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Author Topic: Acoustical feedback energy system  (Read 28104 times)

stivep

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Re: Acoustical feedback energy system
« Reply #135 on: April 24, 2023, 12:34:39 AM »
After deleting all nonsense  I'm responding to the valid concern.
Here's a claim that Tesla coil charges a DC capacitor wirelessly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiBsVx_S6uY
You didn't provide link to Tesla statement.
 1. Square shape  of curve is not DC as it is not constant. It has AC Leading and Falling edge. |-|_|-|_|-|_|-|_|-|_|-|
    https://www.electronics-tutorials.ws/waveforms/waveforms.html
    is-a-square-wave-still-considered-dc
2. In Tesla Coil  from video  you see Spark Gap here:  https://youtu.be/SiBsVx_S6uY?t=52 and that is AC.
     

3. Static electricity is here:             https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Static_electricity
    Electrostatic discharge is here:   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrostatic_discharge
The DC capacitor charges simply because Tesla coil creates a voltage gradient around it,

few facts:
4. A charged spherical capacitor kept in air do not loose charge because air  as dielectric is a "bad conductor" and increase in charge results in Corona Discharge.
Is it because the nucleus of air molecule repels the charge in sphere and after a limit the repulsion is less than the attraction by sphere leading to Corona Discharge.
Statement from link below :
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A single sphere is not a capacitor
is not valid for a Tesla  Coil  top capacitor.- Earth is the second plate of that capacitor.
and likely your own body is closer to serve  as  a second plate.
why-doesnt-charge-escape-from-capacitor

5. why capacitor needs to be shorted when not connected   Why terminals of high voltage capacitors must be shorted when they are not in use
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QbDPkkrhNA -I'm partially satisfied with that video.
    how capacitor gets charged if not connected  to anything at all  will be  more accurately explained when I have more time.
 Wesley
   
 

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Re: Acoustical feedback energy system
« Reply #136 on: April 24, 2023, 03:54:26 AM »
I do not care about weslie anymore, he seems to acts not in his own humanly interests. I'm not a person I was in 2008, I was younger and was lacking knowledge I have now. Stochastic aether is basically a mathematical necessity. Thinking otherwise is living in illusionary physical models.


Here's a schematic of a loudspeaker/transducer to consider. Note the "opposing EMF" and "controlled EMF" I've marked. I've tried to describe that in words, but maybe a schematic will be easier to grasp the idea where and how opposition happens.


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Re: Acoustical feedback energy system
« Reply #137 on: April 24, 2023, 10:34:41 PM »
aleks
Perhaps have a look at some theory.. put to empirical
testing !
https://overunity.com/3344/lords-of-the-ring-2/msg576946/#new


Giantkiller is a longtime open source contributor..
Nothing but gratitude and respect from me …

stivep

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Re: Acoustical feedback energy system
« Reply #138 on: April 24, 2023, 11:11:35 PM »
I do not care about weslie anymore, he seems to acts not in his own humanly interests.
Dear Alex human interest: is than divided to  , religious,  economic, national, personal  and so on  interest.
Russian, interest  caused Russian aggression  in Ukraine .
Tell me  what makes you better animal than me or any (vegetarian) chimpanzee, or pig  ?
can you?
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I'm not a person I was in 2008, I was younger and was lacking knowledge
Aleks in 2008 was often incorrect but who cares he was open - I don't expect anyone to be PhD.
 For me Aleks in 2008 had all values you are not manifesting now.
 - sparkling, intelligent, enlighten, cooperating and  interacting  at significantly valuable level.
   
I could  help such guy to emigrate to USA and start new life in free Western World as I did to few others.
    One from them former Russian Troll but gifted student. He explained me all that Troll structure very well.

   For me there are two absolutely different people. I can't believe that  someone could degrade, so much.
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I have now. Stochasticis basically a mathematical necessity.
Thinking otherwise is living in illusionary physical models.
What mathematical necessity you are talking about and how do you apply  to it?

aether doesn't exist, - no literature, no description, no properties, dead like some ~1500 Russian Terrorists per day, in Ukrainian soil - sometime less than that.
You can't even differentiate   between " physical model" and "model in physics."
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It is you living in " illusionary physical models" that don't exist.
You can create " illusionary physical model " of flying  pig speaking mandarin and,  try to prove that in reality this pig speaks Russian.
Independent replication- repeatability makes theoretical models, physical models, models in physics or devices valid.
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Here's a schematic of a loudspeaker/transducer to consider.
Note the "opposing EMF" and "controlled EMF" I've marked.
I've tried to describe that in words, but maybe a schematic will be easier to grasp
the idea where and how opposition happens.
Thank you for the  picture . Please now based on that picture  describe in words  the nature
of your concern /question/ comment/ statement.


I have no intention of hurting you aleks - it is healthy honesty that only looks brutal.- brutal-honesty
Thank you very much  aleks.
opinion expressed is my own
Wesley
« Last Edit: April 25, 2023, 01:26:00 AM by stivep »

stivep

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Re: Acoustical feedback energy system
« Reply #139 on: April 29, 2023, 06:44:26 PM »
Dear Alex I  found some time to respond, just because 
a question - is a challenge looking for statement, while statement states for an answer.
Wesley, you are at it again. Nobody needs your poor money.
Please concentrate at my  two lines answer below for a moment:
Not many people say NO to money, if they aren't required more than provide simple answer.
You didn't respond with the answer aleks and that is why you'll not get my $3000

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in regards to your link:
The frequency of the sinusoid must be carefully selected: at some frequency a “miracle” of electric energy feedback will happen.
//prior-art, published also here: https://vixra.org/abs/2012.0066 It cannot be patented.
an explanation and verification can be patented with no problem.- In free world but
in some other country of Thieves, Corruption, Bandits Terrorists and murderers of innocent Ukrainians it may look different.

Everything about A to B Energy transfer or Energy Extraction from Schumann Waveguide can be patented too if  prior art
explaining phenomena and processes differ presenting novelty not covered yet.
So you especially Russians can easily  strip me and my partner in science from rights to use technology that can in few minutes  shock Russia and/or
entire world economy causing  eventually  its collapse and in some long run - overpopulation, food shortage, and sort of man made apocalypse.

answer a straight question - what happens in the situation when generating speaker is OPPOSED by a soundwave of the same frequency? It's a simple question, but you won't find an answer with all your "modern physics".

we have link:  https://vixra.org/abs/2012.0066
The title  is: "Energy from Space: A schematic Aleksey Vaneev e-mail: aleksey.vaneev@gmail.com"
Name of our forum member  is aleks = Aleksey
The statement from that link states:
Few (e.g 2) speakers are facing each other. The distance from their centers of membranes is 108cm.
The speaker cones are 15cm off the floor.
Both of them (all of them) are powered  in phase by the same generator delivering sinusoidal wave.
Frequency of the sound wave is not specified. we assume  is  between 20Hz and 20kHz.
Aleks statement of the miracle :
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Abstract: this short note presents a schematic of a proposed acoustical feedback system that produces unexpected electrical energy feedback into the power grid.//3KW of power

All other questions of Alex are non related although he listed them together . 
I'm going to ask Aleks few Question so we can work together  to better understand
his concern, prior to  responding with  final conclusions.


opinion expressed is my own.
Wesley
« Last Edit: April 29, 2023, 09:55:46 PM by stivep »

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Re: Acoustical feedback energy system
« Reply #140 on: April 29, 2023, 06:58:49 PM »
I'm not looking for comments much, what I'm really looking for are experiments of similar nature - opposing loudspeakers. There's nothing to talk about ATM, because it seems I was among the first to test the thing and find out an interesting energetic effect it creates. In the recently posted image I've tried to pinpoint the source of the effect. But nobody gets the point it seems, because nobody has ventured into this. It's an electro-acoustical effect, it cannot be described just via knowledge of electrical schemes.


weslie, tell me where the energy of electrostatic field goes when Tesla coil (toroidal) capacitor discharges in vacuum as corona.


As for USA supremacy and its "rightfulness", USA is done. Energy business worldwide is likely done, too. Sticking to theory can be detrimental to understanding the state-of-the-art. I may not be good at teaching, but I'm pointing to things an educated person usually misses. Admittedly, electrical engineering is not where I'm master at, but I have great achievements in other fields.


By the way, overpopulation is a myth - developed countries struggle with aging population. Food shortages are caused by American oligarchs pretending to be rightful entrepreneurs, especially those who strive to patent everything. Nobody can patent a possible natural effect caused by the proposed opposition of speakers. You can patent an overengineered construct based on this, but not the ground truth, at least related to this effect. Energy business collapse is not due to this device, but more like from devices like Liberty Engine 2, because it already runs and is easy enough to replicate. Theory, beliefs, and american corporate/banker interests just do not allow you to believe it.

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Re: Acoustical feedback energy system
« Reply #141 on: April 29, 2023, 09:30:31 PM »
I'm really looking for are experiments of similar nature - opposing loudspeakers.
//and find out an interesting energetic effect it creates.
It's an electro-acoustical effect, it cannot be described just via knowledge of electrical schemes.
I do thank you for  your comment.
I'm like a computer - when  you try to perform  to many functions  at once,
you don't have expected  response due to rejection  of certain commands
 I will try to work with you  to get to  the bottom of it.
 

Can you tell me:
1. what was the frequency of the  sine wave you tested  your speakers with? 
2. I assume sound card was internally connected to motherboard port ISA, VESA,( till year 95) Windows
    or PCI  widows XP or or in time of your experiment  in year 2012 PCIe port (windows 7/8) of your computer right ?
3. This computer was powered  from 220V  single phase right?

Wesley
« Last Edit: April 30, 2023, 02:04:59 AM by stivep »

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Re: Acoustical feedback energy system
« Reply #142 on: April 29, 2023, 10:05:54 PM »
weslie, tell me where the energy of electrostatic field goes when Tesla coil (toroidal) capacitor discharges in vacuum as corona.

Explanation for  an average reader:
 Tesla coil is a type of resonant transformer.
 “loosely” coupled, with the primary and secondary typically sharing only 10-20% of their respective magnetic fields and instead the coil transfers energy (via loose coupling)
from one oscillating resonant circuit (the primary) to the other (the secondary) over a number of RF cycles.
Tesla coil can transfer over 85% of the energy initially stored in the primary capacitor to the secondary circuit.
Thus the voltage gain of a disruptive Tesla coil can be significantly greater than a conventional transformer,
 because of the large gap between the primary and secondary that loose coupling makes possible, the insulation between the two is far less likely to break down,
and this permits coils to run extremely high voltages without damage.
 Large Tesla coil often operates at very high peak power levels, up to many megawatts (millions of watts).
Tesla coil discharges are formed as a result of displacement currents as pulses of electrical charge are rapidly transferred between the high voltage toroid
and nearby regions within the air (called space charge regions).

more of it is here: https://www.ukessays.com/essays/engineering/structure-and-applications-of-tesla-coil-engineering-essay.php
A.
Now explanation from me:
Air is dielectric it stores the charge
when a dielectric is inserted in a charged capacitor
connected to a power supply), the electric field would be
decreased and so would the voltage 


B.
When a dielectric is inserted into a charged capacitor, the
dielectric is polarized by the field. The electric field from the
dielectric will partially cancel the electric field from the charge
on the capacitor plates. If the capacitor is connected to a
battery at the time, the battery is able to store more charge in
the capacitor, bringing the field back to its original value.
So by that: Tesla coil  top  electrode called "Top Capacitor"
(+) is only  one plate where second plate of that capacitor  is  the Earth.(-)
The voltage difference  in vertical space between  Earth and Ionosphere is around 100V per meter . So at the head  of 2m tool guy
the voltage potential is  ~200V 
(+)
Because Air acts as dielectric between the plates  than we have  always connected in parallel capacitor to these two plates of Tesla coil.
Potential difference  between your foot and   your head   is  0V although you may think it should be around 200V because it is shorted by  your body walking
on the earth and you are becoming part of the ground , like  hill or mountain is .
The same story is with Tesla coil that is grounded on one side .
However
when we deliver energy to secondary of Tesla Coil we create  that potential difference .
 and       
when we charge energy on some carpet it can spark from your hand when you touching  ground or  other uncharged person body 
That what is explained  above is  just shrink  condensed  explanation that may create even more questions.
like : What Is Dielectric?
         What Is Dielectric Constant of air ? ( the breakdown of air is  around 3kV/mm = 30kV/cm) depends of condition of the air.)         
         Electric field lines-Properties         
         Dielectric Polarization in Polar and Nonpolar Material
         Effect of Dielectric on Capacitance
         Dielectric Material And Dipole Moment
https://byjus.com/physics/dielectric-constant/   unfortunately, it looks like this link doesn't open in Europe and may not open in Russian Federation that  miraculously still didn't
disintegrate yet like  the former Soviet Union.


opinion expressed is my own

Wesley
« Last Edit: April 30, 2023, 02:20:25 AM by stivep »

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Re: Acoustical feedback energy system
« Reply #143 on: April 29, 2023, 10:06:09 PM »
As for USA supremacy and its "rightfulness", USA is done. Energy business worldwide is likely done, too.
I do appreciate  your opinion in this comment  Aleks very much
Here is my view on  the subject: Technology allows to make money.
Money  allows more technology including  armory just to make more money.
Taxes  pushes us to invest in business -that allows us to  avoid taxes and that creates work for American workers who pays most of the taxes.
Americans need to  keep up with education to compete with  demanding  skills profession.
Chinese occupies ~70% of our  universities as if they didn't have their own, and we are  their  products  market.
That is why some countries are in deep sh*t and China (using sort of "slave" workmanship)  is not  helping Russia's  military.
They don't want to make us the rulers of the world  unhappy.
Russia  is a loser as it disobeys our rules. In a "quiet" day ~650 casualties going to ~ 1,200 to 1,500 casualties a day in Ukraine
of all professions specialists,and another 1500 wounded .
That makes ~3000 of Russians per day = ~90 000 per month, of actively excluded from ability to work, get married, become fathers.( last year it was 1/4th of that)
Capitalism works  and Russia since 1917 is going down  rejecting  it,
It is the answer to the question : why we the Americans/Canadians and EU and Australia and Japan are the sanction makers and Russia is
suffering from these sanctions.
USA, Germany and England are the "kings" of the world.
Historically, Polish are seen as the most bitter to Russians in the entire world, often irritated just by the sound of their language or music.


I hope it helps.
opinion expressed is my own
Wesley
« Last Edit: April 30, 2023, 04:29:34 AM by stivep »

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Re: Acoustical feedback energy system
« Reply #144 on: April 30, 2023, 04:28:53 AM »
Can you tell me:
1. what was the frequency of the  sine wave you tested  your speakers with? 
2. I assume sound card was internally connected to motherboard port ISA, VESA,( till year 95) Windows
    or PCI  widows XP or or in time of your experiment  in year 2012 PCIe port (windows 7/8) of your computer right ?
3. This computer was powered  from 220V  single phase right?
The frequency was between 20 and 20kHz, as you noted. It was a long time ago, and I didn't take notes at the time. It may have been a harmonic multiple, so many matching frequencies are possible. I've swept through the whole spectrum and at some point achieved the effect.
The sound card is a usual "on board" soundcard, not a discrete soundcard. The wiring of the soundcard and loudspeakers was very loose - I've just twisted the wires.
The computer was connected to the same municipal 220V power grid as the loudspeakers, but not via the same tee.


On Tesla coil, you are again talking about "air as dielectric". I've pointed out that discharge happens in vacuum. So your explanation is a miss if you assume that Tesla coil toroidal capacitor and Earth are opposing ends. There's no connection to Earth yet the discharge happens - where does the energy flow for the discharge to happen? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdRz3GBR_Qs&t=108s

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« Reply #145 on: April 30, 2023, 04:52:07 AM »
The frequency was between 20 and 20kHz, as you noted. It was a long time ago, and I didn't take notes at the time. It may have been a harmonic multiple, so many matching frequencies are possible. I've swept through the whole spectrum and at some point achieved the effect.
The sound card is a usual "on board" soundcard, not a discrete soundcard. The wiring of the soundcard and loudspeakers was very loose - I've just twisted the wires.
The computer was connected to the same municipal 220V power grid as the loudspeakers, but not via the same tee.
It would be good if you present the drawing.
I understood that  sound card is mounted inside of computer.
Is the sound card acting as preamplifier  where its output is connected to the amplifier  and than to the speakers  ?
or the sound card  has enough of power to drive  speakers?

PS: I will respond to Tesla Coil  is separate  response.
Wesley

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« Reply #146 on: April 30, 2023, 05:07:22 AM »
It would be good if you present the drawing.
I understood that  sound card is mounted inside of computer.
Is the sound card acting as preamplifier  where its output is connected to the amplifier  and than to the speakers  ?
or the sound card  has enough of power to drive  speakers?
Computer soundcards never have preamplifiers nor amplifiers, they produce a standardized -1..1V output out of digital PCM data. The amplifiers were in the speakers, all 6 are independent of each other. I do not see a need to present a drawing. Just assume that the "sinewave oscillator" is -1..1V output of a usual "onboard" soundcard.

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« Reply #147 on: April 30, 2023, 05:13:26 AM »
Computer soundcards never have preamplifiers nor amplifiers, they produce a standardized -1..1V output out of digital PCM data.
Actually I disagree.
You were talking  about year 2011 experiment in Russia where plenty of people still were using XP based computers.
The output from analog sound card was acting as preamplifier to  amplified  speakers. There was no digital  or optical output  in these cards yet.
What  is the model number and the manufacturer of these amplified speakers ?
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Ok so  speakers were  amplified.
Are you talking about this configuration shown below  or
speakers were connected  to left and right channel?
Wesley

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« Reply #148 on: April 30, 2023, 05:46:16 AM »
The output from analog sound card was acting as preamplifier to  amplified  speakers.



Well, analog sound cards are *DA converters*, they are not classified as preamplifiers as they have no prior analog signal they are amplifying.


What  is the model number and the manufacturer of these amplified speakers ?



I do not remember. They were cheap plastic case single-port 10W loudspeakers. The configuration you've presented is close except I've loosely wired all 6 speakers to the same "speaker out" of a soundcard.

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« Reply #149 on: April 30, 2023, 06:15:31 AM »
Note that computer speakers have stereo inputs. IIRC I've simply twisted them so instead of stereo they became mono inputs. I do not remember how I twisted them, but cutting and exposing the original wires wasn't hard, what's more important this worked and all speakers reproduced the same sinewave signal.


Also about patents and whatnot, I do not care about making money out of this, or making money out of proving unprovable things. If the scheme works and produces "energy from space" (or collapsing electrons), that will be enough to ruin the existing corrupt "world order" - and I would pay trillions for that kind of thing, if I had that kind of money myself. I myself bet on Liberty Engine 2 alike systems, because they are easily reproducible by experienced electrical engineers. It is such a blessing that "perpetual motion" machines are not patentable worldwide, which means nobody can stop anyone from producing such devices.