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Offline acerzw

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2370 on: September 13, 2007, 01:33:47 PM »
I have been looking at sites with reference to schumann earth frequencies, it seems like there are several of them, I was wondering if it might be an option to tap one of the others instead, maybe one of the less powerful ones, then possibly full conversion could be reached without a melt down, less power might be a good thing if the TPU cannot handle a full conversion event.

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« Reply #2371 on: September 13, 2007, 02:30:18 PM »
There are lots of noise and harmonics down in the low Hz range but only the 7.3 mag wave has enough energy to make this work. However you must first tap into this signal. How do you think that a tiny coil about 100,000 smaller than the wave length can collect enough of this signal to make use of it?

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« Reply #2372 on: September 13, 2007, 02:37:28 PM »
What say.....Watson. A number of clues seem to have led under the streetlamp. While there may be more light under the lamp, it may actually further disguise the mystery and lead away from the goal. Strange indeed!

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« Reply #2373 on: September 13, 2007, 03:23:52 PM »
3.99 Meters = 13.090551181102361 Feet


hummm

and this puts us in the ball park of the earths feild?

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so this is our collector length of wire and we need 3 of them i have seen varous ways to wind collectors the folded in half way the pancake way the open ended pancake way if it was open ended then we stop the pluse b4 the end of the wire and this will make the standing wave?  if it is like that then it is like our conrtols that are spining are cutting the standing wave or taping into it  ;) breaking the flux lines that are cancled  ha!!!

well top coil is spinning 1 dirrection bottom the opsite center is following both!! via magnetic induction no? the pluses that go into  the top are 180 deg  of the ones that go in the bottom? and that will cancel out each other  in the standing wave producing it at 90 deg

well enough is enough

square waves = teslas death ray

sine = sm tpu

make sence?

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« Reply #2374 on: September 13, 2007, 04:36:47 PM »
When you enter the world of "harmonics", the resultant wave is no longer a sine wave and I agree that sine waves can produce the desired effects.  A single sine wave can not produce these effects.  If anyone has proof that contradicts this, I'd love to see it.  Just because you put a sine wave in to something does not mean you get a sine wave out. 

On a related note, transformers will not pass a square wave since it is not constantly changing.  I'm sure the "magnetic vector potential" plays an important part in this.  You put a square in and you get a pulse out - who would have thought?

Odd harmonics, which, by the way, are positive going in the spectrum domain, are combined to produce square waves.  The neat thing here is that by adding the odd harmonics, the rise/fall time of the resultant waveform is much faster than the individuals.  So, if you are looking for a fast transition, it's almost like getting something for nothing.  In theory, the odd harmonics all the way to infinity are in a square wave - this would include frequencies in the IR, UV, and all the way up to cosmic rays - neutrinos anyone?

Throw even harmonics in the mix and you get sawtooth waves.

Now, I rememebr something about one of these types of waves (square or saw) not have a DC element, think it was the square and something about the missing harmonics - I might be totally wrong.  I'll look that up when I get home to the ol' book on pulses that I have from the tube days.

Pese recently declared that FE/OU can not be achieved with SS devices.  First you have the tiny little reverse when the SS device switches, then you have bandwidth considerations to contend with.  It is interesting to note that the compounds that make-up SS devices have bandwidth limits for electrical transmission.  Even wires and cables have bandwidth limits.  Hell, even various types of glass have bandwidth limits.  Quartz, for example, is an excellent transmitter of UV.  Makes for great lenses in the UV range.  When I worked in the satellite field years ago, we performed sweeps on patch cables and a perfectly good patch cable would be rejected if it's losses were too great in our desired frequency range.  Really good cables (i.e. very linear in desired freq range) would get a special place next to the sweep generator. 

Interesting to note that RE can be created with SS devices in a round-about sort of way - as GK has indicated with his experiments in this thread.  However, I don't recall seeing any SS devices in SM's rings - only coils and capacitors (and fuses) - wich leads me to think that the effects are easy to create when one knows how.

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« Reply #2375 on: September 13, 2007, 04:49:44 PM »
Well said Mannix,  all should try for the pure sine waves to create resonance.   Square waves are useful however, and should help us see the ringing (right after the sharp transitions), measure it and find it's frequency, then switch to pure sinewave and ring that puppy.  :)

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« Reply #2376 on: September 13, 2007, 04:58:55 PM »
grumpy when you say your last few sentances you make me think of my magnet gk4 ring spark gap

so what if i put the magnet aginst the steel ring and discharge it through a spark gap into the controls hehehehe!

it is doing the same thing but im not zaping the magnet anymore cuze the iron is the magnet hummmmm.......


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nice link grumpy  but when i had my cap and my diode to the mag spark gap it in a bout 8 seconds it put the cap up over 200v i then discharged it to the bulb and it lit it if this ran 3 of thesae units constantly filling the cap we could run a blub  no problem  i know this but is it the same as the tpu hummm i dont think so

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Re: Lords of the Ring
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« Reply #2378 on: September 13, 2007, 06:33:32 PM »
forget square triangle and spiky waves i been saying this for 2 weeks now they have no place in this circuit. Do you know how to make a third frequency from 2 frequencies? I let you think about this for a second. Think about a pocket AM radio. Does it use square waves any where?

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« Reply #2379 on: September 13, 2007, 06:51:56 PM »
When you enter the world of "harmonics", the resultant wave is no longer a sine wave and I agree that sine waves can produce the desired effects.  A single sine wave can not produce these effects.  If anyone has proof that contradicts this, I'd love to see it.  Just because you put a sine wave in to something does not mean you get a sine wave out. 


i do not know what everybody is thinking about the Schumann resonance's being sine waves....
they are generated random by lightning, so personally i believe it would come closesd to random magnetic noise..

from my experiments, i also believe it is actually constantly expanding and being compressed between two frequency's in close range.

i have driven motors with one 7,8 hertz sine wave only, and the strange part is that they keep rotating at this specific frequency, while these are 3 phase motors.
it only keeps rotating at this frequency, if i adjust the dial a tiny bit it will stop.
it's a verry sharp tunning point and it takes about ten minutes to get it going.
when it is rotating i can switch it to pulsed DC and the motor starts to make a variable noise exactly like the sound we hear in the vid when Steven start's up the smallest device.
it just comes and goes.

pherhaps the motor resonates with the magnetic wave similair as the magnets did in my previous experiments, it certaily looks and sounds like it.

i am building a driver circuit to see if i can do "magnetic hetrodyning" similair to what happens in a radio, but in a radio it happens electrically, and i want to see if it can be done magnetically.
so that would make it some sort of magnetic reciever, rather then to electrical fields only.

there are certain clues Steven gave us from which we can make some exclusions regarding operating priciple, but we didn't discuss them yet.

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« Reply #2380 on: September 13, 2007, 07:02:05 PM »
Marco your very close and if you want to know why this happens especially at 7.5Hz then take a look at tesla work and how phases interact.  You see from the observers point we currently see the earth mag wave as very weak and is only enough to slowly pull a compass round and thats because when you have take a measurement you can only see the difference of a signal and not the real sides which are immense. Your motor setup was crude but non the less the interaction with this energy is enough to keep is running at that spot frequency when the phase is correct yet your not even attempting to harness this energy in a way the tpu is working.

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« Reply #2381 on: September 13, 2007, 07:07:48 PM »
in 1916 Tesla indeed spoke about a true electro-acoustic audio transducer that was part of a wireless receiver.

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One of the simplest devices I used in my experiments between my laboratory on South Fifth Avenue and [at] the Gerlach Hotel, and other places in and outside the city, was an instrument constructed in 1896 with a magnet which sometimes was so designed as to give me a very intense magnetic field up to 20,000 lines per square centimeter. In this [field] I placed a conductor, a wire or a coil, and then I would get a note which I amplified and intensified in many ways. From the characteristics of the audible note, I would immediately judge the quality of my apparatus.

When I speak of an audible note, I mean a note audible in a telephone as produced by the diaphragm of a telephone, or by a vibrating wire within the range of audibility. . . . I usually would transform the current in the receiving circuit and make as close a connection as possible and then tune the circuit to the vibrations. I would also mechanically tune the wire, according to the frequency, to the same note or to a fundamental. . . . You could hear it all over the place. . . . I could hear it from a distance. The vibrations were very vigorous. . . .

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« Reply #2382 on: September 13, 2007, 07:09:56 PM »
Think about how much is on tap when you create a disturbance to the near equilibrium that currently exist because we are actually getting close to about a 40,000 year cycle and reaching 0 point on the earth wave.  Does zero point of your AC mains there is no power? No its a measurement effect because thats only what you see at that point in time. If you disturb the flux by offsetting  the component that provides equilibrium then you can then measure and use the power.

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« Reply #2383 on: September 13, 2007, 07:29:47 PM »
well it works verry similair to a simple combustion engine.
and i am refering to the ignition like we had in the "mechanical" days.

these days we have electronic ignition with a sensor and a small magnet placed on the flywheel, but in the early days we had a "contact point" on a plate which we could adjust by loosening screws and rotating the plate to set the spark on time.
with this mechanism it was possible to set the parameters of maximum acceleration and or top speed of the engine, it was a timing thing.

the stepping motor acts in a similair way, meaning i have to fire a pulse exactly at the top of when it's position is at maximum magnetic compression.
if the timing is right and the pulse is strong enough it will accelerate to a point where it "hit's itself on the tail" so to speak and i can imagine this is what causes the vibration.
if i do this at 7.8 Hertz the motor keeps rotating like if the magnetic wave fills up the other "holes" or "phases"

i have seen it in various motors so it is not related to a certain model.
also some of the old floppy drives used a phased system with hall sensors and a crystal clock running at 650Khz.
these were also 3 wires and wrapped in multiple segments so it is possible to create a rotating magnetic field with more then one moving pole at the same time, and these were also wrapped in a way the "north" flux was always rotating at the outside of the coils and the "south" flux was being kept inside.

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« Reply #2384 on: September 13, 2007, 07:50:18 PM »
Thats right so now think about the tpu. We want to capture this 7,8 Hz wave and we know its strong under the right circimstances and is much stronger then what you can normally see in a compass because despite our tpu coil or the motor winding being 100,000 times smaller than the earth wave the effects are very real.  So you just said yourself you fed the motor with 7.8 Hz and you see the effect. Now then, how do we make 7.8 Hz in our tpu??  Because when you do this you will see the effect. :)

 

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