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Author Topic: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?  (Read 98167 times)

bistander

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Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
« Reply #420 on: May 31, 2023, 09:38:28 PM »
sporotivlyasya => "Russian word which cannot be translated into English", per Google.

Anybody have a guess?
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Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
« Reply #421 on: May 31, 2023, 09:55:07 PM »
But, unlike the weird classic with its conclusions. where they say that in the generator we waste energy to create electricity - this is a very outdated concept from my point of view. as an individual.
It had a right to life. But the individual himself, depending on how he views the process, may view it differently. In fact, the rotor is resisted by the stator, which is attached to the support, and this support is the resultant force, which does not allow the stator to accelerate or to move at all. Therefore, the generation of electric energy can be seen as in the case of the spring clamped additional energy, which took place in Newtonian mechanics, where the magnetic field was an intermediary between the resisting bodies.

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Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
« Reply #422 on: May 31, 2023, 09:58:30 PM »
Hi, I just installed this translator, I hope it is really considered the best in the world, as it is claimed in the ads

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Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
« Reply #423 on: May 31, 2023, 10:04:42 PM »
Hello again, Deepl seems to translate more adequately than Google. What I wanted to say. that my experiment, which I conducted within the walls of the engineering company showed that through the magnetic field the impulse or kinetic energy is transferred to the second body. and the formed magnetic field is converted into the potential electric energy of a charged capacitor equal, though roughly, because I am obliged to bet on the error of installation, was equal to the work performed by the first body.

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Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
« Reply #424 on: June 01, 2023, 09:04:10 PM »
Greetings friends, today I spent the whole day walking around...The second part is Proteus.  Now I'm busy preparing the high-frequency equipment. I would like to ask a question - there is such a chip...
SPF5043Z
The datasheet says that at 400-500 MHz it can amplify by 22 dB. If I understand correctly we need to consider the power, i.e. the chip amplifies the signal by about 100 times. The maximum input power is 25 dbm, which is the equivalent of 0.3 W. Am I correct in converting the decibels to watts and decibels to times?

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Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
« Reply #425 on: June 01, 2023, 09:21:01 PM »
I decided to make a scan of the old videos and the setup I worked with...In the future, when I have time, I would like to talk about synchronous machines and flywheels...

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Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
« Reply #426 on: June 02, 2023, 12:03:54 AM »
Now I'm busy preparing the high-frequency equipment. I would like to ask a question - there is such a chip...  SPF5043Z
The datasheet says that at 400-500 MHz it can amplify by 22 dB. If I understand correctly we need to consider the power, i.e. the chip amplifies the signal by about 100 times. The maximum input power is 25 dbm, which is the equivalent of 0.3 W. Am I correct in converting the decibels to watts and decibels to times?


Hi,  data sheet includes the graph (Page 7) I attached below in which I indicated input power value of 1 mW which gets amplified to 22 dBm at 450 MHz (i.e. below the 1 dB compression point) and I indicated the corresponding voltage and power levels at 50 Ohm input and output impedances.

This link may be useful for you: https://www.everythingrf.com/rf-calculators/dbm-to-watts 

Regarding your approach for 22 dB amplification, it means 158.5 times power amplification, your 100 times estimation belongs to 20 dB power amplification.

see this link:  https://www.daycounter.com/Calculators/Decibels-Calculator.phtml   

The maximum input power for the chip is 25 dBm indeed (316 mW @50 Ohm) but it is the ABSOLUTE allowable maximum input power the chip can bear without being damaged.

Gyula

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« Reply #427 on: June 02, 2023, 05:46:11 AM »
Greetings, thank you so much for shedding the light. But here I have the following question - I intend to use the RA07M4047M chip
The datasheet says that the maximum input power is 70 mW. This one can output 150 mW. The amplifier itself has gain control by feeding a DC voltage to certain pins designated as Vgg. Hence the question - is the power of 70 mW the maximum power the chip can handle or is it the maximum power for the maximum gain for the Output? In other words - is it necessary to limit the input power by input? If yes, is it enough to install a resistive divider on the input of the amplifier?

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Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
« Reply #428 on: June 02, 2023, 10:31:27 AM »
A perpetuum work cycle :
from sub-Watt to Mega-Watt
https://techconnectworld.com/World2017/a.php?i=1125
https://geospatial.blogs.com/geospatial/2018/11/innovative-electric-power-sources-for-a-sustainable-future-.html
40 US$/KW production costs prediction

When this device will become comercial sold to endconsumer for 500 US$/KW

the average KWh electricity price would be,without capital tax calculation,only R.O.I.=

500 US$ / 8766 hours(= 1 year) / 11 (= estimated work life in years ) = 0,52 US¢ per KWh electricity !

       Nearly    2 KWh electricity for 1 cent ! Nice price preview !

But it is an industrial-military-political strategy device :
R&D co-financed by US federal estates !


As cheap as shale gas fob exploration,with capital tax as cheap as Saudi-Arabia world lowest cost solar electricity ! Near ex-U.S.S.R. amortized nuclear power plants power selling costs ( crypto coin mining areas !)

Instead 500 US$ for 400-300-....US$/KW endconsumer price !? After patent rights period !

The energy/power source for autonomous - low/no CO2-  society living !Beyond Lithium !

5 years after ,2018-2023 : not in media,Birmingham Technologies and their Nano-Boxx !

Would change battery market,solar cell market,wind-/water power/biomass-to-poeer exploration !

The CO2-emission-certificate-market making obsolete,unimportant !
The estates would need for searching of other tax and system tax x credit-leveraging factor 8-10   finance instruments !

Why searching for lower costs surplus power gain cycle systems ,when 40 US$/KW is the technical-financial benchmark to top = ≤ 40 US$/KW mass  production costs R&D !?

            40 US$/KW Nano-cell comparison :

~ 4¢/Wp solar cell production costs ,but only in orbit perpetuum,24/365= no Earth shadow , solar radiation !

It is also humanoid BOTs the ideal power source ,low weight and long work ,Tesla Optimus + Nano-Boxx !
10-50 infantery soldiers substituing :  20 000 US$ (Tesla Inc. price estimation,new/patent rights period)/ 8766 hours full-time war /10(up /50) substitution divisor :
the human soldier per hour battle value : 0,23 US$(divisor 10 ) ,down to 0,05 US$(divisor 50) per hour !

20 000 per Bot easily to bring down by mass REPRAP production to 4 000 US$ ! 74 Kg unit !
The 1 cent/hour battle value soldier ! Eugenics,aristocratic war-games,from tic-tac-toe middle point view !


Happy weekend wishing

OCWL


p.s.: also interestant R&D invention  ,2 articles ,from 2011 :

         https://cleantechnica.com/2011/09/20/okayama-solar-absorbers-use-%E2%80%9Cgreen-ferrite%E2%80%9D-to-generate-super-cheap-electricity-from-heat/

          https://www.greenoptimistic.com/green-ferrite-solar-cell-japan-20110920/


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Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
« Reply #429 on: June 02, 2023, 03:37:33 PM »
- is the power of 70 mW the maximum power the chip can handle

Yes.

- is it the maximum power for the maximum gain for the Output?

No. In the Features section 50 mW is recommended to get >7 W output when the VGG=3.5 V and VDD=7.2 V.
However, in the Typical Performance graphs (Page 4) by increasing VDD to max 9 V (and VGG remains at 3.5 V),  the output power can go up as high as 11 to 13 W (depends also on the frequency between 400 - 470 MHz) but you need to use good heat sink of course because drain current go up towards 3 Amper.   https://www.mitsubishielectric-mesh.com/products/pdf/ra07m4047m.pdf

 - In other words - is it necessary to limit the input power by input? If yes, is it enough to install a resistive divider on the input of the amplifier?

Yes.  Use a resistive divider (Pi or T) between the output of SPF5043Z and the input of the RA07 if you need a linear amplifier chain. Do not overdrive the input of the latter.

Gyula

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Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
« Reply #430 on: June 02, 2023, 09:28:36 PM »
Greetings, thank you very much for your reply. I think I probably still have a couple of small questions left in my head. But it would be interesting to get to know each other, as I really enjoy interacting with literate people.

Today I am very tired and as I think I have a difficult task, on the one hand to try to pass some points on my matte and also to talk about those researches, which showed me the reason. why the asynchronous machine is not over-engineered today, and also to tell about my experiments with my friend, which did not have that quantitative backlash anymore, but gave some thoughts about some direction, which could be developed.

I have a busy day at work right now, and I plan to spend some time describing my experiments in a couple of days, though.

One of the extensions was to work with flywheels as a continuation of the experiment described above. It is big, heavy and it begs to be put on the rails at the start and go forward to the victory of the great revolution.

I would also like to talk about the fact that the generator itself is a kind of closed mechanical circuit, which resists itself. But there is one problem - the generator must provide mechanical resistance so that we can rotate the rotor and have a relative motion of the rotor relative to the stator.

To break the mechanical chain, the idea was to break the mechanical chain by attaching the generator itself to the flywheel, as a certain store of kinetic energy.

At the moment of resistance, where the resistance is exerted by the moment of inertia or inertia. Accordingly, since between the rotor and the stator there is a relative condition - we have conditions that allow us to induce an EMF in the stator and at the same time a closed circuit and the output of energy through the commutation system,

But all this process will take place only until the stator and the flywheel accelerate and have maximum relative motion one relative to the other. In this case, the force that resists us is not the force with which we are fighting...but the force that acts on the body in the form of the flywheel.

To put it simply, we are not expending work to try to overcome the reaction forces of the support, we are expending work to give kinetic energy to the flywheel.

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« Reply #431 on: June 04, 2023, 10:11:51 AM »
Greetings friends.

I would like to dive back in time to the time when I assumed that if we put a load into an induction machine, that is, into its rotor - we could draw some energy from it and could thus obtain energy equal to the energy of the mechanical work that we could get on the shaft.

The main idea was that if we have a rotor and the standard literature described asynchronous machines and transformers, therefore in the transformer in the secondary winding we could draw energy.

The main reason I decided to build a pendulum in 2020 was to test the concept or the idea itself. At the time I was trying to replace the rotating magnetic field. which is formed in a synchronous machine mechanically. due to the fact that the experiment itself was a school level physics, in particular the magnets were made to rotate by the force of gravity. It is a natural force. for this there was no need to use any complex mechanisms or current sources. The potential energy of gravity is the simple formula E=mgh. When a body falls, we could calculate the end point through E = mgh, where h is height, m is the mass of the body, and g is the gravitational constant.
The difference in height is the work in joules.

As the magnet, rotating relative to a resting coil, being closed through a commutation system, a current appeared in the winding.Hence there appeared the Ampere force or the Lorentz force. which is essentially the same.The Ampere force deals with the force interaction of the magnetic field on the frame with the current, the Lorentz force deals with the force interaction of the magnetic field on the moving charge.

Because the gravity on the drum, which was a flywheel with an offset center of gravity, was made so that the drum itself as a flywheel would work just like a pendulum and could stop at a certain point, which was considered to be the reference point.
This control point helped us to measure the amount of energy communicated to this drum.
The amount of energy was measured through the communication of some body or pendulum of momentum (kinetic energy). Probably this method could be called the ballistic method.

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« Reply #432 on: June 04, 2023, 10:50:32 AM »
Yesterday I had health problems all evening. so I had to put off writing my posts until today. I can do it, because of the huge load in small portions. As I will have time to sit down at the computer.

was very happy to be given an answer to my questions. it would be very interesting to find like-minded people regarding my ideas and not only. it would be very interesting if Eric Dollard and Aaron could repeat this experiment as a pendulum, to confirm additionally the results that I was able to get with myself.

Let's now look at the electrical circuit.
I have always had a big question - what will be the inductance of the coil, if it will be induced by an EMF. this question did not give rest.because once all attempts to turn the motor Bedini. Adams into a complete electric motor, it all ended in failure for me.
So I once had to look for answers to my questions for a very long time.
Strange as it may seem. but in every textbook or literature they are indirectly given. since they are indirect, I have questions related to the operation of the direct current motor, this answer was found exactly in the literature on asynchronous machines.

In order. to consider the issues. which occur in the secondary circuit of a transformer or induction machine, and in the literature exactly the same processes are considered as in the secondary winding of the transformer. just this view has provided future answers to some questions.

First of all we would like to break down what the winding of any generator or the secondary winding of a transformer is. The transformer winding itself is a part of the winding, which in the literature is represented as a source of EMF.
The part of the winding which remains unperturbed by the alternating field or on that part of the winding where no EMF is induced is the winding. which appears as an inductance. capable of storing energy. the part of the winding which is inductance - has a reactance Xl, which sometimes appears as x. Since this resistance is frequency dependent, the total resistance or impedance Z is the sum of the active and reactive resistance Z=x+r.

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Re: Has anyone here constructed an overunity system that works?
« Reply #433 on: June 04, 2023, 10:56:05 AM »
Greetings to modern children "Lieutenant Schmitt".

In the summer of 2012, the Russian Superconductor Corporation, under the leadership of Guliy, tested an energy storage device with a flywheel.
The test result showed an efficiency of 0.97%.

https://n-t.ru/tp/ts/ci.htm

What does it mean? If we assume that the loss factor during the conversion of electrical energy into mechanical energy is 0.2 and back from mechanical to electrical energy 0.2, then at the output we should get from the input of electrical energy for acceleration (1 for acceleration) - 0.6 for consumers with storage output. The company recorded 0.97. For the production of 0.97 electrical energy, 1.17 mechanical energy is needed, taking into account generation losses. The question remains where this extra energy in the flywheel came from.

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« Reply #434 on: June 04, 2023, 11:20:09 AM »
The inventor of Gulia has applied the kinetic energy accumulator in motor vehicles. A well-made flywheel can show excellent results as an energy accumulator. But I wrote here not just about the flywheel, but about the method of transferring mechanical energy through electromagnetism or Lorentz force, which results from the fact that the winding in which the charge flows arises due to an induced EMF on the winding itself, which turns into a current and is then transferred through time. through a switching system to a capacitor or other storage device.

Since I am a practitioner. I would like to describe all the nuances that have arisen along the way. And talk not about theory. namely about practice. because a lot of experiments have been done to understand the physics of questions that. as it turned out have already been dealt with in the classical literature, but because of some curvature of representation.

Judging by the questions you are asking here, it shows that you have not read the material itself carefully. It is natural. fundamentally new information passes into a person's head through the prism of consciousness and requires repeated repetition.

Now to jump to the question of how is probably already doing to get an engineering solution right away.
But before jumping to an engineering solution, it is necessary to go through the Proof of Concept stage, which involves figuring out and proving the physics of the processes by which certain mechanisms will be built.

The process of invention and creativity with elmet of emotions requires dry and lifeless, monotonous work on structuring the work by which the project itself will move. without understanding the physics of processes - it is unreal. Otherwise - the device will be threatened with inoperability).

Dear Rakarsky, I was on your site. you have a lot of information. including formulas and theories. But hypotheses are the early stage of the project, but already the transition to the engineering. plane cannot be without the stage of physics of processes and proof of exactly the physical concept.  Therefore I see a sense, in presenting here my experiments - to consider experiments concerning physics of processes for understanding. and then already to build engineering hypotheses and implement them in life.

I have in some simple words already explained conceptually what can be done. What I explained also applies to the principle of the asynchronous machine, but I personally had to spend time to understand. why with the similarity of the principle the pendulum worked, and the asynchronous machine is not a superunique device.