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Offline sm0ky2

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Re: Documentary on a climate change solution.
« Reply #30 on: August 12, 2021, 04:12:01 AM »
Being that the accumulation of all human activity accounts for only
10% of the effects of vulcanism from roughly 1500-2000 active volcanoes
and less than 1% of the carbon emissions from the 30,000 some undersea faults.


I think its time we start looking towards gravity and magnetism to solve our water problem.

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« Reply #31 on: August 12, 2021, 05:05:25 AM »
MY 2 BOBS WORTH. THE CLIMATE CHANGE IS  THOUSANDS OF YEARS OF ACYCLIC EVENTS.
THE SUN IS THE CULPRIT. BUT THE SUN IS NOT A FREE ENERGY GENERATOR BUT GET ITS FUEL FROM THE BLACK
HOLES IN OUR MILKY WAY GALAXY. THE EARTH MOLTEN C0RE IS A FUSION GENERATOR. ITS FUEL SOURCE IS
 FROM DEUTERIUM FROM THE SEA, OCEAN. THROUGH SEAR GRAVITATIONAL PRESSURE PRESTO FUSION.
HELIUM 3 IS ALWAYS PRESENT JUST BEFORE AND DURING AN EARTHQUAKE.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mra-AmaG33c&t=1226s

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Re: Documentary on a climate change solution.
« Reply #32 on: August 12, 2021, 08:50:00 AM »
Oh no, the climate changes. What is new? When was he last time that climte did not change?

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Re: Documentary on a climate change solution.
« Reply #33 on: August 12, 2021, 12:08:35 PM »
#32 : but the human population did not have to pay for the "climate change" monetary like now the CO2-taxation,
from free market certificate  floating price in the 10 US$/ton range to political at first fixed 50 US$ to 100 US$ to more per ton taxation !


#30 : with which scientifical numbers are you "constructing" your opinion ?


        one example :


        http://ossfoundation.us/projects/environment/global-warming/myths/volcanoes-emit-more-co2-than-mankind


         As of 2010, humans put out on average of around 27Gt (Twenty Seven 'Gigatons') of CO2 per year.
         That's 2,700 million tons compared to natural cycles 200 million ton output.

        compared :

        Being that the accumulation of all human activity accounts for only 10% of the effects of vulcanism from roughly 1500-2000 active               volcanoes and less than 1% of the carbon emissions from the 30,000 some undersea faults.






For me the problem is the "temperature number politization (for partidary and monetary interests) "


when : #5 points


   A.  measurements methodology change ,mechanical thermometer to digital thermometer


   B.  water vapor ,as greenhouse gas, 50% atmospheric temperature change influence


   C. urban heat islands around temperature measurement points


manipulates the physical numbers !


1850/1900 - 1975 : 0,5°Celsius increase          to           1975 - 2030 :  1° Celsius increase ( from -2020 1000´studies as IPCC preview )

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Re: Documentary on a climate change solution.
« Reply #34 on: August 12, 2021, 12:27:37 PM »
AND HOW MUCH TERRA TONS OF CO2 THE VOLCANOES SPLURGE OUT ALL
OVER THIS WORLD. SO ONCE UPON THE VERY VERY DISTANT PAST ALL THAT WAS
IS NOW . THAT IS ALL THE CO2 WHICH IS THE FOSSIL FUEL WAS ONCE IN THE ATMOSPHERE
AND THE PLANTS AND THE ALGEAS MUST HAVE CONSUMED ALL THE CO2 AND STORED IT IN THE FOSSIL
FUEL.

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Re: Documentary on a climate change solution.
« Reply #35 on: August 12, 2021, 12:30:43 PM »
AND HOW MUCH TERRA TONS OF CO2 THE VOLCANOES SPLURGE OUT ALL
OVER THIS WORLD. SO ONCE UPON THE VERY VERY DISTANT PAST ALL THAT WAS
IS NOW . THAT IS ALL THE CO2 WHICH IS THE FOSSIL FUEL WAS ONCE IN THE ATMOSPHERE
AND THE PLANTS AND THE ALGEAS MUST HAVE CONSUMED ALL THE CO2 AND STORED IT IN THE FOSSIL
FUEL.


With spectrometre you can detect from where the CO2 comes (fingerprint)  ! It was observed !


From sub-sea/land-vulcanism or fossil/bio- fuel( incl. forest fire et cet. ) sources ! Or human 1Kg/day emission ! ::)


When we calculate the human emission per year and compare the ppmv in atmosphere we see that there is a ppmv sink :


                                                          sea and land absorbs circa 50%


Important for the CO2 scrubbing engineering :


280 ppmv to 411 ppmv today back scrubbering to 280 ppmv is a quadrillion financial units project ,as base :


1 million ton CO2 from atmosphere scrubbing/cleaning = 300 MW energy source need


https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-atmospheric-carbon-dioxide


 The annual rate of increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide over the past 60 years is about 100 times faster than previous natural increases, such as those that occurred at the end of the last ice age 11,000-17,000 years ago.


131 ppmv in ton CO2 : = 1/3 from total of the right side scale ,billions tons level


https://www.climate.gov/sites/default/files/CO2_emissions_vs_concentrations_1751-2019_620.gif



https://www.iea.org/articles/global-energy-review-co2-emissions-in-2020 


2020 emission 31,5 Gt CO2 from human related sources ( not included the natural CO2 production and emission )






https://welcome.arcadia.com/energy-101/environmental-impact/greenhouse-gas-emissions-natural-vs-man-made


Now, consider what happens when manmade carbon dioxide sources begin their ascent. Yes, the natural cycle of carbon in the atmosphere has been handling 750 gigatons of CO2 every year.
Our 32 ½ gigatons ( edit: 2017 ) seem paltry and inconsequential compared to that, right?


32,5 gigatons/750 gigatons = "only 4.33 %" ::)  “anthropogenic” of total  planetary biospheric emission




one "temperature"-definition and comparing  problem stays : https://www.space.com/17816-earth-temperature.html


So the "new" hottest place on Earth


 is Greenland Ranch (Furnace Creek) in Death Valley, Calif., where it reached 134 F (56.7 C) on July 10, 1913.

But even that distinction depends on what is being measured.
 Death Valley's record is for the highest air temperature.
 
A high surface temperature of 159.3 F (70.7 C) was recorded by a Landsat satellite in 2004 and 2005 in the Lut Desert in Iran.


                                                  56,7 °Celsius max. versus 70,7 °Celsius max.

Satellites can never measure "meteorological" : meteorological temperature = under shadow/windstill/2 mtr. high  condition ,ever !




so we have to ask what is in the IPCC study as number measured and compared :


                            planet Earth A. average air temperature and/or  B. average surface temperature


https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-global-temperature
By 2020, models project that global surface temperature will be more than 0.5°C (0.9°F) warmer than the 1986-2005 average, regardless of which carbon dioxide emissions pathway the world follows.


This similarity in temperatures regardless of total emissions is a short-term phenomenon: it reflects the tremendous inertia of Earth's vast oceans. The high heat capacity of water means that ocean temperature doesn't react instantly to the increased heat being trapped by greenhouse gases.




https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temperatur
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermometer


in dependence from


https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hygrometer


and


https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barometer%23:~:text%3DEin%2520Barometer%2520%28von%2520altgriechisch%2520%25CE%25B2%25CE%25B1%25CF%2581%25CF%258D%25CF%2582,damit%2520eine%2520Sonderform%2520des%2520Manometers.




About "different international standarts " :


https://geography.name/surface-and-air-temperature/

This chapter focuses on air temperature—that is, the temperature of the air as observed at 1.2 m (4 ft) above the ground surface.

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lufttemperatur


The weather stations of the meteorologists measure the temperature at different heights, on the one hand to obtain information about the radiation or energy balance , on the other hand to be able to partially take into account the effects mentioned above.
The air temperature is the temperature that is measured at a height of exactly 2 m in a weather hut protected from radiation.
In addition, the ground temperature is measured: The measurement depths of 5, 10, 20, 50 and 100 cm in the ground are usual.


                                                 1,2 meters versus 2 meters hight


                                                                             EXACTLY !? :o  ( ;D )


                                                             INTERNATIONAL (DIVERS) STANDARTS

IPCC meets Winston Churchill :

                                              "I only believe the statistics that I falsified myself ..."




( So I do correct my monopolar opinion :


Satellites can never measure "meteorological" : meteorological temperature = under shadow/windstill/2 mtr. high  condition ,ever !


                                                                              to now


                                             A.    meteorological temperature = under shadow/windstill/2 mtr. hight  condition  !


                               and/or    B.    meteorological temperature = under shadow/windstill/1,2 metr. hight condition !


                         
                                                   or mixed 8)


                                   We can EVER manipulate other with " exactly  ???  scientifical numbers"   ::) , financial  Dis-/Ad-vantage related )
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Re: Documentary on a climate change solution.
« Reply #36 on: August 12, 2021, 12:47:45 PM »
Quite an amazing place we inhabit
Few miles of breathable air over our heads ( yeah maybe 5...)


Few more and we’re in beginnings of space .... yeah maybe 30 ....?


On a quiet night here , I can hear the people across the sound ... somewhere around the distance
Between the end of breathable atmosphere and beginnings of “space” ( if I look up ??)


A tiny thin layer we get to play in...


It is a privilege beyond imagination and the words to explain
Flying along at 60 thousand or so miles an hour through space ... while spinning at a thousand miles an hour...
And every single piece of it is made of unimaginable number of bits ... all moving in perpetual motion
And in perpetuity.... and as Onepower shared recently
All in a vacuum ( the space between the teeniest spaces ( probably no limit to the teeny)


I believe it’s a privilege to be able to witness and participate in this experience.. a privilege beyond reason or words to explain...


It is truly a miracle ( to me)


And I believe here , all things are possible ( somehow...?)


Seems an opportunity....


Sorry for ramblings, but I truly believe in “we can !!“!


You want to change the world
“Be that change”


Respectfully
Chet K
PS
Oh yes I truly believe this “tapping into the wheel works of nature” is our destiny!


And mandatory...

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« Reply #37 on: August 12, 2021, 03:36:50 PM »
Most people don't understand the future of climate change.

The Earth will not be destroyed... most of mankind will be.

Were just seeing the beginning of a massive depopulation event.

First the heat waves, massive droughts and severe weather events as were seeing today.
Second widespread crop failures on dryland farming causing food prices to increase by magnitudes as were also seeing.
Third massive water shortages due to heat waves making irrigation unsustainable.
Fourth the collapse of livestock production because of a lack of water and feed as were already seeing.
Fifth economic collapse because nobody can work or survive without food and water.

The third world countries are already falling into chaos and
soon it will spread to every country as production supply lines continue to fail.
So we don't have decades we have maybe five to ten years before the SHTF.

Take care my friends.... it's about to get real.

Regards
AC


This is more the monetary effect related :


by known ancient psychological actio/reactio ratio experience

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/247814647_The_King-Davenant_'Law'_in_Classical_Economics

and bushel wheat/gram gold ratio (GOLDstandart) by alternatively fixed GOLD/SILVER ratio(SILVERstandart)

http://pricedingold.com/wheat/

this now as actual currency + termin market contracts lever + common credit-lever 8 


we can expect in future up to 10 times higher market prices (specially : seasonal ) for natural goods/food


in the gold-scene the ounce is estimated with up to 89 000 US$/oz  worth ,the real inflation from the US currency included !

This are more than 50 times the actual "official" trade market price !



Or:


50 virtual finance US Dollars ( media and share market "value" ) represents 1 physical US-Dollar (common commercial bancruptcy rate/ratio )

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« Reply #38 on: August 12, 2021, 05:00:17 PM »
In the news...
Southern Italy hit 48.8 C which could be the highest in European history.
As multiple wildfires and drought ravage the country.

To be honest I don't expect anything or anyone to change.
I expect massive droughts, heat waves, crop failures and countless dead.
I'm just telling you now, the damage has already been done and things are going
to get progressively worse much sooner than expected... Karmas a bitch.

So you boys better start making preparations now not later.
What were seeing is the new normal and it's going to get much worse.

Regards
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« Reply #39 on: August 12, 2021, 05:28:58 PM »

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.berliner-zeitung.de/news/488-grad-sizilien-vermeldet-hitzerekord-fuer-italien-und-ganz-europa-li.176461%23:~:text%3DRom%2520%252D%2520Auf%2520Sizilien%2520ist%2520am,f%25C3%25BCr%2520ganz%2520Europa%2520gemessen%2520worden.


 ???
The previous Italian heat record of 48.5 degrees was also measured in 1999 in Sicily.
 The previous European record of 48 degrees was set in 1977 in Greece.


So we have to record that the european heat record is the 1999 48,5 degrees Celsius !  ::)  Probably now : 48,8°C  ,if stated !?

air temperature measurement ? surface temperature measurement ? surface air temperature measurement ?

                                                      1977 + 22 years = 1999 + 22 years = 2021  8) + 22 = 2043





Do not worry ,what not by humans (directly) destroyed :


" They survived droughts and storms, parasites, wars, crusades.


Now the olive trees of southern Italy are being wiped out by a disease.


The existence of thousands of farmers is threatened.


 :o
Could it be that conservationists are to blame for the epidemic? ...."



https://www.zeit.de/2019/44/olivenbaeume-italien-epidemie-existenz-olivenbauern-naturschuetzer?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F


20 millions olive trees less ,only Italy
+ Iberian Peninsula some millions more,Balkan,Greece,Turkey,.....


Palm trees in North-Africa and southern Europe death or ill .


Agrar/rural culture population :


https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%A9rtola ,citated by Plinius ,75% less in 60 years !   Now 5,6  hab./km²  density !

internal up to 6/7 less population : https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esp%C3%ADrito_Santo_(M%C3%A9rtola)


Olive trees hains,Pine trees culture and other (vine,fruit trees,....) : when the old people dies there are often anymore land and plants maintenance

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« Reply #40 on: August 13, 2021, 05:35:11 AM »
Ianca
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Do not worry ,what not by humans (directly) destroyed :
" They survived droughts and storms, parasites, wars, crusades.
Now the olive trees of southern Italy are being wiped out by a disease.
The existence of thousands of farmers is threatened.
Could it be that conservationists are to blame for the epidemic? ...."

Are you on drugs?... I'm thinking yes.

Just because primitive man survived past periods of chaos by acting like primates in no way implies modern man can.
Most people have zero survival skills and can't even light a fire. Let me enlighten you... if you can't light a fire, find water,
food and shelter as the basics required for survival then your screwed and will be dead within the week of any major disruptive event.

Myself I'm a farmer, I can farm, hunt and fish so surviving is a walk in the park... nature is my park.

So what are you going to do when the SHTF?, post more nonsense?, lol. You really have no clue how bad it's about to get in the
next 10 years do you?. Your a train wreck just waiting to happen...

Regards
AC

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« Reply #42 on: August 13, 2021, 10:06:11 AM »
   " Myself I'm a farmer, I can farm, hunt and fish so surviving is a walk in the park... nature is my park."






Nice words,inspiring,could be a phrase from :


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6lB0opgaCQ   ;)


 :'(  hunt and fish : TIERMOERDER ,unfriendly Nature-Killer :o



"Private household shopping basket"- farming :


https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warenkorb


Food  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_pyramid_(nutrition)   makes only 15% from all " modern civillian household" ware consume !




"clothes and shoes" farming,"hygiene products"-farming," transport vehicle"-farming,"energy and water cycle"-farming,....... !?

"social service(school education,medicine,estate defence, public order administration ,infrastructure maintenance,...)"-farming


"machine(appliance)/spare part"-farming



"society"-de-/farming ?!


Who saves your "farm/-land ownership" (unfriendly visitor/ natural accident ) ?



the individual in the estate system :

in average 50% from work-time salary goes to the social budget system !


the other 50% : consume basket















On drugs ? (Why questioning ,are you also farming "haxixe" ? 8) ;D  Is it an offer ? Then ,pardon-moi,thanks : No drugs !)

https://www.zeit.de/2019/44/olivenbaeume-italien-epidemie-existenz-olivenbauern-naturschuetzer?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F


translated ,from german ,the first phrase :

" They survived droughts and storms, parasites, wars, crusades.
Now the olive trees of southern Italy are being wiped out by a disease.
The existence of thousands of farmers is threatened.

Could it be that conservationists( vulgo "ecologists") are to blame for the epidemic? ...."


Freedom from "civillian over-consume ballast" ? Back from Urbanist to Nomad,24/365 Glamping  ?




Sincerely


OCWL


p.s.:


Nice to find an expert who declassifies " The existence of thousands of farmers is threatened." some-generation settled farmers their skills

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« Reply #43 on: August 13, 2021, 10:25:09 AM »
Humans survived the last (major) ice age with only sticks and stones and intelligence.
The vast majority of us will simply starve in the coming times. Some few will survive.

It is not a crime nor is it a fault that we are mortal, its just nature.
Everyone (as an individual) dies.  All cultures, nations, species and even planets pass in time /
are also mortal.

As the Titanic went down (in the movie),  the musicians looked around, looked to one another
and one said, we are musicians, its been an honor and a pleasure and one said shall we play ?
And they played to the last moments.

Others loaded the life boats and so on, women and children first, that was their skill set.
Still others panicked.
... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...

First the heat and so on, and then the ice age.

The ice sheet that covered most of North America was two kilometers thick.

First people escaping the equatorial regions, then the more polar regions ?

Lets load the boats,
         and then...
                  shall we play ?

            peace, out
 


 

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« Reply #44 on: August 13, 2021, 10:36:32 AM »
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gr%25C3%25B6nl%25C3%25A4ndischer_Eisschild


The ice weight pressures this land shelf how many meters below ?


The average "Groen-/Green-/Gruen-Land-hight actually ,later with less/without ice cap ?


100% ice cap melting nobody expect :


 Accordingly, the Greenland Ice Sheet lost 20 to 30 percent of its mass in this period at partially higher temperatures than in the previous 21st century, [12] [13] [14] with individual studies generally using higher values ​​and a decrease of up to 60 Rate percent. [15]



 

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