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innovation_station

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #555 on: March 24, 2007, 10:16:50 PM »
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Re: Lords of the Ring
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Re: Lords of the Ring
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Re: Lords of the Ring
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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #559 on: March 25, 2007, 12:10:45 AM »
Hello All,

This discussion about square coils is definitely intriguing. If I could throw in my two cents worth, the square corners mean that you have only vertical and horizontal runs of wires in the unit. If we go back to Mr. Mark's explanation of the basic principle of operation:

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Let us say that you have a magnetic field perhaps it is only a small permanent magnet. Now, you have a single copper wire twelve inches long. If you move the magnet across the surface of the wire from left to right at a certain speed you create an electron flow which is DC and it has a power potential based on how strong the field is and how fast the magnet is moved. So, if you increase the size of the magnet or the speed it moves you create a larger flow of electrons, larger as in higher voltage or more current.

Everyone tells us that the earth's magnetic field is measured as being too insignificant to generate any useable power, that is not so.
Let me give you something to think about...  If you had a short wire and you moved a magnet across it you would always have limited potential because the length of wire was so short. OK now what if we increase the length of the wire to many miles in length, even with a very weak magnetic field moving across the wire you still have a much greater potential flow of power available.  If we put it into a perspective of power per inch it may be easier to understand.

If you have a small magnetic field moving across a wire twelve inches long it can generate an electron flow equal to lets say one millivolt per inch. If you move the magnet twelve inches at the same speed you get 12 millivolts as you transgress the twelve inches of wire. Understand that I am trying to convey a principal that you can understand for use in the future.

So, you have a wire twelve inches long and you can make 12 millivolts moving a magnet across it. If you have a wire 1000 feet long and you move the same small magnetic field across the length of it you can create much more voltage potential perhaps 12,000 millivolts lets say. So, you have managed to generate a significant amount of electric power with a weak magnetic force.

OK, how does this help us? Where am I going with this?

Suppose you have 1,000 pieces of wire twelve inches long and you run the same weak magnetic field over them all at the same time..... you get the same flow of electrons.

If the wires are run in series then you will get the 12,000 millivolts etc. If you connect the wires in parallel you will get higher current but lower voltage.  However, the power potential is the same whether you run the wires in series or parallel.

If you know how to find the circuit potential, tune into the frequency, and you have enough short pieces of wire, you can convert as much power as you wish in a given space.

Things are more complex then what I have told you but I am just trying to give you an idea of how the technology works.

Since there is a high speed rotating field inside the coil, having coils that are vertical and straight would make sense to get the most force out of the field as it cuts across the coil... But then again, there is obviously more going on than basic magnetic induction when you take into account the radiant energy effects from generating the kicks.

By the way, I attached a photo of my latest TPU below. It is wound on an empty tape roll, which is about 3 inches in diameter. the collector is five turns of speaker wire and the control windings are each 31 turns of 22 gauge solid wire (just what I had laying around). Unfortunately, I didn't cut all four of my coils precisely the same length so when I measured the resistance of each winding, there was a 20% deviation between the high and low value coil (from between 0.257 Ohms to 0.303 Ohms.) I also measured the inductance and capacitance of each coil at 1 kHz, 10 kHz, 100 kHz, and 1 MHz in case that info would be useful for tuning. I attached an Excel chart showing the values I measured. Some values I didn't get because I was using the equipment at work after hours and had to go home Also, I was using a lot of BNC cabling to rig up the hp4980A I used to take the measurements and the cables weren?t compensated so some of the measurements may be off, not sure.

God Bless,
Jason O

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #560 on: March 25, 2007, 03:23:45 AM »
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Re: Lords of the Ring
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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #562 on: March 25, 2007, 05:03:20 AM »
"black hole ring" Tetsuo Okamoto,JP11150938
"M type generator" Mitsukuni Motoshita,JP63001364

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #563 on: March 25, 2007, 05:57:10 AM »
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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #564 on: March 25, 2007, 06:49:20 AM »
It's a coil!
Here's the newest addition to the ring family. Let's welcome 'Mighty Little' to the TPU fold.
I'll be giving the ankle biter its first pulse in the morning. I might have to add another outer coil if the little guy runs cold.

--giantkiller. Proud parent.
« Last Edit: March 25, 2007, 09:16:49 AM by giantkiller »

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #565 on: March 25, 2007, 07:16:03 AM »
why did sm use cork in his core?

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to reduce wear on the coils the cork works as a shock absour when the coils vibrate plus its non conductive and mag waves goes through the cork easly

The most interesting aspect I find about SM's device is its lack of an iron core. This means his device was not using stored energy and is mainly dependent on an EM field. I'm following SM's amagnetic(nonmagnetic) core design since it is verifiable from his videos along with his implementation of 2 frequencies.

Interestingly, there is a giant toroid fusion generator named the "KSTAR"  which has a vacuumed metal vessel as its core. I don't know what the vessel's alloy is made of but my theory points toward amagnetic properties (ie: aluminum or high grade stainless steel). 

KSTAR presentation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dvkl_UNFpeo

Does anyone know if an iron core would interfere with a rotating EM field?

Edit: The KSTAR vacuum vessel is made of high grade 316LN stainless steel. (Stated in page 6). The use of an amagnetic core must be important!
KSTAR Source: http://w3.pppl.gov/theory/bin/PAPERS/paper2000b.pdf
SS Grades: http://www.mceproducts.com/knowledge-base/article/article-dtl.asp?id=18

Where does the 3 core toroid design come from? I notice a few users here are using it and didn't notice it in any of SM's videos.
« Last Edit: March 25, 2007, 08:33:29 AM by simonmagus »

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #566 on: March 25, 2007, 09:58:06 AM »
Hello All,

This discussion about square coils is definitely intriguing. If I could throw in my two cents worth, the square corners mean that you have only vertical and horizontal runs of wires in the unit. If we go back to Mr. Mark's explanation of the basic principle of operation:

Quote
Let us say that you have a magnetic field perhaps it is only a small permanent magnet. Now, you have a single copper wire twelve inches long. If you move the magnet across the surface of the wire from left to right at a certain speed you create an electron flow which is DC and it has a power potential based on how strong the field is and how fast the magnet is moved. So, if you increase the size of the magnet or the speed it moves you create a larger flow of electrons, larger as in higher voltage or more current.

Everyone tells us that the earth's magnetic field is measured as being too insignificant to generate any useable power, that is not so.
Let me give you something to think about...  If you had a short wire and you moved a magnet across it you would always have limited potential because the length of wire was so short. OK now what if we increase the length of the wire to many miles in length, even with a very weak magnetic field moving across the wire you still have a much greater potential flow of power available.  If we put it into a perspective of power per inch it may be easier to understand.

If you have a small magnetic field moving across a wire twelve inches long it can generate an electron flow equal to lets say one millivolt per inch. If you move the magnet twelve inches at the same speed you get 12 millivolts as you transgress the twelve inches of wire. Understand that I am trying to convey a principal that you can understand for use in the future.

So, you have a wire twelve inches long and you can make 12 millivolts moving a magnet across it. If you have a wire 1000 feet long and you move the same small magnetic field across the length of it you can create much more voltage potential perhaps 12,000 millivolts lets say. So, you have managed to generate a significant amount of electric power with a weak magnetic force.

OK, how does this help us? Where am I going with this?

Suppose you have 1,000 pieces of wire twelve inches long and you run the same weak magnetic field over them all at the same time..... you get the same flow of electrons.

If the wires are run in series then you will get the 12,000 millivolts etc. If you connect the wires in parallel you will get higher current but lower voltage.  However, the power potential is the same whether you run the wires in series or parallel.

If you know how to find the circuit potential, tune into the frequency, and you have enough short pieces of wire, you can convert as much power as you wish in a given space.

Things are more complex then what I have told you but I am just trying to give you an idea of how the technology works.

Since there is a high speed rotating field inside the coil, having coils that are vertical and straight would make sense to get the most force out of the field as it cuts across the coil... But then again, there is obviously more going on than basic magnetic induction when you take into account the radiant energy effects from generating the kicks.

By the way, I attached a photo of my latest TPU below. It is wound on an empty tape roll, which is about 3 inches in diameter. the collector is five turns of speaker wire and the control windings are each 31 turns of 22 gauge solid wire (just what I had laying around). Unfortunately, I didn't cut all four of my coils precisely the same length so when I measured the resistance of each winding, there was a 20% deviation between the high and low value coil (from between 0.257 Ohms to 0.303 Ohms.) I also measured the inductance and capacitance of each coil at 1 kHz, 10 kHz, 100 kHz, and 1 MHz in case that info would be useful for tuning. I attached an Excel chart showing the values I measured. Some values I didn't get because I was using the equipment at work after hours and had to go home Also, I was using a lot of BNC cabling to rig up the hp4980A I used to take the measurements and the cables weren?t compensated so some of the measurements may be off, not sure.

God Bless,
Jason O

hi Jason
do you think something like this is used in the tpu?
it is also square at the top and bottom.

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #567 on: March 25, 2007, 10:04:32 AM »
Ok, here is my first baby tpu.

Sauron, how should I feed this little guy?

The control coils are bifilar.

Thanks Sauron for all the help and pointers.

~Dan

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #568 on: March 25, 2007, 10:14:18 AM »
hi Jason ,GK and Dansway nice coils.
somebody mentioned the smaller tpu's need the higher driving frequency's.
so personally i think those would be harder to "tune"
but that's just a guess.

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #569 on: March 25, 2007, 10:26:25 AM »
on how to feed we can look back to find a clue.

Now to the question of the little pieces of wire
and the magnet.  I don't remember anyone anwering this
to your or Mr. Mark's satisfaction.  Let me have a go.
 When you move a magnet across a wire you generate a
current in that wire.  However, what was not iterated
is that the amount of current generated is not only a
matter of the strength of the magnet, but rather the
SPEED and distance at which that magnet is moved
across that wire.  Thus when we speak of moving the
magnet across a small piece of wire at the speed of a
gunshot, you generate a very sudden, high voltage
spike in that little piece of wire.  Conversely, if
you could move that wire crossways through even a weak
magnetic field with few flux likes, you could generate
a voltage spike.  In essence Mark is doing this in his
toroid.  He states he is running at about 5kHz.  For
four coils (like the one that is open on the cardboard
box in his garage with two lamps), he may be banging
two opposed coils simultaneously with spikes, with the
magnet forcing one direction, or he is running them
sequentially.  For the sequential version, that would
mean the "magnetic flux North" (for lack of a better
way to describe it) passes one spot in the toroid 1250
times per second.  The RPM of the flux would therefore
be AT LEAST 75,000RPM.  Can you imagine the kind of
power you might generate from Neo mgnets in an
armature near windings if you COULD rev that puppy up
to 75,000RPM?  Only this toroid has no back EMF when a
load is put on the wires.


 When we look at the earth's magnetic field, there
are some weird things to look at.  Does a high-speed
rotational flux field draw or lense or concentrate
flux lines into  a Mark device?  Maybe that is exactly
what it does.  This simply ADDS more density to the
field.  However, something else strikes me more
simply.  Mark has set up his terrific sequential
pulsed magnetic field with a small battery (who cares
if there is a battery - that point is moot when you
look at the power out) which rotates nearly twice as
fast as the bullet from a high powered rifle.  It
creates enormous numbers of flux lines crossing wires
per second.  That is key and it takes little power.
Once power is established, one could take a tiny
amount from the output and run the circuit, so again
the battery is moot.  The main thing is the device's
strange reaction to physical movement.  I attribute
this to the ENORMOUS impact of the SPEED at which the
magnetic flux moves.