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Author Topic: FREQUENCY TO ENERGY (METHOD 1)  (Read 9669 times)

piplin

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Re: FREQUENCY TO ENERGY (METHOD 1)
« Reply #15 on: February 28, 2021, 02:13:50 PM »
Quote from: Shorted on February 28, 2021, 10:20:04 AM
At normal operation every stage should divide the current along with the frequency. Voltage is easy to manipulate. But the voltage doubler is designed to sacrifice current to double the voltage.

Lets forget about the equation at a moment and think of a simple example..
A non electrical example of what the basic idea is:

Lets say you can hit a nail to the wood with the hammer with constant rate of hits and power.
(ignore gravity down forces - horizontal hammer movement)

1) We hit the first nail. for 10 seconds.
The frequency is 2 hits per second.
Each hit force equal lets say 4 newton.
So the total force spend for 10 seconds equals 80 newtons.

2) Now lets try another nail. We divide the frequency to 1 hit per second and double the
force to 8 newton and keep it for 10 seconds as well.
The total force spend again equals 80 newton.

At both examples the nail at the end has accepted the same amount of energy. It is a closed system.

This equation can be "somehow" valid if at least photons really exist. Do they? I am not convinced yet!
Hi Shorted.
The truth is that I tried to develop something mechanically but I realized that it was not viable. At least the way I thought of it.
I thought of making a series of mechanical pulses with a series of gears and using a flywheel as a voltage doubler to lower the frequency.
The point is that as the frequency decreases, pulses of greater force are achieved but at half the frequency, therefore the power is the same.

Now, I don't know if it could somehow be achieved electrically. The OP emphasizes in capacitor capacity, suggesting a low farad capacitor, but I hardly know electronics and don't know exactly why he suggests it.

I'll keep updating what's still left and post the other method.

Regards. ;)
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Shorted

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Re: FREQUENCY TO ENERGY (METHOD 1)
« Reply #16 on: February 28, 2021, 03:51:15 PM »
Hi Piplin, May I ask you, does the OP claim overunity by this technique ?
Can you contact him and ask him more info about his research ?  Did he actually build it and test it?  Or its just a concept based on this equation?

Thanks!
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piplin

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Re: FREQUENCY TO ENERGY (METHOD 1)
« Reply #17 on: February 28, 2021, 04:47:39 PM »
Quote from: Shorted on February 28, 2021, 03:51:15 PM
Hi Piplin, May I ask you, does the OP claim overunity by this technique ?
Can you contact him and ask him more info about his research ?  Did he actually build it and test it?  Or its just a concept based on this equation?

Thanks!
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It is impossible for me to contact him, but I am trying to do it with another person who was working on it, let's see.

The guy claims that he gets overunity, but at no time he shows a working prototype.
This man did a few threads explaining ideas and concepts about free energy quite interesting and complex, being aware that it was a forum of mystery and conspiracy, the subject of free energy was not the main topic, it was only a sub-forum, not having many people with deep knowledge.

One thing to keep in mind is that he never tried to sell anything, and he claimed that his only goal was to spread knowledge. His method consisted of explaining the concept and from there guide the people who were encouraged to develop it:

"Well, yes, this method has worked very well for me, but it is useless to write it here, the idea is that each one, each interested party develops it and verifies it, that is the idea and purpose we seek in this matter, we do not only seek to verify that works and assemble it but justify the theory solidly, we are not for pseudoscience.

Don't wait for someone else to assemble and check it, you can do it yourself. "
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Re: FREQUENCY TO ENERGY (METHOD 1)
« Reply #18 on: February 28, 2021, 06:20:57 PM »
Hi Piplin, you did good you post this idea  and I don't want to discourage anyone from building it! But the OP is suspicious!
Non posting it at a related forum is suspicious too.
It is not very difficult to build it and test it, so without prototype is even more suspicious.
He probably was looking for others to test his idea without arguments.
What makes you think that this will work electrically, when mechanically doesn't?
This idea doesn't open any window to any source of extra energy. As I said this is a closed system with its losses.
Think about it.. You just make less and bigger packs of energy bursts, rather than more and shorter packs of the energy bursts. But at the end of time, you will end with the same (or less) energy stretched or compressed.
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piplin

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Re: FREQUENCY TO ENERGY (METHOD 1)
« Reply #19 on: February 28, 2021, 07:45:02 PM »
Quote from: Shorted on February 28, 2021, 06:20:57 PM
Hi Piplin, you did good you post this idea  and I don't want to discourage anyone from building it! But the OP is suspicious!
Non posting it at a related forum is suspicious too.
It is not very difficult to build it and test it, so without prototype is even more suspicious.
He probably was looking for others to test his idea without arguments.
What makes you think that this will work electrically, when mechanically doesn't?
This idea doesn't open any window to any source of extra energy. As I said this is a closed system with its losses.
Think about it.. You just make less and bigger packs of energy bursts, rather than more and shorter packs of the energy bursts. But at the end of time, you will end with the same (or less) energy stretched or compressed.
Hello.
What gives me some hope is that on a mechanical level (that I know of) there is no such thing as a voltage doubler.
You would not get (to my knowledge) a waveform equal to the ones shown above. Since we would simply be concentrating the energy of a certain time (for example 1 second) in a smaller one (0.5 seconds), and the rest of the time without work (the remaining 0.5 seconds).

In a few minutes I will post the most conclusive development that was made.

Greetings
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piplin

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Re: FREQUENCY TO ENERGY (METHOD 1)
« Reply #20 on: February 28, 2021, 08:09:09 PM »
After a little study and assembling the first circuit, I already obtained the expected results, even though in this first stage I did not isolate the circuits, because it was an initial test and to see what it resulted in this first attempt, I attach the photos obtained.
Sorry about the photos, I did not have my camera in my workshop, but I will publish better photos once I carry out more tests with better results.

Circuit: here after seeing some configurations I put a 1 megaohm resistor to reach the OP without another resistance to ground, achieving a more defined pulse to separate the positive signal from the negative.

https://postimg.cc/QHB19PCd  (photo1)

In: Input signal 6Vpp at 200HZ

https://postimg.cc/Ppr8tV0h (photo2)

Out: Output signal 11 Vpp at 100 Hz

https://postimg.cc/m11kDvjx (photo3)

Beggining stage 2: here you can see how following the next stage it will be obtained around 20 Volt. At 50 Hz.

https://postimg.cc/mhKhqrZT (photo4)

There is a small loss as a result of cutting the wave, which will have to be investigated whether or not it can be solved, in order to have a signal as pure as possible.

Before continuing with more stages, we are going to try to isolate the stages and see the results, because without isolation I cannot measure the signals together, and also thinking in the future to use a single power source for everything, and see the possibility of re-feeding the circuit once the first stage has been refined.

I don't want to speculate anything, so my next energies will be to improve stage 1 before continuing.

Greetings to all.



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After a while without posting anything, since I have been studying this circuit for several weeks, I have achieved significant changes to the previous results, although I have not kept the current at all, at least it is almost 80% of the input , but for this I had to change the circuit, eliminating the input diode, since the mosfets act as such in the positive and negative half cycles, also instead of using 4 mosfets, I only used half of them and a transformer 1: 1, suggestion of the OP, whom I have spent weeks studying for its manual construction with recycled materials and that it reaches a good end, there are still many to be tested but little by little….

Regarding the input capacitor it went up in value and quite a lot, I am testing with values of the order between 1 micro and 100 micro, and according to the calculations the power went up considerably, but this I have to investigate and record it in the best possible way, but the factor of Power at the output influences a lot, so it must be taken into account if we want satisfactory results. At the exit of the first stage I have a resistive load of at least 100 kohm, little by little things are going as expected .. but even to give a definitive result there is still a lot to do .. once I have achieved certain results I will try with thermionic valves, since the wave signals that these produce are much cleaner than those of traditional transistors ... we'll see where we get.
I leave you the last graphs that are photographs of the circuit used and the voltage input and output captured with my oscilloscope.

Read the results of the rms values and frequencies used so that you have an idea but the wave signal is notably better than the previous one and the current rose a lot, I do not want to speculate but the first calculations give what the theory is describing, when I have time I will write down all the results and put a comparative table.

https://postimg.cc/rD0BH8m2 (photo 5)
https://postimg.cc/vgMCDfvG (photo 6)


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And this is all, after a few months the forum closed and no more was known about the conclusions of this man.
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Re: FREQUENCY TO ENERGY (METHOD 1)
« Reply #21 on: May 04, 2021, 07:38:20 PM »
Thank you very much for this very valuable info. This is the principal I first saw how the free energy worked.
I have a number of devices with huge amps and volts but too high frequencies to manage with the usual resistors and caps etc. The HF rides right through these without any freq change- have even gotten "negative resistance", (!)-  comparable to room temp fusion, where the voltage and amps actually go UP through a resistor.
My determination was the same as yours- to use switching to step down the freq which will up the power to levels that most fets or bjts would incinerate.
The one and only obstacle to getting usable power from these devices is either to reduce the freqs to usable in present day, or to remake motors and appliances that utilize the hf pdc directly. 
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piplin

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Re: FREQUENCY TO ENERGY (METHOD 1)
« Reply #22 on: June 20, 2021, 11:47:51 AM »
Hello.
How's it going? Did someone develop something?
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lancaIV

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Re: FREQUENCY TO ENERGY (METHOD 1)
« Reply #23 on: June 20, 2021, 02:19:28 PM »
By me f to e/-e not ,but to think


Photovoltaics uses the phenomenon that when photons of a certain frequency are absorbed in semiconductors, the energy excites electrons from the valence band into the conduction band and leaves holes in the valence band. The photovoltaic cell consists of a PN junction so that the electrons move to the N side and the holes move to the P side. When a circuit is formed between the two sides, electrical current flows and can be used to power a load.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exciton#:~:text=An%20exciton%20can%20form%20when,band%20into%20the%20conduction%20band.&text=However%2C%20the%20binding%20energy%20is,larger%20than%20a%20hydrogen%20atom.


 It is an electrically neutral quasiparticle that exists in insulators,semiconductors and some liquids.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quasiparticle

...... that can transport energy without transporting net electric charge.....


And by phonovoltaics ?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phonovoltaic

That is, it uses a p-n junction to separate the electrons and holes generated as valence electrons absorb optical phonons more energetic than the band gap, and then collects them in the metallic contacts for use in a circuit.

e=hf   layer above and below this process      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planck_constant

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier_generation_and_recombination

However, if an electron in the valence band acquires enough energy to reach the conduction band (as a result of interaction with other electrons, holes, photons, or the vibrating crystal lattice itself), it can flow freely among the nearly empty conduction band energy states. Furthermore, it will also leave behind a hole that can flow as current exactly like a physical charged particle.

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantenverschr%25C3%25A4nkung


quantum correlations  /classical physics correlations  : uncertainty !?


https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/piuz.201090007


In addition to the superposition of states, quantum mechanics also allows their entanglement. This applies to particles with rest mass such as electrons as well as massless photons. Two research teams recently succeeded in using entangled electrons in the form of Cooper pairs as a source of entangled electrons. This opens up new possibilities for fundamental experiments in quantum mechanics and could pave the way for quantum information on a chip.




related Cooper-pair : https://arxiv.org/ftp/cond-mat/papers/0510/0510279.pdf#:~:text=The%20Cooper%20pair%20is%20the,theory%20%5B1%2C2%5D.&text=The%20usual%20analysis%20in%20the,between%20plane%2Dwave%20electron%20states.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_superposition


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soliton


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerr_effect / https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barkhausen_effect


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain_wall_(magnetism)#Bloch_wall
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_domain


when becomes carbon "?-magnetic" !? Other non-magnetic elements stages transitition !?
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