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Offline glaysonmestre

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Re: perpetual magnetic toy and explanation
« Reply #15 on: November 25, 2020, 04:53:27 PM »

I was thinking of turning things around instead of rotating the round magnets if I rotated the wrist magnets ?




i liked your drawing which soft used?

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Re: perpetual magnetic toy and explanation
« Reply #16 on: November 25, 2020, 04:56:14 PM »

I was thinking of turning things around instead of rotating the round magnets if I rotated the wrist magnets ?




i liked your drawing which soft used?

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Re: perpetual magnetic toy and explanation
« Reply #17 on: November 25, 2020, 05:34:39 PM »
 8) It stopes because the momentum is expended . 8)   #4

                                                                                                                     momentum,angular momentum
                                                                                                                     velocity,speed
                                                                                                                     motionless,rotative,linear


EMF /MMF   .....Motive....     .......Momentum .......                              Curie,Becquerel: NMF decay period,decay
                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                    Physics: ' Ambient' AMF
 
                                                                                                                    MF/sec per Atom

Not ZERO( or : from 0°K+ force field!) but TOTUMENERGY, ( ex/in-)spendere and (re)cupere


totus up to 0°K 'Brownian movement Entrophy TOTPUNKT,density maxime,zero FREIRAUM

tot-al-izer meaning : con-centrator

 Physics : Attractor

permanent magnet ,permanent ? Alignment from NS direction,verting the physical magnet position 180°  = SN
How much ' force units' delivers 1 permanent magnet in its conventional 'Weiss Domain' decay life,
How many 'force units' to demagnetizise ( Barkhausen ! Bieleld-Brown) ,basic ferrit and only physical ferrit atoms bonding ,?

PM temperature range by magneic force winning or loosing condition !?

WithWithout radio-active Cobat,Lanthaniden(rare earth minerals) incorporated !?


Hammer-punch,falling to hard ( sounding) floor                  ultra sound treatment


EMF- device : thermopile/array,hot and called tension spread sources,for electro-/iono-/plasmo magnetism

1920/30 microphones/loudspeaker  material : graphit    future graphene-permanent magnets,
metamaterial PM ferrit nitrogen magnesium

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Re: perpetual magnetic toy and explanation
« Reply #17 on: November 25, 2020, 05:34:39 PM »
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Offline Lunkster

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Re: perpetual magnetic toy and explanation
« Reply #18 on: November 25, 2020, 06:34:29 PM »

As far as the drawings, I use window Paint because I am too cheep to purchase drawing software.

As far as being a human dog, the gentile woman who asked Jesus for a miracle, when she was told that she was a dog,
she said that even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from the table.  Since I am a hobbyist, I can only look for crumbs
of what the scientists and engineers may have overlooked in their research.

Are going to deprive me for looking for crumbs? 
An I hurting someone else for looking for the crumbs?

I have a hard time seeing that when a stationary magnet on a rotor passing a stationary magnet on a stator
as having an offset in the attraction and repulsion forces in order to perform any work.

But this motor design has a flipping magnet in it that moves through a dead zone.
The energy to flip a magnet depends on the energy between the flipping magnet and the
wheel magnets.  So for me, changing the orientation of the flipping magnet can offset the attraction and
reputation forces between the flipping magnet and the wheel magnets.
Now I know that the educated argument is that no matter where the flipping occurs, whether in the strong flux field or
 a week field, that it can not produce an over unity device because of the conservation of energy.  THat statement has been proven over and over again and is accepted as if it were a rock that can not be moved.
For me, performing some simple tests can be a learning experience for people like me.
As I see it, Wrong as it may be,  Changing the orientation of the flipping magnet can offset the attraction and repulsion forces depending of the distance and area of the flipping action.  The biggest question I have is does it take more energy to perform the flipping of the magnet, than the offset that has been created by the flipping?  Again, the general rule of conservation of energy can be used against it working.
Now someone has recently said that a permanent magnet attached to a metal plate in the ceiling is performing workin keeping the weight of the magnet attached to the ceiling.  So if a permanent magnet can produce work in that example, then why would it not be possible for the permanent magnet to perform work as it is flipping and at the same time it is flipping, it is moving through different levels of flux field strength while one of those area's is a dead zone.

So can a permanent magnet perform work?

When I built an all permanent magnet motor prototype that does not function was very educational for me.
You can say, And you did not learn enough to stay away from All permanent Magnet Motors?

For me I am mostly working with Magnetic motors that include electromagnets along with permanent magnets.
This oddsets the disappointments in working with all permanent magnet motors, but I will always be thinking
about,  If a permanent magnet can produce work, there must be some crumb that was overlooked that can be found
to be able to use the ability of the permanent magnet to produce work in such a way as to build a self-running device.

It is bad enough to have a scientist or an engineer tell me what a fool I am when I will find out for myself when
I build and test these overunity designs.

This is why I think a true overunity All Permanent Magnet Motor will come from a hobbyist, because
the well educated people are so closed minded from rules that are 100 years old and can never be changed until
someone proves them wrong.

Lunkster

Offline Floor

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Re: perpetual magnetic toy and explanation
« Reply #19 on: November 25, 2020, 07:04:01 PM »
@Linkster

Quote from Lunkster
"Now someone has recently said that a permanent magnet attached to a metal plate in the ceiling is performing work in keeping the weight of the magnet attached to the ceiling.  "
End of quote

If that magnet were doing work, then so is a large bolder, that some one
has moved to a position high upon a hill.

            But that bolder is not doing work, and neither is the magnet

Work ....  by definition  ....  is when a object is displaced by a force.

See the explanation attached below @  https://overunity.com/16954/magnets-motion-and-measurement/dlattach/attach/174214/

   best wishes
    floor

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Offline lancaIV

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Re: perpetual magnetic toy and explanation
« Reply #20 on: November 25, 2020, 07:12:18 PM »
Changing the holding = attraction  PM by an electric energy spending EM ?
"Work " definition by energy spending now satisfying resolved ?

Hybrid EM-PM ,PM with by EMF the total MMF magnifying,neutralyzing,diminuation e-coil unwrapped ?

Learning to treat 'definitions/thesis/formulas' correct use !
And from 2020 p.C. review !

Unwrapping e-coil sourced -instead - by steady electricity delivery : pulsation,pulsative ,repulsative
 capacitive,recycleable,fast

winding=capacitor

with Back-EMF-cycle  circuit
Physics + Electro-Chemistry

Lever/Hebel : Physics definition !
Inertia,Physics definition
HUB-/ZUG-Kraft/Force Physics definion and in applying one or the other the input tosame outpt difference
JNaudin : Push&Pull difference
Flynn Parallel Path:  only PM and with EM tests and study
Geminieletricmotor: conventional only 50% from possible MMF transformed,geometry !?
et cet ........

NS and SN 

ccw and cw

1x NS PM +1x NS PM  - counter-rotative : lever= amplificator

(PM + EMF-coil )+ ( PM + EMF-e-coil)


Alignment : orbital direction

From coil unwrapping,band foil unwrapping,EMF-layer ink sputting like solar dots in nano powder dimension
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Offline skywatcher

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Re: perpetual magnetic toy and explanation
« Reply #21 on: November 25, 2020, 11:34:46 PM »
I found some ferrite ring magnets (28mm diameter, 10mm hole) and played around with one of them, and some small other magnets.
But i did not find such a 'dead zone'.  Maybe the ring magnet was too small...   :-\

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Offline glaysonmestre

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Re: perpetual magnetic toy and explanation
« Reply #22 on: November 26, 2020, 12:42:33 AM »
I found some ferrite ring magnets (28mm diameter, 10mm hole) and played around with one of them, and some small other magnets.
But i did not find such a 'dead zone'.  Maybe the ring magnet was too small...   :-\



the dead zone is very small the magnet has to be small, and with a weak local strength his strength using fire

« Last Edit: November 26, 2020, 03:01:25 AM by glaysonmestre »

Offline lota

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Re: perpetual magnetic toy and explanation
« Reply #23 on: November 30, 2020, 07:47:30 AM »

Hello
I have recreated the part. But it doesn't work that way. The problem is the small magnet. Or there are two. It rotates heavily because the forces between the magnets are too great. In one video you can see that the little magnet does not move when it breaks it down. He moves with me.
I write with translator hopefully you can understand that.
Greeting
Lota

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Re: perpetual magnetic toy and explanation
« Reply #24 on: November 30, 2020, 07:58:31 AM »

Hello
at the blue arrows opposite poles are formed. (reply#12)
Greeting
Lota

Offline vineet_kiran

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Re: perpetual magnetic toy and explanation
« Reply #25 on: December 03, 2020, 06:08:29 AM »
Magnetic field of a ring magnet  changes its direction at the center.  Hence instead of using a ring magnet, if we use three small disc magnets with N-S-N arrangement,  will we get the same result?


Earlier I had posted a video showing a ring magnet balancing attractive and repulsive forces.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0LO8IkbJLg

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Re: perpetual magnetic toy and explanation
« Reply #26 on: December 04, 2020, 02:09:34 PM »
The self running permanent magnet motor has 2 flaws, the drag of the bearings and the pull of the flipping mechanism. For the bearings he can use the mendocino magnet bearings. The flipping mechanism is very clever but will also pull. Magnets passing at short distance and even inches away will cause drag. You can't compensate that by the centifugal force of the wheel. After some time the wheel stops because there is no 'extra force' to overcome drag.
Even with my solar non-stop machines, with perfect timing, it is hard to keep them going. That said, one is running for over a year now. With the storage of 'free' solar energy in a supercapacitor and an ultra low power use of 30microwatt, my windowsill machines overcome drag in darkness and many cloudy days.This pendulum swings non-stop for 10 months: http://laboratoiredesynthese.eu/2020/02/27/double-spin-pendulum/

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Re: perpetual magnetic toy and explanation
« Reply #27 on: June 01, 2021, 12:57:07 AM »
update  this guy make replic work  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rR-sdvX2_CE

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Re: perpetual magnetic toy and explanation
« Reply #28 on: June 01, 2021, 04:32:16 AM »
update  this guy make replic work  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rR-sdvX2_CE

Is there someone who can post the English version of what was communicated in the video.

Just think if everyone was always truthful.
I could be seeing the real thing and my mind is asking how is this person fooling me.

A replica is sure a big step in believing this motor.

I want to know what other people are thinking about the video.

If this is true, it is something I have been waiting for, for a very long time.

Congratulations

Lunkster

Offline MagnaProp

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Re: perpetual magnetic toy and explanation
« Reply #29 on: June 01, 2021, 11:46:31 AM »
...I want to know what other people are thinking about the video...
I would like to believe it but remain skeptical for now. It appears to run very well, even when he tilts it 90 degrees to the side. Appears to run too well while he moves it around since it's powered by such weak magnets.

Sadly for me personally, it's not worth replicating. The power that can be had from it is far to small for my flying aircraft use. I would consider replicating it though if more show up since just knowing it's actually possible would help open my eyes to other possibilities.

 

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