Well AC, I would tend to agree with your evaluations.Which would lead one to believe that it's just another device readings error.Yet, if any of Joel's devices ran for longer than expected, that would be another thing. Perhaps just using ONE capacitor, would make things easier to analyze to see whats up. As just higher efficiency, is not too exiting.
   
   NickZ   

   AG:   
   Well again, I don't know what you're talking about.  You posted that "Joel states"... But,  AC made that comment, not me. So...   And I do agree with AC, until YOU can prove differently.   Of course, you will never do that... nor replicate anything at all, now will you...   And Joel will not tell us just how long his set up runs for. As it's not really free energy, as far as I'm concerned. And he already knows it, but says that it runs for hours. I doubt it.
  When will we ever get the truth??? Joel has been  playing around with these and other devices for months, and no self runner in sight.     
 What would happen if Joel didn't precharge those caps??? And runs a real load, instead?    How many videos are out there of devices that selfrun? Do any of them really self run? Like to run your house?  Which one do you want to believe in, that have been proven to work? Not one of them, right?   We need more than just more trick videos...and more guys like you AG, to replicate them and show us how well they really work. As you believe what you see, but in this case, I agree with AC. In any case, time will tell... 
    NickZ

NickZ

Well AC, I would tend to agree with your evaluations.Which would lead one to believe that it's just another device readings error.Yet, if any of Joel's devices ran for longer than expected, that would be another thing. Perhaps just using ONE capacitor, would make things easier to analyze to see whats up. As just higher efficiency, is not too exiting.

We could ask a question, could we tell the difference between...
1)A super efficient circuit which operates a load for an extended period of time.
2)An average efficiency circuit which uses an internal gain to overcome most of the known losses to operate a load for an extended period of time.

From experience I found 99% of people wouldn't understand the difference because they look identical. So one device operates at 95% efficiency and the other at 50% efficiency with a 45% gain, what's the difference?. In my opinion there is no difference because the 45% gain qualifies as an increase in efficiency. No mystery, no hocus pocus is required and all we were really looking for is better ways of doing things to increase efficiency in my opinion.

In my opinion FE devices are no different than a solar cell 200 years ago. It was impossible and nobody had any idea how sunlight could be directly transformed into electricity. It was beyond there knowledge and understanding at the time yet here we are.

AC

NickZ

AC:   Good analogy. Yet, it's not the actual device that's analogious,  but the people that oppose it's development and marketing. And that is still working very well for those like Biden or Putin to keeps us paying them and their power companies,  for as long as possible. How convenient, yet the US said that they are broke. Boy, did they blow it....now.  But, I'll tell you when I think that free energy will prevail. When the grid as well as the internet get hacked, big time. That's when...

I found one work around of sorts concerning FE and the grid.

The majority of all external costs with renewable energy like solar/wind power relate to regulations or permitting. However this only applies to the power we export to the grid.

Hybrid inverters are different because there programed to never export power bypassing the majority of permitting required. All the power generated by our devices goes to our house, to charge batteries or for space/water heating. The bonus is that the hybrid inverter can import power to drive loads or charge batteries off peak if wanted.

It's the perfect FE add on because the utility never sees anything exported only a reduction in the power we import. The utility would never know and since the hybrid inverter never exports power the utility never needs to be notified were running a hybrid system. You see, the way it's designed it's considered a hybrid uninterruptible power supply or UPS. Absolutely brilliant in my opinion...

They basically integrated a high efficiency DC/DC converter/battery charger with a high efficiency AC inverter. So I'm kind of pumped about the notion of having wind, solar, micro-hydro and FE devices all falling under the same umbrella. All AC or DC power is fed to the hybrid inverter which manages all the energy flow for me automatically.

Here's the thing, corporations and governments have some pull outside our house but if they ever tried to tell us what we should be doing inside it that's personal and a deal breaker. Nobody wants to go there because it's hallowed ground and they would only end up looking like a douche bag dictator like in Russia or China. As well, we rural country folk have a special place in hell for others trying to tell us what we can and cannot do on our own land and I kind of like it that way.

AC

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NickZ
I found one work around of sorts concerning FE and the grid.

The majority of all external costs with renewable energy like solar/wind power relate to regulations or permitting. However this only applies to the power we export to the grid.

Hybrid inverters are different because there programed to never export power bypassing the majority of permitting required. All the power generated by our devices goes to our house, to charge batteries or for space/water heating. The bonus is that the hybrid inverter can import power to drive loads or charge batteries off peak if wanted.

It's the perfect FE add on because the utility never sees anything exported only a reduction in the power we import. The utility would never know and since the hybrid inverter never exports power the utility never needs to be notified were running a hybrid system. You see, the way it's designed it's considered a hybrid uninterruptible power supply or UPS. Absolutely brilliant in my opinion...

They basically integrated a high efficiency DC/DC converter/battery charger with a high efficiency AC inverter. So I'm kind of pumped about the notion of having wind, solar, micro-hydro and FE devices all falling under the same umbrella. All AC or DC power is fed to the hybrid inverter which manages all the energy flow for me automatically.

Here's the thing, corporations and governments have some pull outside our house but if they ever tried to tell us what we should be doing inside it that's personal and a deal breaker. Nobody wants to go there because it's hallowed ground and they would only end up looking like a douche bag dictator like in Russia or China. As well, we rural country folk have a special place in hell for others trying to tell us what we can and cannot do on our own land and I kind of like it that way.

AC

I have a 4400 watt solar array, an 80' high 1kw Windmill and run an off-grid setup. Huge $10,000 battery bank. I do not grid-tie.  I have an Outback Inverter which I run in HBX mode, in conjunction with 2 flexmax charge controllers, Flexnet shunt monitor, and all the bells and whistles. 

The inverter has built-in transfer switch which monitors the battery bank SOC.  My house auto switches from Battery bank to Grid depending on the SOC of the bank.

The problem I have is I can produce 4.5 Kw at a given time, but my house may only be using 600 watts at that moment.  The battery bank can easily be filled by noon..  That leaves me with a situation where I will be producing 3.9 extra Kw several hours a day with nothing to do with it, so it gets wasted.

Sure I could divert some of the wasted power to some load like a water-heater.  But I use a tankless water heater and having a tank of water at 90 degrees in my basement is of little value to me. 

People usually say "get more batteries and store it"..  But the payback is not worth the cost of a battery bank that large.

The whole problem with Solar and Wind is that they produce when they want to, not when I want them to.  If I could turn the Sun on and off when I wanted, problem solved!  LOL..

In the summertime it works out well though..  I run my pool pump (1200 watts) almost exclusively from the solar.   So waste is much less in the summer months

floodrod

The problem I have is I can produce 4.5 Kw at a given time, but my house may only be using 600 watts at that moment.  The battery bank can easily be filled by noon..  That leaves me with a situation where I will be producing 3.9 extra Kw several hours a day with nothing to do with it, so it gets wasted.

There are lots of options if a person wants to get creative.

For example, I was looking at asic bitminers not for crypto but heating. A good crypto miner can produce enough income to offset the cost of the electricity and we get the heat for free as a waste product. In your case you would mine crypto with all your excess power to generate income. I was looking at the Bitmain Antminer S19 Pro 110TH which is rated at 3250 watts. I literally want max power consumption because I can get 3000w of heat for free. One watt is equivalent to 3.4 btu/hr thus 3000w is similar to running a 10,000 btu/hr gas heater. 

Given, crypto is a scam, a pyramid scheme but that hardly matters as most banking/stock schemes are also a scam. Most of these monetary systems have been corrupted and are designed to fleece there customers.

Think about it, why would anyone use a resistance heater or burn natural gas when our "heater" could be generating income?.
Do the math, https://www.coinwarz.com/mining/bitcoin/calculator

Energy is dynamic and all encompassing in it's nature. Heat is the lowest form of energy which the higher forms of energy tend to degenerate into. Thus all higher forms of electrical energy should do the maximum amount of work before degenerating into heat. Like so... highest form is electrical>>>practical work>>>process>>>lowest form is heat.

AC

Crypto---  Possible..
Ice Machine / Charge neighbors Cars----  not so much..

Excess power is intermittent depending when sun / wind is around.  Excess power could cut off at any moment, ruining the ice batch / or stranding the person charging their car.

It would need to be used on some process that could be interrupted at any time and have no ill consequences. 

I have thought of Crypto mining before, as well as heat generation.  Limited daylight hours in the North East US winters ruins the party tho..  I will have to work the numbers.  Would price of ant miners and hardware needed pay back with the amount of excess I can produce in the winter, with respect of the huge cost savings of Oil heat vs Electric.