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Offline Grumpy

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2415 on: September 13, 2007, 11:49:01 PM »
My take on the cannonball analogy does not have BEMF - the field never relaxes.

You start the controls and the RMF start to form, and you keep speeding up the signal (increasing frequency).  this is much the same as an endless train if unidirectional impulse - like Tesla used - except we are working with a circle, so it goes round and round - faster and faster - stronger and stronger.

I suppose, theoreticall, that by adding frequencies over and over (or mixing and going higher and higher - always at a harmonic of resonance so as to maintain resonance) you could reach extremely high frequencies.  (Eventually, something will have to give.)

The center of the ring - like the eye of a tornado is quiet.  The outside, for a fair distance is very noisy.  Hence control are placed in the quiet center.  The toroidal overwrap may offer some degree of shielding and field containment permitting the ring to be used around convetnional devices without too much interference.


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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2416 on: September 13, 2007, 11:59:10 PM »
There is no fancy stuff on SM's PCB. He mentioned somewhere it was discrete components and helped if they were mounted 1/2'' of the board. Thats sounds to me like RF breadboarding. I wouldn't be surprised if some it was blobbed on to plain copper PCB for the oscillators and the PLL was a bit of Vero board taped up and squashed on top:) When you build your oscillators and they run stable all thats left is working out what control wires do what. At this point in time we should have least had at least one coil melt down to show good willing!

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2417 on: September 14, 2007, 12:21:41 AM »
Could it be that the toroids in the center of the 15" TPU compose a toroidal balun mixer?  Let's see, two toroids, two caps, diodes hiding somewhere...something on those caps

How quaint.

summary:

RMF.  Increase speed by looping mixer output back to input.  Collector better provide enough to get it going...

If frequencies get too far off, they don't mix right and you lose resonance...round and round down the toilet...

Almost two freakin' years to see it is just a magnetic vortex, a freakin mixer, wire and tape...jeeeez!

EDIT:

« Last Edit: September 14, 2007, 12:44:07 AM by Grumpy »

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Re: Lords of the Ring
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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2418 on: September 14, 2007, 12:48:12 AM »
Gentlemen,
I would to thank you all for posting this here. I have an adequate set of parts coming in the mail to create a very controlled test platform.
The real fun should start now. And the weekend is upon us.

--giantkiller. Permantly in awe.

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2419 on: September 14, 2007, 12:53:49 AM »
I'm still dumbfounded by the freakin' mixer, eddy currents, and RMF.

Even if SM does not keep injecting the output of the mixer back to the input infinetly, it still looks like a mixer and would allow multiplication of the frequency.  Judging by the size of those caps - not extremely high freq.

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2420 on: September 14, 2007, 01:01:52 AM »
Grumpy as i said yesterday im 99% sure they are balun mixers. You can even see the signal injection side has about 50 turns of thin copper wire and the secondary is part of the collector goes through it just once as this is the low impedance side. The wire is glued in place to stop it moving.  At the bottom of the control box are large white film caps which are the LC's to form the tank. There are two one for each coil and they are mixed the same these C's terminate each side of the control but connect to the main collector coils the wire is thicker.  On the ends of the box are black 1 watt resistor poking out these will be like source load resistors to dump some heat so the oscillators do get rather hot. If they are power mosfets there could be lots of amps involved. The control box is rather odd it doesn't look purpose made rather like a recycled thing with brackets and bits sticking. The big caps added later outside look like a bodge job to me and looks rather like my door bell box LOL

In addition in the big tpu there is little feedback control wiring going on certainly not 9  controls as seen with some tpu on here.

I have to believe that the regen receiver is very valid alternative. In addition we could even do away with the PLL by using a simple VCO.  The VCO is loosely centered around 7.5 hz and the VCO could then be controlled by simply witnessing what happens at the voltage output of the device.  Simply if its in tune then power is coming out. Notice also the large tpu has a pot next to the 2 osc switches. This may adjust the VCO or feedback loop so he can tune it in. The drawback of the regen is making the 7.5 osc needs a high Q inductor and massive caps. It will lose the sinewave purity and then we have no phase control. For stability its always much better to start high and divide down.

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2421 on: September 14, 2007, 01:41:08 AM »
I don't recall "balun mixer" or any variation of it being posted before today.  I do recall that "mixer" has been suggested several times over the last year+.

Could be anything in the underside of that box/heatsink looking thing.

I would not place too much value in the 7.5 Hz thing.  Go back a page or two and get that PDF of SM's letter's that I posted.


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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2422 on: September 14, 2007, 01:57:00 AM »
I found a great site about schuman frequencies, this link has receiver circuits, unsure if this is useful or not:

http://electricterra.com/ulf_schematics.htm

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2423 on: September 14, 2007, 02:26:03 AM »
@ bolt

Why don't you put together a diagram for us, it's hard to follow text descriptions.  It sounds like you're very sure and just about ready to break out the soldering iron  LOL :)  

@ marco

I like the previous 3 harmonic signal simulations too.  I think that's closer to the truth.  The sims I just posted here are just for educational purposes  :)      

You know what my take is on the cannon story:  SM is trying to tell us that energy increases IF IT BUILDS UPON ITSELF.   The electrical analogy is  RESONANCE.   A signal comes around and we add to it IN PHASE, and the energy builds up. 

Now, he could also be telling us the 3 is important as well.  However, how we build resonance physically speaking, can have many forms and shapes.  In the TPU I am almost 100% sure it is longitudinal standing waves, else we could do it with a stick and have a TESLA coil.   But in a circular scenario the infinite "properties" of a CIRCLE come into play.  Round and round we go.  :)

@ Grumpy
Are you having fun now  LOL :)   Looks like you're creative mind is spinning again, and that's good.

@ all

We are revolving closer and closer to the truth.  It's good to have different angles.   You see, when we consider the implications of a theory, and how it relates to the SM clues (letters and video) we can hone in on the right theory.  I've been meaning to put together a matrix of the theories and the clues.   then in the center make notes on how that clue supports or rejects that particular theory.  I think that would be a grand project but very involved.   I've been trying to help out with simulations and theory as much as I can but it's taxing my energies.  Maybe somebody else can take on this project.

EM


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Re: Lords of the Ring
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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2424 on: September 14, 2007, 02:32:29 AM »
EM,
     Might I suggest a visual mind map as a better form of documentation:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind_Mapping

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2425 on: September 14, 2007, 02:39:15 AM »
good stuff guys


you will make it sing now


time to build a few of my own coils  ;)  i aint talking tpu's eather ;D

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Re: Lords of the Ring
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« Reply #2426 on: September 14, 2007, 02:41:01 AM »
Ok guys, here's another concept that I mentioned before and it's very closely related to the mixer idea.

Directional Couplers

You see, when you introduce a signal in a circular track, it goes BOTH WAYS.  Clockwise and couter clockwise.

The interference it produces is not rotational (unless signal speeds vary CW compared to CCW) but just standing wave.

Well, with a DIRECTIONAL COUPLER,  you can send the pulse ONE DIRECTION ONLY.


Now you can realy building up a true ONE WAY TRAVELING wave, and if you pick the wavelength just right you can also get resonant build up, and then this wave will pass by and induce lots of energy, because it travels very very fast.

Here's a circuit for an RF Directional Coupler. (from http://michaelgellis.tripod.com/direct.html  )

And how to use it.

EM

P.S.  Note the two transformers are 1:1 just like in the large TPU  :)  Is that what SM is doing?
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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2427 on: September 14, 2007, 02:58:43 AM »
@all

This website is a bit far out but many things we have talked about feature, so there are probably some useful ideas. Worth a good look around but here is the index of one particularly interesting document:

PROLOGUE: IS CURRENT SCIENCE INCOMPLETE?
CHAPTER 01: INTRODUCTION
CHAPTER 02: THE AETHER IS PURE, CONSCIOUS ONENESS
CHAPTER 03: THE COSMIC CONTEXT
CHAPTER 04: HARNESSING THE CONSCIOUS AETHER WITH GRAVITY AND INERTIA
CHAPTER 05: AETHER, ELECTROMAGNETISM AND FREE ENERGY
CHAPTER 06: GRAVITY, MAGNETISM AND ROTATION - THE MISSING LINK
CHAPTER 07: THE AETHER AS SPHERICAL LIGHT AND SOUND
CHAPTER 08: KEELY AND THE PHYSICS OF VIBRATION
CHAPTER 09: VORTEXES, PROPULSION AND MATTER CHANGES
CHAPTER 10: VORTEX SHIFTS OF TIME AND DIMENSIONAL LEVELS
CHAPTER 11: PROPERTIES OF THE EARTH AS A CONSCIOUSNESS UNIT
CHAPTER 12: ET WISDOM: PLANETS AS CONSCIOUSNESS UNIT FORMATIONS
CHAPTER 13: ET WISDOM: GEOMETRY, VIBRATION AND HIGHER DIMENSIONS
CHAPTER 14: VEDIC YOGA, SETH AND MULTIDIMENSIONAL COSMOLOGY

Some good stuff in here:

http://www.divinecosmos.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=category&sectionid=6&id=19&Itemid=36

Acerzw, food for thought

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2428 on: September 14, 2007, 02:59:46 AM »
Think about the simplicity of the 1st control unit. 2 or 3 coils and tiny toroidal  balun sat on top. We are going back 15 years now to when that was made even though it was demonstrated in 97 so 92 electronics much of which was still discrete and as a working prototype almost guaranteed. There is certainly not much room in there to do more then very basic oscillation and feedback and i think it unlikely there is anything as complex as a Xtal in these devices. To me they appear to be free running. If this is true then any controlling or feedback must come from those frequencies and circuits that are already providing the basic oscillations. If harmonics are involved then they can be seen and tried later. Its very unlikely anything is switched. Switching causes spikes and spikes are nasty. The combination of taps and feedback will create the parasitic oscillations.  There could be a radio subset IC inside or PLL VCO but im very sure thats the lot.

So the first step is to get one tuned very close to the mag wave till currents and heat build up in the loop or start popping fuses. No one has even got this far yet and needs no controls to achieve this. The controls are in place to tame the device and provide the circular rotation.

There is little more to discuss other then building one. I read SM doc right through again tonight and i placed 20 out 20 ticks against my model to his notes. In addition EMdevices has witnessed this 7.5 Hz oddity on his motor experiments couple of pages back.

I will say this now this thread is now in resonating at last. If we stay tuned in to pure sine then things happen.

Just need to clear this up for grumpy first 
I don't recall "balun mixer" or any variation of it being posted before today.  I do recall that "mixer" has been suggested several times over the last year+.

Could be anything in the underside of that box/heatsink looking thing.

I would not place too much value in the 7.5 Hz thing.  Go back a page or two and get that PDF of SM's letter's that I posted.


this is my post from last week.

"Why SM may need to use balun? This could also be useful to provide the correct impedance of  the sig output to collector. The sig gen will be very low impedance and unbalanced even the mostfet PA stage is designed to run into very low impedance..few ohms. The collector coil will appear as several hundred ohms balanced. We know that a twisted pair has a 300 ohm impedance same as EDIT folded dipole (open unbalanced dipoles usually low impedance 50 or 75 ohm) and the collector coil could be as high. If the sig input is mismatched then we cannot transfer enough useful signal in to the collector. While writing this it certainly occurred to me the collector is a magnetic dipole!  LOL oh heck it gets better. The two collector coils ARE balanced and fed into the balun."
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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2429 on: September 14, 2007, 03:45:14 AM »
A visual map?    What a great idea !!!    LOL   :)   :D  :)  :D
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