Author Topic: Lords of the Ring (Read 948115 times)

giantkiller · « **Reply #2325 on:** September 09, 2007, 07:59:06 PM »

Quote from: innovation_station on September 09, 2007, 12:36:54 AM

could or would you class this as an open loop?

is

http://youtube.com/watch?v=G-qOAkNMOBE&mode=related&search=

kinda looks like the movie primer eh gk?

look at this vid check out frame 2min 39 sec and note the date lol!! also notice the sine wave at the bottom of the screen

http://youtube.com/watch?v=mSBEYs0rjac&mode=related&search=

Quote from: acerzw on September 09, 2007, 07:37:39 PM

GK,

where are those two pictures you posted from?

I like the tesla one, which tesla patent is it from?

Acerzw

In the video Patent 382282, 390721
I wired the GK4 off these and Otto confirmed the jumpering in his pix for 3 layers.

--giantkiller.

giantkiller · « **Reply #2326 on:** September 10, 2007, 02:05:38 AM »

Ordered Jameco#:20685 quantity: 3
xr2206 function generator kit. Will tier the 3 and shove in a radio shack box.

https://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10001&catalogId=10001&pa=20685&productId=20685

This will accellerate the 3 freq test. Granted the max freq is 100khz. How many times has the freq range have to be announced in the TPU subject matter?. It is an audio component.
I have the push-pull FET board all ready done from the ECD tests. Plugh -n- play. Can install the incoming audio op amp before it and achieve Class A spec.

--giantkiller.

bolt · « **Reply #2327 on:** September 10, 2007, 04:59:58 PM »

GK the sig gens is a very good starting point and should do something at least even if unstable.

BTW where did you get that very nice graphic program from?

giantkiller · « **Reply #2328 on:** September 10, 2007, 06:27:55 PM »

Quote from: bolt on September 10, 2007, 04:59:58 PM

GK the sig gens is a very good starting point and should do something at least even if unstable.

BTW where did you get that very nice graphic program from?

http://www.stmuc.com/moray/
http://www.povray.org/

This graphic paradygm is based on using primitives to cut other primitives. Been in this program for 10 years and involved in computer graphics and Autocad for 25 yrs.
In other programs the odd shapes are gained thru nodes and face movement. This can be tough.
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Unstability is ok for now. Sine waves are great under 40khz. I see the difference between square and sine in this application.
I have 3 steps. The XR2206 gennys, the Micropic to a DAC, and the minimal coil config. I realized the square kicks I felt in January would be a better output if they were sine. The sharp corners represent very high speed and that means lost power radiating away. The sine would be one freq with no losses. 5khz = 5khz.

--giantkiller.

innovation_station · « **Reply #2329 on:** September 10, 2007, 09:27:40 PM »

i have herd as well that when electricty is transmitted through resosance there is 0 loss

so to achive over unity as i understand we are to minimize our losses to the least posible amount or compensate some where elese with overunity operation that somewhere else would have to be 100% plus the place where it was lost to merly meet unity

ist

im gonna build another ring somthing just hit me

acerzw · « **Reply #2330 on:** September 10, 2007, 10:34:09 PM »

Povray is great, love that program.

Acerzw

giantkiller · « **Reply #2331 on:** September 10, 2007, 11:05:15 PM »

Quote from: acerzw on September 10, 2007, 10:34:09 PM

Povray is great, love that program.

Acerzw

Yep. Real dreamscape.
That with Visio and you're invincible.

--giantkiller.

bolt · « **Reply #2332 on:** September 11, 2007, 01:08:20 AM »

no its not necessary to have 100% efficiency to get over unity. In almost all cases of over unity it simply means you are tapping into to another energy source that is different to what you put in. eg a heat pump is well over unity. You might pay for 1kw of electric going in but then you extract 6kw of heat from your back yard but the efficiency of the electric pump and control circuit of your 1kw going in might only be 50%. Thus i get 3kw heating my house. However you only paid for 1kw so your getting 2kw more for free.

GK whats the status on the sig gen are the parts on order or have you got some bits in to play with?

innovation_station · « **Reply #2333 on:** September 11, 2007, 02:15:20 AM »

i really hope the tpu finishes its term verry soon the reason being a much bigger puzzel is emerging and we are being left in the cold

2012 look into it hummmmm.......... it all fits and it aint what we think!!!

isteam!!

giantkiller · « **Reply #2334 on:** September 11, 2007, 03:52:34 AM »

Quote from: bolt on September 11, 2007, 01:08:20 AM

no its not necessary to have 100% efficiency to get over unity. In almost all cases of over unity it simply means you are tapping into to another energy source that is different to what you put in. eg a heat pump is well over unity. You might pay for 1kw of electric going in but then you extract 6kw of heat from your back yard but the efficiency of the electric pump and control circuit of your 1kw going in might only be 50%. Thus i get 3kw heating my house. However you only paid for 1kw so your getting 2kw more for free.

GK whats the status on the sig gen are the parts on order or have you got some bits in to play with?

UPS picked up from xr2206s from Jameco today.
The arrival sequence is thus: the micro pic18F8720 platform, the ad826 amps, the xr2206 function gens kits. All shipped. As I wait I learn pic platform. Have parts all layed out for ad826 amp circuit. When xr2206 kits arrive I drop everything and build kits. Will take off work if weekday. The immense power that blew up ottos lab was a 2 coordinated square wave ecd. I know this circuit works. I had jumped on the square wave side and have a total platform setup for that. I neglected the sine wave side. Now I catch up. Then we play.

Sorry for the delay here.

--giantkiller.

bolt · « **Reply #2335 on:** September 11, 2007, 07:12:18 PM »

I'm very interested in Ottos mishap where can i read more about this? Can you point me to the right spot in the forum i searched but cant find it.

I been thinking more about this TPU theory and i have something else to think about. The large TPU bangs out about 800 volts. So im thinking this is = to one revolution of the virtual magnet cuts across 800 windings of the output coil is roughly = 800 volts by 800 turns = 1 volt per winding.

We know the frequncy hash on the DC is about 5000 Hz. So 5000 / 800 turns = 6.25 so there is some rounding off here. How about really the rotation is fixed and is the constant i was looking for the other day as it exist in all TPU's no matter what size. Now we have the 7.3 Hz our magical earth resonance * 800 turns = 5840 Hz

This is the same as a generator of a crank speed of 438 RPM. To get power out at this low speed means really heavy primary windings.

OK so far i think this looks good so why not make the output something more useful like 110 volts? So the large tpu is said to do about 1 amp maybe a little more but 1 is good. 800 volts * 1 amp = 800 watts. or the current flowing through the primary collector coil is 800 amps at 1 volt! Crikey the collector coil in the large tpu must be the size of car battery jump cables. Not quite though. I can see a trade off here with coupling and loading but the collector coils im sure consist of a few turns at least lets say 10 turn for the primary. In that case i think the current is reduced by a factor of 10 also so the primary collector now has to handle 80 amps at 0.1 volts per winding which should add up to 1 volt at 800 amps but now dissipated through out the primary collector coil.

So at 110 volts needs 110 turns on output coil watts 800/110 = 7.27 amps which is going to make that 800 turns of thin stuff pretty hot so there is an advantage to run the TPU with higher output voltages to overcome internal resistances of the windings when fully loaded.

The small tpu is said to be 100 watts at around 100 volts = 1 amp. If the wire ratio is true then the primary is supporting 100 amps at 1 volt over 10 tens. Or 10 amps per turn. The vid shots show this cable looks like 14 strand hook up wire so 10 amps seems ok to me.

Anyway im sure someone who knows the math properly can work all this out but more of the jigsaw when we can work out wire thickness and expected power handling between stages.

giantkiller · « **Reply #2336 on:** September 11, 2007, 08:18:02 PM »

Quote from: bolt on September 11, 2007, 07:12:18 PM

I'm very interested in Ottos mishap where can i read more about this? Can you point me to the right spot in the forum i searched but cant find it.

I been thinking more about this TPU theory and i have something else to think about. The large TPU bangs out about 800 volts. So im thinking this is = to one revolution of the virtual magnet cuts across 800 windings of the output coil is roughly = 800 volts by 800 turns = 1 volt per winding.

We know the frequncy hash on the DC is about 5000 Hz. So 5000 / 800 turns = 6.25 so there is some rounding off here. How about really the rotation is fixed and is the constant i was looking for the other day as it exist in all TPU's no matter what size. Now we have the 7.3 Hz our magical earth resonance * 800 turns = 5840 Hz This is the same as a generator of a crank speed of 438 RPM. To get power out at this low speed means really heavy primary windings.

OK so far i think this looks good so why not make the output something more useful like 110 volts? So the large tpu is said to do about 1 amp maybe a little more but 1 is good. 800 volts * 1 amp = 800 watts. or the current flowing through the primary collector coil is 800 amps at 1 volt! Crikey the collector coil in the large tpu must be the size of car battery jump cables. Not quite though. I can see a trade off here with coupling and loading but the collector coils im sure consist of a few turns at least lets say 10 turn for the primary. In that case i think the current is reduced by a factor of 10 also so the primary collector now has to handle 80 amps at 0.1 volts per winding which should add up to 1 volt at 800 amps but now dissipated through out the primary collector coil.

So at 110 volts needs 110 turns on output coil watts 800/110 = 7.27 amps which is going to make that 800 turns of thin stuff pretty hot so there is an advantage to run the TPU with higher output voltages to overcome internal resistances of the windings when fully loaded.

The small tpu is said to be 100 watts at around 100 volts = 1 amp. If the wire ratio is true then the primary is supporting 100 amps at 1 volt over 10 tens. Or 10 amps per turn. The vid shots show this cable looks like 14 strand hook up wire so 10 amps seems ok to me.

Anyway im sure someone who knows the math properly can work all this out but more of the jigsaw when we can work out wire thickness and expected power handling between stages.

Otto blew up an Oscope and other equipment. Ronotte went up to seem him with a replacement scope. I can't remember the date

ronotte · « **Reply #2337 on:** September 11, 2007, 08:28:08 PM »

@Bolt,

that's just my nightmare as From ECD I do obtain easily more then 800VDC (actually my windings are sparking between layers...)..but no more than 70W from a 230V lamp either in the Mobius DC pulsed way (between Phase & Zero points) or from a full floating secondary winding after rectification (Shotky bridge) and Capacitor levelling.

I tried in every way to change the 'copper' on coils but......as long as you put more turns.....you are going to have no 90 degrees coupling but rather only capacitance coupling!!.

Roberto

ronotte · « **Reply #2338 on:** September 11, 2007, 08:45:01 PM »

bolt · « **Reply #2339 on:** September 11, 2007, 09:46:26 PM »

forget about the 90 degree effect in the TPU its doesn't apply. Its true however that if you have 800 turns and you drive it with 12 volts square waves you will see 2000 or 3000 volts easily.

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