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innovation_station

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #645 on: March 27, 2007, 07:49:16 PM »
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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #646 on: March 27, 2007, 07:50:35 PM »
best to  crawl b4 we run

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #647 on: March 27, 2007, 08:04:39 PM »
Hi innovation_station,

What you are essentially creating in that case is an electrical analog of the water hammer effect, which is that big thud you hear in loosely tied water pipes when you abruptly shut off a water faucet! Only in our case, that thud is a burst of energy from the coils :-). For those of us TPU veterans, remember this quote?

"Lets talk about the 'kick.' When the old Edison DC generators were turned on, back in the day, they released this 'kick' and killed many workers in the process. A man by the name of Tesla had seen this. He wondered how and why this 'kick' would occur. So he experimented with wire and disruptive discharges from capacitors. It was found by him that this kick could be made so powerful that it could explode wires instantly. This kick came out of the wires perpendicularly. He discharged capacitors into stout wire and through a spark gap. The key to the kick's strength and appearance was in how fast Tesla discharged the capacitors into the spark gap AND how fast Tesla STOPPED the flow of current AT the spark gap. Tesla used all types of devices to stop this flow of current, magnets, a flame, counter-rotating engines. His goals were to get the time in which the discharge is STOPPED to be much quicker. As Tesla did this he found that the perpendicular radiations, the ones from the wires, caused electrical effects to appear in wires and other copper/metal materials near the STOPPED current/discharge. These electrical effects could be made to create electrons on other wires and copper around his STOPPED current/discharge wire."

Enough Said... lets build this thing :-).

God Bless,
Jason O

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #648 on: March 27, 2007, 08:20:49 PM »
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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #649 on: March 27, 2007, 08:31:32 PM »
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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #650 on: March 27, 2007, 08:56:56 PM »
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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #651 on: March 27, 2007, 10:06:30 PM »
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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #652 on: March 27, 2007, 10:14:22 PM »
the pics of the test i did last night as i said i would post

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how are you hooking those wires up exactly?

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #653 on: March 27, 2007, 10:19:07 PM »
Here's an additional piece of info:
The GK4 has 18awg bailing/iron wire collectors and 30awg copper controls. By winding at 90 degrees the maximum amount of material interface is met between 2 dissimilar metals.


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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #654 on: March 27, 2007, 10:27:12 PM »
i must start collecting materials but what would reccomend for the caps? i have some small ones and varous uf but my laque of knowalge with caps and transistors is my biggest problem

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Well, for what we want, my thought is that we want to use a somewhat high value cap (because we want to smack the coil, not oscillate with it). Also, a decent voltage wouldn't be a bad thing.

Since it seems that the coils on the open TPU are farely short, that means that it would require a small value cap (< 1 uF) to resonate with the coil. But again, it depends on the frequency that you pulse the coil with. Though, as a rough guess (based on my personal experiments alone), I always use a 1000 uF electrolytic cap that's rated for 100V. They are small and can be found in power supplies (actually the power supply caps hold more voltage). Plus, if you look at the caps in the 17 inch TPU, you can tell that they are electrolytic also.

BTW, thought I would share with you all a simple experiment I did recently with my 555 pulse circuit, the aforementioned cap, and a 1:1 toroidal transformer. First, I had the cap continuously charged from my 20V 500mA DC power supply. From there, the cap was connected through a MOSFET into the primary side of my transformer. I used my 555 circuit to switch on and off the MOSFET which dumped the cap through the transformer. The secondary side of the transformer was connected through a bridge recrifier to a high voltage cap which my DMM was measuring the voltage on.

I noticed that when I tuned the frequency of the 555 timer just right, I got about 100-200V on the cap. But after I began to play with the duty cycle, thats when the fun started. The smaller the duty cycle on my square wave, the higher and higher the voltage on the secondary would climb. At one point, I managed to get it up as high as 400V+! Keep in mind that this was a weenie little 1:1 transformer not a step up transformer. The key to this was simply the on time of the wave! Also, I noticed that the steeper the rise and fall times of the wave the better the results as well. This is consistent with what Tesla observed.

So the faster we shut the switch on and off, the more radiant energy we get.

Oh, one more thing I should mention... The shorter rise times allowed my cap to stay charged to the same voltage without using much input current to maintain it... So in other words, the shorter the pulses, the less current you need to replenish your cap... Which means that you can take some of the output and use it to top off the cap without needing to keep it tied to a power supply.

God Bless,
Jason O

P.S. Caps also like high voltage spikes :-).

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #655 on: March 27, 2007, 10:34:34 PM »
Also, for the transistors... well. first of all. Don't use transistors, use MOSFETS. They don't need significant current to switch on (in the nanoamps). and as for the type you need. You want a MOSFET with the lowest gate capacitance. What this means is that the MOSFET will switch on faster when the required voltage is applied to it. The gate is essentially a capacitor, and we know that small caps charge up faster than large ones. This is the only factor that will determine how fast the MOSFET can switch on and off. Theoretically, a MOSFET has infinite rise time if you could charge it up with an infinite voltage spike. So the MOSFETs are as close to a switch as we will get as far as I understand. Also, get something that can handle at least 100V at 1A. They are cheap and readily available at RadioShack for about $2.00 each.

God Bless,
Jason O

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #656 on: March 27, 2007, 10:39:03 PM »
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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #657 on: March 27, 2007, 10:42:42 PM »
the pics of the test i did last night as i said i would post

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how are you hooking those wires up exactly?

i hooked up the wires like this

the steel welding wire to the volt meter  only 1 end the other end i touched

the speeker wire was wound bifolar and connected togather at 1 end and i touched the other i touched with my finger  and the last wire was to the volt meter so there was no connection between the steel wire and the speeker wire some how the small voltage from me went from steel to copper without any connection between

strange but it worked as you can see in the pic

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Nice proof. And you were going to leave? I think not after this. You are now a permanent resident.
Welcome to the fray.

--giantkiller.

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #658 on: March 27, 2007, 10:56:00 PM »
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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #659 on: March 27, 2007, 11:06:33 PM »
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