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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2400 on: September 13, 2007, 09:23:37 PM »
yes I agree with you bolt, it's a sound concept used in radios and it could be 90% of how it works.

It's just that we talked about it before and that's why Grumpy is mentioning it.  I know there are so many posts to read through and I woudn't expect everybody to wade through it all.  Inevitably things will be repeated, and that's ok.

At least now you know that we agree with you   LOL  :)

EM

P.S.  good points about regeneration marco

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2400 on: September 13, 2007, 09:23:37 PM »

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« Reply #2401 on: September 13, 2007, 09:45:56 PM »
it is also known that Lee De Forrest, the father of the audion triode, channeled with Tesla just before Tesla drove the car around and then De Forrest tried to patent the regenerative circuit but this was actually invented by Edwin Armstrong, resulted in a law suite which De Forrest won, but should not have won beacuse of Edwin was believed to be it's true inventor.
This makes the regenerative circuit even more suspicious when looking at the wooden box with tubes Tesla used.
He modified the tubes in his hotel room and somehow managed to tap what he called "the ethers surrounding us" and "unknown signals which we should be thankfull of their presence"

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2402 on: September 13, 2007, 09:54:11 PM »
What's make the "deciphering of the TPU" so difficult is that ever possible means fo operation appears to be correct.

Let's get loose for a minute with the theoretical rhetoric:

Suppose you decided to make a "black hole" and pull in all of the ambiant energy around us.

We could start with a four-pole RMF arrangement, but you need something to give it that "depth", that "vortex" aspect.  Marinov and Boyce both perform this task with a DC-power solenoid around the ring. Marinov used AC, Boyce uses square waves - sequentially.

How could this be done with a three RMF arrangement?

Ah, Hell - let's go all the way to the damn edge of reason and insanity...

Suppose you have three rotating magnetic fields/collectors stacked on top of each other.

Now suppose that you start tuning the first (top) RMF until you see an output in it's collector.

Then you tune the second and third to match.

Now you have a kick-ass RMF but still no proverbial "vortex", so you tune the second to go a little faster than the first and the third to go faster than the second - but still harmonically related - fast, faster, fastest - in phase - ta-da - bitchin' RMF vortex.

I expect you would find an interesting relationship between these frequencies - perhaps even a particular arrangement that would blow the damn thing straight to hell and you with it.


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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2402 on: September 13, 2007, 09:54:11 PM »
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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2403 on: September 13, 2007, 10:13:34 PM »
Ok Guys, 

I used MatLab to simulate MIXING AND ADDING of two signals.  (  F1 = 10 Hz,   and F2 = 12 Hz. )

1)  Notice the Mixer produces the F2+F1= 22Hz and the F2-F1 = 2 Hz signals.

2)  The Addition operation produces the familiar BEAT which can be seen.  It is also 2 Hz, but look how much different the waveforms look!   

So in the future when you look at an oscilloscope you'll be able to spot  ADDITION and MIXING operations. :)

EM
« Last Edit: September 13, 2007, 11:01:10 PM by EMdevices »

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2404 on: September 13, 2007, 10:41:16 PM »
You get that exact mixing effect when a 60 Hz ac cord is near your probe - damn annoying.

Now, about that vortex....

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Re: Lords of the Ring
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« Reply #2405 on: September 13, 2007, 10:56:04 PM »
I know Grumpy,  LOL,  it's so frustrating, I fight it all the time.    I keep my oscilloscope on DC so I can spot a DC component that might show up and it often does,  it's the damn  60 Hz waveform just starting to rise, and I can only see it if I set the time base very wide, but at the high frequencies I'm working at I can't tell.


So you like the Vortex concepts, yes, the good old vortex.   I hope you realize that the frequency of rotation is dependent on:

1)   Number of poles

2)  Frequency.

I should also say that in this concept,   the frequencies are IDENTICAL.   That's how the 3-phase,2-phase systems work.  I did those simulations in that other thread, which I'm sure you've seen.

So when S.M says turn on first frequency then the second, are they the same?   Not sure.  I belive he told us to use harmonics, and so going by his words alone, I can conclude:

1) The TPU does  NOT use  3-phase or 2-phase setups.   (good luck to Bob Boyce replication group, don't want to discourage anybody)

2) The TPU does NOT use heterodyning principle either (intentionaly but it always occurs)

Point #2 depends on how much SM knows about the device he created or whether he is truthful, but if you take him at his word there seems to be a contradiction between the video and the letters   (video says tune to the earth magnetic field, letters say you create harmonic frequencies and mix, slam them ,whatever)  Those are two separate concepts unless he eliminates the HARMONIC PART.   Then I can say OK, two frequencies such that we can mix and reach the 7.3 Hz Schumann.

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2406 on: September 13, 2007, 11:04:31 PM »
Alright so we are getting somewhere its a shame this part wasn't concentrated on more a year ago and could already have working tpu that just required taming and controlling which after we done this part is still at least 6 months work. Anyway moving on we now established we can use two frequencies. So now we have 3 coils in or TPU.

Coil one is our IF frequency and we don't really care what this is because we already established it can be anything. However its determined by the characteristics of the coil which lies in front of your eyes. Not mine or anyone else's.  This is a free running oscillator but we build it stable and take all precautions on stability.Lets say this is happy running at 200.00 Kz. Its vital to keep the harmonic content low and the purity of the sine high. This is why valve oscillators make such a wonderful job at this but i would use a mos fet.

Coil number 2 is our BFO and this one is now 7.5 difference to our IF frequncy. The output is now our 7,5 Hz that we actually want. Now if we wind coil 2 exactly the same as coil one and stick the same cap on the end of the coil then they should come close anyway. However we will do everything to this BFO in order to control the phase and amplitude but this comes later this one runs at 207.5Kz The BFO is phase locked and clamped to our 7.5 loop but i come to this later.

Coil 3 is our 7.5 Hz loop antenna except its driven from the output of the above signals which have been mixed. The loop is fractional resonant to the wavelength we want but we drive it from the output of our mixer.  How do we mix it and keep the impedance matching correct? We must use a balun transformer to mix as the loop is extremely low impedance and our signal loads are high impedance. So you see those 2 twinkies sat on the control box of the 800 volt tpu are mixing baluns on a ferrite core. There are two of them one for each frequency.

OK so far so good. So in the words of SM "switching on the first frequency (the IF) and now switching on the second frequncy (the BFO) what happens initially is the BFO is tracking in a range set by the PLL an it hasn't got a clue yet it unlocked. After a few seconds output of the mixers stumble on the mag wave lets say its 7.37684 Hz today. This produces a tiny kick in our feedback coil and now the PLL can see this frequency and instantly begins to lock the BFO to this kick. The magic trick is to keep the output 7.37684 at 90 degrees phase to the incoming kick and as we do this the output grows larger into the loop. Now we take this bigger kick and feed it back into the 7.5 loop keep the phase shifted at 90 degress and we keep doing this till we have full lock and a ton of power.  Too much to write here how it works in great detail but lets say this by adding power to the collector our virtual antenna is no longer 6 inches wide in front of you it now 1000's of feet wide!! In fact it can get so big it will reach out and almost fully couple to the entire wave if given enough chance. We are now generating so much out of phase flux it like putting up huge great sails 1000's feet high and as the mag wave passes over longitudinally we scoop all this and drag into the centre of the TPU coil. It does more than scoop it leaves behind a gapping big hole :) This is an EM cloud and is don't matter if you are talking about light heat magnetic or radio waves you can do this with anything. If you do this with light you can make things completly disappear.

Now we got all this power sucked into the TPU like a vacuum cleaner but we cant make use of it yet without our magnet. The zero point of all this energy in now at the point of the mixer and our loop antenna. So we place a magnet right there at 45 degrees.  But all we done is create an in balance in the global field which is now met in the loop till if we get too much the loop becomes saturated at first and starts getting hot or even explode. The magnet nearfield B field wave will distort the other half of the flux which has been time distorted and come rushing in to balance things out. However we can disturb this inrush by the magnet and bend it which creates an electron river to flow around the coil and its this electron flow which is no longer magnetic its been transposed to electrons or a high current. We will never convert all nor  do we need too in fact very little is converted to an electrical current the rest is losses in heat and self correction of the inbalance yet in practical terms the power is limitless and depends on size and Q of the coils.

There bits to be worked out like feedback and coupling etc but look the workmanship of  small TPU is not exactly military spec. Bundles of wire bits of tape and blobs of glue and it still worked. So all that is on the little PCB on the side of the tpu are two oscillators and one PLL chip thats it. Its start by a tiny battery of course but as soon as the tpu is running a power winding tap powers the controller and take over.

However to work out the feedback and control loops sig gens and class A amps will help a lot to see whats happening but the final build is much more simple. But as SM stated if your oscillators drift too much or the PLL cant lock you wont get the first kick and nothing will happen.

Now do as your told. Uncle SM said build the controller in the middle of the tpu. They wont work built to one side so you might as well go for the full monte and make the 800 volt tpu and build everything in the centre. Also becuase the coils are larger they will be more stable and the first pulse is MUCH more likely to be seen compared to the 4 inch tpu.

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Re: Lords of the Ring
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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2407 on: September 13, 2007, 11:16:37 PM »
Look at all of the Schumann resonances and harmonics.  Then consider that some harmonics may be higher than the fundamental - depending on what the hell is going on at the frequency.  So, SM may be working off 7.8 Hz indirectly.

When did SM first start talking about harmonics?  About a year ago SM provided this:

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It is really great to see more "hands on" activity here. It may be relevant to convey the importance of the relationship
between the resonances/wire lengths of the control/collector coils. I think of it a a rotational magnetic reciever. Some of
the tests that I have carried on the coiols that have visible control windings indicate frequencies in the megahertz range
which would make pc scopes un usable ...I could be wrong...we will see. We are Searching for a rotational Kicking
field.that can be accelerated by applying harmonics This could take a while. It is unconventional. Sharing results..even
failures will help every body. Sharing limitations will slow everybody down. It would be great if more those who seem to
have a clear understanding would do some winding to confirm their expectations. Perhaps Luck will come into it I
remember a fellow who said "The more I work and act the more luck I seem to get"

He also provided this:

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After rereading my letters to you I became aware that in fact I have already sent you enough information to duplicate my power units.

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2408 on: September 13, 2007, 11:17:47 PM »
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....It does more than scoop it leaves behind a gapping big hole  This is an EM cloud and is don't matter if you are talking about light heat magnetic or radio waves you can do this with anything.

So you are talking about the effective antenna aperture that gets widened when in resonance, that's your EM cloud.  I see.   Grumpy, GK and others call it a vortex   :)


Did you see my previous post?   SM said the frequencies were HARMONICS OF EACH OTHER.    That's what I'm  talking about, this heterodyning theory falls on that "clue" if it is a truthful clue.

Welcome to the TPU  madness, what's what and what's not, sooner or later you'll go crazy like the rest of us and babble uncontrolably.  LOL   :)

EM

P.S.  Grumpy I'm not sure that first paragraph you quoted is SM talking, I think it's Mannix, the clue is:  "...We are Searching for a rotational Kicking field.that can be accelerated by applying harmonics ..."   SM is not searching anylonger  LOL :)

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« Reply #2409 on: September 13, 2007, 11:18:37 PM »
yes the regen is one hell of a smart design.  But also you can see how easily that TV exploded in the story. It only needed to produce a powerful 7.5Hz transmitter and its self collecting with no limits!

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« Reply #2410 on: September 13, 2007, 11:29:48 PM »
harmonics in the vortex layer would maintain the alignement - that is poor terminology - they make the vortex field coherent

Didn't see anything in those letters about harmonics of 7.X Hz.

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The destructive heating caused by the eddy currents become the problem we face when we make a really large powerful coil.

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« Reply #2411 on: September 13, 2007, 11:30:26 PM »
harmonics mean different things to different people. There only has to be a mathematical relationship to be called a harmonic including subtraction and addition. SM also said the frequencies are related to the size of the coil. In my description thats also true. Dont forget these  are only precursor signals i made 2 and i got 3 so the right boxes been ticked here.

I wont someone now to build the bloody thing so next week i can sort out my flux capacitor LOL

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« Reply #2412 on: September 13, 2007, 11:34:47 PM »
I can conclude:

1) The TPU does  NOT use  3-phase or 2-phase setups.   (good luck to Bob Boyce replication group, don't want to discourage anybody)

2) The TPU does NOT use heterodyning principle either (intentionaly but it always occurs)


EM.

well EM i liked the "jet turbine" waveforms you posted a couple of days back MUCH more then the ones you are showing here.

if we study the jet turbine we can see the 3 channel drive and the locked "harmonic" compression technology.
the compression first pushes a blade on turbine rig one, the compresses, pushes a blade on turbine rig two, compresses again and pushes a blade on turbine rig three.

it is intresting to see we do not have a bemf in the turbine.
that is why the canonn ball analogy is so important..

there are certain clues which we can use to determine and get a more clear picture of what is happening inside the tpu.

it is in his words when you pay close attention.

if we fire up control coil one, and we let it go, and fire control coil two,control coil one will produce a force against our RMF.
so it would be constantly working against our goal.

if we look at the canonn ball analogy we can extrackt some important factors.

Now, there can be a further dissipation of energy if the projectile was
carrying a charge of dynamite to explode on impact as well.

Let me expand your mind for a moment....
Suppose that the projectile which you fired was another cannon?
Now you have another cannon traveling at 1000 miles an hour...
Now, if you could fire the second cannon, the projectile coming from it
would be traveling at a velocity of 1000 miles an hour after being fired.
However, since the cannon is already traveling at a speed of 1000 miles
an hour when you fire it, the speed of the second fired projectile is essentially now 2000
miles per hour and the energy available to convert from the second
projectile, is now twice the ten available from the first projectile!
You now have energy availability of twenty to convert from the second
projectile.
Now, what if the projectile fired from the second cannon were another
cannon and you fired it.
Since the second cannon is traveling at 2000 miles per hour then the
projectile you fire from it would make 3000 miles per hour, and so on and
so on....

The energy released from the speed of multiple projectiles increases the
energy available to be dissipated upon impact many fold!

upon impact many fold! that is key,

So here he is telling us we fire up control coil one, then control coil two, and then control coil three.
the important thing here is that the projectiles keep going untill all canonns are fired and then we collect the energy upon impact.
he clearly tells us the projectiles keep moving when the next is fired,so they do not fall to the ground at least before the next one is fired since the speeds add to each other.

basicly this means we do not switch off the controls untill they are all switched on.
then we release the complete coil resulting in one big massive bemf.
this bemf does not work against us because it does not have a real direction ,the flux is around the entire torroid when the field collapses.
it's a one way ticket.

when we switch on control coil one the field will "grow" and be on 1/3rd of the torroid.
then we fire up control coil two and the field will "grow" and be on 2/3rd of the torroid.
then we fire up control coil three and the field will "grow" untill it is on 3/3 or 100% of the torroid.
this way we can create a directional pulsed rotating magnetic field without the unwanted anti force of the bemf per control coil,we collect this energy in one big bemf when the flux is around the full torroid.

The multiple frequencies traveling around the coils are of too high
a frequency to provide for any motive effort.
They are only a means to achieve an end.
The multiple frequencies begin to feed themselves and the
multiple kicks become a combined big kick.

now we need to find a way to use the right frequency "offsets" so we can squeeze or resonate in the magnetic wave,which is already present.(allow it to add and fill up the diferential holes)

so, this methode of creating a rotational magnetic field is somewhat diffrent from what we are doing, or at least what i was doing when i started to experiment with the 3 segmented coil.

That is what i make of the canonn ball analogy, if this is not the case,then we should have seen 3 seperate firing cannons and end up with 3 seperate projectiles travelling at 1000 miles each, but i do not think this is the case....

if anybody makes something diffrent about this canonn ball analogy, let's hear it so we can discuss it.

Marco.




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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2413 on: September 13, 2007, 11:37:02 PM »
BTW the rotation may not be real or needs to be designed. Lets imagine you sat in a river which your are pointing up stream and the river is the mag wave. Now i just stuck one oar out into the river at 90 degrees. Its starts to turn me around till im going backwards but the PLL has now stuck my other arm out to keep 90 degrees. Meanwhile i go  along the river doing circles as i keep sticking my arms out to maintain 90 degrees. The rotation will still be at  7.5 the speed of the river.

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« Reply #2414 on: September 13, 2007, 11:42:41 PM »
Anway if you make a powerful 7.5 Hz antenna you get a massive kick coming back at you. This is not just an idea its real and it works.  Unleash the beast and found out how to control it after.

 

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