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Author Topic: The Forever battery (practically speaking)  (Read 3281 times)

Offline thx1138

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The Forever battery (practically speaking)
« on: September 05, 2021, 02:58:08 AM »

Floor

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Re: The Forever battery (practically speaking)
« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2021, 10:20:32 PM »
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1. People will have another trending piece of junk to tweet about.

2. Five years from now we can all have a nice collection of obsolete although still producing
electricity, radio active batteries.

3. Best of all, this is a neat way to shuffle around the disposal of some radio active waste.

Charge the nuclear industry (read tax payers)  for the disposal, then turn around and sell
it to the general population.

                                    Real no brainer here, real no brainer.

Leaking
and / or
the contacts corroded or worn away
and / or
improperly disposed of
and / or
no longer any need for such a style of battery

In 1 year, 5 years, 10 years, 20 years, 50 years, 100 years, 500 years,
1.000 years, 10,000 years, thousands of years later
                            they are still a radioactive hazard.

                                       28,000 years

                                          NO, tihs is
                                 permanently impractical

Offline thx1138

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Re: The Forever battery (practically speaking)
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2021, 06:38:41 PM »
It sounds like you are a strong proponent of the "linear no threshold" (LNT) philosophy of nuclear power usage that was developed in the early 1950's and has not been modified since. So I guess you don't fly in airplanes, get dental or surgical x-rays, and live and sleep underground.

Floor

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Re: The Forever battery (practically speaking)
« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2021, 07:32:04 PM »
quote author=thx1138 link=topic=18933.msg560699#msg560699 date=1633365521]
It sounds like you are a strong proponent of the "linear no threshold" (LNT) philosophy of nuclear power usage that was developed in the early 1950's and has not been modified since. So I guess you don't fly in airplanes, get dental or surgical x-rays, and live and sleep underground.
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@ thx1138

You sound like a pro nuclear industry kind of guy.  Sales man ?

Its not that I live underground or that sort of thing. In fact for a large portion of
my life, I have been fortunate enough to live outdoors.

Working professionally as a climber / arborist for more than 36 years,
wrestling logs while 20 feet or more, off the deck sometimes.
Leading people in out door activities.   i.e. ...camping out, wilderness guiding, rock climbing
instructing that sort of thing.  Wanna wrestle ?

But the idea of hunting or fishing in and near the back waters of Chernobyl has
never held much appeal for me.  Neither has snorkel fishing off the coast of Fukushima.

As I previously stated, I don't particularly care for your idea of nuclear waste disposal
via distribution and dilution. I think of it as abhorrent behavior to engage in such a thing.

Wanna go fishing ?  I know a couple of nice spots here in the U.S..  There might be
some uranium mining tailings upstream, but hey, just don't drink the water.
« Last Edit: October 04, 2021, 11:09:01 PM by Floor »

Offline sm0ky2

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Re: The Forever battery (practically speaking)
« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2021, 11:29:29 PM »
If we’re going to do THAT…..
Why not just salvage Americum from old smoke detectors

Floor

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Re: The Forever battery (practically speaking)
« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2021, 03:45:19 PM »
There has been no "solution" presented in this topic.

Offline pix

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Re: The Forever battery (practically speaking)
« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2021, 03:58:33 PM »
Microwatts.


Regards,
Pix


Offline Solhi

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Re: The Forever battery (practically speaking)
« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2021, 03:09:14 AM »
of course there is a solution, always have. Nicola Tesla did drive an electric car in 1920 without using any big battery packs. Batteries is so 1700 AC. It is just ignorance and greediness that creates all the waste the last 100 years.
Do not need nuclear, no batteries. Only the EMF radiation of all this electricity needs a solution.

Offline thx1138

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Re: The Forever battery (practically speaking)
« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2021, 06:55:18 PM »
quote author=thx1138 link=topic=18933.msg560699#msg560699 date=1633365521]
It sounds like you are a strong proponent of the "linear no threshold" (LNT) philosophy of nuclear power usage that was developed in the early 1950's and has not been modified since. So I guess you don't fly in airplanes, get dental or surgical x-rays, and live and sleep underground.


@ thx1138

You sound like a pro nuclear industry kind of guy.  Sales man ?

Its not that I live underground or that sort of thing. In fact for a large portion of
my life, I have been fortunate enough to live outdoors.

Working professionally as a climber / arborist for more than 36 years,
wrestling logs while 20 feet or more, off the deck sometimes.
Leading people in out door activities.   i.e. ...camping out, wilderness guiding, rock climbing
instructing that sort of thing.  Wanna wrestle ?

But the idea of hunting or fishing in and near the back waters of Chernobyl has
never held much appeal for me.  Neither has snorkel fishing off the coast of Fukushima.

As I previously stated, I don't particularly care for your idea of nuclear waste disposal
via distribution and dilution. I think of it as abhorrent behavior to engage in such a thing.

Wanna go fishing ?  I know a couple of nice spots here in the U.S..  There might be
some uranium mining tailings upstream, but hey, just don't drink the water.
The North American[/i] magazine had an article about the world running out of energy and what the preeminent scientists of the day were planning to do about it. Scientist A stated that the only source of energy available to man after the current sources were exhausted would be wind. Scientist B agreed with Scientist A. Scientist C said not to worry about it because the forests of South America contained enough fuel for fifty thousand years. Scientist D suggested that the sun would assist the wind in providing power. Scientist E believed that man would devise other methods to provide power to the world.
 Year: 1902
Scientist A: Lord Kelvin
Scientist B: Nicola Tesla
Scientist C: Thomas A. Edison
Scientist D: Professor Langly
Scientist E: Admiral Bradford
 Startling prediction
 Scientist E, Admiral Bradford, got it right. They were talking about coal. After coal the primary source became hydrocarbons. Today, 120 years later, both are still in use but the “scientists” of today are still harping on wind and sun.
 It’s interesting to note that the thing all of the problems you cite are a matter of scale. That’s because the people designing these monstrous systems all work on the notion that they can sell power to millions as long as they control the means of distributing that power (wind) or the equipment needed to make the power useful (solar). No one is interested in selling something that will provide long term power for a one-time sale. It’s recurring income that they are after.
 So 120 years later we are right back where we started. It’s absolutely amazing what we have accomplished in 120 years. Imagine what the world will look like 28,000 years from now. I’m guessing we might come up with solutions to the problems you cite in that amount of time.
 

Floor

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Re: The Forever battery (practically speaking)
« Reply #10 on: October 25, 2021, 11:40:04 PM »
Imagine what the world will look like 28,000 years from now. I’m guessing we might come up with solutions to the problems you cite in that amount of time.

                         sultus ?