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Author Topic: What Is A Pendulum Test?  (Read 750 times)

Offline Jerry Volland

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What Is A Pendulum Test?
« on: March 03, 2021, 07:53:11 PM »
I heard long ago that "The proof of an Inertia Prime Mover is that it will deflect a pendulum".  And I've seen a lot of guys on YouTube trying to prove that their device does just that.  Usually, it's with a laser spot staying on one side of a reference line, or mostly so.  But even if successful, their test should rightly be called "Deflecting a Plumb Bob".  A pendulum is something which swings back and forth; a thether which just hangs there vibrating is not a pendulum.


To my knowledge, no Inertial Reaction system has ever been tested with an actual pendulum.  So what constitutes a pendulum test is open for discussion.


It seems to me that a test unit should be fastened to the end of a pendulum, with the expected Reaction force directed perpendicular to the swing.  Then swing the pendulum and turn the device on momentarily at a high point of the swinging.  If it moves to the side, gravity can't pull it back towards it's original position, as it does with a plumb bob.  Instead, the pendulum's swing angle will be deflected, clearly showing that unidirectional movement has occurred.

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What Is A Pendulum Test?
« on: March 03, 2021, 07:53:11 PM »

Offline Paul-R

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Re: What Is A Pendulum Test?
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2021, 12:00:58 AM »



I may be wide of the mark but I remember a pendulum test differently. The idea would be to convert a rotary experimental prototype into an oscillating pendulum design. This may not be possible. Set the pendulum swinging. Then switch on the device. If the pendulum then swings to a higher position, the achieving of extra potential energy means that the extra energy achieved is easily confirmed and measured.


Offline Jerry Volland

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Re: What Is A Pendulum Test?
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2021, 04:43:31 AM »
The issue I see with this is that the machine would be moving in opposition to gravity.  This means a rotational system would slow down on the upswing, then speed up on the way back down.  Of course, this could be overcome by using a high torque motor, or a constant speed feedback circuit.  And this could over complicate the system, or even defeat the operation.  In my view, it's best to have the machine, and pendulum, deflect to the side, independent of gravity.

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Re: What Is A Pendulum Test?
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Offline Jerry Volland

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Re: What Is A Pendulum Test?
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2021, 12:17:34 PM »
The main goal is to ensure that if the device moves backwards, it isn't because of gravity.

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Re: What Is A Pendulum Test?
« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2021, 04:50:01 PM »
Jerry, you mean a setup like Foucault's pendulum that shows a perpendicular force? This would actually be a good test method, because an inertial engine should cause the pendulum to "scribble" in the sand more on one side than the other.

But what you were saying, Paul, about a rotating mass accelerating a pendulum, that's actually true.. or can be if it were tested. This youtuber Mykhaylo Balush showed that pendulum momentum is affected by a rotating flywheel here: https://youtu.be/CRPGvldgonU I think it would actually work if it was rotated in the right direction with the swing. But seems to me that there's only a transfer of energy when something is accelerating, or changing, like in electromagnetics a transformer only works when the B field is changing.

Maybe inertial drives fail because people are just rotating things at a steady speed instead of accelerating?

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Offline Jerry Volland

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Re: What Is A Pendulum Test?
« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2021, 07:20:54 PM »
That Foucault's pendulum is coupling with the Earth's rotation.  The swing angle gradually shifts 360 degrees over a 24 hour period, until it comes back to it's starting angle.  What I'm suggesting is like hitting the weight with a hammer and knocking it off to the side.  Gravity isn't going to pull the weight back, it's going to pull it down towards the bottom.  And this will deflect the pendulum's angle.  As long as the weight doesn't move back on it's own, due to internal reaction forces.


Hanging a flywheel on a tether will deflect the suspension angle, but only while the wheel is accelerating, speeding up or slowing down, producing torque.  (While the wheel speeds up, the tether will move in the direction the wheel is turning between it's center and the tie off point). A system which produces constant torque will maintain it's deflection, and this will fool a torsion pendulum.


I've seen some systems which might actually work, they just weren't using the right test to prove it.

 

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