Free Energy | searching for free energy and discussing free energy

Mechanical free energy devices => mechanic => Topic started by: glaysonmestre on November 23, 2020, 05:18:02 AM

Title: perpetual magnetic toy and explanation
Post by: glaysonmestre on November 23, 2020, 05:18:02 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHty4r697DI&ab_channel=perpetuummobile     


can someone replicate this and see if it really works? i would even do it but i'm out of ferrite round magnets


is amazing this russian  make a replica   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RHKpZUqlu0&ab_channel=IgorBeletskiy

this brasiliam   
trying but still adjusting  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ronodLl9Cw&ab_channel=AntonioIjano
Title: Re: perpetual magnetic toy and explanation
Post by: conradelektro on November 23, 2020, 06:00:10 PM

is amazing this russian  make a replica   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RHKpZUqlu0&ab_channel=IgorBeletskiy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RHKpZUqlu0&ab_channel=IgorBeletskiy)


I like this Russian replication very much, because the inventor developed a better "drive magnet flip mechanism" (using additional little magnets).

I would like a russian speaker to tell me the conclusion given by the russian inventor in the video (does he believe that the wheel is really self turning for a long time, like a day or even longer?).

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: perpetual magnetic toy and explanation
Post by: skywatcher on November 23, 2020, 10:36:31 PM
I would like a russian speaker to tell me the conclusion given by the russian inventor in the video (does he believe that the wheel is really self turning for a long time, like a day or even longer?).

Unfortunately i don't understand russian language but from the translated subtitles (which are not really good) i understand that he analyzed the mechanism in great detail but he thinks that it can not work. When i look at his channel i see that he is building all kind of nice 'perpetual motion' machines but i have not seen one which works. At least he is honest and doesn't produce fakes.
Title: Re: perpetual magnetic toy and explanation
Post by: glaysonmestre on November 24, 2020, 01:43:33 AM
 :)
the Russian made the mechanism differently so I think that’s why it didn’t work but at the beginning of the video he moved quite a bit on his own. the Russian mechanism has a magnet to move the lever that must have stopped the system. i'm buying magnets soon i will try to replicate i am very hope that it will work, i have a round ferrite i put a mini neodymium inside it and turned it almost has no resistance it seems to have a dead spot as you say in the video


my first disappointment with a magnetic motor was this video, I was fascinated, I wanted to make it miniature walk with it in my chest as if it were an arc reactor, to have infinite smartphone battery, I was a fool     
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFGiWiXMHn0&ab_channel=szimbiota


my second disappointment was a magnetic motor that i saw in a video i can’t find the video anymore, it was a round ferrite magnet broken in half and inverted pasted it had four aluminum tubes and two more ferrite halves q revolved around the magnets parties at the end of the tubes had weights I thought that crap worked I tried to replicate I spent money.




Title: Re: perpetual magnetic toy and explanation
Post by: Floor on November 24, 2020, 03:08:50 AM
is amazing this Russian  make a replica   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RHKpZUqlu0&ab_channel=IgorBeletskiy

Nice build !
This is basically the same design as @
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4N4TiOHc-g&t=60s

I appreciate that the Russian gentleman.....

1. had the diligence to build it and see for his self.

2. had the integrity to share that it stops rotating at 1 minute and
    24 seconds into the video.

It stops because the momentum is expended. 

It is sometimes difficult to understand that a well balanced / low friction, rotating wheel
can rotate for long periods of time, even though it interacts with a stationary magnet.

In that design the fixed magnet FIRST ATTRACTS THEN REPELLS the wheel magnet/s. 
If these two forces are equal there is nothing to cause the wheel to stop rotating any sooner
than it would if / when there were no fixed magnet involved at all.

regards
  floor

Title: Re: perpetual magnetic toy and explanation
Post by: glaysonmestre on November 24, 2020, 04:14:33 PM
dont stop spining   :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sX_8WT1Ztw&ab_channel=perpetuummobile


Title: Re: perpetual magnetic toy and explanation
Post by: Lunkster on November 24, 2020, 05:15:35 PM
This looks like the real thing to me.

What this would mean is that it is time to invest in the companies that mine the rear earth materials used to the permanent magnets.
Anyone can build the magnets once they have the materials.

The sales of permanent magnets will greatly increase.
I may have to build my version of this motor.
Now on one video it talked about heating the flipping magnet so that it is not too strong in strength.

Does anyone have thoughts of how to do this?  What strength of magnet do we want to end uo with?

What magnets should I purchase?  Will any ring magnets do?

Could someone put a parts list together for this motor build?

Will anyone else build one of these motor's?

I may use the duel pendulum approach to optimizing the distances of the flipping magnet and wheel magnet
before I assemble a full wheel with this motor concept.

Out of all the video's I have watched, this is one of the most encouraging one.

Think of how many hobbyist will jump into action of a working all permanent magnet motor.

It would be prudent to see a third party evaluate and place their stamp of approval on this first.
Maybe I will have to wait just a little longer before I start ordering parts.

Lunkster
Title: Re: perpetual magnetic toy and explanation
Post by: skywatcher on November 24, 2020, 06:56:25 PM
dont stop spining   :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sX_8WT1Ztw&ab_channel=perpetuummobile (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sX_8WT1Ztw&ab_channel=perpetuummobile)

It doesn't slow down during the runtime of the video. So there must be some source of energy to keep it running.
Of course in the base there would be plenty of space for batteries and a coil.
Title: Re: perpetual magnetic toy and explanation
Post by: glaysonmestre on November 24, 2020, 10:22:03 PM
It doesn't slow down during the runtime of the video.



but a sustainable magnetic motor will not behave like an electric motor with constant speed ?

it doesn’t seem like a fake, he responds to comments normally,
Title: Re: perpetual magnetic toy and explanation
Post by: skywatcher on November 24, 2020, 10:26:37 PM
but a sustainable magnetic motor will not behave like an electric motor with constant speed ?
Any motor accelerates until output power (load + friction + other losses) equals input power.
Title: Re: perpetual magnetic toy and explanation
Post by: Floor on November 24, 2020, 10:32:09 PM
don't stop spinning   :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sX_8WT1Ztw&ab_channel=perpetuummobile

The machine is built to run on the principle of what ?

I wish that videos were proof because if they were, we would have 100 free energy machines
already on you tube.

I cannot say definitively, that this device does not work.

I only say that I do not see any reason why is should.

It requires the same amount of energy to pull two attracted magnets apart
from one another... as one can get out from the initial attraction of them together...

given that the line of travel is the same line, during both, the attraction and the pulling
apart.
                     But
I cannot say absolutely, that this holds true of this device because the path of approach is
different from the path away......

However...

the angle / direction of approach, during the approach of the Ferris wheel magnets
toward the OTHER MAGNET, is different from when the Ferris wheel magnet is moving away.

  BUt only....

because the swinging magnet is repositioned by the Ferris wheel's motion,

   And

That energy to reposition the "OTHER MAGNET" is taken from the rotation of the
Ferris wheel.

Again,

well balanced / low friction devices such as these can
coast for 15 to 20 minutes.  More massive devices can
sometimes coast for an hour or more.

Build one to see, is OK with me.

But also keep it in mind to maybe build it with great precision of motion, low friction, very well balanced and also keeping in mind that

the main components might be used in other tests / experiments, if it is built to be adaptable to other magnet configurations ?

  best wishes
   floor
Title: Re: perpetual magnetic toy and explanation
Post by: skywatcher on November 24, 2020, 11:21:22 PM
well balanced / low friction devices such as these can
coast for 15 to 20 minutes.  More massive devices can
sometimes coast for an hour or more.
If it only uses its initial energy it will decelerate from the start, which should be visible after 15min if it would stop let's say after 30 min.
If the speed remains constant for 15 min there must be an energy source.

The first video is online for 9 months now, but not one single successful replication.
Title: Re: perpetual magnetic toy and explanation
Post by: glaysonmestre on November 25, 2020, 01:06:34 AM

the video with technical information was posted on September 18th, I would like to know if what he said about the round magnet is correct?

whoever sees the device for the first time thinks it is fake when I saw the first time I thought it was more of a fake video, but I was intrigued the guy answered the comments

Title: Re: perpetual magnetic toy and explanation
Post by: nix85 on November 25, 2020, 11:02:21 AM
remember the steorn orbo, there are two phenomena at play, first it neutralizes attraction to ferrite core when coil is pulsed - this is understandable as local coil field overcomes the outside magnet field and polarizes the magnetic domains so that they are not attracted to outside magnet.

second effect is harder to explain. in this video

https://youtu.be/j3RLp3ezs1Q?&t=38

there are two magnets n and s side to side and toroid coil at 90° in the exact middle between them 8mm distant. magnetic field of the toroid is of course contained inside it and yet, it repels the two magnets. can not be attributed to leakage flux since toroid is wound all the way, no holes.
Title: Re: perpetual magnetic toy and explanation
Post by: Lunkster on November 25, 2020, 03:19:06 PM
Question;

Even though the flipping magnet is flipping fast, it is not instantaneous.
So think of the rotation starting at one position and completing it's
twist in a different position along the wheels magnets.  Now evaluate all off the relationships during the
flipping action of the forces between the flipping magnet and the wheel magnets.
It seems to me that their could be an offset of attraction to repulsion relationships
in this motor design if the start to stop flipping action occurs in the correct position. 
But I am only a hobbyist,  so weigh what I say lightly.

Now I can see how replications can fail because the designer said that the strength of the flipping magnet
was critical in making this motor design operate.  Again I can see that a magnet that is too strong will extend it's range into the flux area of the other magnets that would hinder the function of this motor design.  Then again, a flipping magnet to week would not provide enough force to add enough torque to the motor to keep it running.  If it took the designer 17 years to get the correct magnet strength and balance to his motor, what makes you think that replications would get it correct the first time?

So if the motor could have more flipping magnets of weaker force could be added to the design, then the additive forward torque they would produce to the wheel could keep it rotating. 

Adding three more flipping magnets as in my drawing would create for times the push from the flipping magnets.  Of course you need to rotate the wheel magnets 90 degrees if you place the flipping magnets to the side of the wheel.  This way you would be taking advantage of the dead spto on both sides of the wheel magnets.

Now if you turned the whole wheel on its side, you would be able to add several flipping magnets to the top and bottom side of the motor.

Lunkster

 
Title: Re: perpetual magnetic toy and explanation
Post by: glaysonmestre on November 25, 2020, 04:53:27 PM

I was thinking of turning things around instead of rotating the round magnets if I rotated the wrist magnets ?




i liked your drawing which soft used?
Title: Re: perpetual magnetic toy and explanation
Post by: glaysonmestre on November 25, 2020, 04:56:14 PM

I was thinking of turning things around instead of rotating the round magnets if I rotated the wrist magnets ?




i liked your drawing which soft used?
Title: Re: perpetual magnetic toy and explanation
Post by: lancaIV on November 25, 2020, 05:34:39 PM
 8) It stopes because the momentum is expended . 8)   #4

                                                                                                                     momentum,angular momentum
                                                                                                                     velocity,speed
                                                                                                                     motionless,rotative,linear


EMF /MMF   .....Motive....     .......Momentum .......                              Curie,Becquerel: NMF decay period,decay
                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                    Physics: ' Ambient' AMF
 
                                                                                                                    MF/sec per Atom

Not ZERO( or : from 0°K+ force field!) but TOTUMENERGY, ( ex/in-)spendere and (re)cupere


totus up to 0°K 'Brownian movement Entrophy TOTPUNKT,density maxime,zero FREIRAUM

tot-al-izer meaning : con-centrator

 Physics : Attractor

permanent magnet ,permanent ? Alignment from NS direction,verting the physical magnet position 180°  = SN
How much ' force units' delivers 1 permanent magnet in its conventional 'Weiss Domain' decay life,
How many 'force units' to demagnetizise ( Barkhausen ! Bieleld-Brown) ,basic ferrit and only physical ferrit atoms bonding ,?

PM temperature range by magneic force winning or loosing condition !?

WithWithout radio-active Cobat,Lanthaniden(rare earth minerals) incorporated !?


Hammer-punch,falling to hard ( sounding) floor                  ultra sound treatment


EMF- device : thermopile/array,hot and called tension spread sources,for electro-/iono-/plasmo magnetism

1920/30 microphones/loudspeaker  material : graphit    future graphene-permanent magnets,
metamaterial PM ferrit nitrogen magnesium

Sincerely
Title: Re: perpetual magnetic toy and explanation
Post by: Lunkster on November 25, 2020, 06:34:29 PM

As far as the drawings, I use window Paint because I am too cheep to purchase drawing software.

As far as being a human dog, the gentile woman who asked Jesus for a miracle, when she was told that she was a dog,
she said that even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from the table.  Since I am a hobbyist, I can only look for crumbs
of what the scientists and engineers may have overlooked in their research.

Are going to deprive me for looking for crumbs? 
An I hurting someone else for looking for the crumbs?

I have a hard time seeing that when a stationary magnet on a rotor passing a stationary magnet on a stator
as having an offset in the attraction and repulsion forces in order to perform any work.

But this motor design has a flipping magnet in it that moves through a dead zone.
The energy to flip a magnet depends on the energy between the flipping magnet and the
wheel magnets.  So for me, changing the orientation of the flipping magnet can offset the attraction and
reputation forces between the flipping magnet and the wheel magnets.
Now I know that the educated argument is that no matter where the flipping occurs, whether in the strong flux field or
 a week field, that it can not produce an over unity device because of the conservation of energy.  THat statement has been proven over and over again and is accepted as if it were a rock that can not be moved.
For me, performing some simple tests can be a learning experience for people like me.
As I see it, Wrong as it may be,  Changing the orientation of the flipping magnet can offset the attraction and repulsion forces depending of the distance and area of the flipping action.  The biggest question I have is does it take more energy to perform the flipping of the magnet, than the offset that has been created by the flipping?  Again, the general rule of conservation of energy can be used against it working.
Now someone has recently said that a permanent magnet attached to a metal plate in the ceiling is performing workin keeping the weight of the magnet attached to the ceiling.  So if a permanent magnet can produce work in that example, then why would it not be possible for the permanent magnet to perform work as it is flipping and at the same time it is flipping, it is moving through different levels of flux field strength while one of those area's is a dead zone.

So can a permanent magnet perform work?

When I built an all permanent magnet motor prototype that does not function was very educational for me.
You can say, And you did not learn enough to stay away from All permanent Magnet Motors?

For me I am mostly working with Magnetic motors that include electromagnets along with permanent magnets.
This oddsets the disappointments in working with all permanent magnet motors, but I will always be thinking
about,  If a permanent magnet can produce work, there must be some crumb that was overlooked that can be found
to be able to use the ability of the permanent magnet to produce work in such a way as to build a self-running device.

It is bad enough to have a scientist or an engineer tell me what a fool I am when I will find out for myself when
I build and test these overunity designs.

This is why I think a true overunity All Permanent Magnet Motor will come from a hobbyist, because
the well educated people are so closed minded from rules that are 100 years old and can never be changed until
someone proves them wrong.

Lunkster
Title: Re: perpetual magnetic toy and explanation
Post by: Floor on November 25, 2020, 07:04:01 PM
@Linkster

Quote from Lunkster
"Now someone has recently said that a permanent magnet attached to a metal plate in the ceiling is performing work in keeping the weight of the magnet attached to the ceiling.  "
End of quote

If that magnet were doing work, then so is a large bolder, that some one
has moved to a position high upon a hill.

            But that bolder is not doing work, and neither is the magnet

Work ....  by definition  ....  is when a object is displaced by a force.

See the explanation attached below @  https://overunity.com/16954/magnets-motion-and-measurement/dlattach/attach/174214/

   best wishes
    floor
Title: Re: perpetual magnetic toy and explanation
Post by: lancaIV on November 25, 2020, 07:12:18 PM
Changing the holding = attraction  PM by an electric energy spending EM ?
"Work " definition by energy spending now satisfying resolved ?

Hybrid EM-PM ,PM with by EMF the total MMF magnifying,neutralyzing,diminuation e-coil unwrapped ?

Learning to treat 'definitions/thesis/formulas' correct use !
And from 2020 p.C. review !

Unwrapping e-coil sourced -instead - by steady electricity delivery : pulsation,pulsative ,repulsative
 capacitive,recycleable,fast

winding=capacitor

with Back-EMF-cycle  circuit
Physics + Electro-Chemistry

Lever/Hebel : Physics definition !
Inertia,Physics definition
HUB-/ZUG-Kraft/Force Physics definion and in applying one or the other the input tosame outpt difference
JNaudin : Push&Pull difference
Flynn Parallel Path:  only PM and with EM tests and study
Geminieletricmotor: conventional only 50% from possible MMF transformed,geometry !?
et cet ........

NS and SN 

ccw and cw

1x NS PM +1x NS PM  - counter-rotative : lever= amplificator

(PM + EMF-coil )+ ( PM + EMF-e-coil)


Alignment : orbital direction

From coil unwrapping,band foil unwrapping,EMF-layer ink sputting like solar dots in nano powder dimension
Sincerely
Title: Re: perpetual magnetic toy and explanation
Post by: skywatcher on November 25, 2020, 11:34:46 PM
I found some ferrite ring magnets (28mm diameter, 10mm hole) and played around with one of them, and some small other magnets.
But i did not find such a 'dead zone'.  Maybe the ring magnet was too small...   :-\
Title: Re: perpetual magnetic toy and explanation
Post by: glaysonmestre on November 26, 2020, 12:42:33 AM
I found some ferrite ring magnets (28mm diameter, 10mm hole) and played around with one of them, and some small other magnets.
But i did not find such a 'dead zone'.  Maybe the ring magnet was too small...   :-\



the dead zone is very small the magnet has to be small, and with a weak local strength his strength using fire

Title: Re: perpetual magnetic toy and explanation
Post by: lota on November 30, 2020, 07:47:30 AM

Hello
I have recreated the part. But it doesn't work that way. The problem is the small magnet. Or there are two. It rotates heavily because the forces between the magnets are too great. In one video you can see that the little magnet does not move when it breaks it down. He moves with me.
I write with translator hopefully you can understand that.
Greeting
Lota
Title: Re: perpetual magnetic toy and explanation
Post by: lota on November 30, 2020, 07:58:31 AM

Hello
at the blue arrows opposite poles are formed. (reply#12)
Greeting
Lota
Title: Re: perpetual magnetic toy and explanation
Post by: vineet_kiran on December 03, 2020, 06:08:29 AM
Magnetic field of a ring magnet  changes its direction at the center.  Hence instead of using a ring magnet, if we use three small disc magnets with N-S-N arrangement,  will we get the same result?


Earlier I had posted a video showing a ring magnet balancing attractive and repulsive forces.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0LO8IkbJLg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0LO8IkbJLg)
Title: Re: perpetual magnetic toy and explanation
Post by: Bertoa on December 04, 2020, 02:09:34 PM
The self running permanent magnet motor has 2 flaws, the drag of the bearings and the pull of the flipping mechanism. For the bearings he can use the mendocino magnet bearings. The flipping mechanism is very clever but will also pull. Magnets passing at short distance and even inches away will cause drag. You can't compensate that by the centifugal force of the wheel. After some time the wheel stops because there is no 'extra force' to overcome drag.
Even with my solar non-stop machines, with perfect timing, it is hard to keep them going. That said, one is running for over a year now. With the storage of 'free' solar energy in a supercapacitor and an ultra low power use of 30microwatt, my windowsill machines overcome drag in darkness and many cloudy days.This pendulum swings non-stop for 10 months: http://laboratoiredesynthese.eu/2020/02/27/double-spin-pendulum/
Title: Re: perpetual magnetic toy and explanation
Post by: glaysonmestre on June 01, 2021, 12:57:07 AM
update  this guy make replic work  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rR-sdvX2_CE
Title: Re: perpetual magnetic toy and explanation
Post by: Lunkster on June 01, 2021, 04:32:16 AM
update  this guy make replic work  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rR-sdvX2_CE

Is there someone who can post the English version of what was communicated in the video.

Just think if everyone was always truthful.
I could be seeing the real thing and my mind is asking how is this person fooling me.

A replica is sure a big step in believing this motor.

I want to know what other people are thinking about the video.

If this is true, it is something I have been waiting for, for a very long time.

Congratulations

Lunkster
Title: Re: perpetual magnetic toy and explanation
Post by: MagnaProp on June 01, 2021, 11:46:31 AM
...I want to know what other people are thinking about the video...
I would like to believe it but remain skeptical for now. It appears to run very well, even when he tilts it 90 degrees to the side. Appears to run too well while he moves it around since it's powered by such weak magnets.

Sadly for me personally, it's not worth replicating. The power that can be had from it is far to small for my flying aircraft use. I would consider replicating it though if more show up since just knowing it's actually possible would help open my eyes to other possibilities.
Title: Re: perpetual magnetic toy and explanation
Post by: Bertoa on June 02, 2021, 12:57:55 PM
His Comments to this video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rR-sdvX2_CE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rR-sdvX2_CE)
This is a replica of a Magnetic Motor whose original design belongs to Sam, from the "perpetuum mobile" channel, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4N4T (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4N4T)...
The idea of ​​this project would be to make the wheel spin only with the attraction and repulsion of the magnets, I tried to follow all the tips of the creator "Perpetuum Mobile" whose link I already left at the beginning of the description of this video. All materials used in this project were of a "non-magnetic" nature such as: wood, aluminum, lead, copper, brass and rubber. The two small neodymium magnets were intentionally weakened by the heat. There were many failed attempts in these 7 months, I bought more than 30 microwave magnets to choose 4 with the same weight, dimension and magnetic intensity, I bought more than 50 small neodymium magnets of different sizes. Within my ability I tried all the possible adjustments, I lost count of how many rods I broke trying the perfect adjustment, I weakened the small magnets in different intensities and nothing, always the re-entry between the magnets brakes the wheel.
 I only got the result of this video due to an "Extra Energy" helping, which process I'll go into in detail in an upcoming video.
My Conclusion: It's very difficult to "break" the laws of physics and you can't believe everything we see on the internet. I'm not saying that I'm giving up or encouraging them to give up, nor that our friend Sam from "Perpetuum Mobile" did it that way, but there is this possibility. It is up to each one to draw their own conclusion. In an upcoming video I'll detail how I got this effect!
This confirms my previous reply that friction and pulling force are very hard to overcome. Antonio did all to reach "perpetuum mobile".
Title: Re: perpetual magnetic toy and explanation
Post by: MagnaProp on June 03, 2021, 10:00:59 AM
...I only got the result of this video due to an "Extra Energy" helping, which process I'll go into in detail in an upcoming video....
I didn't notice that part before. I look forward to the hidden battery reveal.
Title: Re: perpetual magnetic toy and explanation
Post by: vineet_kiran on July 06, 2021, 03:37:58 PM

 https://youtu.be/PbpUSsyeneo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbpUSsyeneo)   

It is a perpetual machine claim.  Does it work?
Title: Re: perpetual magnetic toy and explanation
Post by: Drak on July 11, 2021, 04:39:02 PM
This looks legit.
I might try this.