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Offline mrd10

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #90 on: January 09, 2007, 11:16:33 AM »
Hi Lindsay,

for protection what do you think about these polyswitches:- http://www.jaycar.com.au/productResults.asp?FORM=KEYWORD, they cut out when current reaches critical.

Cheers,

Dom

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Re: Lords of the Ring
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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #91 on: January 09, 2007, 11:32:30 AM »
oops sorry, here are the hits on jaycar website on fuses:- http://www.jaycar.com.au/productResults.asp?whichpage=1&pagesize=10&keywords=fuse&CATID=&SUBCATID=&form=KEYWORD&ProdCodeOnly=&SPECIAL=&Keyword1=&Keyword2=&pageNumber=&priceMin=&priceMax=

there are many like quickblow fuses and temp switches, etc

Thanks,

Dom

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #92 on: January 09, 2007, 11:41:32 AM »
For over voltage protection you would need a fuse and a crow bar.
typically http://www.kbt-dc-supplies.com/crowbar.php
But search google with "crowbar circuit".

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« Last Edit: January 09, 2007, 12:09:22 PM by AhuraMazda »

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #92 on: January 09, 2007, 11:41:32 AM »
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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #93 on: January 09, 2007, 11:55:29 AM »
Hi All,

Lol, while checking out this cool website i found something here that looks great:-

http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=TD2055&CATID=&keywords=fuse&SPECIAL=&form=KEYWORD&ProdCodeOnly=&Keyword1=&Keyword2=&pageNumber=&priceMin=&priceMax=&SUBCATID=

    
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- Picks up static radiation of TV or monitor   <---this is what it does also
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"Smart" screwdriver is the latest in hi-tech test screwdrivers.It allows you to check / test the following safely:

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #94 on: January 09, 2007, 12:38:24 PM »
GK and all!

Please forgive me if I am being dumb here, as you know I am no expert in these things.

You just said you are putting 300 watts in and you have heat?

Am I the only one who thinks this is an expected result?  What have I missed and what has been discovered here?  I am assuming something has been because you are all very excited, perhaps its gone over my head?  Someone please educate me!



Regards,

Dave.


Dave............I expect alot of heat when consuming 300 Watts in a small device. I don't think anyone is claiming discovery, just foward motion with this project. GK is getting results that seem to be in line with what Lindsay and the Silent One say. I will be very impressed with myself when I can induce longitudinal waves in my copper cores from windings oriented at 90 degrees to them.

I will also be quite impressed if the permanent magnets stay magnetized permanently when exposed to AC fields and heat. I have to look back and see where these scope shots are being taken from.

Slow and steady progress will allow for a realatively safe environment and learning. I personally will not be satisfied until I can tell the energy GIANTS to FO. But that is my personal goal. If I get there you will all get a copy of the "Plans". I will not discourage anyone's efforts and I allplaud you all for having the balls to even start looking for solutions to the energy issues we all face together.

My synth chips are enroute.......my PCB will be next............TPU_004 will be wound exactly as GK and Otto have posted. Cosistent KICK is the goal for our class at this point, I believe, firing up the 200Amp service without the electric company will have to wait a bit.

Regards and good testing.......Gentlemen................. ;D

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Re: Lords of the Ring
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Offline CTG Labs

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #95 on: January 09, 2007, 12:47:16 PM »
Hi,

These spikes are created by electrostatic coupling.  Everyone knows there is no magnetic coupling at 90 degrees, but we also know there is electrostatic coupling.  There is no mythical longitudinal EM waves involved to make this?!

I am just not sure what advancement has been made?  Those spikes are what we have all seen while testing and are due to known capacitive coupling.

GK, are you able to confirm any weight loss or the gyroscopic feel?  Have you been able to perform the power in to heat out test?


Regards,

D.

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #96 on: January 09, 2007, 03:56:15 PM »
First, I think we all should give GIANT Kudos to GK for his perseverance in his work & for sharing his findings, diagrams, photos, & work with the world.

I am just a dumb ?newby? here, but it looks like Otto?s schematic is flawed (shorted out).  No offense Otto.  I strongly suspect that this is why GK?s TPU is over heating.

If you look close at Otto?s diagram:

1.  There isn?t any Collector Power output terminals to attach a Load to.  SM?s units did have Load Terminals where he connected light bulbs, etc.

2.   The Collector Wires on all 3 Coils (Top, Middle, & Bottom) are all feeding other Control Wires & other Collector wires.  It appears to me that all of the Collected Power is ?backing up? & is being expended on the TPU itself, thus causing overheating & a possible dangerous condition.


Just a dumb ?newby? trying to help out.
Regards.


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Re: Lords of the Ring
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Offline EMdevices

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #97 on: January 09, 2007, 04:39:19 PM »
I'm with you ctglabs,  no offence GK but the results seem to be "ordinary".  You have done good work though, nice coil and set up.

The spikes posted by GK are from powering and then turning off a coil, and we see the kickback which builds the high voltage spike. 

What are the unusual phenomena though?  Is it strange vibrations?  Is it striking some sort of resonance that makes everything shake?  Is it heat?

I know you're excited GK,  but for the advancement of the art, let's approach one observation at a time and investigate it in detail.

EM

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #98 on: January 09, 2007, 05:05:22 PM »
GK and all!

Please forgive me if I am being dumb here, as you know I am no expert in these things.

You just said you are putting 300 watts in and you have heat?

Am I the only one who thinks this is an expected result?  What have I missed and what has been discovered here?  I am assuming something has been because you are all very excited, perhaps its gone over my head?  Someone please educate me!


Regards,

Dave.


I too am not surprised by this heat generated. It's not difficult to make a 40W or 60W light bulb glow using this amount of wire with a 'hot' air cored transformer using an 8 amp 12V supply and pulsed current. I've done it several times.

When someone does eventually get the lamp to glow don't take too much notice of what your amp meters are reading as load current because we hopefully all know the difficulties in accurately measuring pulsed DC current in complex waveforms. However the heat is a good guide and the hotter your TPU becomes, the more current you will be pulling from the PSU - no kidding. The magic happens when you can reduce the input current and maintain the lamp glowing. I've not done it yet but I live in hope that it can be done as we all do. SM has either got his running on little / nothing or pure bulls....Time will tell.


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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #98 on: January 09, 2007, 05:05:22 PM »
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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #99 on: January 09, 2007, 07:59:27 PM »
All,

Well it sounds to me that at 3.4Khz he is drawing .61 amps from a 12vdc source, this works out to be 7.32 watts with an output of 130V. The next test is can we use this 130v to power anything?

@GK,

I tried to replicate your experiement but have not gotten any real results so far. I am reviewing my signal sources and thinking I need to replace my output transistors. I put 100 ohm resistors for biasing the transistors and put in a 100 ohm (1/2 watt) for current limiting (this is from the positive rail to the feedback coil). Current is limited to less than 370mA at its worst. The 100 ohm current limiting resistor gets warm (expected) but the kicks are less than 2vpp.

I will continue testing tonight after I change the drivers, this will allow me to increase the current to the TPU.

Test setup overview....

My test setup uses a 12vdc 5Ah battery with a DVM in series (using the 10A setting) to monitor the current draw.

My signal source is 3 dual 555 timer chips (NE556), only one clock is used at the moment. I planned on using the second clock for pulse shaping if required.

TImer 1 outputs from 2.8Khz to well over 6Khz

Timer 2 outputs from 28Khz upto 190Khz

Timer 3 outputs from 28Khz upto 190Khz

Driver transistors are used as GK and Otto have them wired (switched Ground) and the collector is connected to the signal points on Otto's TPU diagram. THe current limiting resistor is placed between the Feedback coil and the positive 12v rail.

Test point is between the control coil to feedback coil connect point and the negative rail. I am using a 13k resistor for a load, I may try a larger value later in my testing.

I am thinking my current test results are being affected by the TIP31 transistors, thus my change tonight to a faster and higher current device.

More to come

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #100 on: January 09, 2007, 08:12:12 PM »
Hi Carl,

Have you wound a new TPU like GK's?

Can you lower the current limiting resistors to 2x10ohm like GK so the setup can be identical?



Regards,

D.

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Re: Lords of the Ring
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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #101 on: January 09, 2007, 08:23:26 PM »
so he is using 5 Ohm's for his current limiting. OK I can do that. My TPU is very clode to his but not exactly like his.

Mine is:

COllectors  15 turns of 16AWG stranded 6" coil

COntrol coils are 170 turns 26 AWG with a spacing of about 1/2" between coils.

Feedback coils cover the control coil segments, they are all in series right now.

SO you can see my TPU is not exactly like GK's or Otto's but it is close but all copper.

I was originally making a single loop collector but ran into a problem, I forgot to take into account the wire movement of the collector when trying to bend it (I had taped it before wrapping the control coils on it.

I still plan on making a New TPU with a single loop collector and want to use 30AWG controls with 16 AWG feedback, this is my next incarnation.

Anyhow, on the current test bed I need to change out the driver transistors tonight then I will find out what output I can achieve and if it matches GK's or Otto's (Or even comes close).

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #102 on: January 09, 2007, 08:49:51 PM »
so he is using 5 Ohm's for his current limiting. OK I can do that. My TPU is very clode to his but not exactly like his.

Mine is:

COllectors  15 turns of 16AWG stranded 6" coil

COntrol coils are 170 turns 26 AWG with a spacing of about 1/2" between coils.

Feedback coils cover the control coil segments, they are all in series right now.

SO you can see my TPU is not exactly like GK's or Otto's but it is close but all copper.

I was originally making a single loop collector but ran into a problem, I forgot to take into account the wire movement of the collector when trying to bend it (I had taped it before wrapping the control coils on it.

I still plan on making a New TPU with a single loop collector and want to use 30AWG controls with 16 AWG feedback, this is my next incarnation.

Anyhow, on the current test bed I need to change out the driver transistors tonight then I will find out what output I can achieve and if it matches GK's or Otto's (Or even comes close).

Copper:
depending on the cross section I.E. gauge. The quote "there are many ways to solve this' means lots of copper paths not lots of copper volume in the path. lots of paths means lots of magnetic fields to get excited. We are aiming at the stress from electrons aligning not the fields themselves. Think of it that way. I made the most dramatic advance when I changed to this way of thinking. I saw the results from c0msters hand wound coil demo and it clicked for me. So i went with that. And that is how I came up with my controls. It also lined up with alot of Tesla diagrams. Big copper, few loops to small copper lots of turns. Does any of this come the standard way of thinking? No. We are not doing standard things!
You have made great progress so far. Up your current to see other things.

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #103 on: January 10, 2007, 12:02:39 AM »
Thanks GK,

I have copper as well.


I want to offer an analogy.

Imagine that way back when man first discovered fire.

There were those who knew how to do it but didnt understand it..there were those who probably thought they understood it but didnt know how to do it.

We are all in this with a bit of both going on and the similaraties are there.

The trouble is that we dont know where the petrol is...and how much.

I suggest a series relay (4pole..3 used)that will cut of all frquencies at the same time ,connected to an over voltage detect corciut that is variable..eg ...getting 20 volts...then set to 30...tune.....click!........set to 40....tune ...click.
I hope you get the idea.

It will need to be an active circuit. shorting the coils may not work...so in series with the drive will be  best.

using electronic devices to switch this may not work IE polyswitches. The type of current and voltage that becomes present is not what many devices are designed to see.

CONDISER THIS A DEVICE THAT MAY PREVENT PERSONAL INJURY


Lindsay Mannix


 

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #104 on: January 10, 2007, 12:41:54 AM »
Thanks GK,

I have copper as well.


I want to offer an analogy.

Imagine that way back when man first discovered fire.

There were those who knew how to do it but didnt understand it..there were those who probably thought they understood it but didnt know how to do it.

We are all in this with a bit of both going on and the similaraties are there.

The trouble is that we dont know where the petrol is...and how much.

I suggest a series relay (4pole..3 used)that will cut of all frquencies at the same time ,connected to an over voltage detect corciut that is variable..eg ...getting 20 volts...then set to 30...tune.....click!........set to 40....tune ...click.
I hope you get the idea.

It will need to be an active circuit. shorting the coils may not work...so in series with the drive will be  best.

using electronic devices to switch this may not work IE polyswitches. The type of current and voltage that becomes present is not what many devices are designed to see.

CONDISER THIS A DEVICE THAT MAY PREVENT PERSONAL INJURY


Lindsay Mannix


 

I was thinking of opamp voltage level detection with the single pole relay connected from the +12 to the feedback relay. But my concern now is that when the relay breaks contact then I have the coil acting as an open ended transmission line in a runaway state. I could try disconnecting that first just to see, but I don't have the runaway state.
No shortcuts, eh?
I can still use the level detector.

tnx, giantkiller.

 

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