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Mechanical free energy devices => mechanic => Topic started by: callanan on January 05, 2007, 07:46:30 AM
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Please see the attached document. Any comments. questions welcomed. But only nice ones responded to.
Regards,
Ossie Callanan
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Ossie,
Thanks for the disclosure. Now some constructive criticism!
I think the title should have been "Possibly A Working Radiant Free Energy System". Think of how much controversy there is about John's circuit. Still some are saying it does not work. As for me to get hold of 6 batteries, the mess on the kitchen table, the wife ... This would not be my first time and I am getting tired
of weddings.
You may have got this system working but have you even tried replicating it for yourself? Different batteries, different coil winding, different wire guage etc?
The description in the doc file really needs to be far more substantial unless you don't mind people endlessly asking you question and in the end calling you names!
By the way I am an engineer myself and I also expect automatically to have the fore Knowledge I have. Don't do as I do!
Regards
AM
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This is great, You say you have charged a few batteries. Is it possible that you are using the potential from the reac?
Also do you have more pics of your set up?
AR
p.s. do you shop at Jaycar? :)
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Hi Ossie
Thanks for the present to start the new year!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I like your presentation and it obviously represents a lot of work on your part.
If you can't get a solid state device to replace the reed switch, what is the lifetime of
the best reeds available?
I am not a techie, but what would happen if you placed a tuning capacitor across the solenoid coil and made it into a tank circuit. What would happen at resonance with the motor speed and the tank circuit?
Tishatang
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WOW! Do you have any other photos? I want to try to replicate your design. Looks good on paper. Nice job!
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So Callanan.
The scematic is with some problems
Not only to take an faster switching diode.
the problem is , that the fully current from
the inductor coil will flow over the read-contact !!
Why?
The 2N3055 Transistor is NOTHING WORKING to amplifying CURRENTS
IF the Base is conected to Collector !!
So the fully current flow only VIA the BASE-EMITTER Diode .
Also if some more "inventors" use this circuit , it will not be better
from them.
Possibly this circuit work , but the REED-Contact will "fire and burn".
Find another way to eleminate that "bug".
Pese
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Hi all,
Let's just look at my reed motor without any REAC connected. Just a battery on the input and a battery on the output. Let's have a look at it's performance as a motor and a motor generator. Firstly I would like to show you how to make the reed switching reliable. See the attached pictures:
Use large/larger reed switches. These reeds have a glass that is 27mm long by 4mm thick. Using exactly the same circuit, put two reed switches in series instead of one. Except mount them such that they are oriented 90 degrees from each other as in the attached pictures. The horizontal reed will oscillate with the coils magnetic field as previously described, but the vertical reed will simply switch on and off. The problem with one reed mounted horizontally is that it sticks and as a consequence the coil stays on and it's magnetic field further holds the reed closed. With this dual reed setup, the vertical reed prevents the coil staying on if the horizontal reed sticks and as the magnetic field is removed when the vertical reed opens so the horizontal reed opens again and both reeds are reset.
The motor is driven by four coils all switched by dual reeds using the same circuit. The motor is in the following picture.
Now here are some interesting facts about the motor's performance that I think you will find interesting. This motor for some reason always spins at a hefty 1200 RPM, almost exactly, no matter what input voltage you apply to it. If you raise the input voltage, the input current drawn goes down.
It spins very, very fast for the little energy it appears to be using. To get this rotor to spins at 1200 RPM using other types of coil drive circuits the motor would typically use at least a few watts. Now just take a look at the following measurements made with an analogue ammeter and a digital volt meter.
With an input of 50 volts, the motor draws only 100ma. So that is an input power of exactly 5 watts. Now here's the clincher! Charging a battery that reads 10.8 volts whilst connected and charging from this motor, the motor is sending 400ma into the this battery! That is an output of 4.32 watts!!! So that means that this motor is only using 680 milliwatts but still manages to run at 1200 RPM!!! This is a fairly heavy rotor with large bearing and considerable magnetic drag. That is an amazing amount of torque for just 680 milliwatts don't you think?
Regards,
Ossie Callanan
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Hi Ossie,
Can you tell me what the purpose of the neon is?
Have you done experiments with the reac? using a capacitor? or a bank of capacitors? Maybe you are zapping the reac batteries and forming some sort of chemical reaction? I am not sure if radiant energy can be stored in a capacitor, i think it can, but it dosent convert it to electricity?
Can you tell me what your power source is? Have you increased it from 12V to 50V? Not that its that important, i am just trying to follow and understand how it is working..
I would like to see what happens if you set up the switching on a different circuit, so that the motor operating battery is not the same as the charging battery. In theory it should be able to charge the battery with very little drain.
AR
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Please see the attached document. Any comments. questions welcomed. But only nice ones responded to.
Regards,
Ossie Callanan
most impressive!
My suggestion is to make the coils huge so that the reed doesn't switch as often.
Big machines are also more impressive. :D
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Callanon,
1- If a battery is charged conventionally, can it also be charged with RE? I mean can the battery hold both types of charge sinmoultaneously.
2- How long do the read relays last?
3- Have you tried semiconductors instead of the read relay?
Regards
AM
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Hi Ossi,
can you or somebody else please post your DOC file
as PDF or just the Ascii text inside a reply posting ?
Not everybody has Winword installed.
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
P.S. Motor looks nice !
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Hi,
i have one 12 V battery, a reed switch, 3055 etc.
can i use this device single battery charge with some modification,
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Hi Ossi,
can you or somebody else please post your DOC file
as PDF or just the Ascii text inside a reply posting ?
Not everybody has Winword installed.
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
P.S. Motor looks nice !
Hi Stefan and All,
The Windows XP (as all earlier Windows versions) has the Wordpad built-in text editor which is able to open documentum files too. (At least I can open Ossie's file with the Wordpad too.) The other built-in text editor, the Notepad is NOT able to open it, it is for text files only.
The Wordpad can be found by clicking START -->All Programs --> Accessories.
rgds
Gyula
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Hi Ossi,
can you or somebody else please post your DOC file
as PDF or just the Ascii text inside a reply posting ?
Not everybody has Winword installed.
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
P.S. Motor looks nice !
Steffan,
PDF version.
AM
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Hi all, some responses:
> Is it possible that you are using the potential from the reac?
Absolutely. Is there more than one way to use and connect the REAC? Absolutely.
> I like your presentation and it obviously represents a lot of work on your part.
Actually, it represents only very little of the work I have done over the years in this field.
> the problem is , that the fully current from the inductor coil will flow over the read-contact !! Why?
Correct, but only for a very small fraction of time. Overall power through the reed, when you take into account time, is very little.
> Can you tell me what the purpose of the neon is?
To save you money replacing the transistor when you forget to connect the output battery then connect the input battery.
> What is the purpose of your paper and this thread?
To show others, who are interested in building things in this field, a simply radiant energy device and system they can build with common components and get some real OU results.
Regards,
Ossie Callanan
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Thanks for the PDF,
I am in this moment at a Win98 PC, where the
Windows Wordviewer is not working and
I did not want to install OpenOffice.
Ossie,
it seems you are exactly doing, what Newman did
with several mechanical switches in series.
You need the mechanical switching for the effect to take
place.
The neon bulb parallel to the transistor also helps to get
the spark converted to glow discharge region, where
we have partial negative resistance.
If you put in series with the coil an incandescent bulb,
you probably can light it by these Current spikes and RF bursts.
If you go to:
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/newmantech/files/new%20Newman%20ASF%20movies/
and watch the 5th, 6th 7th and 8th video
there, you can see, how bright the incandescent bulb in series
with Newman?s motor coil lights up, due to the RF bursts of his
mechanical commutator.
Also these RF bursts can destroy the sulfate of old batteries and
can make them come to live again, so I guess Ossie your REAC is
a good idea to use.
After a while these batteries might be indeed again pretty good
in health.
Regards, Stefan.
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Hi Ossi Callanan, thanks for your open source device and text.
im trying circuit with 12V charged battery, 6V dead battery, reed switch,
coil (2x12V transformer coil), small neon,2n3055 but ,
reed swtich normally open and transistor doesnt work first time.
when small speaker magnet approching, neon lamp short time blinks.
how can i solve this problem, continiuos ossillation how can be do?
your reed switch diffirent? or my transformer coil isnt enought? is your coil wire 0.5mm?
Stefan,
I look yahoo grup files but they are very small size with media player asf files.
in there, i see your charger circuit with 8W fluoresant tube, self running vibrator relay switch.can i use normal relay or another component instead of vibrator switch?
thanks,
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hi ppls,
Maybe instead of the reed switch a trigger coil can be used. with a relay?
This should allow the switching at the same time as the reed sw. but with better contacts.
just wrap the trigger coil around the end of the existing coils core, and test the number of windings to get the correct trigger voltage.
Ar
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I really think anyone who is interested in what Ossie has published should first try to replicate Ossie's work. After that, you can modify anything you want. Read what has said so far carefully and take note before building.
AM
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Test photos.
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test coil2(hissing) photo,with speaker magnet.
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Hi Ossi Callanan, thanks for your open source device and text.
im trying circuit with 12V charged battery, 6V dead battery, reed switch,
coil (2x12V transformer coil), small neon,2n3055 but ,
reed swtich normally open and transistor doesnt work first time.
when small speaker magnet approching, neon lamp short time blinks.
how can i solve this problem, continiuos ossillation how can be do?
your reed switch diffirent? or my transformer coil isnt enought? is your coil wire 0.5mm?
Stefan,
I look yahoo grup files but they are very small size with media player asf files.
in there, i see your charger circuit with 8W fluoresant tube, self running vibrator relay switch.can i use normal relay or another component instead of vibrator switch?
thanks,
Hi Gezgin and all.
this circuit is really good, if you use a mechanical
switch for contact.
Please try it with a motor that turns a
"commutator" with copper-graphite
or copper-chrome
or graphite-magnesium contacts.
This way you can speed up or speed down the speed
of the motor and thus change the contact speed of this "switch" (commutator).
The mechanical switching and the right spark at this switch is
very important for to get a good battery recharging, so
all in all more power is produced, as would come out of the battery.
It is basically the Joseph Newman effect.
It is beneficial, if you put 2 switches in series, so the
spark will be distributed over 2 spark gaps.
This will enhance the effect even some more.
you can also try cerium donated Tungsten rods ( welding supply)
and graphite
for the electrode contacts,
so you also have the Morray negative resistor effect,
amplifying the RF bursts from the spark.
Regards, Stefan.
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Hi,
I thought the following scope shots may convey more detail for what I understand and believe is a requirement for any radiant energy generator to be doing.
The first trace below are the pulses as the magnet passes the coil. These are from my reed switched motors. There are two passes shown here. This trace is across the charging battery.
The second trace below is one magnet pass but with the time base zoomed in.
As you can see, there are about 40 pulses per magnet pass.
The reed arrangement in the circuit I have shown you, does this quite easily and effectively.
For every one of these 40 pulses, when the coil is switched off there is an "Radiant Energy Event" (REE).
The more REEs you can make happen for the least amount of current drawn by your circuit, motor, charger, the more energy the circuit appears to draw out of the vacuum to produce COPs greater than one.
The REE causes what appears to be some sort of vacuum interaction at every impedance change in a series flow from the source battery's positive to the source battery's negative or in reverse of such a description as the case may be. At each series impedance change, if it is a node, then another branch is formed but at a lower energy state. This lower energy state branch will have the same series flow of the REE and vacuum interactions at is impedance changes and will flow through it's own series loop. Thus we can have a hierarchy of series loops of which our REEs will transcend from higher to lower energy states.
There is much more. The main thing, once you have the switching in your circuit right, is to know how to tap the vacuum interactions that occur at each impedance change when the REE flows through it.
Regards,
Ossie Callanan
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Hi everyone,
First many thanks to Ossie for sharing his experience, I'm about to build this as soon as I have the parts and later I'll try to do some variations. So far, as I know (understand) Tesla's theory about radiant energy, this setup makes a lot more sense to me than other setups.
But there is still a whole lot more to explore...
The neon bulb parallel to the transistor also helps to get
the spark converted to glow discharge region, where
we have partial negative resistance.
A question though: what are the ratings for the neon bulb? That in condition of 12VDC power supply.
More specificaly, how could be known where the negative resistance region is and how could I choose the right bulb function of peak to peak back EMF voltage? (I couldn't find neon bulb characteristics)
Thanks again.
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Ossie wrote: -
"With an input of 50 volts, the motor draws only 100ma. So that is an input power of exactly 5 watts. Now here's the clincher! Charging a battery that reads 10.8 volts whilst connected and charging from this motor, the motor is sending 400ma into the this battery! That is an output of 4.32 watts!!! So that means that this motor is only using 680 milliwatts but still manages to run at 1200 RPM!!! This is a fairly heavy rotor with large bearing and considerable magnetic drag. That is an amazing amount of torque for just 680 milliwatts don't you think?"
You will be well aware from all that's been posted on the Bedini Monopole and SG forums that it's not possible to measure the complex current from a motor into a battery with ordinary analogue or digital meters. It's therefore very misleading to say that you have 400mA of charging current from an input of 100mA. Compounding this problem in obtaining reliable figures for calculating power or the coeficient of performance - COP, is that the input current is also pulsing and this adds to the difficulty and the reason why you only appear to have an input current of 100mA, where in fact if you were to accurately measure this you would find that its a lot higher than this. To see this practically, connect your system to a cheap 3 Amp bench supply with the current limit set at max and listen to the overload relay switching in and out. Waveform area mapping is one method that can be used to get accurate measurements when V & I are not in phase but this is quite an involved process. This misunderstanding of power in complex waveforms seems to be a recurring theme in the 'free energy' forums.
You will also no doubt be aware of how well batteries are de-sulfated when connected to motors / energisers that charge batteries using Bedini methods. I suggest from my experience that your REAC, irrespective of size and condition when first connected, will re-condition very quickly and start sharing the load from your motor / energiser. I think Stefan raised this point earlier.
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http://www.stormloader.com/members/pese/fe/messung.html
text expanded to metering battery
to motors
G.Pese
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I agree with Gustav. We should not let wishful thinking cause the interpretation of results falsely.
We maybe trying to compare apples with oranges but not the less, the performance must be measured accurately. Only in this way we can ensure replication and improvements to any system.
AM
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I don't know if I should start my own thread here, but I'm replicating on the windows version of the bendini cole motor, as per this website:- http://www.icehouse.net/john34/bedinibearden.html
Test Bedini/Cole Motor no battery.
http://www.icehouse.net/john34/bedinicolemotor.mpg
Here's a sneak peak of what ive done so far, also ive been compiling notes on construction, and i will post this when finished, If anyone likes to help with how the cct maybe setup, this would help immensely.
Dom
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Please see the attached document. Any comments. questions welcomed. But only nice ones responded to.
Regards,
Ossie Callanan
Thanks again Ossie for sharing this in the forum, I replicated the setup and here are my observations/comments.
At this point I think there is no need for a picture of my system, esssentially being the same are yours (with only one reed switch). The only missing part from setup is the REAC. Not that is not important, but for now I had to understand how is generated and tapped the radiant energy.
First I have to explain myself why I said this setup makes more sense to me concerning radiant energy:
- *Potentialy* it has the spark gap used by Tesla and Ed Gray: the reed contacts
- using a magnet at the spark gap like Tesla to ensure flow in one direction (as explained Dr. Lindemann in "The Free Energy Secrets of Cold Electricity")
- it has a radiant energy colector in direct proximity, capable to produce work (the coil)
- the only missing elements were the charged capacitor used to store energy for the spark and the high voltage.
Now about the "hissing" Ossie heard, I got the same efect, but it was not the coil, instead there were the reed contacts vibrating making that noise. That actualy increased my interest, because I had a mechanism now to restart spark cycles, without a rotary spark plugs.
Later, I also used the additional magnet like Ossie did. The number of pulses increased, the "hissing" was also louder, so more energy to charge the batery.
Because I used only one coil and 4 magnets, I got somehow frustrated about wasting time between 2 magnets. The I thought I could get rid of the flywheel and instead I attached to the reed switch the original magnet the came along (it was that kind of shelf device used to detect when a door is open). Bingo! after removing the flywheel and slight rearangement of the reed agaist the coil, I got the "hissing" which this time it was continous. I charged few batteries (6V and 12 V) with minimum power in 45-60 min each.
The explanation I gave to myself is that actualy, the magnetic field generated by solenoid nullify the magnetic field of perm. magnet, so the switch goes off => then perm. magnet acts again and turns on the reed, current flows againt in the coil, and so on.
Now comes my question: how do I know when a battery is FULLY charged? This is mainly because the need to estimate the COP. I sucessfully charged 2 bat from 1 bat and the discharge time for all 3 of them was prety much the same. To avoid the BS, I would like to know if there is a way to test if a battery is charged at its FULL capacity (joules)
Another important question is if there is radiant energy at all involved here. If anyone can explain, I would much appreciate. I'm a bit blind to what Teasla found obvious and I'm affraid I still don't think out of the box.
Of course this doesn't exclude the later need for switching the bateries (which will require also spending more energy). Also I lack at this time the extra batteries for REAC tests. But it's just a start.
In the end a bit of bitter news. I have an identical second pair reed/magnet and it seems the reed is not as sensitive as the first. Not "hissing" what so ever, although testing with ohmmeter and magnet shows the device is functional. I'm curious if anyone can add their experience.
I'll try to remake the circuit using a regular relay (self oscilating), instead of reed switch, However the questions remain and without a carefull consideration for the test results, no real progress can be achieved.
Thanks,
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I tried reed switch device with different coils but transistor & coil heating,
connected to output small bulb(10W/220V) and get 35 V to 80 V DC with 0.47microF
condenser.
I think 12 V fully charger battery voltage must be max. 13.8 V, barbosi.
didnt try second reed switch yet.
mrd10 can you post bedini motor details.
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barbosi,
You have done some very interesting work.
How about this idea for testing your system:
take 2 similar batteries.
Discharge both fully.
Charge battery 1 for 30 minutes (or what ever you feel right). Discharge in to a known resistive load and record the results(result1).
Again, charge battery 1 for 30 minutes.
Charge battery 2 with battery 1 for 30 minutes.
Discharge each in to a known resistive load and record the results(result2).
If your second set of results show higher o/p than your first set, you have definitely made it.
Regards
AM
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A prety detailed site related to batteries, describing the *traditional* way to charging found at:
http://www.uuhome.de/william.darden/carfaq9.htm
Not very helpfull because we charge with pulses, not DC.
I tried reed switch device with different coils but transistor & coil heating,
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The same here when I tried to remove also the magnet from configuration, and I used the NC contacts of reed. The coil was pretty much on DC, except for the moments the EMF determined reed to open contacts. Hence I switched back to NO contacts with the magnet. I know the circuits seem equivalent, but the results were different. The weirdness of these results make me think we are on something that at the moment I don't fully understand.
Also, related to the setup using the NC contacts, I tried to replace reed&mag with a relay, NC contacts in series with the coil => slef vibrating device to triger the current in the big coil. Although I used a miniature relay, the results were far worst than I expected.
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How about this idea for testing your system:
take 2 similar batteries.
Discharge both fully.
Charge battery 1 for 30 minutes (or what ever you feel right). Discharge in to a known resistive load and record the results(result1).
Again, charge battery 1 for 30 minutes.
Charge battery 2 with battery 1 for 30 minutes.
Discharge each in to a known resistive load and record the results(result2).
If your second set of results show higher o/p than your first set, you have definitely made it.
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The problem I have is I have VERY limited resources, so I try to take the most from what I have (no, I don't ask for money, instead I encourage everyone to make it's own system and post the test results along with personal observations)
I have a 12v battery and two 6V battery from an UPS power suply. The most relevant test I ran and is close to your test sugestion was:
2x6V batteries, 1x55w automotive light bulb as discharge load and the system.
1. fully discharged both batteries: aprox 30 min. down to 3V each measured with the load applied.
2. charged battery *1* to 6.12V
3. With battery *1* as power source, I charged battery *2* to 6.12V
4. fully discharged battery *2* to 3V measured with load applied.
5. using the same battery *1* (not recharged meanwhile) I I charged battery *2* to 6.02V
6. at the end, battery *1* had 4.9V (brief measurement with the load applied)
Conclusion: I charged 2 batteries (one after another) using energy from one battery. Is this OU? I don't know. That was the reason to ask if I could measure the joules stored in battery, as a more accurate energy measurement.
If I recall, while I was playing with the 12V battery, the measurements at the power supply used to charge it were: 13VDC@37mA, coil and transistor cold at room temperature.
I'm curious if anyone else could duplicate experiment. Chances are the reed are different, coils are different, batteries are different. In these conditions can we find a pattern that would help understand:
1. if we have radian energy
2. what is the source (the magnet? sparks? both? other?)
3. how is captured (reed contacts in the glass enclosure? coil windings? both? other?)
4. improvents are the next...?...
Thanks.
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2x6V batteries, 1x55w automotive light bulb as discharge load and the system.
1. fully discharged both batteries: aprox 30 min. down to 3V each measured with the load applied.
2. charged battery *1* to 6.12V
3. With battery *1* as power source, I charged battery *2* to 6.12V
4. fully discharged battery *2* to 3V measured with load applied.
5. using the same battery *1* (not recharged meanwhile) I I charged battery *2* to 6.02V
6. at the end, battery *1* had 4.9V (brief measurement with the load applied)
Just to make sure, you need to charge the batteries based on a fixed time rather than relying on reaching 6.12 volts. Yes rely on voltage on discharging the batteries.
Regards
AM
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Dear Ossie Callanan,
I am currently playing with a Bedini SG which looks for the time being to have a very small FE, lost in the general bigger energy flows of the setup. So no clear overunity at the moment.
(Just as description of my SG: It is a 26" wheel with 18 magnets, coil with 2x900 turns, batteries of 12V/7.2Ah. I tried initially 2N3055 but after a first burn (I disconnected by hasard the second batery and I do not have a neon-bulb) I introduced an BUX85 transistor, which has U=450 V and not the SG works with it too.)
With this setup I have got from one pulse / passing magnet up to 3-4 pulses per magnet.
In order to understand better in which direction I have to improve, I am digging now on my own.
In this respect, I read recently your document "A_working_radiant_free_energy_system", which is very interesting and gives hints not mentioned elsewhere.
After reading it, I have two questions regarding the described approach:
1. It appears to me that it might be possible to drive the base of the transistor (2N3055 or else) with a square wave of 1 - 2 kHz from a 555 circuit, during the magnet passage (which can be validated with a reed or Hall circuit on the opposite part of the wheel). In this way I get also the 20-50 pulses per passing magnet. Should this be an alternate solution for your reed-contact mounted on the coil ?
2. In another Bedini circuit (the one with three windings), a capacitor is charged with the pulses from the third winding and from time to time the capacitor is discharged into the charging battery. Can such capacitor (for instance a 15000 microfarad/100 V or more) act also as "Radiant accumulator-converter" (instead of your reccomended dead batteries which I do not have) ?
I ask because this one is also a dipole, but I do not know if it is sufficient.
Thank you in advance for your advice and best regards.
Bartolomeu01
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Go solid state. Some big clues here in John's circuit.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1998.0;attach=5877;image
Note the thyristor used to do the switching fed back to 555.
Incidentally the door reed switch used in alarm circuits often have the glass type reed inside them anyway just small one.
Rather then producing a single shot you are making a mechanical oscillator based on reed will operate much faster than a relay due to its small size. The relay may switch after the RE has already been and gone thats why is don't work. Because the RE is produced in a time frame that can not be used to trigger a switching circuit it must be done by pure timing. This means trial and error of the mark space ratio so that when sufficient time has passed you switch on the triac to "see" if there is RE to be collected. Do this hundreds of times as the magnet is passing and you should be able to collect even more than what a reed switch can do with better results. There is one tiny reason why this wont work though. The reed maybe producing a tiny spark and this stops electron flow dead in it tracks as Tesla did he tried many things to stop the flow as fast as possible. If your circuit needs a spark then solid state might not work.
Surely one must get close to producing a solid state design without mechanical wheels. What about a coil with a fixed magnet on the end then do the switching an see what happens?. As you said in your MS word notes all your coils hiss when reed and magnet is in the right place. Sounds like one hell of a good RF jammer though i bet your wipe out all the TV's and radios for miles ;)
One thing i cant understand though why using 2n3055's in these old SSG type designs which are mostly well over 15 years old when surely modern power mosfets switch harder faster and easier without input current should show dramatic improvements. Having said that the 555 is almost 40 years old now! Crikey where does the time go? :)
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I like to see this done with an earth battery. If the circuit needs a dipole we give it a very big one. It will also take the old batteries out of the equation that might be recovering. A copper tube and iron tube should work fine. I cant remember which way round they go but should also line up north and south if you have space. If this makes things look worse then leave the south pole in and make the north pole a small antenna instead. The most serious problem with antenna version is your spark gap turns this into a nasty transmitter.
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Hi
I also think mosfets would work beter, but all knew igbt's or mosfest come with a freewhel diode.this shorts out all radiant. I'v heard that first mosfets didn't have diodes, i'd like to experiment with them but havent found any yet.
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Hello there, I am new to Overunity forums.
Did somebody reproduce this device?
@Ossie: did you finally discover if this was working?
I need some info because I would like to build up one, but I will not start if somebody has already checked that it was not working or that the schematics were wrong
Thanks
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Hi
I also think mosfets would work beter, but all knew igbt's or mosfest come with a freewhel diode.this shorts out all radiant. I'v heard that first mosfets didn't have diodes, i'd like to experiment with them but havent found any yet.
Static Electricity == Radiant energy
MOSFET's also used to be very sensitive to destruction by static
electricity, MOSFET's have very high impedance and low leakage
that makes high voltage at low currents destructive.... This also
tends to be why modem digital instruments go haywire when
connected to Bedini machines. And also why Bedini machines
seldom contain capacitors as WVDC cannot be exceeded, even
marginally, without damaging them...Ultimately things do make
sense, even if overunity.
:S:MarkSCoffman
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barbosi said:
...That was the reason to ask if I could measure the joules stored in battery, as a more accurate energy measurement. ...
From my experience in photovoltaic renewable energy research, there a relative problem in determining that:
When two lead acid batteries are discharged, one faster than the other, the slower one discharged will show more storage capacity than the other.
Other types of batteries doing the same thing?
I don't know. I haven't studied that aspect.
Lead acid types are widely available and commonly used in renewable energy systems.
--Lee
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Is anybody still interested about the TOPIC of this thread?
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I've found a simple but effective improvement on Ossie's circuit and this can also be used on any Bedini system.
Basically it charges both batteries( input battery and output battery ) in the same time while running.
See the picture in the attachment!
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John Bedini stated somewhere,this is not good for batteries ;to charge them in the same time when consuming power from them...this will destroy the batteries
Also in http://www.fight-4-truth.com/Schematics.html in front of Image 5 (SG)
you can red: Shawnee charged the primary battery with the generating coil directly, I think, which is the reason she had to change the battery every so often, which is the battery brake-down-result of discharging and charging a battery at the same time.
I've found a simple but effective improvement on Ossie's circuit and this can also be used on any Bedini system.
Basically it charges both batteries( input battery and output battery ) in the same time while running.
See the picture in the attachment!
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John Bedini stated somewhere,this is not good for batteries ;to charge them in the same time when consuming power from them...this will destroy the batteries
The problem is thatthe driving battery is deleivering regular electricity whereas the charging
battery is receiving radiant - cold - electricity. They don't mix.
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Paul-R said:
The problem is thatthe driving battery is deleivering regular electricity whereas the charging
battery is receiving radiant - cold - electricity. They don't mix.
Three questions?
Why does cold electricity mess up ordinary batteries?
and,
Can a battery be designed to accept it?
or,
Can cold electricity be used in some way to charge an ordinary battery anyway?
--Lee
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why not replace the charge battery with really large caps?
Eliminate the battery all together. you could custom design your own 12v Caps, not hard to do.
Jerry :)
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I've found a simple but effective improvement on Ossie's circuit and this can also be used on any Bedini system.
Basically it charges both batteries( input battery and output battery ) in the same time while running.
See the picture in the attachment!
Hi Rob did you try this circuit?
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Ive always wondered about using a large cap instead of a battery. Especially using a Solid state bedini. They charge much better it seems. How would we make our own caps? This I would be especially interested in. How large is the capacitance that one can produce using these DIY caps? Thnaks in advance
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Hi Rob did you try this circuit?
I tried this circuit only in the simulator.I don't know how it behaves in the real world.
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I've built this circuit but it did not work maybe it's because I'm using a trifilar coil winding :-\. I will try it on a single winded coil as stated by ossie.
Ok thanks guys.
Bye.
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Hey LEE
The cold electricity will not mess up the battery ;you will destroy the batteries just when you charging them and using power from them in the same time.
You must connect the battery to load when the battery are not charged and disconnect the load ,for a fraction of time to dump the capacitor charged by radiant (cold electricity) back in the battery.
The capacitor will transform the radiant energy in usable form, instantaneously .This is a little complicated ;you need a mechanical or 555 timer to do this periodically (charging capacitor few seconds and after this, dumping the charge, back in battery).
You can also avoid to using capacitors ,and send the radiant energy in a second battery to recharge it,but must wait one or 2 days to let the battery to transform that energy ,in usable form .After this, you can use it ....
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Sinergicus
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but must wait one or 2 days to let the battery to transform that energy ,in usable form
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Thank you for sharing this!
It will be a very good day when we have more understanding as to "why" the system "works" this way!
Learning the "nature" of nature.
Chet
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Hey LEE
The cold electricity will not mess up the battery ;you will destroy the batteries just when you charging them and using power from them in the same time.
You must connect the battery to load when the battery are not charged and disconnect the load ,for a fraction of time to dump the capacitor charged by radiant (cold electricity) back in the battery.
The capacitor will transform the radiant energy in usable form, instantaneously .This is a little complicated ;you need a mechanical or 555 timer to do this periodically (charging capacitor few seconds and after this, dumping the charge, back in battery).
You can also avoid to using capacitors ,and send the radiant energy in a second battery to recharge it,but must wait one or 2 days to let the battery to transform that energy ,in usable form .After this, you can use it ....
Hi Sinergicus are you sure that if one charge the battery and use it at the same time one destroys the battery with cold electricity that you've said?
I am asking this cause once bedini said that one can do a bedini to a small solar panel so maybe did he mean to do a switch to this to switch it off when using them?
Thanks
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John Bedini stated somewhere,this is not good for batteries ;to charge them in the same time when consuming power from them...this will destroy the batteries
Are you sure that this is actually what Bedini said?
I have been working with feeding impulses from JTs back to the battery for a long time........ I have not seen any sign of my batterys being destroyed.
The problem is thatthe driving battery is deleivering regular electricity whereas the charging
battery is receiving radiant - cold - electricity. They don't mix.
can you define what radiant energy is?
Are you sure that they don't mix?
Is there ANY proof?
You can also avoid to using capacitors ,and send the radiant energy in a second battery to recharge it,but must wait one or 2 days to let the battery to transform that energy ,in usable form .After this, you can use it ....
I do remember a video where Bedini showed that a battery charged with what he called Tesla Impulse Technology would continue to charge for a while after removing the battery from the machine .
The 2 day figure seem ridiculously high to me.
We are talking about an excess charge of Ions on the plates of the battery evening out........I would think that would take maybe a half hour at most.
My opinion is that a battery is a chemical reaction ......it is relatively slow....... the radiant energy spikes are almost instantaneous.
It takes time for the radiant charge to sink in.
I also remember Bedini saying that a radiant pulse is a more efficient way to move the ions in the battery.
It seems to me that if you try to recharge the battery you are using to power your device you will end up mostly running off the radiant spikes because the chemical process takes time ........your battery is acting more like a capacitor than a battery.....simply storing the radiant charge until you use it.
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I also agree with Stephan
The radiant impulses will recondition many of the so called dead batterys you might get from a recycler..........but this might not matter........ they still might serve the same purpose after they are reconditioned.
When talking about a 10 coil bedini ..........Bedini said this " the more batterys you connect to this the machine the more you will get out of it".
gary
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Hi guys I was reading JB guide and it says that to use an SSG charged battery one has to use an inverter. What type of inverter he's refering to? A 12v to 24v inverter?
I think it has a certain truth in this cause when I tried to use these charged battery the SSG could not run.
Any clue?
Thanks
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Hi guys I was reading JB guide and it says that to use an SSG charged battery one has to use an inverter. What type of inverter he's refering to? A 12v to 24v inverter?
I think it has a certain truth in this cause when I tried to use these charged battery the SSG could not run.
Any clue?
Thanks
guruj
As far as I know an inverter is an inverter.
You choose an inverter by the voltage of your batterys and the workload you plan to do.......it would be wasteful to buy a 1000 W inverter to light up a couple lightbulbs
gary
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guruj
As far as I know an inverter is an inverter.
You choose an inverter by the voltage of your batterys and the workload you plan to do.......it would be wasteful to buy a 1000 W inverter to light up a couple lightbulbs
gary
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Hi Resonanceman thanks for response. Do you mean that JB was saying just to do a 12v to 12v inverter than if I understood you clearly?
Thanks
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[A author=resonanceman link=topic=1868.msg234547#msg234547 date=1269557368]
guruj
As far as I know an inverter is an inverter.
You choose an inverter by the voltage of your batterys and the workload you plan to do.......it would be wasteful to buy a 1000 W inverter to light up a couple lightbulbs
gary
Hi Resonanceman thanks for response. Do you mean that JB was saying just to do a 12v to 12v inverter than if I understood you clearly?
Thanks
guruj
I have no idea what JB was trying to say .......
I was just sharing general stuff about inverters.
I personally do not think that there is anything magic about inverters that make them the only thing that will run on batterys charged by a bedini .......
I would say that not everything will run off the batterys......... but if an inverter will run it seems to me other stuff will run too.
I guess a 12 to 12 invwerter is possible but I have nevery heard of anything like that
gary