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Rosphere

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #795 on: April 07, 2007, 02:03:27 AM »
...of 4 inch diameter sched 30 pvc(the thinner stuff)...

giantkiller,

Would you be so kind as to measure the wall thickness.  While you have your scale in hand, what do you measure for ID and OD?  (Just to verify the '4 inch sch-30 pvc' size for our friends overseas.)  Thanks in advance.

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« Last Edit: April 08, 2007, 03:14:07 AM by Rosphere »

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #796 on: April 07, 2007, 02:08:38 AM »
Interesting idea GK, seems like it should match with the open TPU if the finer wire has the same mass as the stranded in that version.

Looking forward to your results

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #797 on: April 07, 2007, 03:29:43 AM »
Looks like I woke some people up!
I pulsed straight off a 555 to a 50 ohm 5w with coil to ground.

The first picture shows leading and trailing edge kicks and rings. We can see the pulse train too.
But on a closely tuned coil the pulse train does not show up on the collector and you see nothing but kicks and ringing.
At this stage the v per div, amps, kick sizes doesn't matter. But here they are 500mv / div, 5.8ma, resonance at 400khz on a 5v circuit. What I am showing here is the mass of the collector and control copper equals.
Did I compute the turns electronically? No. Mechanically? No. Do what you want just don't change the mass.
I.D and O.D. doesn't matter. I just pulled shit off the shelf and turned it out, pulsed it, and viola! You get what you see. 11 hours worth of work.
The power out is after we get the trigger to ramp up to cyclical operation. I got scope shake. This thing wants to go higher.
It doesn't rotate a compass or move a buzzmag yet. 30 turns of 30 awg per quadrant is not enough.

Houston, we got progress. Sweet, eh?

--giantkiller. There will be no vicarious daydreaming here. Build.
« Last Edit: April 07, 2007, 04:04:36 AM by giantkiller »

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #798 on: April 07, 2007, 02:16:39 PM »
Oooh! Wow!
I'd just finish wiring GK4.  Do I come late!!  :P

Look Great...

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #799 on: April 07, 2007, 03:31:44 PM »
...resonance at 400khz...
...I.D and O.D. doesn't matter...

giantkiller,

Please at least humor me with a wall thickness.  I may be wrong but I think that it is too soon to send the diameter jury home.

Your 400kHz frequency was smiling at me this morning from a spreadsheet that I made last night based on your given OD: 3.194GHz/2^13=390kHz.

When I introduce a slight wall thickness, by reducing the starting build diameter to place the diameter on a point in the center of the rings section profile, the error rate drops.

On second thought, let us have some fun with this.  Give me your best measured resonance frequency, (with the number of significant figures,) and I will tell you your wall thickness based on your given OD and resonant frequency.

Yeah, this could all be coincidence; like that time when I wound my first coil and flipped on my first oscilloscope.  I discovered the earth's resonant magnetic... local radio station.  :-[

Someone somewhere got a kick out of seeing that discovery, I am sure.  :D

Thanks man,
Rosphere
« Last Edit: April 08, 2007, 03:13:24 AM by Rosphere »

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #800 on: April 07, 2007, 03:53:12 PM »
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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #801 on: April 07, 2007, 05:17:59 PM »
Oooh! Wow!
I'd just finish wiring GK4.  Do I come late!!  :P

Look Great...
Thanks.
Nope. You power up by specs and don't touch the ring.  It generates microwave. :o
Use Neodymium(neos) taped to a wooden stick as a tool.

OBTW check this out: http://www.unitednuclear.com/magnets.htm

-giantkiller.
« Last Edit: April 07, 2007, 05:41:39 PM by giantkiller »

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #802 on: April 07, 2007, 05:22:19 PM »
...resonance at 400khz...
...I.D and O.D. doesn't matter...

giantkiller,

Please at least humor me with a wall thickness.  I may be wrong but I think that it is too soon to send the diameter jury home.

Your 400kHz frequency was smiling at me this morning from a spreadsheet that I made last night based on your given OD: 3.194GHz/2^13=390kHz.  (See spreadsheet view below.)

When I introduce a slight wall thickness, by reducing the starting build diameter to place the diameter on a point in the center of the rings section profile, the error rate drops.

On second thought, let us have some fun with this.  Give me your best measured resonance frequency, (with the number of significant figures,) and I will tell you your wall thickness based on your given OD and resonant frequency.

Yeah, this could all be coincidence; like that time when I wound my first coil and flipped on my first oscilloscope.  I discovered the earth's resonant magnetic... local radio station.  :-[

Someone somewhere got a kick out of seeing that discovery, I am sure.  :D

Thanks man,
Rosphere

Sorry for the fustration. I know you got the flu. Here ya go. Wall thickness.

--giantkiller. Envision, intend, relenquish, enjoy.

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #803 on: April 07, 2007, 06:55:39 PM »
Thank you...
I'll not touch the ring... 

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #804 on: April 08, 2007, 01:44:29 AM »
When something out of the ordinary appears, one must ask with curiosity and not with prejudice.

--giantkiller. You can quote me.

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #805 on: April 08, 2007, 02:07:26 AM »
Ok then, Just out of curiosity what did you discover?

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #806 on: April 08, 2007, 02:48:41 AM »
...(5) 23 foot lengths...
...a 1 inch height of 4 inch diameter sched 30 pvc(the thinner stuff) [0.0695" thick]...
...the 4 control coil segments of 30 turns each..

30 turns, at a bit over 2 inches per turn, makes almost 5 and a half feet for each control coil.  Where are the other 17 and a half feet?  I am so confused.

Did you mean, (2) 23 foot lengths, one uncut length wrapped around the ring-circumference and the other length wrapped around the ring-profile as 4 cut sections?

If so, I highly suggest removing three winds, (from current 30 down to 27 winds per quadrant profile-wound control coil,) without cutting the length.

Also, are you pulsing like 390,721 where N N appears to be 90 degrees apart from N1 N1?


This will be my last post for awhile.  I will be far away from the grid for many a day.  Be kind to one another.  Post no crap.  If you did, then take it down.  Later, taters!  :D

Rosphere
« Last Edit: April 08, 2007, 04:08:52 AM by Rosphere »

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #807 on: April 08, 2007, 03:03:23 AM »
 
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« Last Edit: April 20, 2007, 08:38:42 AM by innovation_station »

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #808 on: April 08, 2007, 03:53:02 AM »
If he is pulsing a coil to make a mag field, then he is probably takeing a mesurement from the vertical coil. which would read in the MV scale. from this he can see what the resonance of the field is from the tiney currant in the vertical coil, then drive the circuit with the correct freq. More of a magfield test IMHO than an attempt to gather any power. ;)

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #809 on: April 08, 2007, 04:24:06 AM »
...(5) 23 foot lengths...
...a 1 inch height of 4 inch diameter sched 30 pvc(the thinner stuff) [0.0695" thick]...
...the 4 control coil segments of 30 turns each..

30 turns, at a bit over 2 inches per turn, makes almost 5 and a half feet for each control coil.  Where are the other 17 and a half feet?  I am so confused.

Did you mean, (2) 23 foot lengths, one uncut length wrapped around the ring-circumference and the other length wrapped around the ring-profile as 4 cut sections?

If so, I highly suggest removing three winds, (from current 30 down to 27 winds per quadrant profile-wound control coil,) without cutting the length.

Also, are you pulsing like 390,721 where N N appears to be 90 degrees apart from N1 N1?

Rosphere[/b]

The control coils are 4 sections.
The bucking coils are nn ss all connected together.