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Offline HopeForHumanity

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2490 on: September 16, 2007, 09:46:12 PM »
Looks like the videos are processing....

The lurker waits! 8)

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Re: Lords of the Ring
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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2491 on: September 17, 2007, 12:03:23 AM »
btentzer sorry there isn't a schematic. No one knows for sure till its working at this time only an experimenters frame work which might open new possibles and i have already outlined this in my recent posts and sketches. Basically you need to make a big enough tpu to work comfortably inside the loop. You need precision frequency generators, very high slew quality op amps with DC to 1 Meg+ mosfet audio amp for sine wave work.   I strongly suggest you make a 2 collector tpu with 6 control coils ie 3 for each, 2 baluns pre wound with 3 windings of 50 turns each per balun ready for testing all combinations. This will be how i would proceed and everything else is test and learn and record wiring configs of control coils etc.  The first stage is find strange heating effects or large spectacular waveforms showing up on the scope when at least 3 control coils are injected. Then try 6 controls over 2 collectors and see what happens. Try adding diodes to each, changing the collector capacitor etc its all trial an error. Eventually there will be power if this has any chance of working. When there is power then work out how to configue the balun to inject a portion of the power back into the loop. Change windings, cross them twist a bit, add caps, diodes etc to see if it needs to be siphoned off. Once we get feedback from a coil already showing powerful signals then overunity should come next but there is still many weeks/months work to do yet.

So in the meantime tubes is rather like asking me to make a Linux version when i don't even have an idea of the windows version yet and its been some years since i touched EL84's EL80's and EZ80's tubes etc. but i have to agree tubes are nice IF your used to working with them and have plenty of experience  which probably makes you least 45+ years old. For younger people then i see no advantage as the finished TPU is going to be SD's anyway so you might as well get used to each quirks.

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2492 on: September 17, 2007, 12:47:51 AM »
and where is this "power" coming from again?

Why would SM have two baluns in a three-collector ring?  Perhaps two baluns equals four control coils.

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2492 on: September 17, 2007, 12:47:51 AM »
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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2493 on: September 17, 2007, 01:12:58 AM »
you KNOW where this power comes from;)

I don't know if there are any 3 collector rings. I haven't seen any evidence of that yet. All the early models are 1 collector 1 balum, Later models are 2 balun 2 collector including 800 volt tpu.  All the extra collectors do is very simple

1) Add more current capability by placing them in parallel.

2) Add more voltage when in series.

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2494 on: September 17, 2007, 04:07:09 AM »
Stop the damn half-cocked BS until you at least read SM's letters to Mannix. 

SM said three collectors!!!  NOT TWO!!!

If you don't see anything with one, don't bother going to three.

How do you know those "balluns" are just toroidal transformers stepping up voltage.

As for where to power comes from - it was concluded about 2 years ago that SM was not positively sure that it came from the earth's magnetic field.  If the TPU was a device after the work of Tesla's RE, then SM would know that it was RE being utilized.  If the devices were using the Schumann Resonance's then SM would know that too.

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Re: Lords of the Ring
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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2495 on: September 17, 2007, 04:19:38 AM »
I don't know if there are any 3 collector rings. I haven't seen any evidence of that yet.
In the one that got cutted, i can clearly see 3 on top.
For the buttom, i can say i am 100% sure, but i guess there are 3 too.
Colors differences for both area look about the same size.

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2496 on: September 17, 2007, 04:41:40 AM »
there are clearly 2 diffrent modles this is the big modle or the 15/17 models they will be easyer to understand than the smaller ones on the smaller ones our balumes are top and bottom as i currently think yes 3 collectors but 2 are for self powering propouses the center one is for out put

in this model when we strike the right cord inside our controls they produce high speed ripples that push aginst mother nature and when she pushes back we trap it and recycle some of it back through the ring this is how i see it

i found a 4 ohm 2 w sterio amp inside a set of computer speekers i will try to use it to send my 3 freqs into my balium  i wound it 50 turns input and 50turns output  and almost finished my 4" unit but it is too small i can only get 50 turn controls i used 22 ga it was all i could find

a pic l8r when i finish it

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2497 on: September 17, 2007, 04:56:30 AM »
there are clearly 2 diffrent modles...
I would not be so sure about this.
how thick would be 3 turns of a single lead of lamp wire when the insulation is replace with electrical tape ?

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2498 on: September 17, 2007, 05:12:12 AM »
I posted the video to show the phase matching that happens at resonant distances.This can happen in audio or any other frequency levels. We know that. Sound, liquids, materials, magnetic, gravity, light. You name it. Thump steel and it crumbles. Use sound to resonate glass and it shatters. So I could then switch my output device from an acoustic transmitter to a magnetic transmitter. Digitally, I REPEAT, digitally control the wave output. At least with Audio I can hear the output and know the transmission speed. With the magnetic transmission I don't know squat. And I'm sitting in the field? I don't light up my life any more. So I thought I would experiment with the audio first to debug the operation. Thank you, Bolt. A refreshing stroke of genius. I could have used a radio too. Thank you, Mannix. But the amazing thing is to be in the field and move the microphone in and out from the center. I did not get hurt. Try that with magnetics!
So today I achieved the steps that were outlined by Bolt. And not only that but a far better understanding of the rogue waves. And it only took a week. I consider that pretty good stats for being the only one on the planet doing this. RFC.
So now I have a very good handle on wave production. I could simply take a microphone patched to a protoboard and see on the scope what amplitude shows up at what distances. Pretty obvious. But I can take that signal and route it back into the xr2206 sig gens for a physical space VCO. I can build this whole thing testing with audio safely. And then switch over to magnetic transmission. We can iron out the number of devices later. Right now I am guaranteed the number of stages. We have come very far in the last 3 weeks. So I choose not to bite the hand that feeds me for I received more than just crumbs but whole loaves and for that I can't embellish enough thanks.
It is all very safe and that is more than I can say about the previous experiments where all the builders have blown themselves up.

Cheers are in order, my friends.

http://www.bose.com/controller;jsessionid=BCkD1DhZ9F10CkvXLQj8zU3s7uN5vIP1oCbk8sJMlT8SKvB2oXVg!643527820!-1915396732?event=VIEW_STATIC_PAGE_EVENT&url=/musicians/index.jsp&linksource=centernav_img_musicians&pageName=/index_2.jsp

--giantkiller. I march on...

OBTW: It is not the circular pathway of the circumference length. But the radial distance where the coppers lies at the resonant distance. Any size coil will work. We are merely catching the rogue wave! Surfs up, dudes. Whooohoo! I posted this over a year ago. What a long strange trip it's been. There's your TPU operation.
« Last Edit: September 17, 2007, 06:13:34 AM by giantkiller »

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2498 on: September 17, 2007, 05:12:12 AM »
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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2499 on: September 17, 2007, 05:32:25 AM »
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"About the collector:  It is three separate coils of multi strand copper wire laid one on top of the other, not
interleaved."

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As my memory tells me, I originally used three old tube type frequency generators coupled to tube amplifiers It was using this apparatus that enabled me to first strike those magical tones.

Higher frequencies are actually the real catalyst...
Each segment could be fed a different frequency individually and or from a collector section to help perpetuate the oscillation and control.
Start them up one at a time each.
First frequency, then second harmonic component into the second, then the third.  When you eventually strike the cord look out.  You will know what has happened at that point.  In the mean time you can measure a slight output even if you do not strike the exact cord.  Larger collectors have a much greater ability to collect and dissipate more energy then the smaller ones. However, if they turn into a bomb it will not make much difference.  There is no such thing as a small lightning strike
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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2500 on: September 17, 2007, 06:03:49 AM »
Putting the 3rd freq in is Sooooooooo obvious now. I will build the 3rd freq gen and put it into another Bose channel. It will cause no damage to the Bose because the impact will be at a radial distance and not the center! OMG! And that is why the center works. Simply elegant.

The fun is getting better.

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Re: Lords of the Ring
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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2501 on: September 17, 2007, 06:26:06 AM »
almost done here is the pic just have to wire up the controls

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tell me if it is wrong so i know anyone??

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2502 on: September 17, 2007, 06:35:07 AM »
almost done here is the pic just have to wire up the controls

is

tell me if it is wrong so i know anyone??

Very impressive. Apply the sine waves and lets see what you got going there. In the first attempt the balun is the pickup. The object is to drive the resonant fields to meet at the center. The compression will give higher power value. That is one way to do it. You should try to drive it from the center and see what appears on the outer ring.

Be careful.

--giantkiller. I just love what you've done with those cable ties.

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2503 on: September 17, 2007, 07:00:37 AM »
cable ties quick n dirty  i love it

well i guess i need a diode on the input from my amped  3 freqs  well maby even 2 diodes both going the same way and we need to bleed off the cap with a resistor back into the input no? and some oput put leads   ;D

since my collector wire was 13'1" i know its freq is 7.5 right so 2  freqs left and some more wireing


hummmm....  tomorrow ;)

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2504 on: September 17, 2007, 12:14:15 PM »
IS nice looking coil i think your cap is much too big use 0.1uf film cap or poly non polarized its hanging on the collector loop and will be subjected to extreme stresses and electrolytic may explode.

GK excellent work i think your doing the things about purity to understand how this works that SM suggested over a year ago.

Grumpy stop being so grumpy. If you think it needs one 2 or 3 then do it on your design but im telling you in MY opinion ONE collector ONE balun to mix. Incidentally until such time there is the correct feedback loop done on the TPU i see the risk as low because it cant run out of control with the sine power going in. However the effects of the forced feeding should still be seen. Not to say even this testing could suddenly give such a massive kick you will know!

Once this is looped around the ballun and fed back to the input then and only then does this turn into a serious hazard but in any all cases collector fuses are the absolute minimal to prevent the entire thing suddenly shrinking then pouring with smoke and flames before you even get chance to lean over and turn off the PSU.
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