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Author Topic: AC voltage from single magnetic pole  (Read 39417 times)

nix85

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Re: AC voltage from single magnetic pole
« Reply #30 on: October 08, 2020, 06:51:15 PM »
Just don't imply i am not transparent, i did much for OU awareness over last almost 10 years.

These things are still done in privacy, otherwise they ALWAYS fail.

If you are successful, later you can share all or as much as you feel fit.

Often the solution is sooo simple your intuition tells you "how did i not see it before" and then you realize technology is not the issue, but mankind's awareness and morality.

Look at Don Smith, James Schwartz, Kapanadze or hundreds of other OU inventors.. They gave general directions, not step by step instructions.

Even if exact instructions are given these systems are often delicate and hard to replicate.

Don't give man a fish, teach him how to fish, give him knowledge, inspire him, push him in right direction.

No matter how much i was for it before..I am now more for sharing of essential electrical knowledge that's lacking, than sharing a-b instructions how to build a overunity device.
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bistander

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Re: AC voltage from single magnetic pole
« Reply #31 on: October 08, 2020, 07:09:11 PM »
Quote from: nix85 on October 08, 2020, 05:54:56 PM
Cores are suicide. Enough said.

Hi nix85,
"Cores are suicide." I like to hear more about your statement. Please elaborate.
Thanks,
bi
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nix85

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Re: AC voltage from single magnetic pole
« Reply #32 on: October 08, 2020, 07:19:20 PM »
Well, there are many OU systems with cores, it's just my preference.

Figuera, Kunel..use cores.

I don't.
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ramset

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Re: AC voltage from single magnetic pole
« Reply #33 on: October 08, 2020, 07:44:40 PM »
You seem to have a strong opinion on OU being readily available
And many to chose from ?


Perhaps just one anomaly ?


However small?


This must be your reason for engaging
You have seen things ??


One quick question since air cores are being
Mentioned


Please don’t be offended
Is Rick F someone you consider?











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partzman

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Re: AC voltage from single magnetic pole
« Reply #34 on: October 08, 2020, 08:06:11 PM »
Quote from: nix85 on October 08, 2020, 06:51:15 PM
Just don't imply i am not transparent, i did much for OU awareness over last almost 10 years.

These things are still done in privacy, otherwise they ALWAYS fail.

If you are successful, later you can share all or as much as you feel fit.

Often the solution is sooo simple your intuition tells you "how did i not see it before" and then you realize technology is not the issue, but mankind's awareness and morality.

Look at Don Smith, James Schwartz, Kapanadze or hundreds of other OU inventors.. They gave general directions, not step by step instructions.

Even if exact instructions are given these systems are often delicate and hard to replicate.

Don't give man a fish, teach him how to fish, give him knowledge, inspire him, push him in right direction.

No matter how much i was for it before..I am now more for sharing of essential electrical knowledge that's lacking, than sharing a-b instructions how to build a overunity device.

Nix,

I do not agree with your philosophy highlighted above.  Why?  Well first, show me one valid replication of the inventors you listed above or any inventor that gives only general directions.  Second, most replicators if not all need "instructions" not theory.  For example, I give you one of my theoretical devices with enough info for a device build.  This resembles Citfta's post.

For any that might be interested, this is an improved design of coil/core used in tangential induction.  The idea is to have as large an area in one polarity as compared to the opposite polarity in a coil's        current that has been induced with a tangential PM field.

The pix below is the PM and coil assembly used for this test.  The elongated core is 7 pieces of 1/4 ferrite E cores with 30 turns of 15-34 litz wire and the PM was moved past the core by hand.

The first scope pix shows an area of 2.975mAs for the total current waveform.

The second scope pix show an area of 4.265mAs for the positive area of the waveform.

From this we can calculate the negative area from 2.975mAs-4.265mAs = -1.29mAs.  Therefore, the positive to negative ratio is [4.265]/[1.29] = 3.32:1 .

What good is this?  Well, by using a balancing magnetic or electromagnetic arrangement on a rotor that will null the Lenz effect from the positive PM induction in this case, a very low drag PM generator can be built which should produce OU.

Regards,
Pm   

Pm

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nix85

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Re: AC voltage from single magnetic pole
« Reply #35 on: October 08, 2020, 08:17:20 PM »
Ramset, here is something more than an anomaly, altho low speed and torque, real working magnet only motor. You can see how he placed magnets at 90° to cancel resistance and how extremely delicate it is. Just one simple, raw example.

https://youtu.be/vkcFRLQiVGk?list=PLS6CmWwu5VGmYsgX5-2kFtPsE-iIsXj_o&t=161
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nix85

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Re: AC voltage from single magnetic pole
« Reply #36 on: October 08, 2020, 08:21:47 PM »
partzman here is one valid replication of Kapanadze from Russia, unless you think it's fake.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNMkiIov5NM
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nix85

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Re: AC voltage from single magnetic pole
« Reply #37 on: October 08, 2020, 08:28:01 PM »
Few flywheel vids too

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLS6CmWwu5VGl_vd5AX8FRPp7_nSc3vWbo

Here is a 'secret' for you if you will replicate the flywheel system, use 2:1 reduction from motor to flywheel and 2:1 from flywheel to low rpm alternator (or even 3:1 and 3:1). Flywheel should be 60kg and 60cm wide for 3-4kw excess power. Have not tried this, these are instructions from guy from Brazil who left a comment on YT video with failed flywheel experiment and gave instructions how he succeeded.
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nix85

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Re: AC voltage from single magnetic pole
« Reply #38 on: October 08, 2020, 09:03:46 PM »
Forgot to answer about Rick Friedrich, i am subbed to his channel but that is more less only for entertainment value.
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verpies

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Re: AC voltage from single magnetic pole
« Reply #39 on: October 09, 2020, 01:08:32 AM »
Quote from: nix85 on October 08, 2020, 02:23:17 PM
I am not avoiding anything


Let's see if that's really true...


Quote from: nix85 on October 08, 2020, 02:23:17 PM
You didn't even know the direction of induced voltage nor the current lagging voltage in an inductor,
So below is ANOTHER question for you:


Q: Why do you think that "the current lagging voltage in an inductor" is relevant to the case of a permanent magnet moving across a simple air core coil, as in this video, which was the subject of our discussion ?


How will you avoid answering it this time?  Will you:
1) call me a derogatory name,
2) use an excuse that it is "unclear",
3) use an excuse that it is "irrelevant",
4) use an excuse that it is "too complicated",
5) use an excuse that it is "too simple",
6) claim that if I have to ask that, then you have no comment,
7) claim it is nonsense,
8 ) write "Bla Bla",
9) write that "the sky is blue",
10) ...just ignore it ?
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nix85

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Re: AC voltage from single magnetic pole
« Reply #40 on: October 09, 2020, 01:18:01 AM »
Quote from: verpies

Why do you think that "the current lagging voltage in an inductor" is relevant to case of a permanent magnet moving across a simple air core coil, as in this video, which was the subject of our discussion ?

bla bla

It is not relevant for the video cause coil in the video has small inductance, i wrote clearly that i'm referring to your ideal coil fantasy.

For that it is not only relevant but essential, yet you never happened to mention it, hmm.
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verpies

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Re: AC voltage from single magnetic pole
« Reply #41 on: October 09, 2020, 01:30:44 AM »
Quote from: nix85 on October 09, 2020, 01:18:01 AM
It is not relevant for the video cause coil in the video has small inductance, i wrote clearly that i'm referring to your ideal coil fantasy.
For that it is not only relevant but essential, yet you never happened to mention it, hmm.
So tell me why I should have mentioned it or why do you think that "the current lagging voltage in an inductor" is relevant to the case of a permanent magnet moving across an air core coil with zero resistance ?
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nix85

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Re: AC voltage from single magnetic pole
« Reply #42 on: October 09, 2020, 01:42:05 AM »
Quote from: verpies on October 09, 2020, 01:30:44 AM
So tell me why I should have mentioned it or why do you think that "the current lagging voltage in an inductor" is relevant to the case of a permanent magnet moving across an air core coil with zero resistance ?

Go watch your little animation again and you will notice current only starts to move when magnet stops to move. What do you think is that mysterious delay. The essential point.
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verpies

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Re: AC voltage from single magnetic pole
« Reply #43 on: October 09, 2020, 01:52:31 AM »
Quote from: nix85 on October 09, 2020, 01:42:05 AM
Go watch your little animation again and you will notice current only starts to move when magnet stops to move.
No, the current "moves" anytime the magnet tries to change the amount* of flux penetrating the sc loop. The current also moves while the magnet is still moving, alebeit slower.

Quote from: nix85 on October 09, 2020, 01:42:05 AM
What do you think is that mysterious delay. The essential point.
The current also moves while the magnet is still moving, albeit slower... so this means there is NO DELAY !

I will even go even further and write that in that sc loop, the magnitude of the current does not depend on the speed of the magnet at all. 
For example in this animation, if you held that magnet inside that sc loop with your hand, so that it is stationary, then the current would circulate in that sc loop at constant magnitude ...as long as you hold that magnet there. ...and in this animation - as you hold the magnet outside of the loop, because of the different position of the magnet (and amount of its flux penetrating the loop) at the instant when the loop became shorted.

Quote from: nix85 on October 09, 2020, 01:42:05 AM
I'll give you another hint, inductance is inversely proportional to resistance. Still no lamps on?
No, because resistance is inversely proportional to conductance not to inductance.

Quote from: nix85 on October 09, 2020, 01:42:05 AM
Go watch your little animation again
But I asked you why you think that "the current lagging voltage in an inductor" is relevant to the case of a permanent magnet moving across an air core coil with zero resistance.
I did not ask you what I should do to guess why you think that.

Actually, I am surprised that you sent me back to prof. Belchers animation, because earlier you stated that it is misleading.
Quote from: nix85 on October 06, 2020, 02:07:36 PM
You are wrong. Like i said, your confusion is rooted in that misleading animation. Again, the only difference in ideal inductor is that voltage will lead by 90° degrees just like current will for purely capacitive circuit.



* That change is relative to the amount of flux that happened to penetrate the loop at the instant it became shorted.
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nix85

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Re: AC voltage from single magnetic pole
« Reply #44 on: October 09, 2020, 02:10:55 AM »
Quote from: verpies on October 09, 2020, 01:52:31 AM
No, the current "moves" anytime the magnet tries to change the amount* of flux penetrating the sc loop. The current also moves while the magnet is still moving, alebeit slower.

Wrong.

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The current also moves while the magnet is still moving, albeit slower... so this means there is NO DELAY !

In ideal inductor delay will always be exactly 90°.

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I will even go further and write that in that sc loop, the magnitude of the current does not depend on the speed of the magnet at all.  For example if you held that magnet inside that sc loop with your hand, so that it is still, then the current would circulate in that sc loop at constant magnitude.

You can as well claim that you been to the Moon.

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No, because resistance is inversely proportional to conductance not to inductance.
* The amount of flux that happened to penetrate the loop at the instant it became shorted.

I meant energy stored by coil's inductance is inversely proportional to resistance. More current flows through a coil more energy it stores and bigger the EMF spike upon sudden stopping of current.

Point being, you deny the basic law of physics that in purely inductive circuit current will always lag voltage by 90°. This is the school definition of ideal inductor.

Do you realize how silly it is to deny this. Do you realize ordinary transformer has almost 90° phase shift and that tiny aberration is due to resistance, without it it would have pure 90° phase shift.
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