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Offline Craigy

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Anyone made a Lutec?
« on: January 09, 2007, 06:52:11 PM »
Hi There,
I have downloaded and printed the patent 6630806, It seems very easy to reproduce, there being a lot of info in the patent. Has anyone tried to replicate this machine?

One the lutec site there is a video of one being tested that was built by someone not related to lutec. The principle is very simple, a bit of attraction to the electromagnet cores then a timed pulse, then back emf. Seems like an ideal candidate for replication.  I am surpprised this section is so quiet, is everyone over at Steorn, LOL

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Anyone made a Lutec?
« on: January 09, 2007, 06:52:11 PM »

Offline Craigy

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Re: Anyone made a Lutec?
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2007, 09:32:47 PM »
After reading all i can about this motor, it seems that few believe the figures.  I think its just another con..shame

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Re: Anyone made a Lutec?
« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2007, 07:15:53 PM »
Were did you downlaod the patent at?

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« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2007, 07:15:53 PM »
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Re: Anyone made a Lutec?
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Re: Anyone made a Lutec?
« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2007, 12:07:58 AM »
Hi Craigy,

Im not 100% sure but I believe the Lutec is/was based on the Adams motor principles? If your interested in building/developing/improving a pulsed design come and join our conversations over in the pulse forums. Theres an abundance of info there to sift through.

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Re: Anyone made a Lutec?
« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2007, 12:07:58 AM »
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Re: Anyone made a Lutec?
« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2007, 12:22:38 AM »
Hi Craigy,

Im not 100% sure but I believe the Lutec is/was based on the Adams motor principles? If your interested in building/developing/improving a pulsed design come and join our conversations over in the pulse forums. Theres an abundance of info there to sift through.

Shan


I BELIEVE I know what Lutec is doing, what they were alluding to in their recent letter: http://www.lutec.com.au/other/lutec0711.pdf

It is based on a paper I wrote, but showed only a few people, some of those being Lindemann, Bedini... The paper was about making Lenz's Law work FOR US. This is DEFINITELY one aspect of the Bedini system, and I can explain it in simple means, nothing obscure.

Oh by the way, this feature of making Lenz's Law for for us is also incorporated in the Kunel Patent: http://classes.engr.oregonstate.edu/eecs/fall2003/ece441/groups/g12/Research/Linear%20Generator%20Stuff/Linear_Generator_Patent.pdf

More on this later, out for dinner ;p

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Re: Anyone made a Lutec?
« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2007, 12:35:30 AM »
Yes, Peter Lindeman?s latest DVD Motor secrets seems to use it.
Highly recommended !

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Offline Ren

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Re: Anyone made a Lutec?
« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2007, 03:49:39 AM »
tao, Hoptoad generously wrote a lengthy article for the pulse motorists about his learnings/experiments in "bending lenz law" found on page 10 here http://www.totallyamped.net/adams/index.html

Is this perhaps the direction your refering to? Good reading for all if you're interested in pulsed dc arrangements.

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Re: Anyone made a Lutec?
« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2007, 06:21:06 AM »
tao, Hoptoad generously wrote a lengthy article for the pulse motorists about his learnings/experiments in "bending lenz law" found on page 10 here http://www.totallyamped.net/adams/index.html

Is this perhaps the direction your refering to? Good reading for all if you're interested in pulsed dc arrangements.


Phew, thanks for that article, I read the whole thing. He did a very good writeup. I noticed at the end he says this:
"The 64 million dollar question, is, Why and how does this effect occur??

That's hopefully where you might enlighten me! I have an "Opinion" as to how and why this occurs, but it is not strictly within the realms of current teaching, nor strictly outside of it. But for the time being I'll just keep my opinion to myself. But I have given you all the little pointers you need to exaggerate and see this effect for yourself, and know that Adams really did discover something useful and have something to offer, even if it wasn't really what he thought it was.

But hey, a really easy to make alternator, that outstrips conventional induction means of generation whilst using less iron and copper is something special isn't it ? Sure can help to save a lot of money all round. Wind generators would really benefit from this type of generating system. Now"bend" those power and bemf curves - yeh!

Happy experimenting to all !"


So, after reading his writeup, I feel certainly that he is using the EFFECT that I am talking about, but that his methods to 'exaggerate' this EFFECT are 'righteously convoluted' (because how is he or anyone else to know really WHY?) and make for seeing how and why this EFFECT occurs hard to notice/see...

I need to modify my little paper that I wrote, in fact, I want to rewrite it, make it more concise and very easy to read and understand (of which it kind of already was).

I would liken the effect to 'making Lenz's Law work for us' instead of thinking of it as 'bending Lenz's Law'.

The part where Hoptoad rewords Lenz's Law certainly fits his writeup in that it helps to understand the mysterious 'exaggeration of Lenz's Law' that Hoptoad is talking about, but in understanding the way I see the EFFECT and seeing how it works, Lenz's Law fits just nicely as it is, without modifications: "the magnetic field of any induced current opposes the change that induces it."

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Re: Anyone made a Lutec?
« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2007, 06:21:06 AM »
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Re: Anyone made a Lutec?
« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2007, 06:54:37 AM »

So, after reading his writeup, I feel certainly that he is using the EFFECT that I am talking about, but that his methods to 'exaggerate' this EFFECT are 'righteously convoluted' (because how is he or anyone else to know really WHY?) and make for seeing how and why this EFFECT occurs hard to notice/see...

The part where Hoptoad rewords Lenz's Law certainly fits his writeup in that it helps to understand the mysterious 'exaggeration of Lenz's Law' that Hoptoad is talking about, but in understanding the way I see the EFFECT and seeing how it works, Lenz's Law fits just nicely as it is, without modifications: "the magnetic field of any induced current opposes the change that induces it."........
@Tao
Greetings Tao, the reason I set up the experiment on page 10 the way I did, was to show you a way to reproduce a certain "effect" which occurs in the Adam's, Bedini, Lutec motor etc which all the Inventors of said motors claim is a result of their "special" pulsing technique, or "special" coil layout, but which actually has nothing to do with pulsing or special coils whatsoever.

Page 10 is not intended to explain why the anomoly occurs, but is meant to show you how to make it occur in a very obvious and undeniable way, so you can study it yourself. In this instance, I have deliberately shied away from the explanation as to to "why" so as not to prejudice the views of those who wish to experiment and study this anomoly themselves. In this way, if more information comes to light, it will be from some-one else's fresh viewpoint and not tainted in any way by my "beliefs" or experimental data.

As stated on page 10, I have an "opinion" about how the shift from "oppositional" to "neutral" reaction occurs within the pick-up coils, and will eventually air this opinion. But in the meantime, I am hoping that others will at least replicate the "effect" so that I have "peers" in this area to compare notes to.

As for Bending Lenz's Law, I'll stick by that statement, because according to Lenz's Law, every time the load is increased, the resultant extra coil current should oppose the movement of the inducing magnets and cause further slowing of the rotor, but in an open system, this is not entirely the case.

Sorry if the explanation got a little convoluted, but "self righteous"?  :D I wish I could take myself that seriously!  :D :D

Cheers from the Toad who Hops.

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Re: Anyone made a Lutec?
« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2007, 07:06:20 AM »

So, after reading his writeup, I feel certainly that he is using the EFFECT that I am talking about, but that his methods to 'exaggerate' this EFFECT are 'righteously convoluted' (because how is he or anyone else to know really WHY?) and make for seeing how and why this EFFECT occurs hard to notice/see...

The part where Hoptoad rewords Lenz's Law certainly fits his writeup in that it helps to understand the mysterious 'exaggeration of Lenz's Law' that Hoptoad is talking about, but in understanding the way I see the EFFECT and seeing how it works, Lenz's Law fits just nicely as it is, without modifications: "the magnetic field of any induced current opposes the change that induces it."........
@Tao
Greetings Tao, the reason I set up the experiment on page 10 the way I did, was to show you a way to reproduce a certain "effect" which occurs in the Adam's, Bedini, Lutec motor etc which all the Inventors of said motors claim is a result of their "special" pulsing technique, or "special" coil layout, but which actually has nothing to do with pulsing or special coils whatsoever.

Page 10 is not intended to explain why the anomoly occurs, but is meant to show you how to make it occur, so you can study it yourself. In this instance, I have deliberately shied away from the explanation as to to "why" so as not to prejudice the views of those who wish to experiment. In this way, if more information comes to light, it will be from a fresh viewpoint and not tainted in any way by my or any other persons "beliefs" or experimental data.

As stated on page 10, I have an "opinion" about how the shift from "oppositional" to "neutral" reaction occurs within the pick-up coils, and will eventually air this opinion. But in the meantime, I am hoping that others will at least replicate the "effect" so that I have "peers" in this area to compare notes to.

As for Bending Lenz's Law, I'll stick by that statement, because according to Lenz's Law, every time the load is increased, the resultant extra coil current should oppose the movement of the inducing magnets and cause further slowing of the rotor, but in an open system, this is not the case.

Sorry if the explanation got a little convoluted, but "self righteous"?  :D I wish I could take myself that seriously!  :D :D

Cheers from the Toad who Hops.


You did an awesome writeup Hoptoad, congrats man!

I didn't mean that you were 'self righteous' lol, sorry, I meant that you righteously and understandably didn't know exactly WHY the bending of the Lenz's Law was happening, because it isn't obvious at all.

I respect your idea of holding back any of your theories as of yet.

I will though, be explaining this EFFECT, explaining the WHY... WHY the Bedini/Lutec/Adams systems work the way they do, WHY and HOW this EFFECT works. So, I just wanted you to know that. So, you can compare what you thought about the WHY against my explanation.

:)

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Re: Anyone made a Lutec?
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Re: Anyone made a Lutec?
« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2007, 07:14:58 AM »
I will though, be explaining this EFFECT, explaining the WHY... WHY the Bedini/Lutec/Adams systems work the way they do, WHY and HOW this EFFECT works. So, I just wanted you to know that. So, you can compare what you thought about the WHY against my explanation.
:)
@ Tao.
Awesome, I Look forward to all and any information regarding this effect.

Cheers from the Toad who Hops.......KneeDeep  :D

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Re: Anyone made a Lutec?
« Reply #12 on: July 12, 2008, 08:57:40 AM »
Great Forum...
I'm new...
Experimenting with a couple of things but pulsed motors appeal to me most and I took special interest in the Lutec LEA because I'm pretty sure that's what it is - with one coil drive and others feeding back and generating output. (2 sets of contacts on top with alot of magnets on the rotor lead me to believe that it's being pulsed twice per rev.)
However, what caught my attention here was hoptoad's article and experiment. As I read it, there was something that clicked and I remembered this series of videos from a guy at Ottawa Univ.
(I think you will find this most interesting - at least I learned alot - and may confirm hoptoad's suspicions) at 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogLeKTlLy5E  (Parts 1 and 2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vX8Cxkrpqs (Part 3)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHJOwjQV1lw (another Part 3)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpIdu1lWVW0 (Part 4)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q18eSaiKMyc (Part 5)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WrzCRimtHc (Part 6)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wie2ZLWHUEk (Part 7)

Other videos by the same guy that you will like also...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaf9v0K-rZw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmFbINO0dCU (improved coil design)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CTH3Mzvt-U (demo skeptics group)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCvhxHh_ctE (Ottawa University - good summary of what the other videos detailed)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhPUlunwhPk (no narration but shows the HV coil accel)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaf9v0K-rZw

OK, sorry about all the video links but somebody might find something in here that helps alot.
Again, thanks for the forum - I've been reading for about a week or so and there are some pretty brilliant guys around here...
DW

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Re: Anyone made a Lutec?
« Reply #13 on: November 19, 2008, 04:28:01 AM »
heres a pic from the Lutec patent   i think im going to try  this one

theres the site i got it from    http://www.google.com/patents?id=gdgNAAAAEBAJ&dq=6630806

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Re: Anyone made a Lutec?
« Reply #14 on: December 06, 2008, 02:11:17 AM »
Don't bother. The Lutec is a hoax. The 'inventors' use the wrong measurement equipment which shows meaningless figures. I've had some detailed reports about the Lutec device and when applying the proper math to it, it turns out the efficiency is around 75% and not 200%.

And it is easy to explain: a magnet cannot output power. You will probably say that a magnet can hold things. However, without motion there is not power output. Now you will say that a magnet can move objects as well. True, but the energy required to pull the object towards the magnet is the same as the energy required to pull the objects away so the net result is still zero.

A magnet is like a catalyst in chemical reactions. It helps to make something work.

 

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