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Author Topic: Lords of the Ring  (Read 940763 times)

mflynn44

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #75 on: January 08, 2007, 06:35:29 PM »
GK, The thing is, with a 2.2uf cap which you reported you used, and 2x 200kohm pots, the pots both need to be set around the 1k level to get the frequencies you talk about, which must mean you have a hell of a time tuning these things in as the range of frequencies you report are all within the first .5%-.1% of the pot range.

So is it possible you caps are a different value? what type are they also.

And one of your caps you mentioned way 4.7uf (or 4 something) which makes it even worse.

EDIT: 2.2 nf would fit rather well.
EDIT2: Oops, no it's minimum freq would be about 1khz, 22nf would be fine though.

I'm using 10nf and 10K pots with my 555 setup. We really need better documentation.

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #76 on: January 08, 2007, 06:43:38 PM »
GK, The thing is, with a 2.2uf cap which you reported you used, and 2x 200kohm pots, the pots both need to be set around the 1k level to get the frequencies you talk about, which must mean you have a hell of a time tuning these things in as the range of frequencies you report are all within the first .5%-.1% of the pot range.

So is it possible you caps are a different value? what type are they also.

And one of your caps you mentioned way 4.7uf (or 4 something) which makes it even worse.

EDIT: 2.2 nf would fit rather well.
EDIT2: Oops, no it's minimum freq would be about 1khz, 22nf would be fine though.

I'm using 10nf and 10K pots with my 555 setup. We really need better documentation.

There are 2 famous quotes:
'There are many ways to get there' and 'This thing is sloppy';)
I have posted explicits on the 1st page per the instructions given me to do so.

--giantkiller.
« Last Edit: January 08, 2007, 11:24:58 PM by giantkiller »

IronHead

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #77 on: January 08, 2007, 10:31:43 PM »
Well done, keep your lab tighty and organized

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #78 on: January 08, 2007, 11:37:10 PM »
Congratulations GiantKiller, and also very nice organization suggestion Spherenot.  I like it!

One suggestion if I may,

How about posting the results observed?   Vibrations, heat, etc...

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #79 on: January 08, 2007, 11:59:40 PM »
Probably a magnet field observation during process could help !

S
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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #80 on: January 09, 2007, 01:12:18 AM »
GK, did you made a test with a photo plate?

I hope you do NOT get such results:
http://images.google.de/images?svnum=10&hl=de&lr=&q=r%C3%B6ntgen

..dani

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #81 on: January 09, 2007, 01:35:11 AM »
I wonder if there is a way to meassure if there is any A/B/G/X rays being emmited... I think you need a filiment of some sort to emmit those rays, but I guess one can never be too safe.

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #82 on: January 09, 2007, 05:28:43 AM »
I am hooking 'My precious' back into the circuit. We took a little walk today.
I am attaching a tuning fork to it like I was instructed to do.
Testing will commence shortly.


Here goes:
At the low freqs, tuning fork no good. @ 13K tuning fork no good. But coil sings hi pitch. Coil get very warm.
I feel a slight pressure on my ear drums. Probably from the hi pitch. I get earplugs. Stick ear plugs on coil. Feel much better now. Coil lookin good!
Lay tuning fork across coil @ 13K, fork no talk. Put fork on tongue. Guess what?

I can use the scope to track harmonics and that will let me do an amperage check 'on sync' and 'off sync'.

On resonance @ 13k, Ampmeter @ PSU says 2.18a +150v p2p. -10v visible.

@ any resonance point the coil gets hot but the amps are around 2.03 - 2.06 and the volts are 130 - 190. But here is the thing when the coil is off resonance it looks more like a short and the amps go up to 2.25.

So here is my take with the sloppy pots, the coil seems to work like a normal transformer. You can hit the impedance level with the freqs. All harmonics show hi volts. On average it looks like 300 watt draw. But this device puts out kicks like a stun gun, but no sparks. Adjusting the harmonic range speeds up the kicks, naturally. But you can feel other things with your hand. Oops, that was the other day.
But on the coil @2k the coil gets the hotest. prob the 4" diam. but the amps = 1.92 which is the lowest.
No, at 500hz harmonic I get .92 amp, 140v, and a very hot coil. Ok I touched it, i'm sorry. But I left it in its cage, really. I won't do it again. But this is the best yet. Hot coil, good voltage, lowest wattage.
Could somebody please step up and back me up with their tests? Am I the only one? Ok I am going have to change my name to THX1138.

But wait, So now I do Rock and roll test:
freq a: 3.4k
freq b: 3.4k
freq c: 3.4k
130v spikes out 70usec cycle width. Produces a magnetic ball radius of 12". How do I find this out? I turn on big BOSE power tower, turn up loud,  hold axe next to coil. Now whole neighborhood know I doing freakazoid experiments. House shake big time. I adjust freqs. Hmm, me sound better than Jimi Hendrix. Could be that waves affecting my judgement.
So the Rock -n- roll test goes on for 1/2 hour. 130 volt spikes, coil warm to the touch, ooh I'm sorry, 0.61a. steady. After ready Grumpy's statement today, it made me think that I need to just pick off the kicks externally. So if you can get a nice stable stream of kicks then you have generated consistancy. And that I should be able to induct off? I bought some great 8 gauge audio cable to wrap the coil with to get a ring. ;)

An hour later and wouldn't ya know it. The Rock -n- roll continues to perform very stable.
coil is a little warm.
I have been sitting next to the circuit powered on for 2 hours and now no head pain except for the headbanging while my coil played the guitar! But the biggest news is that the screen cage works! The heck with the rest, I got safety, Jack! Thank you for the post for that.

This was with 3 seperate clocks.
But I have to change the pots out for finer control before anymore testing on this bench.

Stay tuned when next time giantkiller says 'I now put in 1 clock for parallel feed'. Oooh. The crowd roars and he takes a bow as the curtain closes.

As long as I am a one man show guess I run the show? No fun playing alone! Need friends!

--giantkiller.
« Last Edit: January 09, 2007, 06:47:12 AM by giantkiller »

Spherenot

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #83 on: January 09, 2007, 05:45:59 AM »
Stick ear plugs on coil.
And how shall we stick thine ear plugs on thee coil, oh great one?

Quote from: giantkiller
...fork no talk. Put fork on tongue. Guess what?
Fork tongue.

You slay me.  :D

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #84 on: January 09, 2007, 06:07:12 AM »
Look ma! Baby's first words! kick,kick,kick,kick,kick,kick,kick.
Why he got your turns PA! Yep he's a real perfomer this one is...
Ya know ma? I think he just waved,waved,waved at us!

12 volts @ .61amps

50usec / div,  20v / div.

--giantkiller.
« Last Edit: January 09, 2007, 06:29:44 AM by giantkiller »

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #85 on: January 09, 2007, 06:06:28 AM »
Stick ear plugs on coil.
And how shall we stick thine ear plugs on thee coil, oh great one?

Quote from: giantkiller
...fork no talk. Put fork on tongue. Guess what?
Fork tongue.

You slay me.  :D
I didn't say in your eyes, dude!

mrd10

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #86 on: January 09, 2007, 09:42:55 AM »
Hey GK,

Is your coil powering an amp?
Or you using a mic to pick up the noise coming from the coil, and amplifying that.

Thanks,

Dom

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #87 on: January 09, 2007, 09:57:44 AM »
 

good job GK nice scope shot

but now can you light a 60w with that?


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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #88 on: January 09, 2007, 10:21:37 AM »
Hi all,

Somebody said that  "It is only a matter of time before somebody blows themselves up!"

GK.. slow down a bit mate....let a few others catch up..and Please ..GK what are u using to kill the frequencies?...

Steven has said that auto over voltage cutout is the only way to prevent real danger!

I suggest that we concentrate on a good `cut out method at this point..before trying to get more because if you do reach it you will never have time to reach the manual kill switch..

PLEASE incorporate this in your designs....this is a research project.

Danger present and real..

GK has said this .... Please take it seriously.


Now lets get a good, fast, overvoltage frequency cut off circuit.
If one of you stops writing we will may not wonder what has happened.


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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #89 on: January 09, 2007, 10:55:02 AM »
GK and all!

Please forgive me if I am being dumb here, as you know I am no expert in these things.

You just said you are putting 300 watts in and you have heat?

Am I the only one who thinks this is an expected result?  What have I missed and what has been discovered here?  I am assuming something has been because you are all very excited, perhaps its gone over my head?  Someone please educate me!


Regards,

Dave.