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Offline onepower

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Re: Free Energy RANT CAFFE ASYLUM
« Reply #150 on: November 20, 2021, 06:52:42 PM »
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What are you stirring up, a U.S   V  Canada divisiveness ?
While you also say "It's the main reason there is so much division in the world at the moment."
hmm

Yes, I was stirring the pot to see what would happened.

Things have changed and it wasn't so long ago you and I would have been severely criticized for our posts. I'm not sure whether this is a good or bad thing yet. Normally if the conversation remains open a disagreement can be resolved in time. However many may have went underground and stopped talking which is not a good sign. I just used the U.S. as an example but it seems to be happening almost everywhere.

Have you noticed many have moved from talking about our differences to acting out there beliefs?.

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Are you bigoted in respect to your place of birth and / or economic status?
These things are accidents of fate.  Things to have gratitude for.  Not things to
take credit for or be bigoted over....

I think we are all influenced by our surroundings and culture more or less.

In any case, good response and my experiment failed. The only people who responded were rational and open minded.

Regards
AC
« Last Edit: November 20, 2021, 11:42:27 PM by onepower »

Offline seychelles

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Re: Free Energy RANT CAFFE ASYLUM
« Reply #151 on: November 22, 2021, 05:51:15 PM »
WOUNDER WHY WE HAVE NOT COME UP WITH FREE ENERGY.
WE DO NOT KNOW SWEAT F... ALL ABOUT ELECTRICITY.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHIhgxav9LY

Offline onepower

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Re: Free Energy RANT CAFFE ASYLUM
« Reply #152 on: November 22, 2021, 06:23:02 PM »
seychelles
There lies the contradiction doesn't it?...

If we actually understood energy, the Primary Fields(Electric, Magnetic, Gravic) and what electricity is then we would have all the energy we could ever want.

Thus it was never a technical problem but a knowledge and understanding problem...

This is by far the best and most common sense explanation I have ever heard...
http://amasci.com/miscon/whatis.html
What Is "Electricity"?, William J. Beaty, Electrical Engineer


Regards
AC

Offline onepower

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Re: Free Energy RANT CAFFE ASYLUM
« Reply #153 on: November 22, 2021, 11:35:19 PM »
Here is another good link relating more to electricity and energy.

http://amasci.com/miscon/energ1.html
ELECTRICITY IS NOT A FORM OF ENERGY, William Beaty 1999

It also gives us some insight as to how free energy works...

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In an AC system, the charges of electricity move back and forth over a distance shorter than a ten-thousandth of a millimeter. In other words, charges of electricity sit inside the wires and vibrate. That's what AC or "Alternating Current" is all about. The electricity does not move forward at all (if it did, that would be a direct current or "DC.") Yet while all the charges of electricity are wiggling back and forth, at the very same time the electrical energy moves forward rapidly. Only the electricity "alternates." But the electrical energy doesn't alternate; the energy flows continuously forwards as waves. That's the key: electricity is the medium, while the waves in that medium are called electrical energy.

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AC

Offline onepower

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Re: Free Energy RANT CAFFE ASYLUM
« Reply #154 on: December 01, 2021, 08:16:45 PM »
Here's a thought...

I have spoken with countless people over the years and many of them were supposedly experts. However not once in all that time could anyone give a coherent answer to two simple questions...
1)What is Electricity?.
2)What is Energy?.

Oh they would ramble on an on about all kinds of things the answers always becoming more complex and contradictory. One would think all this was understood long ago by the way most people talk but they can never seem to answer these two questions.

It would seem to me this would be the logical place to start if we were actually looking for real answers. To understand the basics of what were dealing with and then moving forward from there.

I mean, would we try to build a house without understanding carpentry or build an airplane without understanding aerodynamics?. Yet many presume to want to build an electrical device without understanding what electricity and energy are...

Regards
AC

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Re: Free Energy RANT CAFFE ASYLUM
« Reply #155 on: December 02, 2021, 02:27:40 AM »
   Hey, any one know what is going on with OUR.com.  I can't get on to that site, all day.   
   
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Re: Free Energy RANT CAFFE ASYLUM
« Reply #156 on: December 02, 2021, 03:27:05 AM »
Sometimes different servers or providers in different
Parts of the world have temporary issues .


No problems here today ( NE USA




Offline sm0ky2

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Re: Free Energy RANT CAFFE ASYLUM
« Reply #157 on: December 02, 2021, 03:55:37 AM »
Here's a thought...

I have spoken with countless people over the years and many of them were supposedly experts. However not once in all that time could anyone give a coherent answer to two simple questions...
1)What is Electricity?.
2)What is Energy?.

Oh they would ramble on an on about all kinds of things the answers always becoming more complex and contradictory. One would think all this was understood long ago by the way most people talk but they can never seem to answer these two questions.

It would seem to me this would be the logical place to start if we were actually looking for real answers. To understand the basics of what were dealing with and then moving forward from there.

I mean, would we try to build a house without understanding carpentry or build an airplane without understanding aerodynamics?. Yet many presume to want to build an electrical device without understanding what electricity and energy are...

Regards
AC


When prometheus stole the fire, it was thought to be the power of the gods.
When the kings sent lightning from their fachises, grounded by their scepters,
it was though to be the divine right of governance and ultimate power.


The egyptians though it was a source of gold, as through a process similar to electroplating,
they were able to extract gold from sand and ores using a voltaic cell


Our physicists today will tell you it is an atomic process, an exchange of electrons or a lack thereof


I say it is hogwash


There are clearly two forms, equal and opposite
Electron and Positron
and one cannot exist without the other


Electrons alone do not produce potential
Nor do positrons
But when the two are amongst one another
There is an explosion and a near infinite release of
all forms of what we would call energy


On a leash, in a controlled form as such in our circuits,
the two flow in a 2-way traffic jam, akin to our highways.


“what is it”? What is lightning, what jolts your friend when you
wear wooly socks
what did Thor possess that drove fear into the hearts of his people
what is this thing trapped inside our capacitors and batteries


If it did not have a name, we could describe it by its’ attributes
But this is only a description.

So is the deception in our understanding of this one thing?
Or is it in the question itself?


What is a tree? Really?


Do you know what wind is?
What is heat?
What is cold?


what is light or dark


Offline sm0ky2

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Re: Free Energy RANT CAFFE ASYLUM
« Reply #158 on: December 02, 2021, 04:11:42 AM »
The truth is, we don’t know anything about anything.
All we can do is describe the small part of a thing that we can experience.
This is never all of the thing
Nor is our description ever a substantial answer to what the thing actually is.


100% of math and science is arbitrary


They say math is a universal language, i say hogwash
Our math is arbitrary and only applies to our culture
We’re ignorant enough to assume that a sequential numerical system
is the only possible way to deal with numbers.


Our units of measurement - arbitrary
We could have just as easily said our atmosphere was 42.00175 Pressure Units
instead of “1 ATM”


A Meter?? Inherited from a prehistoric measuring stick
Nothing to do with science


Sea Level? Yeah ummm…. In 1852?




Offline seychelles

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Re: Free Energy RANT CAFFE ASYLUM
« Reply #159 on: December 02, 2021, 05:08:38 AM »
HMMM A METRE CONSIST OF 100 DROPS OF WATER. ONE DROP OF WATER IS PRECISELY
10MM. IT WAS THE BUILDER OF THE PYRAMIDS WHO GAVE THAT TO US.

Offline onepower

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Re: Free Energy RANT CAFFE ASYLUM
« Reply #160 on: December 02, 2021, 08:29:39 PM »
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The truth is, we don’t know anything about anything.
All we can do is describe the small part of a thing that we can experience.
This is never all of the thing
Nor is our description ever a substantial answer to what the thing actually is.
100% of math and science is arbitrary

The "we" part is a delusion at best because we do not all have the same knowledge base, experience and understanding.

For example, right now there could be a scientist doing some repair work on a working zero point energy/anti-gravity craft. That person has probably forgotten more than we will ever know. Would you tell them they "don’t know anything about anything?". I would hardly consider the fact they could travel around the planet in minutes while your stuck in traffic arbitrary.

Thus science and understanding has always enabled some people to do extraordinary things which most others cannot. The people you want to watch out for are the ones who believe they understand something but cannot prove it. Which is just common sense isn't it... if what they claim is true then they should be able prove it.

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Science (from Latin scientia 'knowledge') is a systematic enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about the world.

It's not that difficult to understand and it's the "testable explanations" or proof most have an issue with. Science is all about proving whether something is true or not... we all want to know the truth don't we?.

Regards
AC







Offline Floor

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Re: Free Energy RANT CAFFE ASYLUM
« Reply #161 on: December 03, 2021, 06:47:12 AM »
@ smoky2
        Right on..
... ... ... ... ... ...
@ onepower

Why are electrons attracted to protons ?
                answer...
Because they have opposite charges.
... ... ... ... ... ...
What does this statement mean "Protons and electrons have opposite charges" ?
                answer...
It means they are attracted to each other.

    Is this understanding ?
                answer...
No.  It is arbitrary or simply by agreement.

Offline onepower

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« Reply #162 on: December 03, 2021, 07:55:42 AM »
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What does this statement mean "Protons and electrons have opposite charges" ?
                answer...
It means they are attracted to each other.

This is only partly correct in my opinion.

By "charge" we mean an electric field on the surface of the particle. The proton has a (+) electric field and the electron a (-) electric field. Since opposite electric fields attract so must the particles because the electric field is attached to the particle.

As well in the science literature some experiments replicated the "electric field effect". If two bodies oscillate at the same frequency in a tub of water they attract and if they oscillate 180 degrees out of phase they repel. Thus there is some evidence to suggest that an electric field is due to an oscillating particle disturbing the space (EM waves/radiation) around it. If one particle oscillates at a different rate than another this constitutes a phase shift just like two oscillating objects in water producing attraction/repulsion.   

So the universe is kind of like a sea of energy in a perfect vacuum in which all particle/bodies float.

Isn't science cool?, by using analogies and doing experiments we can begin to understand what stuff is and how it actually works.

Regards
AC





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« Reply #163 on: December 03, 2021, 01:34:52 PM »
By "charge" we mean an electric field on the surface of the particle. The proton has a (+) electric field and the electron a (-) electric field. 

The ARBITRARY decision to name the (+) and (-) of charges occured long before there
were any field      theories    which "explain"  them.

Since opposite electric fields attract so must the particles because the electric field is attached to the particle.

Since opposite electric fields attracting is the arbitrary definition of opposite fields.

As well in the science literature some experiments replicated the "electric field effect". If two bodies oscillate at the same frequency in a tub of water they attract and if they oscillate 180 degrees out of phase they repel. Thus there is some evidence to suggest that an electric field is due to an oscillating particle disturbing the space (EM waves/radiation) around it. If one particle oscillates at a different rate than another this constitutes a phase shift just like two oscillating objects in water producing attraction/repulsion. 

Is it not that ..

If two bodies oscillate at the same frequency in a tub of water (IN PHASE ?) they attract
                   and if
they oscillate (AT THE SAME FREQUENCY ?) 180 degrees out of phase they repel ?

So the universe is kind of like a sea of energy in a perfect vacuum in which all particle/bodies float.

Yea...  the world is    kind of     like an apple whirling silently in space.
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Yea...  the world is    kind of     like an apple whirling silently in space ?

Round, like a circle in a spiral
Like a wheel within a wheel
Never ending or beginning
On an ever spinning reel

Like a snowball down a mountain
Or a carnival balloon
Like a carousel that's turning
Running rings around the moon

Like a clock whose hands are sweeping
Past the minutes on it's face
And the world is like an apple
Whirling silently in space

Like the circles that you find
In the windmills of your mind

Like a tunnel that you follow
To a tunnel of it's own
Down a hollow to a cavern
Where the sun has never shone

Like a door that keeps revolving
In a half forgotten dream
Or the ripples from a pebble
Someone tosses in a stream

Like a clock whose hands are sweeping
Past the minutes on it's face
And the world is like an apple
Whirling silently in space

Like the circles that you find
In the windmills of your mind

Keys that jingle in your pocket
Words that jangle in your head
Why did summer go so quickly
Was it something that you said?

Lovers walking along the shore
Leave their footprints in the sand
Was the sound of distant drumming
Just the fingers of your hand?

Pictures hanging in a hallway
And a fragment of this song
Half remembered names and faces
But to whom do they belong?

When you knew that it was over
Were you suddenly aware
That the autumn leaves were turning
To the color of her hair

Like a circle in a spiral
Like a wheel within a wheel
Never ending or beginning
On an ever spinning reel

As the images unwind
Like the circles that you find
In the windmills of your mind

Pictures hanging in a hallway
And the fragment of this song
Half remembered names and faces
But to whom do they belong

When you knew that it was over
Were you suddenly aware
That the autumn leaves were turning
To the color of her hair

Like a circle in a spiral
Like a wheel within a wheel
Never ending or beginning
On an ever spinning reel

As the images unwind
Like the circles that you find
In the windmills of your mind

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=wind+mills+of+your+mind&t=ffab&iar=videos&iax=videos&ia=videos&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DY8i9-LmUlkE

and science IS cool !

PDF attached below

Best wishes
     floor
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Re: Free Energy RANT CAFFE ASYLUM
« Reply #164 on: December 03, 2021, 03:32:46 PM »
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« Last Edit: December 03, 2021, 07:24:50 PM by Floor »