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starcruiser

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #375 on: March 01, 2007, 05:13:33 PM »
@GK,

Build the Bendini control circuit, try using that to power the coils. I built it last night and tested it (without the coils) and we get real nice positive going pulses. Tonights test is with my last TPU, top and bottom coils all in series. The center coil will be wired in series as well but used as the feedback. The outter coil (used to be feedback) will be the collector in this setup. Do not use the traditional collectors in this test.

I used the following transistors

NTE 123a
NTE 196
NTE 197

(edited the transistors, had a typo)

The thing I will need to determine is if the outter coil (feedback/collector in this case) will need to be reverse wound.

The next step will be to use a FWBR on its output and then maybe use a large value cap to collect the output.

The cool thing about doing this test is that no major re-work of the TPU is required, The only issue I potentially see is if the current control coils series resistance is sufficient to produce the field and not load the PS or generate a lot of heat in the control coils.

So to summarize my next experiement is the following;

1. Each layer of the TPU's control coils are in series

2. The Top and Bottom control coils are connected in series to increase the resistance and field strength.

3. The middle layer is the feedback to the above mentioned trigger/oscillator circuit.

Did I forget to mention the use of a magnet here???

4. Place a neo magnet on the inside of the TPU next to the middle layer (feedback coil) to initiate the oscillator.

If this experiement goes well and produces interesting results the next step is to build the TPU the right way.

You ask yourself what is the right way?

Well the right way is to use a coil wrapped in a loop (6" dia) using 30ga (maybe 32ga) magnet wire so the total resistance is at least 60 ohms or better (maybe more R?? gotta check this out).

Then wind 2 collectors using 16ga stranded in a loop as well using 24 turns. These are the collectors that can be either in series or parallel. THese wil be placed on the top and bottom of the control/exciter coil.

The Feedback coil will be located in the center of the TPU (small torrid) that will trigger the control/oscillator circuit.

Sounding familar yet?

The Larger TPU's use this design, GK showed this in the last pix he posted showing a cross section of the larger TPU.

Me Thinks we are very close here.

It appears to me that this concept uses an air core transformer with roughly a 28:1 winding ratio (at least with how my last TPU was wound). Also looks very similar to Bendini's battery charger circuit.

GK what do you think of this design/operation?
« Last Edit: March 01, 2007, 05:53:46 PM by starcruiser »

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #376 on: March 01, 2007, 08:44:38 PM »
 :)
« Last Edit: June 12, 2007, 10:21:42 AM by joe dirt »

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #377 on: March 01, 2007, 09:03:57 PM »
@starcruiser,
I see the top and bottom controls in series within the segments and the the top and bottom connected in series to impress a squeeze on the middle collector. And all of us that have coils of this wind configuration can jumper in a myriad of paths. So, yes it is good. And the Bedini bemf loop stuck in my mind too. I got a loose association with the stun gun triggered by some part of the TPU as feedback from the Bedini posts about the Little Girl circuit. I was discussing this with MRD10 in Perth and we both agreed that the Bedini was a mechanical version of the TPU. From what you posted, that idea gains more solid ground. The weekend is coming up. Time to really grab some more turf on this issue. I will try your jumps this weekend and fire it with a single gun.
@Grumpy,
yes, I will check out the wire lengths. The backtrack to lamp wire makes project direction changes, temporary or permanent, almost instantaneous. And thanks for the clear post.
@all,
as you can see, patience is king.
@Mannix,
I don't remember seeing this anywhere but maybe the ss in the middle of the ring compression field gives the effect of tube operation. After all there are 2 energies, the EM and RE. Also, could SM have put a spark gap in the TPUs? Like the small ones in the stunguns on the circuit boards, not the external electrode?

--giantkiller. Thanks guys.
« Last Edit: March 01, 2007, 09:57:00 PM by giantkiller »

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #378 on: March 01, 2007, 11:28:17 PM »
O great Mister Frequency,
Please tell us about frequency mixing.

Two tones close in frequency generate a beat frequency at the difference of the frequencies, which in this case is subsonic.

For example, a 5000 Hz tone and 5010 Hz tone will produce a subsonic 10 Hz tone.
This is a tone we cannot hear.

But we can feel it  ;D
So, what happens with 3 frequency's??

Maybe two beat frequency's??
And when they come together??

Gee i have to think about that, thanks Mister Frequency.

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Rotating Field TYPE.
« Reply #379 on: March 02, 2007, 01:47:34 AM »
Question for group.

When SM spoke of a Rotating Field, did he mean:


1.  Rotating Back & Forth like a washing machine agitator?

OR

2.  Continuously rotating like water going down a drain?


Each one has its own circuit implications.

Thank you.

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #380 on: March 02, 2007, 03:14:57 AM »
Well I just tried out my theory on a small scale and I got some promising results. The exciter circuit works as expected.

Unfortunately the 12v battery is just about dead less than 11.6v) and the TPU's lower control coils has a short in it. The resistance of the upper layer on the TPU is 9.5 ohms and the lower is about 6 ohms so this means I cannot generate a stable field.  This short is most likely due to the HV experiements I was doing on my last tests. I guess 30KV cooked something.

Well to the results....the exciter/Osc circuit was providing about 5vpp signal into the series connected control coils and the secondary was providing approx 2.2vpp. (see scope shot).

I then used a single diode to see if I could rectify the signal and was able to obtain a little over 1vdc with a ripple on it. (see second scope shot)

These results are without a magnet to "tickle" or "excite" the windings.

I am thinking that if the following items are addressed I can improve the output;

1. charge the battery to full capacity
2. re-wind the control coils to provide a larger field (more turns of 30ga magnet wire)
3. make sure the control coil(s) has a resistance of at least 60 ohms
4. use a neo magnet to excite the feedback process.

I know some will say this is nothing but a simple transofrmer action, but I say "I know this is a fact". I feel that if I increase the field from the coils I can start the electron avalanche I am seeking.

This is just the first stage in my testing and was a proof of concept and that more can be achieved with the correct setup. As a result I must now start winding the new TPU with the improved coils.

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Re: Rotating Field TYPE.
« Reply #381 on: March 02, 2007, 03:22:53 AM »
Question for group.

When SM spoke of a Rotating Field, did he mean:


1.  Rotating Back & Forth like a washing machine agitator?

OR

2.  Continuously rotating like water going down a drain?


Each one has its own circuit implications.

Thank you.

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To reiterate additively:
One way for Option #1 is the bucking field 390721 patent in 3 layers using Otto's jumpers. That is post #2 in this thread.

One way for option #2 is Moabs
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg22653.html#msg22653
Somehwere around there. He even posted the sequence diagram.

But we both got kicks. Oh, please! Is this old news or what? ;D Doesn't that sound great?

--giantkiller.

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #382 on: March 02, 2007, 03:33:16 AM »
@starcruiser,
I was in the lab with someone and in a discussion about Radiant Energy. If that energy can go through anything then anything can become a short. We talked about keeping everything out of the center space of the ring so the field would have no interference or place to go to as the center field commences, condences, & compresses. Just a thought.

The materials we are using are for a lower level of energy, current. Current can't travel that far through air. Radiant E can go forever. One of Tesla's speeches.

What do you call a TPU pulsed by a stungun? Frankenbuzzer. :D

--giantkiller.
« Last Edit: March 02, 2007, 04:54:00 AM by giantkiller »

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #383 on: March 02, 2007, 09:11:55 AM »

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #384 on: March 02, 2007, 09:26:27 AM »
"Also, there is another interesting analogy.
We seem to overlook so many things in our society.
They are right in our faces but we just look around them without interest at all."



« Last Edit: April 12, 2007, 05:11:50 AM by Sauron »

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #385 on: March 02, 2007, 01:49:03 PM »
@starcruiser,
I was in the lab with someone and in a discussion about Radiant Energy. If that energy can go through anything then anything can become a short. We talked about keeping everything out of the center space of the ring so the field would have no interference or place to go to as the center field commences, condences, & compresses. Just a thought.


GK, the electronics were not in the center during this test but still on my large breadboard, I used several jumpers to connect it to the TPU, so it was about 12' away or so.

I wanted to test the circuit (and the concept) before I built a proto board and made it more permanant. I will now do this over the weekend.

As for the circuit here is what I am using

This is the circuit is part of the driver circuit from the Bendini window motor. Note the extra coil I drew in for the secondary/collector. The feedback side of the circuit only requires a 1v pulse to trigger the circuit, I tested this with my signal generator to determine the trigger point. I am thinking of swapping the resistor out for a 2k pot to allow adjustment of the sensitivity.

Anyway more to do.

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #386 on: March 02, 2007, 02:14:20 PM »
Hello all

Does anybody know who this is ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nm6M5vke-u8&mode=related&search=



Not sure why that guy posted it but it is not his unit or video. That is CTGLabs TPU/video. This unit is not functional.

BTW, can anyone translate the words on the video, I would be interested in what he is claiming exactly.

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #387 on: March 02, 2007, 04:02:44 PM »
O great DC Voltage produced by the electrical fields,
Would you care to talk with the o so great external magnetic field?

Maybe we both could have a little chat with the great queen of the AC currents.
Then the 3 of us can play a game.

Let's invite Mr ans Miss Frequency too,they know exactly how to play the game.
Perhaps we all can "kick" some ass.

Mister Schumann will be there too.
He knows all about specific numbers.

But i must warn you, he does not want you to come too close.
So try to keep an eye on him and keep it at some distance.

The winner of the game won't be cold.
Good luck to all.


I really liked this post.  It reminded me of Mannix/SM post from long ago.

<quote>
Now you know that the 5U4 requires 5 volts AC at 3 amps for its heater to gather the electrons and complete the circuit. Well, I measured the output from the tube and the result is 500 volts DC at 250 mV. The loss is due to the high impedance of the tube and its limited ability to dissipate more than 250 mA.. The point I wish to make here is that also along with the 500 volt DC is, yes, you guessed it, the 5 volts three amp AC current! They are both completely independent of each other except for some very interesting things I will mention to you some other time..
First of all, obviously you can have several different output components in the power output signal. You can have DC and AC together without any problem. Why did that mystery person claim that it was a foolish to say DC output with a 5k Hz component? Because he was deliberately trying to mislead anyone who might want to figure out what I was doing.
<stop quote>

Kent

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #388 on: March 02, 2007, 04:19:43 PM »
Consider this configuration for the TPU. How about a neon transformer tank circuit operating near resonance. The high voltage across the capacitor is fed to a magnetically quenched spark gap. In series with the spark gap is a two turn primary. The secondary is a long coil of fine wire so that there will always be a train of pulses. That is, no pulse will reach the end of the coil before the coil is again pulsed. At the end of the coil is an Avramenko plug to pull electrons from the vacuum. Power is taken from the system across the capacitor which is part of the plug.

SM quote "When I accidentally stumbled on a device that appeared to actually pull electrons from the sky".

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #389 on: March 02, 2007, 09:10:32 PM »
"There is no mass circuitry involved, it is just the knowledge of the coils and how they interact with each other"