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innovation_station

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #705 on: March 30, 2007, 12:32:34 AM »
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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #706 on: March 30, 2007, 12:49:39 AM »
heres a thought-  in looking back t what SM started with a flyback transformer from an old TV set. So i been studying the construction of these and see the air gap is what makes them unique as this type of transformer. The air gap is what holds the energy that boosts the power up. I believe that the 4 magnets is just a containment Field that holds the electron Field in place so there just not flying all over the place and migrating. The steel garden wire i believe is the armature of the torrid devise and the primary winding would be a large size copper wire say 12AGW and the Primary a much smaller wire say 30 AGW. the another unique thing about the fly back is in order for it to work only one coil at a time needs to be energized ( the primary or secondary), now in most flybacks thees a 3 coil - the bias coil, this coil is there to control the spike that the secondary or the Primary coil gives off when the electricity is removed and the Field collapses amid produces the EMF, This EMF energy is sucked up in the air gap and is boosting the output of the transformer. The 4 magnets hold the EMF electrons on this air gap - more electron in the air gap = more power. also the bias coil tunes the flyback -reajusting the bias using the royer circuit will boost the whole mechanism.      In the cook coil patent it shows the coils and how that operate but what it doest show (intellectual property) i believe is the switching mechanism. This circuit operates the coil output and starts the coils. In the Hubbard patents the 8 coils on the outside of the main coil is a containment Field for the electron in the air gap. i believe in the cook coil the switching patent is in a separate patent -i haven't searched for it as the technology may be moot with the newer switching devises we have today. On the primary coil were working on- the primary ring winding has 4 coils wraped 90 degrees , energizeing and denergizeing these create a EMF field that inturn keep the flow of electrons flowing around the ring. The secondary has no coils around it but in turn when the feild is colaped and the primary coil is in the off mode the secondary kicks on (spike) this energy is sucked up in the air gap as electrons to be used as electrical energy output. just something to ponder  Thanks Mike  :o
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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #707 on: March 30, 2007, 03:32:32 AM »
@ Inovation : did you study the link i left on page 67 ( International rectafier ) PDF file on designing flaybacks .  A must read  here it is again  http://www.irf.com/technical-info/appnotes/an-1024.pdf   notice the section on the bias coil and take into cosideration on noise and capacitance. and why toriods are not sutable for this type transformer. .. Thanks Mike
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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #708 on: March 30, 2007, 04:41:23 AM »
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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #709 on: March 30, 2007, 04:58:17 AM »
@ Innovation ...no i didn't misunderstand LOL ..I feel that is a possability too- some one needs to look that direction in this reasearch , glad you are looking into it. I'm building what i call my big washer TPU 4 in in dai. 2 primarys and 2 secondarys 15mm air gap 4 small magnets in gap. going to try cycleing the primarys to flux the capacitors into life. Then try the secondarys no coils just the bias . thanks Mike
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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #710 on: March 30, 2007, 05:10:50 AM »
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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #711 on: March 30, 2007, 06:34:58 AM »
Folks, this should not be this difficult. I mean, magnets, high voltage flybacks? Square coils? exotic or dissimilar metals? This can all be done if you want to spend the next decade working on this thing. But if you extrapolate the information from all the players here it is clear that none of that is needed.

The culmination of 60+ posts is:

Physical:

1 coil of copper of 3-10 turns 3" to 7" diameter of guage 12 to 4 wire or tubing.

4 control coils wound 90 degrees to collector coil and 90 degrees in circumference to each other. 30 to 18 guage wire.

Electronics:

It's clear now that all this needs is a circular CCW pulsing system controlling the four coils. Using NPN transistors or mosfets with decent timing in between each coil firing. 300mA or less per firing at 5VDC. Timing done so that the collector doesn't stay in complete saturation but rather has clear pauses between each coil firing. This being air core means that even 5Khz is slow compared to what the air core could handle, but sufficient for creating the effect. LC resonance? I don't think it's needed. If the extra amplification is desired then it's easily obtained by slightly increasing power levels to the control coils, or adding a calculated capacitance to create an LC tank.

See attached simple pulsing circuit to get the idea. This is where I am working. The second circuit I am building will be a microcontroller based system where more precise timing can be achieved, but I honestly don't think it's needed.

Flow with the microcontroller would look like the following:

Automatic mode:
1. pulse coils 1-4 and check collector coil output via AD converter.
2. Continue to increase frequency as coils 1-4 are fired.
3. Record collector output power levels and continue until maximum voltage is recorded.
4. Once highest possible voltage has been found, check temperature of collector coil via AD converter. If heat levels are higher than ~150F then decrease frequency until heat level drops, sampling every 1mS.
5. Post temperature, voltage, and frequency to LCD screen.

Maybe I've missed something but it just doesn't seem like it needs to be changed six different ways to sunday in order to get it to work. When I say work I mean produce 2x the input. Even this would be miraculous to an engineer but it's clear from the videos and information that it should be easily possible with this configuration.

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #712 on: March 30, 2007, 06:41:28 AM »
In the above schematic the system works as follows:

Function gen fires coil one. Coil one has a feedback winding of 3-5 turns. This feedback fires NPN trans on coil 2, thereby firing control coil 2. Coil 2 has a feedback same as coil 1 that fires NPN trans on coil 3, and the cascade effect continues.

Frequency from the generator controls saturation of the field and thus the magnetic wave that encircles the collector coil. Frequency is changed manually until highest voltage on collector is obtained. Frequency is recorded and the freq gen is swapped out with 555 timer or some other form of pulse train circuitry that is then fixed at the optimum frequency for the given coil.

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #713 on: March 30, 2007, 07:22:19 AM »
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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #714 on: March 30, 2007, 07:38:25 AM »
Getting set up to build. Circuit should take 8 hours or so to build and tune. Would be nice to see what results have been found by others in order to minimize time wasted.

Microcontroller based system will only be built if first circuit shows a small but measurable output on collector coil.

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #715 on: March 30, 2007, 07:48:41 AM »
Hello UF,

if you use 2N2222 transistors I hope you have a lot of them.

Otto

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #716 on: March 30, 2007, 08:00:08 AM »
Getting set up to build. Circuit should take 8 hours or so to build and tune. Would be nice to see what results have been found by others in order to minimize time wasted.

Microcontroller based system will only be built if first circuit shows a small but measurable output on collector coil.

@uncclefester

q1  must als have resistors as R1/R4  (Base-Volt-Divider-resistors.

@ otto

in europe BC 337  do the same.

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #717 on: March 30, 2007, 03:53:13 PM »
@UncleFester,

Instead of the signal generator approach why not try using an external magnet to trigger the process?, configure the feedback & control loops to be circular (self triggering, by adding another feedback coil) and use the magnet to start it, the coils would then tend to oscillate at their natural frequency(ies). No circuit tunning necessary since the coils would self align to their sweet spot. The only consideration would be the coils length to tune, Just a thought.

This is the direction I am working on at the moment, self resonance.

I forgot to mention, use a variable resistor in the base divider circuits to tune the sensitivity of the triggers and a diode on the control coils to protect the transistors from the BEMF spikes.
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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #718 on: March 30, 2007, 04:34:17 PM »
One other thing I feel is important is that the drive circuit should be able to run using a 9Vdc battery so this provides us a current and voltage limit for the operation. So this would mean our current source would be less than 800mA, therefore our circuit must be designed with these limits in mind.

After a working model is determined we can then look at closing the power loop to self power after startup.

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #719 on: March 30, 2007, 06:06:43 PM »
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