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Offline glaysonmestre

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perpetual magnetic toy and explanation
« on: November 23, 2020, 05:18:02 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHty4r697DI&ab_channel=perpetuummobile     


can someone replicate this and see if it really works? i would even do it but i'm out of ferrite round magnets


is amazing this russian  make a replica   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RHKpZUqlu0&ab_channel=IgorBeletskiy

this brasiliam   
trying but still adjusting  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ronodLl9Cw&ab_channel=AntonioIjano

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Re: perpetual magnetic toy and explanation
« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2020, 06:00:10 PM »

is amazing this russian  make a replica   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RHKpZUqlu0&ab_channel=IgorBeletskiy


I like this Russian replication very much, because the inventor developed a better "drive magnet flip mechanism" (using additional little magnets).

I would like a russian speaker to tell me the conclusion given by the russian inventor in the video (does he believe that the wheel is really self turning for a long time, like a day or even longer?).

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: perpetual magnetic toy and explanation
« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2020, 10:36:31 PM »
I would like a russian speaker to tell me the conclusion given by the russian inventor in the video (does he believe that the wheel is really self turning for a long time, like a day or even longer?).

Unfortunately i don't understand russian language but from the translated subtitles (which are not really good) i understand that he analyzed the mechanism in great detail but he thinks that it can not work. When i look at his channel i see that he is building all kind of nice 'perpetual motion' machines but i have not seen one which works. At least he is honest and doesn't produce fakes.

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Re: perpetual magnetic toy and explanation
« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2020, 01:43:33 AM »
 :)
the Russian made the mechanism differently so I think that’s why it didn’t work but at the beginning of the video he moved quite a bit on his own. the Russian mechanism has a magnet to move the lever that must have stopped the system. i'm buying magnets soon i will try to replicate i am very hope that it will work, i have a round ferrite i put a mini neodymium inside it and turned it almost has no resistance it seems to have a dead spot as you say in the video


my first disappointment with a magnetic motor was this video, I was fascinated, I wanted to make it miniature walk with it in my chest as if it were an arc reactor, to have infinite smartphone battery, I was a fool     
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFGiWiXMHn0&ab_channel=szimbiota


my second disappointment was a magnetic motor that i saw in a video i can’t find the video anymore, it was a round ferrite magnet broken in half and inverted pasted it had four aluminum tubes and two more ferrite halves q revolved around the magnets parties at the end of the tubes had weights I thought that crap worked I tried to replicate I spent money.





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Re: perpetual magnetic toy and explanation
« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2020, 03:08:50 AM »
is amazing this Russian  make a replica   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RHKpZUqlu0&ab_channel=IgorBeletskiy

Nice build !
This is basically the same design as @
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4N4TiOHc-g&t=60s

I appreciate that the Russian gentleman.....

1. had the diligence to build it and see for his self.

2. had the integrity to share that it stops rotating at 1 minute and
    24 seconds into the video.

It stops because the momentum is expended. 

It is sometimes difficult to understand that a well balanced / low friction, rotating wheel
can rotate for long periods of time, even though it interacts with a stationary magnet.

In that design the fixed magnet FIRST ATTRACTS THEN REPELLS the wheel magnet/s. 
If these two forces are equal there is nothing to cause the wheel to stop rotating any sooner
than it would if / when there were no fixed magnet involved at all.

regards
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Re: perpetual magnetic toy and explanation
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Re: perpetual magnetic toy and explanation
« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2020, 05:15:35 PM »
This looks like the real thing to me.

What this would mean is that it is time to invest in the companies that mine the rear earth materials used to the permanent magnets.
Anyone can build the magnets once they have the materials.

The sales of permanent magnets will greatly increase.
I may have to build my version of this motor.
Now on one video it talked about heating the flipping magnet so that it is not too strong in strength.

Does anyone have thoughts of how to do this?  What strength of magnet do we want to end uo with?

What magnets should I purchase?  Will any ring magnets do?

Could someone put a parts list together for this motor build?

Will anyone else build one of these motor's?

I may use the duel pendulum approach to optimizing the distances of the flipping magnet and wheel magnet
before I assemble a full wheel with this motor concept.

Out of all the video's I have watched, this is one of the most encouraging one.

Think of how many hobbyist will jump into action of a working all permanent magnet motor.

It would be prudent to see a third party evaluate and place their stamp of approval on this first.
Maybe I will have to wait just a little longer before I start ordering parts.

Lunkster

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Offline skywatcher

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Re: perpetual magnetic toy and explanation
« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2020, 06:56:25 PM »
dont stop spining   :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sX_8WT1Ztw&ab_channel=perpetuummobile

It doesn't slow down during the runtime of the video. So there must be some source of energy to keep it running.
Of course in the base there would be plenty of space for batteries and a coil.

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Re: perpetual magnetic toy and explanation
« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2020, 10:22:03 PM »
It doesn't slow down during the runtime of the video.



but a sustainable magnetic motor will not behave like an electric motor with constant speed ?

it doesn’t seem like a fake, he responds to comments normally,

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Re: perpetual magnetic toy and explanation
« Reply #9 on: November 24, 2020, 10:26:37 PM »
but a sustainable magnetic motor will not behave like an electric motor with constant speed ?
Any motor accelerates until output power (load + friction + other losses) equals input power.

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Re: perpetual magnetic toy and explanation
« Reply #10 on: November 24, 2020, 10:32:09 PM »
don't stop spinning   :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sX_8WT1Ztw&ab_channel=perpetuummobile

The machine is built to run on the principle of what ?

I wish that videos were proof because if they were, we would have 100 free energy machines
already on you tube.

I cannot say definitively, that this device does not work.

I only say that I do not see any reason why is should.

It requires the same amount of energy to pull two attracted magnets apart
from one another... as one can get out from the initial attraction of them together...

given that the line of travel is the same line, during both, the attraction and the pulling
apart.
                     But
I cannot say absolutely, that this holds true of this device because the path of approach is
different from the path away......

However...

the angle / direction of approach, during the approach of the Ferris wheel magnets
toward the OTHER MAGNET, is different from when the Ferris wheel magnet is moving away.

  BUt only....

because the swinging magnet is repositioned by the Ferris wheel's motion,

   And

That energy to reposition the "OTHER MAGNET" is taken from the rotation of the
Ferris wheel.

Again,

well balanced / low friction devices such as these can
coast for 15 to 20 minutes.  More massive devices can
sometimes coast for an hour or more.

Build one to see, is OK with me.

But also keep it in mind to maybe build it with great precision of motion, low friction, very well balanced and also keeping in mind that

the main components might be used in other tests / experiments, if it is built to be adaptable to other magnet configurations ?

  best wishes
   floor

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Re: perpetual magnetic toy and explanation
« Reply #11 on: November 24, 2020, 11:21:22 PM »
well balanced / low friction devices such as these can
coast for 15 to 20 minutes.  More massive devices can
sometimes coast for an hour or more.
If it only uses its initial energy it will decelerate from the start, which should be visible after 15min if it would stop let's say after 30 min.
If the speed remains constant for 15 min there must be an energy source.

The first video is online for 9 months now, but not one single successful replication.

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Re: perpetual magnetic toy and explanation
« Reply #12 on: November 25, 2020, 01:06:34 AM »

the video with technical information was posted on September 18th, I would like to know if what he said about the round magnet is correct?

whoever sees the device for the first time thinks it is fake when I saw the first time I thought it was more of a fake video, but I was intrigued the guy answered the comments


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Re: perpetual magnetic toy and explanation
« Reply #13 on: November 25, 2020, 11:02:21 AM »
remember the steorn orbo, there are two phenomena at play, first it neutralizes attraction to ferrite core when coil is pulsed - this is understandable as local coil field overcomes the outside magnet field and polarizes the magnetic domains so that they are not attracted to outside magnet.

second effect is harder to explain. in this video

https://youtu.be/j3RLp3ezs1Q?&t=38

there are two magnets n and s side to side and toroid coil at 90° in the exact middle between them 8mm distant. magnetic field of the toroid is of course contained inside it and yet, it repels the two magnets. can not be attributed to leakage flux since toroid is wound all the way, no holes.

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Re: perpetual magnetic toy and explanation
« Reply #14 on: November 25, 2020, 03:19:06 PM »
Question;

Even though the flipping magnet is flipping fast, it is not instantaneous.
So think of the rotation starting at one position and completing it's
twist in a different position along the wheels magnets.  Now evaluate all off the relationships during the
flipping action of the forces between the flipping magnet and the wheel magnets.
It seems to me that their could be an offset of attraction to repulsion relationships
in this motor design if the start to stop flipping action occurs in the correct position. 
But I am only a hobbyist,  so weigh what I say lightly.

Now I can see how replications can fail because the designer said that the strength of the flipping magnet
was critical in making this motor design operate.  Again I can see that a magnet that is too strong will extend it's range into the flux area of the other magnets that would hinder the function of this motor design.  Then again, a flipping magnet to week would not provide enough force to add enough torque to the motor to keep it running.  If it took the designer 17 years to get the correct magnet strength and balance to his motor, what makes you think that replications would get it correct the first time?

So if the motor could have more flipping magnets of weaker force could be added to the design, then the additive forward torque they would produce to the wheel could keep it rotating. 

Adding three more flipping magnets as in my drawing would create for times the push from the flipping magnets.  Of course you need to rotate the wheel magnets 90 degrees if you place the flipping magnets to the side of the wheel.  This way you would be taking advantage of the dead spto on both sides of the wheel magnets.

Now if you turned the whole wheel on its side, you would be able to add several flipping magnets to the top and bottom side of the motor.

Lunkster

 

 

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