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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2355 on: September 13, 2007, 01:04:36 AM »
GK that looks good i think your on a home run. However, your digi control is almost certainly way over the top to how SM was doing this but least gives you a stable platform to work from. One of the things i been looking at is the number of turns for the collectors. Clearly we can only deal with fractional parts of an earth wave. I post more on this shortly.

Earth wave say at 7.5 Hz = 39972327.7333 meters so what do you propose is a workable fraction to try. 3.99 meters? Perhaps 39.97 meters on a larger TPU if you have space. BTW you really should use the ferrite ring core to inject the sines into you coils.

How do you know what SM used to initially find the correct frequencies?  He migh have had a lab full of equipment.  (Yes, I know he mentioned that he used tubes.)

Earth waves?  7.5HZ?  Where does SM state the he drove coils at such low frequencies?  SM also states that one deliberately tunes off the "frequency of conversion".

Ferrite cores?  SM has stated several times that there are no "ferrous" cores in the TPU's.

The way SM controlled this was a free running osc tuned roughly to 7.0 to 8.0 as a sweep then it was phased locked to the actual 7.53452 once it appeared. I since found this mag freq is rather wobbly day to day.  However, you can only do this when you worked out the coils and controls otherwise force feeding is good for now. It will need to be accurate to at least 0.01 Hz. Later you need to make an AGC circuit too. If your lucky you will notice a burning smell on the coils, if unlucky.........well your mum can tell us instead. LOL

Free running oscillator?  You got it all figured out now?


Stop mucking up this thread with your BS!

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2355 on: September 13, 2007, 01:04:36 AM »

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2356 on: September 13, 2007, 01:21:45 AM »
@grumpy

dont you think at 7.5hz you are slightly tuned off of the 7.8hz  to be safe   low freq is totaly the way. we all see sm hold and carelessly fling it around when operating in his vidieos the feroite kinda of threw me but then agin sauron posted a pic a wile ago using feroite cores from transformers taken out of computer moitors  and heavey gage bare copper ground wire maybe 4 gage or 6 gage

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2357 on: September 13, 2007, 01:30:43 AM »
GK that looks good i think your on a home run. However, your digi control is almost certainly way over the top to how SM was doing this but least gives you a stable platform to work from. One of the things i been looking at is the number of turns for the collectors. Clearly we can only deal with fractional parts of an earth wave. I post more on this shortly.

Earth wave say at 7.5 Hz = 39972327.7333 meters so what do you propose is a workable fraction to try. 3.99 meters? Perhaps 39.97 meters on a larger TPU if you have space. BTW you really should use the ferrite ring core to inject the sines into you coils.

How do you know what SM used to initially find the correct frequencies?  He migh have had a lab full of equipment.  (Yes, I know he mentioned that he used tubes.)

If you want to run off the earths mag field then it helps to tune to it. Not stupid is it really?

Earth waves?  7.5HZ?  Where does SM state the he drove coils at such low frequencies?  SM also states that one deliberately tunes off the "frequency of conversion".

Thats true you tune off when you found it but you have to find it first. The only reason for tuning off is too prevent overload.

Ferrite cores?  SM has stated several times that there are no "ferrous" cores in the TPU's.

where does he say that? What do you think they are on top of the TPU control box? Ginger nuts or twinkies?

The way SM controlled this was a free running osc tuned roughly to 7.0 to 8.0 as a sweep then it was phased locked to the actual 7.53452 once it appeared. I since found this mag freq is rather wobbly day to day.  However, you can only do this when you worked out the coils and controls otherwise force feeding is good for now. It will need to be accurate to at least 0.01 Hz. Later you need to make an AGC circuit too. If your lucky you will notice a burning smell on the coils, if unlucky.........well your mum can tell us instead. LOL

Free running oscillator?  You got it all figured out now?

Pretty much yes

Stop mucking up this thread with your BS!

Very much uncalled for i guess your still playing with spark gaps and this thread is getting too complicated for you now.

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2357 on: September 13, 2007, 01:30:43 AM »
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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2358 on: September 13, 2007, 01:31:15 AM »
I thought he used two frequencies that were about 7.8 Hz apart and then a third that was 7.8 HZ above the second one.

For example:
100 khz, 107.8 khz, 115.6 khz

Slightly off:
100 khz, 110 khz, 120 khz


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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2359 on: September 13, 2007, 01:39:54 AM »
@Bolt

If you knew anything about spark gaps, you'd be using one.

A toroid in the center of the TPU is not a TPU Core - dumb ass!  Besides, they could be plastic cores for all you know.

Got it all figured out?

Build it and prove it!

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2359 on: September 13, 2007, 01:39:54 AM »
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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2360 on: September 13, 2007, 02:21:51 AM »
I would love to build it but don't have the resources to do it. So in the meantime GK is the only one getting very very close because he has determination and the resources to do it. Most importantly i have refocused this thread that went off on a 12 month detour using square waves and spikes. Thats not how its done at all.  However i have extremely valid reasons to believe thats ferrite or aluminum core (latter possible but unlikely)  on top of the large control unit.  Look i don't want to argue about it just a waste of time. You been here for a year posted over 600 messages and learn  very little.

I been here for just 2 weeks now and unraveled 90% of the theory. I can tell you this. Every sub component of the TPU is using methods that have already been done before and its a mixture of pure audio, RF and classic circuity. As SM says no mass circuitry. Its only the overall makeup of the device that makes it work in this fashion. I am not surprised SM had to basically come on this forum and vent his frustration. What i propose will create an EM cloud. it will also produce intense EM bright spot under certain conditions.  When balanced there should be no radiation outside of the coils and we can control the aperture. Anyone serious in lab conditions getting close or already done this will know exactly what im talking about.I have an explanation for the slow start and decay and know exactly how the magnets work. Do i have a full circuit? no of course not but i have a solid foundation.
« Last Edit: September 13, 2007, 02:49:09 AM by bolt »

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2361 on: September 13, 2007, 03:09:31 AM »
bolt watch out, Grumpy lives up to his name  LOL   :D

Seriously though,  I like to hear people theorize, but in the end we do need to build and test the theories.


Here's how I've wondered the TPU landscape:

1)  TPU is an antenna for RF  energy (TV towner, radio, marine becons, grid, etc..)

2)  TPU is a magnetic loop antena for low frequency Schumann waves

3)  TPU is taping the magnetic spin of atoms, through the use of NMR  (nuclear magnetic resonance) Larmor frequency

4)  TPU uses audio resonance

5)  TPU is an ingenious ENERGY multiplier through the use of resonance and standing waves, like a TESLA coil.

6)  TPU uses 3 phase (or 2 phase) coils and functions like an AC motor, creating a rotational field

7)  TPU is FAKE   LOL   :D

8 )  TPU is perhaps a magnetic antenna, perhaps using all of the above (minus the FAKE)

A number of concepts have been proposed and lots of theory expounded, but in the end we need to build and experiment.

EM

P.S.  By the way GK,  I appreciate your tenacity, sticking with this project and experimenting away.  I enjoy your videos on youtube,  I don't pop in here that much but I do watch,  keep up the good work man !!!

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Re: Lords of the Ring
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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2362 on: September 13, 2007, 03:50:01 AM »
@bolt

 can you lay out your simplest design for your versoin of the coil and i will put one togather and im sure others will too then that will take most of the guess work out of it and we all can finish the 5% or 10% that is left publicly


save some time and confusion here     it has been a long road so far for most

just a thought since you can not build it at this time

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you never know i may just finish my machine b4 the tpu even comes compleatly public

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2363 on: September 13, 2007, 05:17:09 AM »
I remember reading a quote in the S.M. documentation--  "you have to disable the effects of the flux"
  That statement sticks with me,  something like a room temperature superconductor, but with off
  the shelf materials.  I know of three different people who describes a similiar thing, Tom Beardon
  describes it as containing all flux inside of a material you no longer have the normal B field
  (curved) but a differrent one which extends straight out,  Erfinder called it the void, Ring theory had
  something similiar.

If it is the earths field being utilized in the tpu, then how do we disable the flux? my guess is a
  helmholtz, which is used for the purpose of just that, disabling the earths flux inside the helmholtz
  coil.  what exactly is flux anyway? many questions the pure logical mind can,t answer

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2363 on: September 13, 2007, 05:17:09 AM »
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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2364 on: September 13, 2007, 05:42:38 AM »
I would love to build it but don't have the resources to do it. So in the meantime GK is the only one getting very very close because he has determination and the resources to do it. Most importantly i have refocused this thread that went off on a 12 month detour using square waves and spikes. Thats not how its done at all.  However i have extremely valid reasons to believe thats ferrite or aluminum core (latter possible but unlikely)  on top of the large control unit.  Look i don't want to argue about it just a waste of time. You been here for a year posted over 600 messages and learn  very little.

Sine waves = no OU = no RE

If you read back a few pages, you wi ll see that GK is making RE - with square waves.

If you read Bob Boyce's post  - he uses square waves in his rings.

If you read Dave Lowrances "Overunity in Copper" essay - he used square waves.

If you read the latter works of Nikola Tesla - he used pulses - undirectional - and produced RE at each make and break of the circuit (like a damn square wave).

Aluminum is an AG material but you mention nothing of this.  Could be bismuth or titanium in the TPU for all you know.   

You talk of your "cards" and "valid reasons" but give nothing to support them.

You have all the answers to the wrong questions.

600 posts - what do you know of what I have learned?   I have learned to keep my damn mouth shut.  I have learned to share knowledge wisely.  I have learned to keep friends close and enemies closer.  I have learned that humans don;t know squat about the universe as a whole - we are barely out of the primordial muck.

I have learned that silicon based materials are "bandwidth limited".

What have you learned?

I been here for just 2 weeks now and unraveled 90% of the theory. I can tell you this. Every sub component of the TPU is using methods that have already been done before and its a mixture of pure audio, RF and classic circuity. As SM says no mass circuitry. Its only the overall makeup of the device that makes it work in this fashion. I am not surprised SM had to basically come on this forum and vent his frustration. What i propose will create an EM cloud. it will also produce intense EM bright spot under certain conditions.  When balanced there should be no radiation outside of the coils and we can control the aperture. Anyone serious in lab conditions getting close or already done this will know exactly what im talking about.I have an explanation for the slow start and decay and know exactly how the magnets work. Do i have a full circuit? no of course not but i have a solid foundation.

An EM cloud?   In case you have n ot noticed, the "M" in EM is an issue. You need ES (or ED), not EM.

Stephan Marinov created a table-top pulsar - and died for it.  You probably never heard of him.

Tesla used a magnet to reduce frequencies to an audible range.  You probably never heard of that either.

Soild foundation - then build it or ask someone else to.

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2365 on: September 13, 2007, 07:02:54 AM »

I see some stomping noise developed here instead,

Let me explain that the old thread is very long and confusing. I do want any  more misinformation .however well intended.When the new , non listeners start giving advice,and show little respect for the person or the value of the information provided..perhaps some will understand.perhaps not.
its one thread that surely gets a good look sometimes.



Moving foward 

I'm pretty  sure that this has not been covered before but in search of passive variable phase for my passive version like our friend from Macedonia ...this is what i found.




http://www.allenavionics.com/Info_Srv/SpecifyingDelayLinesPage2.htm




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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2365 on: September 13, 2007, 07:02:54 AM »
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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2366 on: September 13, 2007, 07:48:14 AM »
At the same time I am gonna get out the ugly stick and put my butt on the choppin block.

There are 8k+ people politely watching.
Only a few of us speak out.
A few of us throw stuff in.

And please call me on this if I am wrong.
First to mention:
square waves, sparkgaps, counter rotating mag fields, Speaker and microphones(marco posted videos and made no mention), huge anomolies in the sky, dangerous personal anomolies, construction of the SM17, GK4 construction, followed Ottos GK4 configuration, Stun guns (not addressable in public forum for national security sake(thats right, don't ask)I did the tests), mentioned 30 foot loop of ezflow off a tesla coil( was told to stop), ... blah, blah, blah. I got history. Why? Not fame nor fortune. I just tried what came in posts, patents, to mind, from other people, from things laying around.
I wish anybody here could have seen my condition when I hooked all of Telsa's patent pictures together at the Very large Array after I watched the movie Contact when they put their diagrams together into a cube. My rubber panties weren't big enough. Everybody seems to struggle with the simplest of instructions and I can't get enuff. Leaps of light years.

I got 3 square pulse coils and 2 sine wave coils. You want big stuff then fire them square waves. Hey, they work. I done it. Big deal. Others haven't. No big deal.
Nothing has covered sine waves or audio. Except... In all of Marcos amazing reveletory videos he plays thumping music in the background. Did any body get this? He has never posted anything that was wrong. And what he did post was far beyond the current theme of the post. Hello?

The sine wave side has not been tried. So here I am. Been down the other road of 'Blow shit up'. Heck, I even micro blowd myself up. Why light a light bulb when you can light yourself... Mind if I smoke?
I could go on. No, really....

So you all run around clanging your symbols. To the victor goes the spoils. There is no harm in trying. There is no turf to protect . I just want another coil. And this will benefit me with a high tech control, pc based interface for driving the TPU in and out of whatever I find. And I share too. No? Do you realize how much money that is worth, alone?

--giantkiller. Not to offend, only to amend.

p.s. Don't make me throw the yellow foul flag.

« Last Edit: September 13, 2007, 08:21:56 AM by giantkiller »

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2367 on: September 13, 2007, 08:13:50 AM »
In the video (http://www.bisque.com/) I saw in Olin auditorium at Denver University tonight I learned of the spokes in Saturn's rings. The clip that I saw showed these happening above lightning strikes. Looks to me like Radiant Energy. The astronomers don't know what the spokes are. And they look to start from the first inner rings not just the B.
http://www.solarviews.com/eng/saturnrings.htm
25 years ago I wrote the rs232 serial driver that drives the web based robotic scopes.

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2368 on: September 13, 2007, 08:50:08 AM »
needles to say, i have done the transformer experiment and i did use two sine waves, which when mixed produced needle bemf spikes which were later confirmed to be the output we should see comming from a working TPU but in the size and quantity to give a greater voltage.
a bemf will rize to ANY voltage to find itself a discharge path..
This energy can be recycled but what do we smart EE's do? we destroy it with a diode so it adds to the losses ::)
that in my opinion is defenatly NOT the way to go.

so if sines turn into square when mixed or bucked toghether when half rectified and running in opposing directions, my guess would be yes, it is possible with sines too :)

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2369 on: September 13, 2007, 10:19:59 AM »
Sine sources allow the interaction to be tracked.

Square ...you wont know what part of your drive is interacting in the coil,  or what part of the noisy switching device is producing what.
 
I bet nobody can produce a near  perfect square wave.

I bet somebody can make a near perfect sine wave...nature is at play here ...it is natural phenomenon not a ^%&^%computer!

'Harmonic Perfection" can you do that with square?

I am assuming that people know exactly what a square wave is

With 3 frequencies we most certainly would not want odd harmonics or anything that would produce them...unless we were not interested in  tuning into anything except to make a lot of noise.

Ive said this before , sorry GK


 

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