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Jdo300

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #1155 on: April 18, 2007, 08:25:48 PM »
O great Mister Frequency,
Please tell us about frequency mixing.

Two tones close in frequency generate a beat frequency at the difference of the frequencies, which in this case is subsonic.

For example, a 5000 Hz tone and 5010 Hz tone will produce a subsonic 10 Hz tone.
This is a tone we cannot hear.

But we can feel it  ;D
So, what happens with 3 frequency's??

Maybe two beat frequency's??
And when they come together??

Gee i have to think about that, thanks Mister Frequency.


O great DC Voltage produced by the electrical fields,
Would you care to talk with the o so great external magnetic field?

Maybe we both could have a little chat with the great queen of the AC currents.
Then the 3 of us can play a game.

Let's invite Mr ans Miss Frequency too,they know exactly how to play the game.
Perhaps we all can "kick" some ass.

Mister Schumann will be there too.
He knows all about specific numbers.

But i must warn you, he does not want you to come too close.
So try to keep an eye on him and keep it at some distance.

The winner of the game won't be cold.
Good luck to all.


I still think about these two early posts.
Great works guys.
Kent

Wow, I forgot that Sauron posted this! Thanks for bringing it back to our remembrance... I have been thinking that beat frequencies were important here!

Now take a look at what i found!!!

http://epaper.kek.jp/e92/PDF/EPAC1992_0599.PDF

"We present experimental results obtained in a beat-wave experiment performed with both Nd-YAG (1.064 mm) and Nd-YLF (1.053 imm) laser wavelengths in a D2 plasma. The two infrared beams together with a green probe beam are focused collinearly in a gas chamber filled with D2 at different pressures. The green light scattered by the plasma is observed at 0?, 10? and 30? from the incident direction. The 10? data clearly shows the presence of a resonancewhen the plasma frequency is close to the frequency difference between the two pump beams.

The need for new particle acceleration techniques has led us to investigate the possibility of using plasmas to convert the transverse electric field of a high power laser into a high amplitude high phase-velocity electrostatic field. Plasmas can sustain electric fields many orders of magnitude higher than available in conventional accelerating structures. A relativistic electron plasma wave is excited by two coprpagating intense laser beams with slightly different frequencies. This is a resonant process in which the natural oscillation frequency of the electrons ωp has to be close to the frequency difference 60 between the two beams."

Sooo.... Lets see.... two frequencies in the TPU say.... 5000 Hz and 5010 Hz beat together to make a 10 Hz frequency (can't tune to close) and this beat frequency couples to the 7.8 Hz Schumann resonance or Earth's electromagnetic field! There you go :).

God Bless,
Jason O

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #1156 on: April 18, 2007, 08:29:15 PM »
@Rosphere,
A floating gate becomes an antenna easily triggered by ambient noise. Now you have a delicate trigger circuit for feedback connection.

Bucking coils. Each coil pair, 1/3, 2/4 pulsed with the different frequency. The magnetic interference would be huge.

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« Last Edit: April 18, 2007, 09:18:35 PM by giantkiller »

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #1157 on: April 18, 2007, 09:14:29 PM »
@Rosphere,
A floating gate becomes an antenna easily triggered by ambient noise. Now you a delicate trigger circuit for feedback connection.

I will have to back you up on that.  I just discovered the "touch lamp," well, sort of.  When I hold the gate wire in my right hand and touch the ground with my left, the light goes off.  When I touch the plus, the light goes on.  I feel no shock or discomfort at all.

Weirdness begins after it is off and I just hold the gate wire for awhile.  Waves creep onto my scope as the light glows brighter and the waves grow in amplitude.  As they grow, every other wave crest is bigger; papa-wave, mama-wave, papa-wave, mama-wave, etc.  At one point I let go of the gate wire and the waves even out to half amplitude, with the bulb half brightness.

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #1158 on: April 18, 2007, 09:18:17 PM »
Hi Rosphere,

Great to see that you got the circuit working! But I don't recommend driving the gate without a cap on it. you can use a pickup coil scheme but letting the spikes from your coil go directly to the gate may blow your MOSFET. I know because I already killed one that way! Good work though! You should do some power measurements for the bulb and the power source to see what your COP is :).

In my case, my circuit ran on 4W from my power supply (25V @ 160 mA). You should try stacking the 9V batteries. to power it. I found that the circuit can run on a lot less voltage once you get it started. It just needs a good current boost to load the coil inductance for the first  BEMF kick. Otherwise, it will just run for a second or so and then cut off, or not start at all.

God Bless,
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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #1159 on: April 18, 2007, 09:25:29 PM »
Weirdness begins after it is off and I just hold the gate wire for awhile.  Waves creep onto my scope as the light glows brighter and the waves grow in amplitude.  As they grow, every other wave crest is bigger; papa-wave, mama-wave, papa-wave, mama-wave, etc.  At one point I let go of the gate wire and the waves even out to half amplitude, with the bulb half brightness.

More weirdness.  I was unable to reproduce the above anomaly.  But, with gate in right hand I touch the ground with left to ground out and turn-off the bulb.  Then I touch the coil with my left finger.  I get half/full brightness.  I let go and drop my left hand to my lap--the light goes out.  I raise my left hand above the plane of the coil and the light comes on.  Below, off.  Above, on.  Strange.

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #1160 on: April 18, 2007, 09:34:13 PM »
has anyone tryed to put your fet inside the coil yet between the opsing magfeilds?

im not to sure what would happin but i think the hall effect  might just come in to play i have not tryed any of this yet as i dont even have the money to buy the right fets yet

but im back to work soon and im sure things will get fun verry soon!

« Last Edit: April 20, 2007, 06:26:29 AM by innovation_station »

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #1161 on: April 18, 2007, 09:35:20 PM »
...I don't recommend driving the gate without a cap on it. you can use a pickup coil scheme but letting the spikes from your coil go directly to the gate may blow your MOSFET. I know because I already killed one that way!

Whew!  You got to me in time.  I put the cap back in.  My widdo 'fet tanks you.  :)

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #1162 on: April 18, 2007, 09:49:18 PM »
Weirdness begins after it is off and I just hold the gate wire for awhile.  Waves creep onto my scope as the light glows brighter and the waves grow in amplitude.  As they grow, every other wave crest is bigger; papa-wave, mama-wave, papa-wave, mama-wave, etc.  At one point I let go of the gate wire and the waves even out to half amplitude, with the bulb half brightness.

More weirdness.  I was unable to reproduce the above anomaly.  But, with gate in right hand I touch the ground with left to ground out and turn-off the bulb.  Then I touch the coil with my left finger.  I get half/full brightness.  I let go and drop my left hand to my lap--the light goes out.  I raise my left hand above the plane of the coil and the light comes on.  Below, off.  Above, on.  Strange.

This is quite bizarre.

I wonder what happens in free oscillation, with a bulb lit, if you turn your tpu over. I wonder if the light turns off.

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #1163 on: April 18, 2007, 10:12:13 PM »
I wonder what happens in free oscillation, with a bulb lit, if you turn your tpu over. I wonder if the light turns off.

Yes it will turn off after I flip it over and all my leads short and/or detach.  ;)


I get the feeling that I am currently in the process of learning how a MOSFET works.  I just put two used 9V's together in series for my power supply.  I get the same creepy effects as above but the ripple on my scope is gone.  It acts like a switch and sometimes variable resistor depending upon where you stick your gate wire.  All DC on my scope now.

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #1164 on: April 18, 2007, 10:29:11 PM »
Chaotic anomolies are hard to manage.

Of course MOSFETs aren't called 'Field Effect' for nothing. Hmmm. Stick 'em in the coil center?
@Otto, Non electrically connected/Isolated, Self oscillating, Field effected? What do you think about leaving the gate floating? Talk to me guy! You know you have been correct many times before ahead of the herd.

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« Last Edit: April 18, 2007, 11:12:21 PM by giantkiller »

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #1165 on: April 18, 2007, 11:19:21 PM »
When i put the fet in the coil it boogers up the effect. Sometimes it stops all togather.  Or like Rosphere's earlier post Momma-Poppa. spikes untill the oscilloations become unstable and stop.

Truning the ring over stops it. I think this has to do with bucking the earth's natural magnetic field. M.M.

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #1166 on: April 18, 2007, 11:29:33 PM »
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....I raise my left hand above the plane of the coil and the light comes on.  Below, off.  Above, on.  Strange.....
Rosphere

Unlike transistors, FETs are voltage controlled so it can be somewhere between conducting and not conducting when you touch the gate. So it acts like a "charge detector".
You can notice/reproduce this without the TPU.

To make the FET not so sensitive to disturbance, add a resistor (like 10kohm) from Gate to Ground. This way static electricity like from human body does not effect to it.
The less the resistance, more power is needed to control but less sensitive it is to disturbance.

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #1167 on: April 18, 2007, 11:37:30 PM »
Looks like I found this 4.3MHz wave, about 8 volts peak to trough, centered on 15V DC.

The red wire in the photo is the "gate antenna."  It likes to be where it is in the photo or no 4.3MHz.

EDIT: Thank you for the gate resistor tip, Sulake.  :)

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #1168 on: April 19, 2007, 12:03:06 AM »
Hi guys, after speaking with Ronotte on gn0sis, he pointed out a circuit called a blocking oscillator. I compared the two circuits. The one we came up with, and a few of blocking oscillators, and reading how they work, and explanations of them, It seems that is what we have done here. A mosfet based blocking oscillator. As for the anomalous things we've seen, I'm not so sure. Just that the circuit we have would do the same thing. Here's some more information on them.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blocking_oscillator

http://www.du.edu/~etuttle/electron/elect37.htm

I'm not saying that the TPU doesn't use blocking oscillators, just that it's definitely not the whole solution.

Attached is a diagram of a blocking oscillator, and our circuit. I'm sure you will see the similarities.


Regards,
Rich

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #1169 on: April 19, 2007, 12:39:46 AM »
if this helps i found a self oscillator that is full ban with it is patented so if interested I'll post the web site.       @ sulake - like the resistor trick but will a small peeking cap saddling the resistor increase the transit time ?   also if any one wants the daily schumanns earths hertz rate there is a site that has an appratus that tranmmits to the net daily for the information - free