves with the transmitter. therefore, we must describe the receiver as -v.
The only question is that Dirac did not yet exist, who began to ask questions of signs, but we can just describe -v, because wherever energy with a positive sign is outraged, there is also its negative or opposing Energy, which develops with dualistic Newton's representations of F = -F and not only.
And hence v-v + c = c.

But more on that later.


Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: lancaIV on May 08, 2021, 03:12:47 PM
I do not understand the contradiction !


Beside e=hv=hc/λ


 we have E = mc2  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass%E2%80%93energy_equivalence (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass%E2%80%93energy_equivalence)         


( not E=Mc2 ) because            m result from = M1 ( mass M before acceleration) -M2 ( mass "virtual" lost during acceleration)


                                           denomination :    Relativistic mass



Clearly we work with positive and negative force or energy arrows,ac-/de-celerating  !



"Gedankenexperiment"  : physics-experimental Ueberlichtgeschwindigkeit and Effekt
 https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/%25C3%259Cberlichtgeschwindigkeit (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/%25C3%259Cberlichtgeschwindigkeit)


At the University of Cologne (https://qm3jj6o4dtpgiexhayd7sq5vpq-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Universit%C3%A4t_zu_K%C3%B6ln) , which has meanwhile been checked several times by other institutions, it has been proven that the quantum mechanical  (https://qm3jj6o4dtpgiexhayd7sq5vpq-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Quantenmechanik)tunneling (https://qm3jj6o4dtpgiexhayd7sq5vpq-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Tunneleffekt) of photons (https://qm3jj6o4dtpgiexhayd7sq5vpq-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Photon) can lead to effects that some researchers interpret as superluminal velocities. However, the interpretations of these observations are currently still controversial.


When measuring quantum mechanically entangled particles, information seems to be transmitted instantaneously between the particles (i.e. without a time difference) (Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen effect, or EPR (https://qm3jj6o4dtpgiexhayd7sq5vpq-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen-Paradoxon) effect for short ). However, it is not possible to use this effect for communication at faster than light speeds.


In September 2011, the OPERA collaboration (https://qm3jj6o4dtpgiexhayd7sq5vpq-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/OPERA_(Experiment)) on Gran Sasso (https://qm3jj6o4dtpgiexhayd7sq5vpq-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Laboratori_Nazionali_del_Gran_Sasso) reported that they had found indications that neutrinos (https://qm3jj6o4dtpgiexhayd7sq5vpq-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Neutrino) had moved faster than light. However, a new measurement by ICARUS (https://qm3jj6o4dtpgiexhayd7sq5vpq-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/ICARUS) has shown agreement with the speed of light, whereby the OPERA result is very likely to be refuted. See Neutrino Velocity Measurements (https://qm3jj6o4dtpgiexhayd7sq5vpq-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Messungen_der_Neutrinogeschwindigkeit) for more details .
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: Ilya Tsimbaluk on May 08, 2021, 04:54:28 PM
In fact, Umov wrote this formula, then this coefficient changed and Hevside ude set 1 as the coefficient, which ultimately made it possible to remove this coefficient altogether.
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: superhero on May 08, 2021, 07:04:39 PM
To construct something like this you need lots of cash.
 Our economic system prints $ out of thin air then  Given to the banks on  top of the Pyramid

 we have to beg for some to create and invent anything
No money no cry
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: lancaIV on May 08, 2021, 07:25:20 PM
Bow ey,an overunity "money generation" system : perpetuum ?  8) ;)


Original theme related : https://www.discovermagazine.com/the-sciences/how-to-build-a-usd1000-fusion-reactor-in-your-basement


                                                                   compared


                                    https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2018/10/nextbigfuture-said-iter-would-cost-45-billion-more-and-doe-agrees.html




                                    partial the investment high difference : energetic output related !






Nice lecture related "fusion"-technology :


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=&IN=winfield+salisbury&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search
             


Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: Ilya Tsimbaluk on May 09, 2021, 12:06:57 AM
It's hard for me to say what you are talking about now. I work in my laboratory for my own money. Everyone is on enthusiasm
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: Ilya Tsimbaluk on May 09, 2021, 12:12:59 AM
The GPS sync problem

Ronald Hutch is a renowned specialist in the field of GPS (Global Navigation Systems) and satellite communication systems, the inventor of the "Hutch filter" widely known in electronics and information processing systems, President of ION (Institute of Space Navigation Systems), the organization that hosted the first GPS conference. with about 2,000 members.

GPS presents us with a different problem. It is well known that the GPS satellite system was developed in the USA. The Ministry of Defense ensures the highest accuracy of means of determining both position and time everywhere on the surface of the Earth and its surroundings. But GPS clocks (and even terrestrial clocks) present us with such a problem, which is not very well known, that the solutions to this problem admitted in it are undoubtedly wrong from the point of view of SRT.
The GPS clock shows, as expected, that the moving clock is running slower and that the clock is running slower at a lower gravitational potential.
The GPS clock is adjusted for the expected deceleration before launch into orbit, taking into account that the Earth's gravitational potential at nominal orbit altitude makes it run faster. This faster clock rate is a partial compensation for the effect of the nominal cyclic orbital speed of the satellites.
There are two interesting interactions between the effects of gravitational potential and the effects of speed in clock readings. First, at sea level, all clocks on Earth run at the same speed. This is due to the fact that the rotation of the Earth causes it to swell at the equator, since the gravitational potential is higher there. (A clock at the equator is farther from the center of the Earth.) The effect in clock readings from this large potential at the equator and the effect in clock readings from rotational speed exactly cancel each other out. So the clock at the equator is equal to the clock at the poles.
The second interaction of gravitational potential and speed in clock readings is due to the eccentricity of the GPS orbit. At perigee, the lower gravitational potential causes the GPS clock to run slower than nominal. Also at perigee, the satellites move faster than average and this also makes the GPS clock run slower - with exactly the same amount. So it seems that energy is what makes the clock go at a different pace. The increasing gravitational potential energy makes the clock run faster. The increasing kinetic energy (speed) causes the watch to run slower.
So what's the problem with the watch? The problem manifests itself, contrary to expectations, with clocks on Earth that do not seem to be affected by the sun's gravitational potential. Why is that? For clocks tied to Earth, the problem has been described as a noon-midnight problem. At noon, the clock is closer to the Sun by the diameter of the Earth than the clock at midnight. Thus, the clock is expected to run slower at noon than at midnight due to the solar gravitational potential, but this is not observed.
The first proposed solution to the noon-midnight problem was put forward by Banesh Hoffmann [2] in an article entitled "Midday-midnight redshift." The article states that the potential gravitational effect does not take place, since it is compensated by the relativistic Doppler effect. Thus, the author says that, like a clock at sea level, there is a mutual destruction of velocity and potential effects. In a nutshell, Hoffman states that since the point on Earth closest to the Sun and the point on Earth farthest from the movement around the Sun have different speeds, they will have clock-moving effects that are different from those seen in orbital movement around the Earth.
It is true that the clock that orbits the Sun in a year along the radius of the Earth's midnight must have the same course as the clock that orbits the Sun in a year along the radius of the Earth's midnight, that is, the potential gravitational difference must be compensated for by the speed difference. But Hoffmann's explanation cannot be accepted. This is contrary to the behavior of the GPS watch. The difference in solar gravitational potential for GPS synchronized at a point closest to the Sun and farthest from the Sun (the difference in distance is approximately four times the Earth's diameter) does not seem to have any effect on the GPS clock. Undoubtedly, these points in orbit fly around the Sun at different speeds. The planes of GPS satellite orbits do not rotate in the same way as the earth's orbit around the sun. However, they move around the Sun at the same speed. That the earth's axis of rotation does not change as the earth's orbit around the sun should be sufficient to deny Hoffmann's explanation. Rotation of the noon-midnight point of the Earth does not imply that the Earth's IRS undergoes annual rotation. A different explanation is needed for the missing effect.
An alternative attempt at explanation can be found in the literature. The article by Ashby and Bertotti [3], entitled "Relativistic Effects in Local IRF", requires that the acceleration of gravity produces a fictitious gravitational field that neutralizes the real field. The easiest way to read a version of the same argument is in a comprehensive book on GPS [4].
The problem of Ashby et al. Argumentation in the use of the equivalence principle. Here is a quote from page 686 of the source [4].
The equivalence principle implies that an observer in free fall in the gravitational field of the solar system cannot sense the presence of external gravitational fields. Although there is a gravitational force fieldobserver's instant free-fall position (force per unit mass) in the, this field produces an acceleration  fall of the observer. Due to this acceleration, an additional dummy the gravitational field is generated in the observer's CO. Two fields - one real and one induced compensate each other; the total field strength at the observer's position is zero. This implies that the gravitational potential in the area of ​​free fall of the observer cannot have any linear conditions in spatial coordinates. Only quadratic conditions can be maintained - these are tidal conditions. Tidal conditionsassociated with these residual effects - minor-in GPS.
It is the last two sentences of this quote that are the subject of discussion. As Michael Friedman [5] in The Foundations of Space-Time Theory, so Ciufolini and Wheeler [6] in Gravity and Inertia tell us that the principle of equivalence is not strictly observed in the local area, but in an infinitely small area. Let me refer to Friedman, p. 202, in some detail.
The standard formulation of the equivalence principle obscures the critical distinction between first-order and second-order laws, blurring the distinction between "infinitesimal" laws, valid at a single point, and local laws, obeying a neighborhood of a point. They lose the distinction between the structure of the space tangent to Tp and the configuration of the spaces tangent to Tq for q in a neighborhood of p. (This is one placewhere the casual attitude physics in relation to the "infinitely small" leads him to the realproblem!) What is undoubtedly the principle of equivalence says, then what special relativity and general relativity say, meaning the same "infinitesimal" structure, but not the one that is the local structure.
It is clear that in the extended domain (neighborhood), the potential gradient cannot be accurately eliminated by simply using the equivalence principle. On page 14, Suefolini and Wheeler talk about the weak principle of equivalence, "the principle can be reformulated by saying that in every local, non-rotating, freely falling frame of reference, the line accompanying the free fall of the test particle is a straight line." To straighten the lines in the region of this free fall of the test particle, it is required that the frame of reference rotates once in one orbit so that the neighboring point remains adjacent to the test particle and follows it in an equivalent straight path. This rotation is exactly what Hoffman suggests to explain the loss of the clock effect in the first article we referred to above. Thus, Ashby et al. Explain the absence of differential clock effects in GPS satellites from solar gravitational potential as a consequence of the equivalence principle. But they are wrong when they apply a result that is valid only over an infinitesimal area in a large area. So Ashby et al. Failed, like Hoffmann, in providing an explanation for the missing differential effect of solar gravitational potential in clocks near Earth. However, some other explanations are still needed for the missing effect. (See the mathematical appendix associated with the above statements.)
So what is the explanation for the absence of any effects of solar gravitational potential on clocks near Earth? Why don't we find the correct explanation in the literature? The answer to the first of these two questions was not difficult. Similar to the VLBI analysis, the answer can be found by using the solar inertial reference frame to analyze the data. When we do this using the speeds and positions in the solar IFR and the gravitational potentials of both the Earth and the Sun, the solution to the first question will become obvious. In the solar IFR, the solar gravitational potential causes "along the speed" of the clock displacement (relative to the clocks synchronized in the Earth IFR) rotate so that they remain "along the speed", since the velocity vector changes direction due to the solar gravitational force. In other words, the gradient of the gravitational potential (gravitational force) causes the Earth's velocity vector to change direction. The same gradient of the gravitational potential forces the clock near the Earth to work in such a rhythm that the clock changes its course so as to maintain it in the direction "along the speed". This way, a clear absence of the effect in the terrestrial IFR is ensured simply, since they are absorbed as part of the Lorentz transformation from solar IFR to terrestrial IFR. In other words, it is the action of the solar potential that keeps the clock synchronized in the direction-of-speed, so that the speed of light is measured the same as in the Earth's IFR.
The answer to the second question is a little more speculative. If the solar gravitational potential is part of the mechanism that leaves the speed of light apparently isotropic in the terrestrial IFR, the Lorentz transformation can decompose into two components. One part should reflect the position and speed of one inertial reference frame relative to the other, that is, the Selleri transformation [7], and the second part should be the clock rate distribution, which makes the speed of light isotropic in the new inertial reference frame. And this is a mechanism for replacing magic with Lorentz transformations. He implies that Special Theory of Relativity (SRT) should be replaced by the Etheric Theory of Lorentz (ETL). But such a replacement would be a scandal.




Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: superhero on May 09, 2021, 01:27:17 AM
It's hard for me to say what you are talking about now. I work in my laboratory for my own money. Everyone is on enthusiasm
Good luck Ilya.  Check my seg generator. Last section in 9.pdf file
https://overunity.com/18859/how-ufos-fly-free-energy/msg557437/#msg557437
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: stivep on May 09, 2021, 02:48:18 AM
answer to Ilya
PART#1

The GPS sync problem
 One part should reflect the position and speed of one inertial reference frame relative to the other,
that is, the Selleri transformation [7], and the second part should be the clock rate distribution,
which makes the speed of light isotropic in the new inertial reference frame. And this is a mechanism
for replacing magic with Lorentz transformations.
He implies that Special Theory of Relativity (SRT) should be replaced by the Etheric Theory of Lorentz (ETL).
But such a replacement would be a scandal.

Dear Ilya please provide:
1. link to the article.
2. source of the article
3. time of publication
4. author  of publication
_________________________________
I will be glad if the article  is not of Russian origin but that is not mandatory requirement.

Short comment :
The GPS Clock is a satellite system that provides a very precise timing service.
The system uses atomic clocks to provide everyone on Earth with low-cost access to international atomic time standards.


The GPS system is based on atomic clock technology.

Each GPS satellite has multiple atomic clocks, synchronized to a ground-based master clock.

The GPS clock provides everyone on Earth with access to atomic time standards without needing a local atomic clock.
GPS time transfer accuracy is within 40 nanoseconds of UTC
https://timetoolsltd.com/gps/what-is-the-gps-clock/


 (https://timetoolsltd.com/gps/what-is-the-gps-clock/)___________________________________________________

Ronald Hutch , the inventor of the "Hutch filter"  President of ION
Such person doesn't exist and never existed:
_______________________________________
There was different person Ron Hatch
-private consultant , one of employees( officers) of Navigation Systems Engineering
 he  worked  for  John Deere, utility tractor,lawn and garden equipment
 one of these  who was send by  agriculture equipment company to create
 NavCom    for  plant farming .
At that time  there was Selective Availability (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_Availability)  accuracy on the order of 3 m. In practice, typical accuracy is about 15 m.
There was some controversy  about information licking to Russians building  Russian Glonass system,
He was never formally accused.
He wrote  article: Escape from Einstein
Hatch in 1995 presented data contradicting the special theory of relativity, and promoted a Lorentzian alternative described as an ether gauge theory
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorentz_transformation
 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorentz_transformation)however
Some Lorentz Transformations are formed by doing “many” infinitesimal ones.
These will have the property of being proper and orthochronous .

Quote
If QFT is to be consistent with relativity, it should be invariant under proper, orthochronous
Lorentz Transformations.
That means we should be able to replace x with Λx at any time without changing anything.
http://hep.ucsb.edu/people/cag/qft/QFT-2.pdf

 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorentz_transformation)
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SRT is completely erroneous since it is based on the wrong kind of transformations:
they have lost the scale factor characterizing the Doppler effect. First, Lorentz considered
a more general form of transformations (with a scale factor),
but then he, and also Poincare and Einstein equated it 1 without proper grounds.
Their form was artificially narrowed, the formulas became incorrect.
This led to a logical contradiction of the theory, to unsolvable paradoxes.
Accordingly, GRT is also incorrect.
 For more details, : brochure "Memoir on the Theory of Relativity and Unified Field Theory
but......( the please read summary below to understand that there is no way  to understand it as
support to  Ether.)


https://www.physicsoverflow.org/5121/infinitesimal-lorentz-transformation-is-antisymmetric (https://www.physicsoverflow.org/5121/infinitesimal-lorentz-transformation-is-antisymmetric)
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The "Hatch filter" is mentioned in publication but  patent was not found by me .
/article/abs/optimal-hatch-filter

 (https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-navigation/article/abs/optimal-hatch-filter-with-an-adaptive-smoothing-window-width/67A4FD971AE92A868C46394ED09EFA3F)Summary:
for  summary  please look  down below  at part#2

Wesley
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: stivep on May 09, 2021, 02:08:15 PM

answer to Ilya
PART#2

Summary:
Ilya was providing evidence and support to ether/eather   theory (dead now)
He was acting as comparator at some points too.
But  for comparing something measurable with a reference or standard you need to  have standard.
And even if Ilya doesn't like it  - that standard  is   SRT now.   

Comparison as a Tool  of science:
___________________
Because Eather /Ether was/is widely  manifested  in Russia
( also by some respected  there  scientists)-I gave you nonorthodox to  Russian  reality set of  different approaches  to SRT
But in my mind  banditism in Russia  - in any area including science is not kosher so you have no problem guys. :)

Banditism :  
-organized crime  typically involving the threat or use of violence. in some countries.
   Russian RF might be seen by some....  as  government structure  acting as
   the biggest organized mafia in the history  of modern  world.
   Science there is  often seen  as  "just a tool" used and abused, raped  and deformed  based  on  actual
   need of  individual rulers benefiting from  corrupted  reality.
   e.g Russian history as science of facts is  the best example of such deformation.
_______________________________________________________________
 comparison- is   the one of fundamental tools of science 
 
but   exactly today  the new law in Russia is being formulated
 stating that  some form of comparison are punished by law.
and today is a day when  starting from 1945  many countries  of Eastern Europe were enslaved  by Soviet terror  till  the collapse of soviet Union in 1990


PhD Stephen Hicks wrote book called :
‘Soviets were worse than Nazis’
https://www.stephenhicks.org/ (https://www.stephenhicks.org/)

- the response  by Russian government is not to explain and provide evidence but to 
ban, any examining of scientifically valid  historical truth.
   Russian propaganda  says: https://www.rt.com/russia/504768-putin-ban-compare-ussr-nazi/ (https://www.rt.com/russia/504768-putin-ban-compare-ussr-nazi/)
 
The same is  with Ether/eather..
I provided both
(the  for and the against  postulates ) for  Eather  that is dead now ,
That doesn't mean that I want to reincarnate Eather
Everything around you that is based on  SRT. is   
perfectly well working and is providing evidence
of its accuracy .

With due respect to Ilya  no longer willing to be  identified  as Russian.
when we talking about - comparison in science,  we also talk about similarity -as tool of science
For me Ilya  uses tools similar to  Russian propaganda.

example:
Ilya didn't provide identity  of
Ron Hatch but he used  his postulates.
Ilya didn't provide any links to any material quoted or posted by him.
Dear Ilya  almost everything I write to you is supported by links- this is  how science talks  in civilized western world
But  the most important in science is  its response to the postulates.
So  Ilya can't give us  not even  one  example of supporting evaluation of

Ron Hatch revelation  about eter/eather. - I assume :)


legal note: opinion expressed i entirely  my own according to constitution of USA


Wesley
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: stivep on May 09, 2021, 02:54:00 PM
By the way Ilya .
I'm impressed with the beauty of the house I assumed is yours and  excellent picture you posted.
Is it that cold there now in May?

Thank you Dear Ilya, and I would love to see more  of it.
Wesley
 
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: stivep on May 09, 2021, 03:04:12 PM
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Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: Ilya Tsimbaluk on May 09, 2021, 03:52:58 PM
Greetings Wesley.

You ask me to give a link.
Lots of stuff. which has to be translated from PDF format and manually, so I personally lose touch with the basic material that I have.
I try not to alter the material itself in any way. therefore errors. which may be here - the result of machine translation in Google.

Regarding the fact that we are arguing about the term Ether, I am only trying to make it clear that the term Ether impresses me more, because it is associated with something filled. A physical vacuum or emptiness is associated with something empty, although in fact, as shown by the worldview, this is not so. Which makes me personally consider these processes as processes in Ether.

You have a lot of equipment and an excellent system for video editing. now we have excellent sunny, albeit cool weather, which is good news.
Why am I trying to piece together evidence of the failure of relativism? There is only one reason - it is too primitive and consists in studying natural phenomena with mathematical abstraction.

The experiments that we conducted and in which, in my opinion. I can consider the experiments successful, just say that the environment itself. in which that is. what is the equivalent of power has to do with this fabric of the universe. it is difficult for me to find these epithets yet.
But the question is how it stands. that we have two kinds of interaction. namely:
Interaction of physical bodies
Interaction in the environment. in which this interaction is transferred from the potential form of energy. into kinetic form (magnetic field) and back to potential form.
From here we can say that the process itself was initiated by the physical body. as a result of which, for 1 Joule of this initiation, we could get 1 joule of work and 1 Joule in the form of a capacitor charge + Heat
For this, we use LTSpice as a process simulation.

For. to show that 2 J per 1 J was obtained, we would need to make a more accurate setting. in which we would need a high-temperature superconductor and a company in Moscow provided us with 9 meters. But there would be a lot of difficulty with the acquisition of Dewar vessels (storage of liquid nitrogen) would be difficult. Therefore, for the time being, we decided to leave these experiments.

In fact, since 2018, we have been working in order to work out the concept and physical foundations. on which our concept would have to be implemented in real devices. the main task is to create an electric motor with greater efficiency.

However, a strange question would arise - what is efficiency and what are we talking about.
we wanted to say that the experiment could be on a more perfect setup. which would allow Joel to observe the energy output more. than the standard installation. This did not quite lead him to the correct conclusion.

we did experiments. to understand the most correct conclusion to what is the impedance at the physical level and by what method the energy can be destroyed, as it happens in modern installations.

Since the search for funding involves the creation of a prototype, we decided to put superconductors aside for the time being. So now with an engineer. which appeared in my team, we plan to do an experiment in order to get closer to the electric motor itself and at the same time check the concept finally and start prototyping the device in the future. which could be demonstrated to a potential investor.

Probably move away from the superconductor and try with it. in order to show the excess of the outgoing energy in its pure form, it was necessary for that very reason. that the physics of processes is not of interest to a potential investor. He can only be interested in a working prototype. This is our focus now.

and how I speak. I have to deal with the physics itself. with which we are dealing. Because it is very difficult to explain to a representative of academic science about that. what is energy and why we have more of it in our installation.
The question with here is that initially, the usual idea of ​​charge, energy and other physical phenomena has not been rewritten for more than 200 years, although today we are debating about Ether or Physical Vacuum with its virtual particles and Dirac holes.

Work. which I am currently running is the team's enthusiasm and funds. Therefore, not everything I can do quickly and efficiently. But to put an end to the erroneousness of Einstein's ideas, I'm just trying to translate the scan from the 1991 article.

Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: kolbacict on May 09, 2021, 05:09:01 PM
Quote
ИЗ РОССИИ УЕХАЛ А РОССИЯ ИЗ ТЕБЯ НЕТ.
А может быть наоборот, из России пока не уехал,но России в тебе никогда и не было ?  :D

Hmm ... I just thought about it. Heaviside.  Heavy-Side. or Heaven-side.
Can this surname be translated as heavy or a man of heaven?

Quote
Greetings. You have a lot of equipment, I would love to work in the laboratory, with such a variegated set of measuring equipment.
So, well, of course ... And you have tried to make a perpetual motion machine with a bunch of old rubbish ? Like me. ;)  This will be aerobatics ... 8)

Quote
there would be a lot of difficulty with the acquisition of Dewar vessels (storage of liquid nitrogen) would be difficult.
I poured and stored liquid nitrogen in a regular food thermos.
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: stivep on May 09, 2021, 05:46:39 PM
А может быть наоборот, из России пока не уехал,но России в тебе никогда и не было ?  :D
Beautiful words.
Today for Russia  is the day of  celebration of victory  where millions of Russians  lost their  life in fight with  Germany.
Is is the day of victory but  also the day reflecting Russian dedication heroism and suffering during WW2.
Russian nation  should be not blamed  for all  of the crimes against  humanity committed by Soviet Government since 1917 till  1991 and  for RF Russia
since 1991 till today .

Ribentroph Molotov Pact started  that tragedy not only for  Rest of the World but  for all of the  Russians there.
They were the victims  too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact#:~:text=The%20Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop%20Pact%20was%20a%20non-aggression%20pact%20between,those%20two%20powers%20to%20partition%20Poland%20between%20them (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact#:~:text=The%20Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop%20Pact%20was%20a%20non-aggression%20pact%20between,those%20two%20powers%20to%20partition%20Poland%20between%20them).
Soviets  murdered  a lot of population  in Finland, Latvia, Lithuania Estonia, and from September 17 1939 in Poland
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Poland (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Poland)
______________________________
They than  made  joined parade in Brest  hugging, kissing and drinking with Hitler  soldiers and  celebrating victory.
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:German%E2%80%93Soviet_military_parade_in_Brest-Litovsk#:~:text=Did%20you%20know...%20that%20a%20joint%20Nazi-Soviet%20military,the%20entry%20may%20be%20seen%20at%20Wikipedia%3ARecent%20additions%2F2009%2FSeptember (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:German%E2%80%93Soviet_military_parade_in_Brest-Litovsk#:~:text=Did%20you%20know...%20that%20a%20joint%20Nazi-Soviet%20military,the%20entry%20may%20be%20seen%20at%20Wikipedia%3ARecent%20additions%2F2009%2FSeptember).
So soviets were the aggressors thanks to whom all of that started too.
Our American soldiers lost their life because  of them too.
!!!!!
!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IFmBQS8FDc
!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!
!!!!!
________________________________

I do express my great respect to these  millions of Russians
who lost their life not knowing that their fight will lead
to 45 years  of soviet terror and occupation of
-East Germany,
-Poland
-Czechia
-Slovakia,
-Hungary, 
-Romania, 
-Bulgaria,
-Ukraine,
-Lithuania,
-Latvia,
-Estonia,
and still ongoing Russian  occupation of:
-Osettia,
-Crimea,
- Donetsk Lugansk .
-Kuril Islands,
-
Pridniestrovie,
-
Generalna Gubernia - Prusy  Wshodnie,
 -I do support  Belarusian nation trying to break free from  Russian domination
  and their  fight to join free European Nations.

I wish  Russian nation  all the  best.

legal note: opinion expressed i entirely  my own according to constitution of USA

Wesley 
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: Ilya Tsimbaluk on May 09, 2021, 06:10:09 PM
А может быть наоборот, из России пока не уехал,но России в тебе никогда и не было ?  :D

Hmm ... I just thought about it. Heaviside.  Heavy-Side. or Heaven-side.
Can this surname be translated as heavy or a man of heaven?
So, well, of course ... And you have tried to make a perpetual motion machine with a bunch of old rubbish ? Like me. ;)  This will be aerobatics ... 8)
I poured and stored liquid nitrogen in a regular food thermos.

Hello, proof of concept is exactly at the level called kotch and threads. Now we are preparing an experiment on a classic copper conductor. The idea to use a thermos - yes, there was such an idea. But I think that if this experiment is carried out, it can be done using an ordinary thermos.
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: Ilya Tsimbaluk on May 09, 2021, 06:22:12 PM
England made an aggressive expansion around the world until the 20th century, and at the same time I do not understand to speak at this forum. why should we talk about world wars? I'm an offer. focus on the topic related to the topic that the author asked.
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: stivep on May 09, 2021, 06:37:34 PM
 из России пока не уехал,но России в тебе никогда и не было ?
_____________________________________________________________

Сегодня для России день празднования победы, когда миллионы россиян погибли в боях с Германией.
Это день победы, но также и день, отражающий самоотверженный героизм и страдания русских
во время Второй мировой войны.
Не следует винить российский народ во всех преступлениях против
человечности, совершенных Советским правительством с 1917 по 1991 год
и Российской Федерацией с 1991 года по сегодняшний день.
__________________________________

Пакт Рибентрофа Молотова положил начало этой трагедии не только для остального мира,
но и для всех россиян.
Они тоже были жертвами.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_
Pact#:~:text=The%20Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop%20Pact%20was%20a%20non-aggression%20pact%20between,those%20two%20powers%20to%20partition%20Poland%20between%20them (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact#:~:text=The%20Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop%20Pact%20was%20a%20non-aggression%20pact%20between,those%20two%20powers%20to%20partition%20Poland%20between%20them).

Советы убили много населения в Финляндии, Латвии, Литве, Эстонии и с 17 сентября 1939 года в Польше.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Poland
 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Poland)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre)

Затем они присоединились к параду в Бресте, обнимаясь, целовались и пили с гитлеровскими солдатами и праздновали победу.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:German%E2%80%93Soviet_military_parade_in_Brest-Litovsk#:~:text=Did%20you%20know...%20that%20a%20joint%20Nazi-Soviet%20military,the%20entry%20may%20be%20seen%20at%20Wikipedia%3ARecent%20additions%2F2009%2FSeptember (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:German%E2%80%93Soviet_military_parade_in_Brest-Litovsk#:~:text=Did%20you%20know...%20that%20a%20joint%20Nazi-Soviet%20military,the%20entry%20may%20be%20seen%20at%20Wikipedia%3ARecent%20additions%2F2009%2FSeptember).

Так что Советы были агрессорами, благодаря которым и началось все это. Из-за них погибли и наши американские солдаты.!!!!!
!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IFmBQS8FDc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IFmBQS8FDc)
!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!
!!!!!
Я выражаю огромное уважение этим миллионам россиян, которые потеряли свою жизнь, не зная,
что их борьба приведет к 45 годам советского террора и оккупации
стран
-Восточная Германия,
-Польша
-Чехия
-Словакия,
-Венгрия,
-Румыния,
-Болгария,
-Украина,
-Литва,
-Латвия,
-Эстония,
и все еще продолжается оккупация Россией:
-Осетии,
-Крыма,
-Донецка,
-Луганска.
-Курильские острова,
-Приднестровье,
-Генеральная губерния - Прусы Всходные,
-Я поддерживаю белорусский народ, пытающийся вырваться из-под российского господства,
и их борьбу за присоединение к свободным европейским странам.

Я желаю русскому народу всего наилучшего.

 юридическая записка: мнение выражено - полностью мое собственное, в соответствии с конституцией США

Wesley
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: Ilya Tsimbaluk on May 09, 2021, 09:58:21 PM
Dear Wisley, unfortunately I cannot be distracted by politics, because I am personally busy with my own business and this business can somehow change something for the better, conversations about politics - I see no point, it is pointless. So I'd rather spend my time translating interesting articles on the theory of relativity.
more precisely, about its insolvency. but given. that these articles are scanned. which is impossible to just upload a translator to google. I have to do it all manually.
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: stivep on May 09, 2021, 10:46:30 PM
 I do appreciate your work.
 Difference of opinions is always rewarding to both of us.
I was stimulated to refresh my knowledge about Ether/eather and got back to  Einstein: special relativity and general relativity.
I do thank you for that.
My post  from today was not political but praising   heroism of these who  were  pushed to fight for  delusional values
of these who benefited  by having power to enslave them and their children more.
Human life is the best we can have  and thanks to that you are able to  communicate.
I'm  for  everyone trying to understand science  and phenomena around us.
Thank you for the pictures. I see that you are  very young  man with potential.
In the past there was Russian whom I  helped to escape from Russian reality.
His words:
Quote
Yes- from perspective of Russia, it  was like impossible  to be done as 
I had only 47 dollars and 37 cents in my pocket than.
But it was  more than easy from perspective of USA.
Now  just few years  later my gross is 3.7 million dollars.
Yes I have mortgage, loans, school credit to pay but  Wesley
-teacher  in Russia  earns 170 dollars per month and in here $78 000 per year.
All I was in need to is  just to get out  from Russia.
Just get out..
Just physically  move from  point A to point B..
any job gives 30-50 dollars per hour.
I'm visiting Russia and I'm in shock how fast they got old in that climate.
He had a chance to return to Russia after 3 years and don't work  there any longer for the rest of his life .
He decided  not to..
His money send to relatives in Russia is plenty more  for  very comfortable life there.
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In physics it is clasical example of  the two points of observation and  phenomena in question.
You mentioned about plenty of equipment  I have and few very professional cameras
For us it is normal. This is the life of   Western World middle class and lower than  middle class population.
Some  of us buy a yacht, some   others, another house in Pennsylvania, or have few  more cars.
I do wish you have such chance dear Ilya.
Wesley

 
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: Ilya Tsimbaluk on May 10, 2021, 12:06:52 PM

Observations of O. Römer

In 1676 at the Paris Observatory the Danish astronomer O. Römer, observing the planet Jupiter and its satellite, noticed that during its full revolution of the satellite around Jupiter. determined by the moment of exit (or entry) of the satellite from the shadow of Jupiter, changes periodically. The periodicity turned out to be associated with the movement of the Earth in its orbit around the Sun.
During the closest approach of the Earth to Jupiter in position 1, period II-T2 = 1.77 days = 1.5 * 10 ^ 5 seconds.

When the Earth moves to position II, the period begins to increase and reaches its maximum T2 in position ii, after which it decreases and becomes again equal to T1 in position III, T1 = T3. But the situation does not end here, but continues until position IV, where the period acquires its maximum value. then it increases to the initial position in position I. The maximum rotation of the period Io dT2 is 15 seconds, approximately the same and the decrease in dT4 is 15 seconds. In all other intermediate positions of the Earth in orbit, the changes in

Io's passage are proportional to the component of the Earth's velocity relative to Jupiter along the Earth-Jupiter straight line. the period increases if the Earth moves away from Jupiter, and decreases if it approaches him. since the angular velocity of Jupiter's revolution around the Sun is much less than the angular velocity of the Earth (the year of Jupiter is almost 12 Earth years), then during the year the relative position of the Earth and Jupiter changes insignificantly and does not have a noticeable effect on the described effect.

Comparing two observations of Io's periods at points 1 and III, O. Roehmer saw that their periods are equal, but the beginning of the period at position III is described by his measurements by 22 in comparison with if the duration of the periods did not change during the time between observations. The astronomer determined that the delay in the beginning of the period of Io in speech III is caused by the fact that the light from the satellite to the observer must travel to the observer an additional distance equal to the diameter of the Earth's orbit. dividing this distance by the time of delay, Roemer calculated the speed of light for the first time in the world.


Consider now the periods in position II and IV. the first of them is 15 seconds longer than the initial one, the second is by the same amount less. the change in the duration of the periods shows. that light has different values ​​of its speed relative to the observer, depending on the conditions of registration.



Substituting in the last formula the numerical values ​​of the observed periods, the speed of the Earth's orbital motion. again we calculate the speed of light relative to the source.
The latter method of calculating the speed of light is possible only because the phenomenon discovered by Römer and the results of its measurements exactly correspond to the results of our supposed experiment with a moving platform, which confirm the classical law of addition of velocities for light.
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: AreYouSure? on May 10, 2021, 07:29:04 PM
Did someone made OU device?

Sure, and it would be beyond stupidity if that person admit it in public.

In a world where oil is making trillions of dolars per day,
to come out with something which will supress oil is
equal to hell itself.
That person must be brain damaged to do such a thing.

On a Youtube there are plenty of videos from people who made it,
you dont have to ask here,
and if you do, you are probably seeking for new candidates,
which brings us to question who are you?
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: NdaClouDzzz on May 10, 2021, 07:49:10 PM
@AreYouSure?
It's a shame that greedy people built our world economy based on the sale of energy, a basic need. But greed ruling this world is just the cold hard TRUTH!👍
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: Ilya Tsimbaluk on May 10, 2021, 08:09:30 PM
Greetings.

I have been talking with Wisley here for a very long time on a topic related to Einstein's system error, due to which people are trying to view the environment as emptiness.
However, your conversations lead to the fact that you have probably lost a certain logical line here, in which I tried to say that. that I just proved with the team. that since the time of Joule and Faraday there has been some systemic error in which, initially, any installation operating on the basis of electromagnetism is just an overunity device.

To put it very roughly, we just got it, about the stage of proving the efficiency of the concept or physics of the process.

But the question is. you ask how fucking a person I am. I think that to the fullest, on all three planes, including time)
The fact is that the topic related to oil just speaks about that. that it will end. you don't even need to ask the child. who will say. that we cannot burn oil itself forever.
But it's a matter of controlling people. to make people buy energy and sell everything, we already have digital technologies. The only question is the business model.
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: NdaClouDzzz on May 10, 2021, 08:16:20 PM
@Ilya
The comments were not to you. They were to the OP who started this thread. Please excuse the disruption of your conversation with Wesley.
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: Ilya Tsimbaluk on May 10, 2021, 08:53:47 PM
The question of the business model is already a question. which concerns building a startup)

But I would like to dwell on those issues first. which we began to consider with Wisley. The bottom line is. that I had to poke around in the literature for a very long time. which is very much, which is ignored today, but which is literature today. which says that. that the theory of relativity itself is still a crude concept. I can not tell. that it does not give me pleasure to bring up this literature. I am from the point of view that it is still Wednesday. through which physical bodies interact precisely is Ether. Because it more accurately in our mind conveys its essence as something that is not empty.

My point of view is. that the planet Earth is moving for the reason that there is something in this environment. which, on the one hand, can be called like a kind of curvature of space and time, but then you need to clearly explain. what kind of matter is it. After all, meo a is the cause of the movement of the planet Earth. And I would like to remind you. that Einstein himself in recent years was inclined to believe that the idea of ​​Ether still exists, but it was already too late to revise this concept.

Wisley also directs its focus on politics and material wealth of the inhabitants of certain countries. It certainly makes you focus on that topic. which I would like to propose for discussion. oh I still put my coin here.
It is a fact. that today the United States is the dominant country. which was able to impose the dollar on the whole world and be the financial focus of the world. If I should have been grateful to Putin for that. that the local oligarchy is focused on selling resources and at the same time is destroying Russia. which makes capital flow away from Russia to the United States. and also contributes to the brain drain from Russia to the United States.

It is a fact. that the United States is a land of opportunity. Moreover. that the United States is pursuing an aggressive policy in the world. in order to dominate financially and politically, nevertheless, large or venture capital enables young talents to become successful people and the same Elon Musk, Steve Jobs is evidence of this. And of course, this is also connected with the desire of big capital to dominate the field of new technologies.
That is why Silicon Valley is so famous.

And I personally will not hide it. that it is in the USA that I plan to present my technologies with a successful combination of circumstances ..
But I speak carefully, because I always speak about a successful combination of circumstances. This is due to the fact. that if we look at NASA's LEAN system, then we have now confirmed only the TRL-4 level by proving. that we have confirmed the possibility at the level of concept or physics of processes. TRL-5 is the engineering level. which we go through. This is the level where we have to connect the engineering thought with the resulting effect. TRL-6 is field testing and only TRL-9 is coming to the product or mass production level.
Each stage requires its own funding.
Now we are doing everything on the enthusiasm of our team.

But it became interesting for me to attach some photos. in which in 2018 we showed. that contrary to strange statements, mechanical work in an electric motor and energy. which moves according to Umov-pointing-Heaviside around the wires are completely different types of energy. which are interconnected indirectly and the agent. who can connect them together is not. we sent the data to one of the well-known electronics engineers in Ukraine. to confirm that our waveforms are correct.
further in 2019 and 2020, our task was to deal with the physics of processes, since we began to resist some foundations in electrical engineering and thermodynamics.
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: AreYouSure? on May 10, 2021, 09:54:20 PM
Greetings.

I have been talking with Wisley here for a very long time on a topic related to Einstein's system error, due to which people are trying to view the environment as emptiness.
However, your conversations lead to the fact that you have probably lost a certain logical line here, in which I tried to say that. that I just proved with the team. that since the time of Joule and Faraday there has been some systemic error in which, initially, any installation operating on the basis of electromagnetism is just an overunity device.

To put it very roughly, we just got it, about the stage of proving the efficiency of the concept or physics of the process.

But the question is. you ask how fucking a person I am. I think that to the fullest, on all three planes, including time)
The fact is that the topic related to oil just speaks about that. that it will end. you don't even need to ask the child. who will say. that we cannot burn oil itself forever.
But it's a matter of controlling people. to make people buy energy and sell everything, we already have digital technologies. The only question is the business model.

Environment is not empty.
Waves can not propagate through empty.

There is a simple experiment which shows what gravity is,
and around that experiment was built a project.

A metalic bowl filled with water,
2 plastic object (sphere) which can float were placed on the water surface,
in proximity to each other.
take the metal wrench or similar and rhythmically punch the metal bowl,
a waves will appear on the surface of water and 2 plastic sphere will rush each towards other,
until they touch.
Adding the waves will create gravity.

Repeat the experiment the 1000 times with different floating objects,
and every time when you create waves [frequency] 2 objects will start to attract each other.

Plastic spheres are particles, water is medium, and when waves are present,
attraction force, gravity, emerge.

Is the gravity complicated,
No!

Human animals made it complicated, monkeys.

Try the simple experiment, see the simple truth for yourself.

Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: AreYouSure? on May 10, 2021, 09:57:27 PM
Even the Tesla said,

everything is based on waves and frequency.
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: AreYouSure? on May 10, 2021, 10:21:38 PM
In another words,

Take the metal sphere, ship,

emit lots of waves inside the ship,

The waves will reflect inside sphere and create standing wave point inside the sphere.

That standing point is gravity source and whole sphere, ship, will try to fall to that point,

making the ship following the gravity point.


In order to move gravity point, and ship, you need 3 emitters, [3d space]

and adding different emitting power to each emitter,

you will move gravity point, standing point, [it is 3d space - point] inside the ship and ship, metal sphere will follow gravity point.

The crew must be in upper section so gravity point is always below them,

and they will always experience gravity under their feat.

Changing the position of gravity point with the 3 emitters, for even little and with that magnitude,

will affect crew and they will be disorientated, bot not physically harmed.


If the ship is sphere like, it will start to spin around,

so it is better to make it saucer like, so it can dissipate the waves in one axis of plane,

and prevent spinning.

The spinning will remain but not that much with saucer shape ship.


More and more people are starting to think and see those simple facts, ignored before.

Gravity is consequence of waves and frequency and is not fundamental force.
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: AreYouSure? on May 10, 2021, 10:58:19 PM
There is no antigravity,

gravity is consequence of waves and frequency and

has no opposite force.


Every gravity ship is creating its own gravity pool,

and because gravity pool is local and small in diameter,

it affect only ship and small area around ship which we see as glow around gravity ships.

Every gravity ship dissipate waves, under high density,

creating the light waves which we see as glow around,

in space and in atmosphere, the same glow effect.


The ship is emitting huge amount of waves inside the ship,

and some of the waves escape, emitting through the metal hull,

outside.

The gravity drive is depending on the reflection of waves inside the ship,

in order to create standing wave point inside the center of the ship. 

Manipulating the center of standing wave point inside ship,

ship can be propelled towards the standing point, gravity point.
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: AreYouSure? on May 10, 2021, 11:05:31 PM
The waves itself are small and affects particles,

so the human body does not feel anything.

Particles does.

Smaller the waves, greater the power must be to produce effect.

If the waves are bigger it will tear apart any matter inside, including the crew.


And the project based on the simple bowl experiment was success.

It works just like that.

Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: AreYouSure? on May 10, 2021, 11:13:55 PM
The only problem needed to be solved is to create oscillator, transistor,

of huge power which can oscillate, emit, on electron frequency or

at least close to it!


So there are little or none of those who can produce it tomorrow.

Experiments can be done and effect will emerge, as it was done,

but not even close to commercial transport which can transport living beings.

Except maybe military or other institutions with unlimited resources.
The military probably already solved this obstacle and travel around solar system as we speak.


So knowing the principle does not help to produce commercial vehicle, today!

Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: Floor on May 10, 2021, 11:30:07 PM
@ Are You Sure ?

   Nice !
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: AreYouSure? on May 10, 2021, 11:40:51 PM
I presume all of you will try the metal bowl experiment and

scratch the head like monkeys thinking

how 2 plastic spheres always attract each other under the influence of waves.


Remember, it cant be possible without particle accelerators?

No way!


Nature can not be that simple and is needed much more complicated equipment

and hundred of years of research to figure out true nature of gravity.


Simple it must be, there is no other way.


And power source must be even more complicated!

Power source must involve eons to figure out,

Kapanadze is simple not true. It can not be. It is lye!
It can not exist!

Well, if you figure propulsion, must figure drive to propels it!

Even more simpler.

 
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: NdaClouDzzz on May 10, 2021, 11:55:51 PM
Greetings.

I have been talking with Wisley here for a very long time on a topic related to Einstein's system error, due to which people are trying to view the environment as emptiness.
However, your conversations lead to the fact that you have probably lost a certain logical line here, in which I tried to say that. that I just proved with the team. that since the time of Joule and Faraday there has been some systemic error in which, initially, any installation operating on the basis of electromagnetism is just an overunity device.

To put it very roughly, we just got it, about the stage of proving the efficiency of the concept or physics of the process.

But the question is. you ask how fucking a person I am. I think that to the fullest, on all three planes, including time)
The fact is that the topic related to oil just speaks about that. that it will end. you don't even need to ask the child. who will say. that we cannot burn oil itself forever.
But it's a matter of controlling people. to make people buy energy and sell everything, we already have digital technologies. The only question is the business model.

Ilya
I meant to say please excuse MY disruption of your conversation with Wesley.
Regards

Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: lancaIV on May 11, 2021, 02:01:26 AM
Having an overunity device means commercial (independent no/high profit project),at first, NOTHING !


Developping by the same time the right "mass production process" ! And the right material delivery source !


And be attented that our worldwide market is under syndicate/cartel condition working ! Beside "London/Paris Clube " pricing trade !




https://pubs.usgs.gov/sir/2012/5188/sir2012-5188.pdf (https://pubs.usgs.gov/sir/2012/5188/sir2012-5188.pdf)


Aluminium (per pound)1927 price / 2010 price                             4 times more expensive


compared


hot rolled steel bar (per 100 pounds) 1927 price / 2010 price       23 times more
expensive
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: stivep on May 11, 2021, 02:41:32 AM
Greetings.
I have been talking with Wesley here for a very long time on a topic related to Einstein's system error,
I'm sorry  I'm not in my office now I'm often on the road and I'll be there for some time.
Linking to my office computer  is not   so comfortable, and direct response  is  giving  to many information about my location .
It is especially  important when I'm visiting  test site  or  people involved in project.
So I don't have  so much of a comfort to respond.
But I try to read  your posts in my free time.

Wesley

 
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: stivep on May 11, 2021, 03:25:42 PM
//You ask me to give a link.//
Да, просто дайте ссылку, мне не нужен PDF или перевод, я говорю на вашем языке.

Yes, just give me a link , I don't need PDF  or translation I speak your language.
 
Ether impresses me more, because it is associated with something filled.
I trying to piece together evidence of the failure of relativism// as// is too primitive and //is// studying natural phenomena with mathematical abstraction.
Я вас понимаю. Но для мира эфир  не менее мертв, чем это тело Ленина на Красной площади, на вершине мертвого коммунизма,
которому помогает умирающая  конституция, изнасилованная ОМОНом.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7jlDHlIKM0
Даже если вы скажете, что это наоборот, никто вам не поверит.
Ваше время потрачено зря, вы не можете на нем заработать
Тот, кто  назначает деньги Старухину, получает часть « денег»,
а вы просто аттракцион, просто инструмент, позволяющий ему попросить еще Баблa
 
 
I understand you But for the world ether/ether is not less dead  than  that dead body of Lenin in Red Square, 
on the top of dead communism  assisted by dying  constitution  raped by OMON.
Even if you say that it is opposite,  nobody would believe you. Nobody is interested.
Your time is wasted, you can't  make money on it.
You are just  an attraction,  just the tool, for Staruhin to ask for more.
You have a lot of equipment and an excellent system for video editing.

Программа редактирования Davinci Resolve 17 бесплатна. Это стоило НОЛЬ !!!!. качай его, он делает в точности все, что моя студийная версия.
Но нужно спросить у Старухина компьютер получше, так как он требует много вычислительной мощности.

Davinci Resolve 17  editing  program is for free. It cost ZERO!!!!.  download it , it does exactly  everything what my studio version.
But you need to ask Staruhin for  better computer as it is  power hungry.
 
2 J per 1 J was obtained, we would need to make a more accurate setting. in which we would need a high-temperature superconductor and a company in Moscow
2 J за каждый 1 J можно получить только путем преобразования энергии или подключения к источнику энергии,
за который вам не нужно платить. например, солнечная и ветровая.
У меня дома и в двух лабораториях есть установка по производству жидкого азота.

 2 Joule per every  1 Joule  can be  done only by  process of energy conversion or coupling to the source  of energy you don't need to pay for.
 e.g- solar and wind.  I have Liquid Nitrogen  plant in my house and in my two labs.
 
what is the impedance at the physical level and by what method the energy can be destroyed,
I think nothing about impedance can be found more  and energy can't be created nor destroyed.
The first law of thermodynamics, https://courses
 (https://courses.lumenlearning.com/boundless-chemistry/chapter/the-laws-of-thermodynamics/#:~:text=The%20first%20law%20of%20thermodynamics%2C%20also%20known%20as,however%2C%20it%20is%20electrical%20energy%20that%20is%20converted.)
we decided to put superconductors aside for the time being. So now with an engineer. which appeared in my team, we plan to
do an experiment in order to get closer to the electric motor itself and at the same time check the concept finally and start prototyping
the device in the future. which could be demonstrated to a potential investor.
You know   reality  around you :
- что-то всегда выходит сухим из воды - но не вы
Если дела пойдут “не так”, заберут  имущество, “отожмут”компанию, да и вообще, как будешь отвечать перед инвесторами...
-если кто-то, включая вас, живет в любой стране бандитов...«Твой бизнес либо отожмут, либо развалят»
 
I have to deal with the physics itself. // it is very difficult to explain to // academic science // why we have more //energy  .. in our installation.
Мне здесь очень легко.
Инвестор должен платить деньги. Его интересует не наука, а денежная выгода.
Он, скорее всего, не поймет и не хочет . Нам не нужно ничего объяснять, пока его команда не попросит..
Неважно, что мы говорим
- если идея "обещает" он платит за это.

I is very easy here:
Investor is to pay money He is not interested in science but in monetary gain..
He will likely not understand it nor he wants too.
We don't need to explain anything until his team ask for it.
It doesn't matter what we say  - if  Idea is promising he pays for it.
we are debating about ~Ether~ or Physical Vacuum with its virtual particles and Dirac holes.
Dirac hole theory: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirac_hole_theory (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirac_hole_theory)
Dirac sea: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirac_sea (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirac_sea)
is fascinating subject but today  I don't have time  to talk about it more.
Legal note : opinion expressed is my entirely own according to  American constitution

Wesley
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: kolbacict on May 11, 2021, 03:27:13 PM
Quote
https://overunity.com/18815/has-anyone-here-constructed-an-overunity-system-that-works/dlattach/attach/181532/
Valvol.  :) Yes confirm. the very educated person.
See what he came up with in the attachment. I've tried to bring this up here before.
But I was ignored. This, of course, is not a perpetual motion machine, but still interesting.
Do you think it could be a startup in the USA?
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: stivep on May 11, 2021, 07:58:55 PM
У меня дома и в двух лабораториях есть установка по производству жидкого азота.
I will  publish more in my part of forum

Wesley
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: stivep on May 11, 2021, 09:48:52 PM
 This is connection between  N2 gaseous  nitrogen generator and
 Liquid  nitrogen generator  LN2
__________________________
 N2 gas is delivered to  the Cold head.
 Cold  head is cooled  by  Helium Compressor at the bottom.
 Helium compressor is cooled by  refrigerated water cooler .
 N2  when touching  cold finger of Cold head that is inside of the Dewar  changes to droplets that drops down
 into the bottom of the  Dewar( the big 36L  bottle)
Это соединение между генератором газообразного азота N2 и генератором жидкого азота LN2
__________________________
Газ N2 подается в холодную головку.
Холодная головка охлаждается гелиевым компрессором внизу.
Гелиевый компрессор охлаждается охладителем охлаждающей воды.
N2 при прикосновении к холодному пальцу Холодной головы, находящемуся внутри сосуда Дьюара,
превращается в капли, которые падают на дно сосуда Дьюара (большая бутылка объемом 36 л).


Wesley
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: Ilya Tsimbaluk on May 11, 2021, 10:15:01 PM
Greetings dear Wesley.



Are you sure you are writing to me?
To the person. who lives in Belarus near Minsk. Minsk and Moscow are absolutely two different cities, different countries.
So I get the impression. that you are drawing some of your own pictures in your head, and I cannot understand in any way why you are doing this so diligently.
I have not communicated with Starukhin for 6-7 years (approximately). Yes. we contacted on purely technical topics. I have many acquaintances. who communicates with Starukhin, but my acquaintances 6-7 years ago suggested the idea of ​​creating an open laboratory. to experiment openly. In those days, video blogging or working on the stream was a novelty for me. we were able to collect some equipment. to work on some ideas.
Political sympathies did not interest me.

Since you once started showing videos. in which you began to talk about. some inventors were killed by the FSB - I trolled you so that you would try a little to look at yourself from the outside.
I'm more than sure. that all the videos that you show. in which there is supposedly free energy - it is there and that these people were killed by the FSB and so on.
And this was due to propaganda.
I don't like propagandists.

With regard to propaganda and Lenin.
You often talk about ether and again go to corpses and so on.
I forced the USSR in school and I remember. that in literature lessons we were so fed up with propaganda about Lenin. that I wrote my poem about Lenin. My classmate passed this trick to the teacher. who sat with me at the same desk.
As a result, my parents were called to school. Conducted explanatory conversations.

Now I hear again propaganda about Lenin, and to be honest, I do not like ANY propaganda at all. It doesn't inspire me.
I am human. which works in incredibly difficult conditions than you can imagine and at the same time translate your focus into some strange propaganda theme.

The idea of ​​fighting against something is flawed in itself. I prefer to work for something. in this case for some interesting purpose.
I don't like to complain about life.
To get me what I want. I had a very difficult time. not easy at all). Considering. that a global pandemic, while I am in Minsk, European sanctions and so on do not make life easy.
I don't get a job for one reason. that then I will not be able to do my own development and research. including translating literature, because at least it's interesting. on the other hand, I don't want to devote my life to that. what I do not like. But you have to pay for it. for this you have to interrupt with hard work, since the business is stagnant.
But I am not standing still in spite of VERY difficult conditions. Things inspire me. which can bring something useful and interesting.

Conversations about Ether, about which I am going, are of a specific nature. As I explained, at the moment I prefer to use the terminology associated with Ether, because the word Vacuum or Physical Vacuum has a certain coloration and I do not really like it.

About Kapanadze. For all Wesley's promises to give out the secret to the public from Kapanadze, we most likely will not get it if we have it. It's hard for me to discuss that. which I have not personally seen.

When we talk about the force interaction of the electric field in the Coulomb torsion balance, we are talking about the electric field. It is responsible for this force of interaction. But the electric field itself on two electrified bodies is not taken from the void. And they forget to tell us about where the field itself comes from. Nobody saw the charge with their own eyes. charge in mathematical expression is the result of the forceful interaction of an electric field with a physical body through a distance.

An interesting question was raised here)
let's imagine. that you are in a rocket. You are speeding up. What is weighing on you? You will say - that this is the force of gravity. But relativists will say that we are being pressed by the Lorentz transformations. mathematical change in space and time. maybe say that time. but in fact you are influenced by matter. relative to which you are moving and in addition to the forces of gravity, forces of inertia will exert on you.

But Umov is not the first. who pondered. what is the flow of energy. Isaac Newton also thought about this. Umov was the first who introduced such a concept as the flow of energy in mechanics and began to do it in relation to electromagnetism. But then Umov was not listened to. He was close to failure defending his dissertation. The letter written to Kirchhoff had no reaction to Kirchhoff. But later Poynting. a little later, independently of Heaviside.

As far as research is concerned, you're right. you need funding to do research. But I do everything myself with funds. which we are collecting with a group of enthusiasts. That is why our work is proceeding so slowly and so protracted.

But we have no choice and now we have to work in the future on a prototype. because without a prototype, the investor will not talk to us. They are not interested in science and this is a fact. I am working with a colleague. who launched his startup in 500 startups and he has already talked with more than one venture capitalist. Everyone is talking about only one thing - that it is interesting. We are not interested in any science. we are only interested in the finished device. Therefore, it is difficult for us, but still we are slowly moving towards our goal.

now at the moment we are preparing an experiment. to translate the resulting physics of processes into a real device. And the question is. that now we have attracted to our side a young specialist who is fluent in CAD in the form of Ansis Maxwell and he has to secretly perform modeling and calculations at work. Therefore, this experience is being done just for him. so that he can feel and make sure. that in 200 years we have missed something and it's just so obvious. which is strange. that people, under the impression of existing literature, have such clouded eyes.

Actually, to Wesley's delight, we're doing that. what. most likely it was Edwin Gray. However, the interpretation of John Bedini and the American background was false.) I personally did not communicate with him. but for that information. which I was able to get starting with information from John Bedini, But we were in for a fiasco, as well as a fiasco. which brought information from Newman and so on. That. which is in the public domain. I'm ready to guess. that John Bedini could hide the truth, but this is only speculation and nothing to do.

But here's the thing. that in the USSR there was once a popular science film, in it the events unfolded in the USA, where psychologists decided to conduct an experiment by bringing a group of scientists together. They showed a fake video about an inventor who allegedly demonstrated an anti-gravity installation. One of the scientists believed so. that it's true that he ended up creating it.

For the plant and liquid nitrogen, that's great news. I would like you to tell more about it. More precisely, more about your laboratory. I watched the video about the installation with pleasure. which you showed to evacuate It is useful and educational. But the rollers. in which the frequencies include scraps mixed with propaganda - it's hard to watch.

Why that would be interesting. As I understand. what can we talk about. to do the experiment remotely. I believe correctly. In the form of some kind of collaboration?
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: Ilya Tsimbaluk on May 12, 2021, 08:19:55 AM
Greetings - looked at the installation. Looks awesome.
Yes. the dream of working in your own laboratory is a wonderful story. the toolbox can solve a lot.
I work in a much more modest environment at the moment. although I worked in encata some time ago, it was interesting for me to look at the prototyping process from the outside. Now I understand. which is essentially a routine.

So I am now working to enable my partner to go to the United States and talk there about financing the project. But also the creation of our own laboratory. But on what territory and where it is not clear to me yet.

Because potentially lucrative things are of interest not only to decent people. but also dishonest, I would like to say. that of course in some case there is some security in the US. Why does my partner have a registered office in Delaware. and foreign investors will not invest in a company from the post-Soviet space.

As for the location of the future or proposed laboratory, it is not at all clear to me, and so far I do not think about it. My task this year is to build a prototype close to the minimum requirements, but sufficient. so that it could be invested. But it is clear that certain resources will be required to create a mechanical device. including tools.

Below is a photo of my partner.
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: Floor on May 12, 2021, 08:24:05 AM
As the title says, has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works? If so, are there instructions to reproduce your build? I'm asking because it would be nice to hear from someone who has personal experience of a system and can verify that it works and produces more energy that it consumes.

Like I earlier said..

here is one @

https://overunity.com/18551/magnet-shear-to-direct-pull-work-ratio/msg557293/#msg557293

         floor
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: Floor on May 12, 2021, 08:45:40 AM
But there are several other energy from permanent magnet
designs here at the O.U. forum.
   @
https://overunity.com/18511/floors-magnets-explained/msg546306/#msg546306
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: conradelektro on May 12, 2021, 02:56:00 PM
Like I earlier said..

here is one @

https://overunity.com/18551/magnet-shear-to-direct-pull-work-ratio/msg557293/#msg557293 (https://overunity.com/18551/magnet-shear-to-direct-pull-work-ratio/msg557293/#msg557293)

         floor

@Floor: When you write about your "magnet shear" you only state the force applied (in grams).

You then have to compute the "work" which is "force times displacement" or W = F * s
see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Work_(physics (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Work_(physics))

Finally you have to compute the "power" which is P = dW/dt = F*v
see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_(physics (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_(physics))

In simpler words: you need to take into account over which distance (s) the force (F) is applied (W = F * s) and the time (t) during which the work is done (P = dW/dt = F*v, where s and t go into the calculation of v).

Just to talk about the force is not sufficient to compare "power in" with the "power out".

It is not easy to calculate the power for you contraptions. Careful distance measurements and time measurements would be necessary. Nothing happens "in a linear way" in your contraptions, therefore a function has to be modeled and then integrated numerically. I do not want to do the work, because the outcome of the calculation is clear.

Do you really think that such a simple thing (what you call magnet shear) was overlooked? There is no "magnet shear", just a magnetic field and the properties of a magnetic field are known in all directions.

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: stivep on May 12, 2021, 03:13:00 PM
Greetings dear Wesley.


Are you sure you are writing to me?
To the person. who lives in Belarus near Minsk. Minsk and Moscow are absolutely two different cities, different countries.


Some  dot's  connected
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Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: Floor on May 12, 2021, 03:30:51 PM
@ conradelektro

Thanks for your observations.

Can we discuss this ?

                 @
https://overunity.com/18862/energy-time-power-units-and-ratios/msg557581/#new

Even though we are not totally off topic...

There is a continuity flow here in this topic, I wish to respect.

  floor
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: Ilya Tsimbaluk on May 12, 2021, 03:49:00 PM
Dear Wesley.

Perhaps you are very inattentive. This video, in which we have been dealing with electric motors for 6 or 7 years.
As for Yaroslav Starukhin and his channel. it was a channel. in which Starukhin attracts a huge number of people to the conversation and interviews them. Very enthusiastic. We were among some. and then we decided to collect different experiments on the air.

Now I am in another country.
But because you are constantly focusing on propaganda and politics. I made it clear that I was not interested in propaganda and politics. I was interested in questions related to technology.
It was an interesting period in my life, and then, we or at the expense of donations.
As for Starukhin and me, they are separate people.
probably it was right to talk about it.

I think. that the best emphasis would be on science and technology.
As for you, of course I would be interested to take a look at your laboratory, so a video tour on purely technical topics would be interesting.
As far as I understand. are you in Lithuania?





Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: stivep on May 12, 2021, 05:29:20 PM
Dear Wesley.
Perhaps you are very inattentive. This video, in which we have been dealing with electric motors for 6 or 7 years.
As for Yaroslav Starukhin and his channel. it was a channel. in which
Starukhin attracts a huge number of people to the conversation and interviews them.
Very enthusiastic. We were among some. and then we decided to collect different experiments on the air.
Dear Ilya
The subject was for me interesting as you were there in Moscow for quite some time.
You were physically living there.
Global Wave and Staruhin supplied you with everything  you needed, food,  place to sleep,
possibly some money but  it was him who was "likely" paid.. not you.

I was also heavily under attack from you in number of videos you made  specially for me. :)
Some of your  videos were very "brutal".
I'm in New York USA
Americans  may disagree  with  an opinion , but they respect your opinion as you have rights to express it.
This is what democracy is about.
In countries ruled by bandits, tyrants, dictators, or organized government mafia  such freedom doesn't exist.
You dont understand that I'm not political but historical in area of:
-people in science,
-history of science.
Mentioned by me  historical facts about 1917  October  Revolution,  Stalin  terror time, Soviet  Aggression staring WW2
Prisons for Scientists, corruption, bribes,  -  fundamentally affected  Science and people involved.
_________________________________________________________________
 
So I didn't have problem with your opinion but with your motivation.
Staruhin/ Starukhin  for me  is a typical  Russian Government sponsored  individual whom I don't really  like much.
It was not me but Staruhin manifesting  Putin agenda and politicizing Global Wave - as the tool to invigilate and control FE community.
Government Paranoia to the point at  which anyone  who  has some  achievement was seen as a potential
danger to  the system whose  existence is based on trade of oil and gas.
In my video  you criticized
- I pointed  not only at   murder of Adrian Guska  but plenty of others
including me myself lucky to survive along with poisoned Tariel Kapanadze.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9foRzZEZRo
Science is not about like or dislike .
Science doesn't hate and doesn't love.
Science doesn't have feelings.
Peoples are.
So again please understand me too .
Looking at your videos where you were expressing :
-how much of and idiot I'm
-how bad, stupid, dull  I'm
pictures your state of mind at that particular time when you were with
Global Wave and Staruhin.
__________________________________________________

I respect anyone ability to learn, develop, contribute, fallow  official science,even if he is paid by bandits.
Our opinions may  be different but  that doesn't make you  less valuable as a contributor to  this forum.
I enjoy this conversation and I do thank you for that.
Я уважаю любого человека, способного учиться, развиваться, вносить свой вклад в официальную
науку, даже если ему платят бандиты. Наши мнения могут отличаться, но это не делает вас менее
ценным участником этого форума.
Мне нравится этот разговор, и я благодарю вас за это

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 :)
Wesley
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: Ilya Tsimbaluk on May 12, 2021, 06:53:40 PM
Dear Wesley.



My comment was sarcasm so that you can look at some things from the other side. You position yourself as a certain politicized figure. who is in search of free energy.
You wanted to create an effect with your video - and I decided to give it to you. now you are surprised that people are reacting to you. however, this effect was generated by you.

You are now talking about motivation. My motivation is to do what inspires me. I don’t want to waste my time on everything else. I like to invent and nothing more. To spend time discussing certain problems that I personally cannot influence is also regarded by me as a stupid waste of time and effort.

I invited you to tell about yourself. where do you live. what do you have interesting in the laboratory. It would be interesting to me. as well as those who probably could go to the channel in order to get something technical.
But you yourself did everything the way you wanted, you wanted to get a reaction. I tried to give it to you.

You yourself get through life what you think about the most. And they got it. As a reaction. And in this reaction. I am sure there is no involvement of the special services in the death of Kapanadze. there is your desire. As well as actually other inventors. who somehow died for their inventions. However, you have no proof. what these inventions were.

You may have every right to argue with me. But I believe in facts. So far no one has shown these facts, there are only strange questions)))

Therefore, in conclusion to everything, I want to say about that. then in physics there are still a large number of questions left, starting with the course of electrostatics, and I would love to watch it. I'm trying to divert your focus to something informative and useful.

As I said about that. that there are a huge number of questions in experiments, starting with the Coulomb torsion balance. Therefore, the questions of physics are interesting. as well as reading books on the physical vacuum and nothing else. And this is a creative activity that can lead to benefits for society.





Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: Ilya Tsimbaluk on May 12, 2021, 08:07:46 PM
https://studio.youtube.com/video/2MAyT7_w_og/edit (https://studio.youtube.com/video/2MAyT7_w_og/edit)
I am here now. This is not Moscow) This is Minsk and it is just wonderful here.
And I'm preparing now for
to experiments ...

Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: stivep on May 12, 2021, 10:20:05 PM
Dear Wesley.
/My comment was sarcasm/
/You wanted to create an effect with your video/you wanted to get a reaction/ - and I decided to give it to you/ , .
/You are now talking about motivation/
 
Motivation:
"Psychologists define motivation as the process by which activities are started, directed, and sustained so that certain needs are met."
My wife is psychologist here: https://youtu.be/_9foRzZEZRo?t=892 (https://youtu.be/_9foRzZEZRo?t=892)
Sarcasm:
' motion  applied : in order to hurt…, - the  irony to mock or convey contempt.'

-your motivation was to deeply  hurt me  in known to you   practically perfected in Russia format.
 Pouring over me, your vulgarisms and hate  intended  to squash me  deep into the floor of
Global Wave, Moscow  warehouse, occupied by Staruhin who was likely paid  entirely by oppression regime.
It was right  in the middle of  heavy attack on me of Russian trolls, and FSB than :)
Dear Ilya:
I didn't want any effect. I was expressing my pain as it was not long  after I was poisoned  and I know who did it  I assume  :)
I'm in Western civilized part of the world and I never used any word or sentence to  insult you or your value  in any way.
I understand that in sick reality - sickness is "normal to the plain  of reference ." - physics
Please read  it few times till you start to understand  what Western world is about.

____________________________________________________
 
I invited you to tell about yourself. where do you live. what do you have interesting in the laboratory.
But you yourself did everything the way you wanted
/I am sure there is no involvement of the special services in the death of Kapanadze./
Dear Ilya. 
In case affecting me and Tariel Kapanadze -there were "some" Russians.
The openness... the exposure,  made me and Tariel  to suffer and others to drop dead.
"Some Russians " are just waiting,  for me to  show what I have in my labs .
 This is mechanical part of   lab. https://youtu.be/DNxob3yY4LE  (https://youtu.be/DNxob3yY4LE)
___________________________________________


/experiments, starting with the Coulomb torsion balance/can lead to benefits for society.
/in physics there are still a large number of questions left, starting with the course of electrostatics,/
With all do respect to you, and to any other unfriendly to me person or power:
Expectation of some elements of this crowd is something they can see, experiment apply, benefit from, or steal.


Dear Ilya  in your videos  dedicated solely to me you attacked American values, but you with your partner are in hunt for American investor.
I was manifesting no need for  investor, or money, and these Russians found me so dangerous that they
send Venezuelans to one of my houses.
They seem to forget that we Americans have rights to guns and machine guns in our houses.
You have direction in science and I have too.
I'm fallowing checked working and applied  concept of Dr Corum from Viziv who got over 200 patents .
The tower was build. https://youtu.be/He5xQOJHlrU?t=135 (https://youtu.be/He5xQOJHlrU?t=135)
My mini-tower was build too and it works.
The only difference between me and Dr Corum is that he is sending energy from point A to B and I'm 
receiving energy using exactly the same  basis from Schumann  Waveguide.
I don't mind you  or anyone else to do it too.
I don't want to be a hero, I don't need fame nor money.
Yes, I’m a minimalist in life.
For more go here:
 https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/msg557086/#msg557086 (https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/msg557086/#msg557086)

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Wesley
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: kolbacict on May 13, 2021, 09:00:01 AM
You upset me ... All money, money.   It turns out that without financing a perpetual motion machine  can't build ? It turns out that hicks,beggar,голодранцев like me have no chance?  :'(
Needless to try?  :(
Title: Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
Post by: stivep on May 13, 2021, 04:36:23 PM
It turns out that hicks,beggar,голодранцев like me have no chance?
Absolutely not true.
1. You perfectly understand English.
2. you perfectly  manage Russian.
3. you are bright active  and  learning.
4.  no money is needed  to wind Tesla coil.
5. don't look to build perpetual motion machine  as it gives you no gain.
   It is like spending 1 dollar to gent 1 dollar back.
6. The only option is to do what Kapanadze did.  He received energy in form of surface wave  and converted it to
   energy he could use and present to the public- the electrical form of energy measured in  Power/h = voltage x current  in Delta T( the time frame )
7.  the cost of making is for Russians is close to  0 as they   can always get wire, and Plastic  tubing for  former of coil.
8. The top capacitor can be made from  any aluminum  tubing (e.g for cooling systems)
9. Mast https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/dlattach/attach/179153/image// (https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/dlattach/attach/179153/image//)
   ( the pipe allowing  top capacitor to be  adjustably elevated can be  telescopic  mast  from old russian   R=137 or R-40 )

    However that pipe doesn't have to exist at all.
     https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/msg552209/#msg552209 (https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/msg552209/#msg552209)
    all you need is to be able to  move it up  or down in line with coil vertical orientation.

summary :
It is not important Dear kolbacict to have any equipment at all.
https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/dlattach/attach/176581/image// (https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/dlattach/attach/176581/image//)

here is  everything that is needed to try A to B energy transfer.
https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/msg552083/#msg552083 (https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/msg552083/#msg552083)
with all information about coil frequency and  former diameter .

 I'm not smart  I'm just  narrowly fallowing certain direction  in  science. :)
 I collect  every information  from youtube or internet
 Our Ilya is more  interested in  wide area of  physics...   great  but  that is why Russia  is in deep s..t.
Great  physicists  are only good for academy, that pays for  them being there. 
Others must be narrow  good  self-persistent, like most of us the Americans.
But everyone can do it ...
 -The only difference  is that   some of them need it badly to become independent  wealthy or  businessman.
 

I  DON'T NEED all of  it -  AND I  HAVE IT .. so YOU CAN too.


You Can
Yes You Can   
(Barack Obama quote )
 
Wesley