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What and how to see this?
https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/44740/new-map-of-antarcticas-icy-edge (https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/44740/new-map-of-antarcticas-icy-edge)
The team identified a perimeter for Antarctica’s ice of roughly 53.610 kilometers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth)
Perimeter Earth = 40.075 Km
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"What and how to see this?"
What the image IS? - IS an artists CON-ception of the strong delusion he/she/it lives under resulting from his/her/its own willful ignorance and unquestioning belief in the indoctrination that all souls upon this rock have been exposed to in the religion of "science".
How to see the image? - As strong evidence of a massive fraud. There are those among "us" who are deceivers, and there are those who are deceived. Too many are by their own free will living the greatest lie of all, and that is how it goes. So sad but too bad for those that are/do.
As for the dimensional discrepancies in Km/mileage - that certainly shows there is something going on that is worth the attempt to figure out just where and what it IS that we actually live upon; IN REALITY.
Most won't even try.
Truth is not always easy or for everyone, but in the end it is just like handcuffs - one size fits all like it or not.
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It is clear to me why Johan_1955 has questions about the earth. He does not know the truth about earth (although he pretends to know the truth about everything).
What Johan does not yet know (but will know after reading this):
The earth expands or inflates! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expanding_Earth (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expanding_Earth)
Of course, mainstream argues against it. But Johan should by now be used to ignoring the mainstream.
I am very proud to have found a conspiracy which Johan_1955 has not known already (or at least has not written about yet).
Greetings, Conrad
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The Antarctic(a ) circle : 15909 Km
The Antarctic(a) ice perimeter : 53610 Km
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"What and how to see this?"
What the image IS? - IS an artists CON-ception of the strong delusion he/she/it lives under resulting from his/her/its own willful ignorance and unquestioning belief in the indoctrination that all souls upon this rock have been exposed to in the religion of "science".
How to see the image? - As strong evidence of a massive fraud. There are those among "us" who are deceivers, and there are those who are deceived. Too many are by their own free will living the greatest lie of all, and that is how it goes. So sad but too bad for those that are/do.
As for the dimensional discrepancies in Km/mileage - that certainly shows there is something going on that is worth the attempt to figure out just where and what it IS that we actually live upon; IN REALITY.
Most won't even try.
Truth is not always easy or for everyone, but in the end it is just like handcuffs - one size fits all like it or not.
Dear TV,
Thanks for your reply, when you have more good info, please?
Did found this one, looks pretty straight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hlzLh903-g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hlzLh903-g)
Kind regards, Johan
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What and how to see this?
https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/44740/new-map-of-antarcticas-icy-edge (https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/44740/new-map-of-antarcticas-icy-edge)
The team identified a perimeter for Antarctica’s ice of roughly 53.610 kilometers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth)
Perimeter Earth = 40.075 Km
Check youor numbers.
Also, you can't tell the difference between 1,000 km and 1.000 km.
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Dear TV,
Thanks for your reply, when you have more good info, please?
Did found this one, looks pretty straight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hlzLh903-g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hlzLh903-g)
Kind regards, Johan
Johan,
You are most welcome and as a pilot myself I enjoyed the X15 video.
Your topic: "Earth Question" caught my eye for what it exposes that few will ever find their way to come to grips with. It is information, simple information that is out there "for all with eyes to see" yet I had never seen the perimeter mileage or source article(s) to be able to connect the dots. Good find from you, Thank you kindly.
After all NASA and NOAA are supposedly trusted sources of "information", and Wiki seems to have the generally accepted size of the generally accepted spinning ball theory pretty darn close.
More "good info": One pilot who has looked for but never seen or found any actual curvature.
I am no "judge" of "good" however I have good vision and other given abilities. Even some learned in the cockpit; like taking in the whole view to carefully observe all that is going on around me and learn to "see the big picture" for what is out there, where I am going, and staying on my own selected course to avoid those buzzing around in the sky blind to what is also out there: other aircraft not seeing "the BIG PICTURE".
"Observing" the other replies I see here - anything I might share would be FLATLY rejected: for instance;
Curiously it was early this morning, long before I read your reply and that from the "hero" that I wrote this excerpt elsewhere:
"2020 vision
The simple fact of having eyes does not automatically mean that one has exceptional vision, or any perception what so ever for that matter when in fact it can be observed that there are many people who are unable to see at all. Also many more who wear corrective eye glasses attempting to improve what sight they do in fact have in one or both of their own eyes. However when it comes to looking out to see “the big picture” a whole lot more than just eyes to receive light are involved in processing the most recently acquired sensory information and adapting one’s own course and plan of action or inaction."
Then I later read; Paul_R's oh so smooooth move and dazzling reply to you.
"Check youor numbers.
Also, you can't tell the difference between 1,000 km and 1.000 km."
That's funny, and seems Paul_R "hero member" is apparently blind to his/her/its own obvious communication skill shortcomings evidenced in his/her/its critical JUDGEMENT of "youor" [sic] abilities or style. But I can be wrong, for all I "know" it might just be his/her/its own willful ignorance in action or maybe even that strong delusion I wrote of in my first and only post to this thread/topic.
"Judging Others
(Luke 6:37–42; Romans 14:1–12)
1“Do not judge, or you will be judged.
2 For with the same judgment you pronounce, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
3 Why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but fail to notice the beam in your own eye?"
Words of wisdom, regardless of belief, faith, or the lack of either.
I would venture to guess that he/she/it is not blind and despite his lack of "good" vision he/she/it also has other gifts he/she/it may or may not even recognize or be thankful for. One can only hope he/she/it can and will seek help with his/her/its own trouble(s) and become a true "hero" member.
Perhaps the hero can first explain to everyone what it will take to fit ~53,000 Km of ice perimeter into a ~40,000 Km perimeter of earth? Then provide a scale drawing depicting it since there are no real single snapshot photo's of the entire earth to be seen from space beyond "low earth orbit" as well?
Better still what about doing up a a scale drawing fitting the ~53,000+ Km of ice perimeter into the area AS SHOWN in the NOAA artist's CON-ception to show what that perimeter would HAVE TO look like?
That would be both "good" and interesting to OBSERVE especially IF coming from Paul_R hero member.
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Better still what about doing up a a scale drawing fitting the ~53,000+ Km of ice perimeter into the area AS SHOWN in the NOAA artist's CON-ception to show what that perimeter would HAVE TO look like?
1. I'm damned if I can be bothered.
2. The perimeter is a meaningless number because it depends on the degree of detail measured.
3. You should apply pi X r squared to the figure for the area to get a notional radius.
4. You have a round to flat conversion to deal with. Stick a postage stamp on a ping pong ball and do the calcs.
What are you driving at? Everything Johan-1955 posts is silly.
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An example : Canada has 9.985.000 sqkm ~ square block with 3160 Km length per side
The block perimeter = 4 x 3160 Km =
12640 Km the perimeter length when calculating Canada as compact landmass ,arithmetical !
But only the coastline from Canada ( without U.S.A. border) measures 243.042 Kilometers length !
I have an one sqm paper in front : 4 sides x 1 metre = 4 metre perimeter
1 cut this paper in 100 same '10 cm x 10 cm' squares : 4 x 10 cm x 100 = 4000 centimeter or 40 meter perimeter
Factor 10 ! But : No magic !
Cutting this 1 sqm paper in 10000 1sqcm squares I will get : 4 x 1 cm x 10000 = 400000 cm = 400 metres perimeter
Factor 100 !
Sincerely
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An example : Canada has 9.985.000 sqkm ~ square block with 3160 Km length per side
The block perimeter = 4 x 3160 Km =
12640 Km the perimeter length when calculating Canada as compact landmass ,arithmetical !
But only the coastline from Canada ( without U.S.A. border) measures 243.042 Kilometers length !
Sincerely
Interesting maths, Lanca.
But the coastline figure depends on the unit of resolution used to measure, as your work with scissors above suggests. If you take each step as a centimetre, it will take a few lifetimes to determine. but one may well end up with a coastline which is bigger than the circumference of the earth. Temporal Visitor and Johan will probably conclude that Cananda cannot possibly exist and is probably invented by the Illuminati to house the Bilderberg group in a hollowed out volcano, in and out of which UFOs are transporting aliens cross bread with humans with DNA allowing them the properties of shape shifting lizards.
In that case, where does my Maple Syrup come from?
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So Felix Baumgartner is knowing the True, and is HOLDING this Still & Quiet from our money!?
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Johan,#11 picture above and picture below comparison : horizon/t linear/curvativ !
Kunst : Perspektive !
Eratosthenes von Kyrene
Und "Pi x thumb"- distance a. assuming b.measuring ' magic' formula
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More clear we can't make:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RJ41aVkPB4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RJ41aVkPB4)
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Incredible, Johan_1955 is also a "Earth Flatter" or "Flat Earher". Is there a single conspiracy theory which he does not believe in?
Greetings, Conrad
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The problem with flat earthers is that there hiding mental problems under the guise of a non-belief which is obviously false.
For example, even a six year old would know if the earth were flat and we kept walking or flying in one direction we would reach the end of it. However we do not and we always come "full circle" right back where we started. As well if the earth were flat no satellites or space craft could "orbit" the earth like they do. We also have decades of real proof the earth is in fact round not flat. So we should be clear "flat earth" is not a belief per se but a complete lack of basic reasoning skills and a sign of mental problems. It came about not because of any facts or valid line of reason rather these people enjoy gaslighting other people.
Belief; trust, faith, or confidence in someone or something.
For example, many believe in a god not because they have any proof one exists rather they have no comprehension how we and the universe came to be. Thus the belief has some merit because the question still remains mostly unanswered to this day. So we should understand the difference between a real belief which has some justification and gaslighting designed to manipulate people which has no justification.
Regards
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Looks clear:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTZwkWLAx9Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTZwkWLAx9Y)
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28000 kilometres per hour the velocity from the human space station I.S.S.,
so this station rounds the globe( for some flat) in 90 minutes or 16 times per earth day !
Sincerely
p.s. : how flat in deep ? Jules Verne : 20 000 Meilen unter dem Meer ::)
'Hohle Welt' : in air miles ~ nautical mile ~ 1852 meters
or 'below the ocean ' ~ below water = earth rock : land mile : 1609,34 meters
Middlepoint calculation : DIE REISE ZUM MITTELPUNKT DER ERDE ,idem Jules Verne
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Summa summarum : 20 000 miles x 2 = belletristrical diameter calculation from middle point
x a. nautical mile b. land mile
the flat earth diameter is between a. 74 080 and b. 64 373 kilometers length
So how fast has the I.S.S. to surround this conceptual "fantasy earth " ?
stupidity versus q.e.d. by facts
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28000 kilometres per hour the velocity from the human space station I.S.S.,
so this station rounds the globe( for some flat) in 90 minutes or 16 times per earth day !
Any minute now, Johan will come back to say that the ISS is "Fake News" and that what we see in the sky is a big light which is switched on west to east and off when it goes back again.
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Looks clear:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTZwkWLAx9Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTZwkWLAx9Y)
After listening to the rousing speech in the video I made the following observation:
I am a good person, I fulfill all demands and commands from the video. And everybody to whom I speak and have ever spoken is also a good person who does no evil. It is alway the others who are bad apples. The video clearly addresses the others.
Some questions of a poor soul who wants the truth:
Some pictures in the video show a hollow earth rather than a flat earth. So what ist it, hollow or flat?
Is the moon also flat? Is the sun flat too?
Where do the thousands of satellites and the space station fly? Where do the hundreds of space probes go? Specially the ones to other planets like Mars, Jupiter and Pluto? Are they all hoaxes? Is the space program a hoax and why would one pull that hoax?
Greetings, Conrad
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Good questions Conrad. What I can't understand is what possible benefit is there for anyone to claim the earth is round if it really was flat? And vice versa. What do the flat earth people hope to do by claiming the earth is flat against all observable facts? None of it makes any sense.
The silly discussion about the perimeter of the Antarctic versus the perimeter of the earth just really blows my mind. Anyone with the least amount of understanding about geometry can easily see how an object can have a greater perimeter than the object it is inside of. Just draw a star inside a circle and see which one has the longer perimeter.
Carroll
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One must be mindful of the delicate matter of mental health.
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citfa
Good questions Conrad. What I can't understand is what possible benefit is there for anyone to claim the earth is round if it really was flat? And vice versa. What do the flat earth people hope to do by claiming the earth is flat against all observable facts? None of it makes any sense.
In the right context it makes perfect sense...https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog/here-there-and-everywhere/201701/11-warning-signs-gaslighting
Gaslighting 101
1. They tell blatant lies.
You know it's an outright lie. Yet they are telling you this lie with a straight face. Why are they so blatant? Because they're setting up a precedent. Once they tell you a huge lie, you're not sure if anything they say is true. Keeping you unsteady and off-kilter is the goal.
2. They deny they ever said something, even though you have proof.
You know they said they would do something; you know you heard it. But they out and out deny it. It makes you start questioning your reality—maybe they never said that thing. And the more they do this, the more you question your reality and start accepting theirs.
3. They use what is near and dear to you as ammunition.
They know how important your kids are to you, and they know how important your identity is to you. So those may be one of the first things they attack. If you have kids, they tell you that you should not have had those children. They will tell you'd be a worthy person if only you didn't have a long list of negative traits. They attack the foundation of your being.
4. They wear you down over time.
This is one of the insidious things about gaslighting—it is done gradually, over time. A lie here, a lie there, a snide comment every so often...and then it starts ramping up. Even the brightest, most self-aware people can be sucked into gaslighting—it is that effective. It's the "frog in the frying pan" analogy: The heat is turned up slowly, so the frog never realizes what's happening to it.
5. Their actions do not match their words.
When dealing with a person or entity that gaslights, look at what they are doing rather than what they are saying. What they are saying means nothing; it is just talk. What they are doing is the issue.
6. They throw in positive reinforcement to confuse you.
This person or entity that is cutting you down, telling you that you don't have value, is now praising you for something you did. This adds an additional sense of uneasiness. You think, "Well maybe they aren't so bad." Yes, they are. This is a calculated attempt to keep you off-kilter—and again, to question your reality. Also look at what you were praised for; it is probably something that served the gaslighter.
7. They know confusion weakens people.
Gaslighters know that people like having a sense of stability and normalcy. Their goal is to uproot this and make you constantly question everything. And humans' natural tendency is to look to the person or entity that will help you feel more stable—and that happens to be the gaslighter.
8. They project.
They are a drug user or a cheater, yet they are constantly accusing you of that. This is done so often that you start trying to defend yourself, and are distracted from the gaslighter's own behavior.
9. They try to align people against you.
Gaslighters are masters at manipulating and finding the people they know will stand by them no matter what—and they use these people against you. They will make comments such as, "This person knows that you're not right," or "This person knows you're useless too." Keep in mind it does not mean that these people actually said these things. A gaslighter is a constant liar. When the gaslighter uses this tactic it makes you feel like you don't know who to trust or turn to—and that leads you right back to the gaslighter. And that's exactly what they want: Isolation gives them more control.
10. They tell you or others that you are crazy.
This is one of the most effective tools of the gaslighter, because it's dismissive. The gaslighter knows if they question your sanity, people will not believe you when you tell them the gaslighter is abusive or out-of-control. It's a master technique.
11. They tell you everyone else is a liar.
By telling you that everyone else (your family, the media) is a liar, it again makes you question your reality. You've never known someone with the audacity to do this, so they must be telling the truth, right? No. It's a manipulation technique. It makes people turn to the gaslighter for the "correct" information—which isn't correct information at all.
The Russian trolls have been very busy trying to convince everyone up is down and white is black and have even admitted the goal is to create chaos in the western world to destroy everything we hold dear. This is psychological warfare and it seems to be working so far, look at the state of the free world from where it was 10 years ago. How did our allies, fellow countrymen and facts become the enemy?, how did our real enemies like the Russians not having any of our values become our supposed friends?.
It's not rocket science... the free world is being blackmailed, duped into destroying themselves.
Regards
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Just draw a star inside a circle and see which one has the longer perimeter.
Carroll
Dear Carroll,
Please, can you draw such a Star image for me?
Thanks and regards,
Johan
Die Erde ist ein Kreis, keine Kugel: Jesaja 40:22, Sprüche 8:27, Hiob 38: 13-14
Die Erde ist fest und unbeweglich: 1 Chronik 16:30, Psalm 33: 9, Psalm 93: 1, Psalm 96:10, Psalm 104: 5, Psalm 119: 89-90, Jesaja 14: 7, Jesaja 45:18, Sacharja 1:11, Hebräer 11:10, 2. Petrus 3: 5
Die Erde hat Säulen und hängt an nichts: 1. Samuel 2: 8, Hiob 9: 6, Hiob 26: 7, Psalm 75: 3
Die Erde hat Enden: Deuteronomium 28:49, Deuteronomium 28:64, Deuteronomium 33:17, 1 Samuel 2:10, Hiob 37: 3, Hiob 38:13, Psalm 46: 9, Psalm 48:10, Psalm 59:13, Psalm 61: 2, Psalm 65: 5, Psalm 67: 7, Psalm 72: 8, Psalm 98: 3, Psalm 135: 7, Sprüche 8:29, Sprüche 17:24, Sprüche 30: 4, Jesaja 5:26, Jesaja 26:15, Jesaja 40:28, Jesaja 41: 5, Jesaja 41: 9, Jesaja 42:10, Jesaja 43: 6, Jesaja 45:22, Jesaja 48:20, Jesaja 49: 6, Jesaja 52:10, Jeremia 10:13, Jeremia 16:19, Jeremia 25:31, Jeremia 25:33, Jeremia 51:16, Daniel 4:22, Micha 5: 4, Sacharja 9:10, Matthäus 12:42, Lukas 11:31, Apostelgeschichte 13:47
Die Sonne bewegt sich, nicht die Erde: Genesis 15:12, Genesis 15:17, Genesis 19:23, Genesis 32:31, Exodus 17:12, Exodus 22: 3, Exodus 22:26, 3. Mose 22: 7, Numeri 2: 3, Numeri 21:11, Numeri 34:15, Deuteronomium 4:41, Deuteronomium 4:47, Deuteronomium 11:30, Deuteronomium 16: 6, Deuteronomium 23:11, Deuteronomium 24:13, Deuteronomium 24:15, Josua 1: 15, Joshua 8:29, Joshua 10:27, Joshua 12: 1, Joshua 13: 5, Joshua 19:12, Joshua 19:27, Joshua 19:34, Richter 8:13, Richter 9:33, Richter 14: 18, Richter 19:14, Richter 20:43, 2 Samuel 2:24, 2 Samuel 3:35, 2 Samuel 23: 4, 1 Könige 22:36, 2 Chroniken 18:34, Psalm 50: 1, Psalm 113: 3, Prediger 1: 5, Jesaja 41:25, Jesaja 45: 6, Jesaja 59:19, Jeremia 15: 9, Daniel 6:14, Amos 8: 9, Jona 4: 8, Micha 3: 6, Nahum 3: 17, Maleachi 1:11, Matthäus 5:45, Markus 16: 2, Epheser 4:26, Jakobus 1:11
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When I read those verses and think of the how can the sun and moon stop or change their rotation without destroying the world, it makes me wonder if God made it stop in a way that would not disrupt the earth, sun and moon. So my thought is that God is also the God of time. So why couldn't He place those people in a different speed or even reversal of time if he wanted to. So My believe is that the earth, sun moon and stars for everyone else was as normal. The people involved in these stories were experiencing a different time table. The sun standing still for them would be a real experience of a longer day.
The Lunkster
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The pentagram (one point up is a symbol for man).
But...
Here is a better example Johan-1955. it symbolizes mankind
putting the animal nature above reason / spirit and so on.
Life / man, turned up side down. Bad not good.
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Thank you Lunkster and Floor for trying to add some common sense to this thread. But I am still confused about what anyone hopes to accomplish by trying to convince people the earth is flat? What possible benefit is it to believe the earth is flat instead of a sphere? I just don't get it.
Carroll
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What possible benefit is it to believe the earth is flat instead of a sphere? I just don't get it.
Carroll
You are looking for sense.
On this subject, if you put "bath bun short of a picnic" into google, you are carried to a discussion of the software driving an Airbus aircraft, arguably a more serious example of barking mad behaviour. At least, this thread has not killed 300 people in a fiery inferno.
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Translate and so ................ Check this out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhqpCNnrRNY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhqpCNnrRNY)
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Maybe to much for some:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McdMMmclGVc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McdMMmclGVc)
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Maybe to much for some:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McdMMmclGVc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McdMMmclGVc)
This video is really too much for me.
I sailed with a 14 meter yacht from the Netherlands to Norway (straight up over the North Sea, heading almost 0°) and I always saw ships, oil rigs and buildings on shore first the top and then more and more of their height.
I also went several times with a cruise ship and made the same observation. But one sits rather high above the water level on a cruise ship, so you might see 20 km, the weather must be good.
Once I sailed with a 12 meter yacht from Harwich to Scheveningen and on the second day of the journey it was absolutely calm and the North Sea was like a mirror. You could clearly see the round seemingly flat area around the ship (like sitting on a round table top) terminated by the horizon not so far away (6 to 10 km depending on being 1 meter or 2 meters above the see level with the eyes) and ships came up from the horizon showing their highest point first.
But I simply looked and did no use high precision GPS, nor Lasers. So do not believe me, make a boat trip yourself.
I heard the story of the flat or concave earth told by people who could see from Konstanz to Lindau (40 km) on the Bodensee. It was explained by reflections on airsheets having different temperatures. This phenomena can only be seen rarely for a short time when the weather is just right (cool air sitting above warm air near the water, the cool air is blown in by strong winds and soon cools the air above the water).
If you shine a laser 60 km through air part of the tight beam scatters and you will see some light 60 km away. In the video they were constantly moving the laser beam till they saw something on the other side of the lake. Well, they saw sometimes scattered rays, not the whole beam which would be many meters wide.
High precision GPS over kilometers is not precise enough to see the leaning of buildings this far apart.
They never show numbers in the video, just endless talk.
I saw a video on you tube, where they tried a laser experiment over water some 40 kilometers. They failed because they could not point the laser accurately enough to do the measurement. The laser always shot way off with the slightest movement of its mounting. Apparently it is very difficult to target a laser beam at something 40 km away.
But if you want to believe that the earth is bent the other way, feel free to do so, no harm is done, because everything will work as if you believed in a spherical earth. And that is a miracle.
Greetings, Conrad
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https://www.davidsenesac.com/Information/line_of_sight.html#:~:text=Visual%20Line%20of%20Sight%20Calculations%20dependent%20on%20Earth%27s,the%20square%20root%20of%20the%20height%20in%20feet.
Wesley
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I tend to think that one participant to this thread may have been
dropped on his head when he was small.
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Maybe to much for some:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McdMMmclGVc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McdMMmclGVc)
Quite correct.
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Truth stands on its own.
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Truth requires few words.
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Conrad
I sailed with a 14 meter yacht from the Netherlands to Norway (straight up over the North Sea, heading almost 0°) and I always saw ships, oil rigs and buildings on shore first the top and then more and more of their height.
Damn you, I love sailing because I'm a prairie boy and the bigger the waves are the more I like them and I love Norway even if I have only seen pictures. Why do you taunt us land bound flat earth prairie people this way?.
The only thing amazing about this thread is that anyone bothers to read Johan's nonsense in my opinion.
Regards and happy sailing my friend, I wish I was with you...
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Yes sailing ....
My experience is the same as Conrad
I remember showing my kids when you climb the mast ..you can see
The ships heading into NY harbor climb out of the water
the higher you climb!!
About 15 miles or so depending on conditions the curvature would show on the bigger vessels
And approaching land/islands!
Or on very clear days look back towards NYC and see half a skyscraper in the water!
Actually during strictest lockdown here air got much clearer....
Onepower
Yes the water is every bit the delight to see/sea
We need to keep it healthy!!
I love Johan and a few others writing here
And wish I had more time to keep up!!
Or sail!!( on foils ...?
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Before you type maybe to look:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lLmW5Y8BFw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lLmW5Y8BFw)
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Johan,did you ever see a "total globe picture ,with all the continents to see ",flat earth indicator ?!
What is your math to calculate the needed distance to get this picture from orbital photography ?
The planet Earth is flat : eine Scheibe ,ein Diskus or taking the old denomination : Tellus /Erd-Teller
plan = flach = flat to Planet/-a
" I have a plan !" Notorischer Flach-Denker ? ;) Oder einer mit Stirn-Glatze ? :D
Auf dem " flachen Lande" redet man platt ,hierbei "nieder" gemeint,nicht " hoch " = nieder stehend fuer "in Hochsprache nicht ausgebildet " , deshalb nach "eigener Facon, frei Gusto,frei Schnauze ugs." !
UNDIKTIONIERT ! Frei jeglicher Diktion,Vorgabe,Vorbild !
Solange diese Plattlaendler sich dabei verstehen,why not !
Platt : prato uebersetzt sich mit Teller, plate uebersetzr sich mit (Flach-)Teller
auch Essens-Platte ,wie Fisch-/oder Schinken-Platte
Aber : phonetischer/orthographischer Sprachenvergleich
Prato/Plate : anstatt r ein l oder anstatt l ein r : igreja/iglesia
Plateau : Tafel / Tisch Kapstadt Tafelgebirge
aber auch Mesa deshalb Meseta,wo ein Cervantes sich einen Anti-Muehlen-Ritter erschuf
Plateau-Schuhe : ?
Tisch oder Tafel : im Italienischen Banca,stehend fuer Wechsel-Tisch/-Tafel,wo Geldgeschaefte " Muenz-Geld gegen papierne Wechsel/Noten" getaetigt wurden;war der Finanzier illiquide ,so erfolgte die "Banca-rotta", der Tisch/die Tafel wurde zerstoert,Geschaeftsverbot !
Noch heute spricht man im Finanzwesen von " Tafel(= Banc/-a/-o) geschaeften" !
Es wird mit "Tafel" aber auch eine soziale Essensausgabe fuer Beduerftige bezeichnet !
Aus dem tabula zu tableau zu mono-phonetisch : tavleau zu Tafel ,vertikal die Schultafel
Wenn "Bank" fuer uebersetzend Tafel/Tisch gesprochen wird wie ist es dann mit Samenbank ?
Grammatisch waere Samentisch/Samentafel zwar korrekt,aber haette so ,der Schwabe wuerde behaupten :
es haett' so sein Geschmaeckle !
Unappetitlich,frivol,provokant,desavouierend !
Man geht tafeln,zu Speis' und Trank ! Die Tafel ist gedeckt !Aber es gibt auch die Ver-taefelung : das Ueberdecken einer Oberflaeche
LP = Langspiel-Platte auf dem Platten-Teller des Plattenspielers
Wofuer steht " Nieder-/Nether"-Landen(pl.) ,derwohl vormals Generals-Staaten,zu unterscheiden der "Spanischen Niederlande",nun seit 1821 "Belgien" genannt !?
Weshalb ,durch wen, als Holland bezeichnet ?
Der Planet ist flach : Pleonasmus ! Aber nur linguistisch,nicht 1:1 materialistisch !
Viele Hobby-Theoretiker sind Alt-/Fremdsprachen-Analphabeten !
Verstehen (deshalb wohl ) nicht Zusammenhaenge und dazu die/den jeweiligen Zeit/Aera,Ort/Raum und des jeweiligem Subjekt den zugeordnetem Objekt-Kontext !
Somit viele Theoretiker nicht Eigen-Denker darstellen sondern nur Nachplapperer, Simulations-Mimikry !
Sincerely
p.s. : lebe in einer Ortschaft namens Vila Cha,Cha steht fuer Erd-Scholle/Boden, der Eigenname als Bezeichnung darum : Vila planense
Auch wenn es sich hierbei um ein Fischerdorf handelt ,die obige Scholle nicht mit der Butt-/Plattfisch- Familien-Angehoerigket zu verwechseln ist,sondern im Sinne der Kontinental-Scholle/-Shelf zu verstehen ist ~ Landmasse
Der gemeine Bauer spricht ja bezueglich seines (Acker-)Grundes von " meiner Scholle/Boden ".
Essbare Scholle in Fischform wird aber auch von den hiesigen Fischern gefangen,heiszt hier : linguado
Logo,is it not !? ::)
Cha oder Chao ( auf Akzentuierung wird hierbei " fahrlaessig" ;D verzichtet,haben aber die romanischen Luso- Linguistiker derselbst Schuld,aus dem lateinischen optimus ins lusitanische "optimo" wurde bei der letzten Sprachreform daraus ein verkrueppeltes " otimo",das tausendjaehrig zugehoerige " p" einfach kastriert ! )
j'accuse,ohne Dreyfuss zu Haenden : Sprach-Holocaust ! Entsetzlicher !
Ruhe es in Frieden,altes "p" ! :'(
Genaugenommen heiszt diese Ortschaft : Sao Mamede de Vila Cha
Mamede fuer vormals Mammonides ,,Mamma ( uebersetzt sich aus dem lusitanischen mit "Busen,Brust",Mamm/-a/-o-Graphy) )dieser soll mit seiner Brust Kinder gesaeugt haben !
mam(m)ar als Verb = saeugen ( nicht verwechseln mit zeugen ;Verwechslungsgefahr : zum Beispiel " Zeugen Jehovas " und nicht " Saeuger Jehovas " )
Ekelhafte Geschichte :-\ , aber fuer die Kirche ein Heiliger ! Sao ~ Sancto,Santo,Saint 8)
Tunten-Gemeinschaft ! ::)
Sprache ist kommunitative Gestaltung,mit Sprach - und als Laut-Bild,
bei jeglicher Gestaltungsfantasie werden ich bei hiesigen "Meer(es)busen" bestimmt nicht nach dessen Brust-/Busen-Warzen suchen ,zwecks dem Saeugen !
Ich schwoere es !
Aber : lieber mare-mam(m)a als mare-moto ( = Seebeben)
Anstatt l ein r ,oder anstatt r ein l
te - ll- us versus te - rr - a
maremoto Seebeben terramoto Erdbeben
motere = sich bewegen
deshalb heissen sich bewegende Geraete : MOTOREN
beim Menschen : MOTORIK ,zu Unterscheiden der Notorik
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IF THE EARTH IS FLAT WHAT IS BELOW US?
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I CAN TELL YOU FOR FREE THAT THE SUN AND ALL THE STARS ARE THE ASS HOLE OF THE MILKY WAY BLACK HOLE.
BET YOU ALL DID NOT KNOW THAT. ALL THE GALAXIES ARE PERPERTUALY RECYCLING ITSELF.
E = MC SQAURE. NOT EVEN LIGHT CAN ESCAPE A BLACK HOLE . ALL THE STARS AND PLANETS
THAT ENTERS IT IS DIASSEMBLED TO THE FIRST ELEMENT WHICH IS HYDROGEN. WHICH IS WHY
THE SUN HAVE BEEN IN OPERATION FOR BILLION OF YEARS. AND IT HAS BEEN REFUELING EVERY
SINGLE SECONDS.
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THE SUN AND ALL THE STARS ARE ACTAULLY STAR GATES TO ANY STARS WITHIN OUR GALAXY.
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IF THE EARTH IS FLAT WHAT IS BELOW US?
No hell below us
Above us only sky.
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' flat earth ' versus 'Reichsapfel ' or Globus Cruciger !
An old story !
Kugel = Globus or Terra/Tellus= Scheibe
ERDAPFEL, repraesentierend die Macht GOTTES, D'IOS = DE IOVE = DE IUPITER
GOTT,romanisch-katholisch, war und ist immer : JUPITER,ein Planet ,der groesste unseres Sonnensystems
;)
Deshalb ist Personen-Kult = Blasphemie ,DEKALOG !
Darum die personifizierte Dreifaltigkeit Haeresie darstellt !
Jesus von Nazareth kein GOTT, sondern ein sterblicher GOTT-Rabbi gewesen
Aber innerhalb unserer Galaxie namens "MilkyWay/MILCHSTRASSE"
bei 100 - 300 Milliarden Sonnen/Sternen/-Sytemen und aktuell hochgerechneten 50 Milliarden Planeten gibt ein Planet,so gross dieser auch sei eine mickrige Figur ab
und an Galaxien wie der unsrigen soll es ueber Milliarden existieren !?
wer nichts zu tun hat der dichtet sich eine Religion
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Monty Python's Galaxy Song
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=just+remember+that+your+standing+on+a+planet+thats&t=ffhp&iax=videos&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DdvwH8Qij0JY&ia=videos
floor
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Yeah however it's a well known fact that magnets cant bent light but GRAVITY CAN
SO THAT FaCKS UP your claim!
Any way EARTH isn't a perfect severe but is slightly do-nut shaped.
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Understandable for free independent people:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1k7_AxiYC8g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1k7_AxiYC8g)
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From the CIA you can find over 43 documents about a Flat Earth and a Firmament!?
One is: cia-rdp86-00513r001343720008-3.pdf
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Oh yeah ,and cause this these Sea(hawk)-EYE-A is also called " Die Firma " !
V.I.P.~ Very Idiotic People ( around)
Attention,Attention : when in an Hotel there is prized chamber comfort by bed with 'Baldachin" this establishment is owned by a mesopotamian conspiracy group :
Ba(a)l -Dach ,Godness Baal Dach= Tect = Firmament
Saddam Hussein, Baal or Baath-party leadership
Geschriebene Sprache und gesprochene Sprache und deren Veraenderung
write,speak,spell,sing
Argus Aguia : A. ein Geier ? B. ein Adler ?
A GUY ? A GUI(-S/-DE) ? fuer FUEHRER/-UNG
A(r)guia (H)Aguia (H)ague (H)awk
Argus ,latin : an hawk ,ein Adler
Aguia,portuguese : " a-guia ,a guia" not " a Geier" = vulture ,but also " an hawk "
Argus
argu-ere anzeigen im Sinne des anklagen/verteidigen
Argu-ment/-s Gerundium des argumentieren
Tribu/-nal FVolks-/Gerichtsbegriffe VFolksgerichts-Hof
Tribu = der VFolks-Stam(m)
Tribunal romanisch : Thing oder Think-Staette saxonisch/saechsisch
Das Ding sg. ,die Dinge pl. entstammt jeweils dieses Grundbegriffes : dem " Thing "
" Gedanken sind Dinge " ,Dinglichkeit
von Dringlichkeit zu unterscheiden
to thin-g/-k ~ Urteilen,Decidere ,gebuehrt fachlich nur Richtern ( evtl. +Schoeffen : Schwurgericht )
Bi-Schof(f) ( bishop/bispo) und Schoeffe : Funktion der Beisitzer !
Geistliche Rechtshoheit versus weltliche Rechtshoheit !
Heutzutage die Gerichts-Liturgie/-Rituale der kirchlichen Gerichte uebernommen
in die ordinaere Alltags-Gerichtsbarkeit :
die Uniformen Toga/Tunika-Verschnitt ,die Rhetorik,die Abhandlungen des Appelations-/Kassationgerichtes !
Recht-Schauspiel : advocatus diabolii entgegen advocatus angelii und dazu den Juror !
Erste bis letzte Instanz !
Farblichkeit beachten : lachsfarbenen Schwuchtel-Purpur mit Fez-Haeubchen !
Das Auge des Gesetzes,Hlg.Roem.Reich Symbol : REICHSADLER,heutzutage Resterampe : BUNDESADLER
Die Erde ist flach,die Erde ist eine Kugel :
Urteil : die Erde ist eine flache Kugel ! ::) Fuer ganz Besondere : die Erde ist eine flache Hohlkugel ! ;D
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And just what are you saying Johan-1955 ?
Do you really expect people to believe that,
that
phony
home made,
silly,
cut and paste,
Jpg file is actually some kind of a CIA document ?
wow
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And just what are you saying Johan-1955 ?
Do you really expect people to believe that,
that
phony
home made,
silly,
cut and paste,
Jpg file is actually some kind of a CIA document ?
wow
Ignorance is exemplified by those who first condemn without doing their own investigating.
It appears you are "first". :(
More to think about on pages 19 through 25 of this "Approved for release" CIA document.
GO READ IT FOR YOURSELF ON THE CIA.GOV SITE.
https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP86-00513R001343720008-3.pdf
Definition of indicatrix
: an ellipsoid whose axes are proportional to the principal refractive indices of a crystal and from which various optical properties of the crystal may be deduced
Then please recall what is cast in bronze ~the equivalent of "etched in stone" on Wernher Von Braun's tombstone for context.
"19 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork." Psalms 19:1 KJV
Wernher, he knew in around 1972 and left you a clue as to what "they" know and you most likely do not.
Can you prove any of this to be "phony" with "objective evidence"? How about just being nice?
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https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/firmament#other-words (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/firmament#other-words)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firmament (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firmament)
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And just what are you saying Johan-1955 ?
Do you really expect people to believe that,
that
phony
home made,
silly,
cut and paste,
Jpg file is actually some kind of a CIA document ?
wow
Quite right, Floor. the man is shallow; a total amateur.
Everyone thinks he's a total dickhead and he responds to nothing.
I think "he" might be a bot. How to test?
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Temporal Visitor ,
Wernher Magnus Maximilian Freiherr = Baron von Braun an his tumulus/tomb-stone
Psalm 19:1
Der Himmel verkuendet Gottes Hoheit und Macht,das Firmament bezeugt seine grossen Schoepfungstaten
Where shall by TEXTANALYSE to find a pro-/contra position to someone his opinion ?
Der Himmel verkuendet Gottes Hoheit und Macht
The heavens declare the glory of God
das Firmament bezeugt Gottes ( = seine) grosse Schoepfungstaten
(and) the firmament(sky/is) sheweth (~ shows ) his " handywork" /creation(s)
In the translation probably to find ,modern defind : syntax error
Hoheit und Macht, 100% 1:1 translation : Dominion and Powership
This was the fundament and arguments for the ' by and with God' monarchies to govern !
www.biblegateaway.com (http://www.biblegateaway.com) : Psalm 19 :1 by Bible-version
Faithfull to the Bible : interpretation ! Also because different meaning !
Jehovah' s Witnesses,Methodists,.......... : " modern anglo-saxonic bible interpretation" -study
And we shall not forget : the Psalms are in original not written and to read in englisch or german,neither latin !
Probably to try with hebrew/aramaeic and the ancient 'Weltbild' and Credo
Firmament : firmare,confirmare
C(h)ristian membership steps : Taufe/baptism - Kommunion/communion - Firmung/Konfirmation /firming
Gesalbter ~ C(h)rist , C(h)risam -Salbung /anointing
In Jerusalem some archaeologists are in a credo/scio dilemma:
by excavations jewish scientists found artefacts,older than the bible ' evolution ' dates !
How old is the ' bible history' : compared Lascaux/Altamira/Neanderthal/ Foz Coa/........... :(
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@ Temporal Visitor
So what, a collection of Russian periodicals and so on in a PDF format
and
Page twenty contains the phrase "flat" earth.
OMG !
In context there, the use of that phrase "flat earth, simply means that the atmospheric phenomena
being discussed is considered within a context AS IF the earth were flat.
Any one
can read it for their self
and
see that this is so.
........
Can you prove any of this to be "phony" with "objective evidence"? How about just being nice?
I just did.
P.S.
how old are you ? Maybe 12 years old.
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Most did come out of Russia:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjTQamK9ABk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjTQamK9ABk)
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Yes,surprised has been the scientists during the beginnings of " space exploration " !
Conventional fly ,January Central-Europe
Altitude : 9000 meters ~ /0,3048 = 29527 feet
Temperature : 55 ° Celsius negative ~ 67 ° F negative
The several spheres,their altitudes and the temperature measure !
Warm-cold-warm-cold
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For the lesser eyes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g32pIISLFTE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g32pIISLFTE)
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floor
Thanks for admitting you found the actual cia.gov document Johan_1955 originally cited.
Thanks for yourself proving the document exists. :) Please do recall his exact words"
From the CIA you can find over 43 documents about a Flat Earth and a Firmament!?
One is: cia-rdp86-00513r001343720008-3.pdf
It appears he provided it for anyone to review the underlying information on their own, and instead
you chose to home in on simplistically attacking the Jpeg illustration in your initial reply to him with
absolutely no mention of the content in the underlying document.
And just what are you saying Johan-1955 ?
Do you really expect people to believe that,
that
phony
home made,
silly,
cut and paste,
Jpg file is actually some kind of a CIA document ?
wow
"wow" indeed, regarding your apparent lack of comprehension of his crystal clear sentence.
You went on to later reply to my comment that included a direct link to the document that you read from to write;
So what, a collection of Russian periodicals and so on in a PDF format
and
Page twenty contains the phrase "flat" earth.
OMG !
In context there, the use of that phrase "flat earth, simply means that the atmospheric phenomena
being discussed is considered within a context AS IF the earth were flat.
Any one
can read it for their self
and
see that this is so.
Quote from: Temporal Visitor on October 14, 2020, 09:36:29 PM
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Can you prove any of this to be "phony" with "objective evidence"? How about just being nice?
I just did.
P.S.
how old are you ? Maybe 12 years old.
Not very impressive but "So what" - It shows you are/were either wrong or mistaken from the get go to be
so rude to him and dismissive of what he presented for evidence supporting his position that is obviously
contrary to yours.
OK context, that is your simple take on what you think, it proves nothing and falls far short of "objective evidence".
Again failing to recognize Johan_1955 specifically brings up the fact that the document does in fact
discuss both; "a Flat Earth and a Firmament!".
You and anyone else surely can dismiss all of this as you choose, but doing so does nothing
to alter the complexity of what is actually discussed in that document besides simply referencing
a ' "flat" earth', including;
"brightness from near sun halo", (there goes the 93,000,000 mile distant sun, and a lot more)
"the firmament", (a positive statement indicating a suspected or known existence)
"in the case of a spherical indicatrix", (as an alternate possibility still open to discovery)
"a method of determining the indicatrix of the atmosphere", (determining an actual thing)
(indicatrix = elipsoid, solid crystaline structure. - THINK container, and the ramifications)
Periodicals perhaps, but on a scientific topic written by intelligent people for other intelligent people
with smarts enough to comprehend the implications and important enough to have caught the
attention of an agency charged with obtaining INTELLIGENCE about what is and may actually be
going on everywhere, including just beyond the "atmosphere"- and surrounding/enclosing earth.
A fair reading of the document reveals topics over your head that you choose to simply ignore.
Your P.S. demonstrates your own ignorance sufficiently and most certainly is childishly ignorant.
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They only can see / talk what THEY are:
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If they would know how to use a search-machine:
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So we can't make them study, mainstream is SPOON-FEEDING them:
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So we can't make them study, mainstream is SPOON-FEEDING them:
There's no kind way of putting this Johan, but since I suspect you are a
manifestation of a second rate software programmer, this doesn't muchmatter.
You understand so little about the NASA memo which you haven't reador uinderstood thsat you will not comprehend any explanation.
You bring this site into disrepute.
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Before i give you the answer...
I would like you to measure the surface area of a colliflower.
Then measure the circumference of the same of any slice thereof.
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Before i give you the answer...
I would like you to measure the surface area of a colliflower.
Then measure the circumference of the same of any slice thereof.
Stefan: i think you should have an award for posts of exceptional elegance,
nay, beauty. i would like to nominate the above.
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The earth IS flat.
When I was just 14 years old, my daddy took me on a flight in his Lear jet. We flew past the earth's edge and then flew under it. To my surprise there were quite a few places where the oceans were leaking through.
Thankfully, there is a global effort from most of the worlds governments (secret / black budget stuff) to plug some of the larger holes before its too late. Otherwise the oceans will just drain out !
Keep up the good work men. The world must learn the truth before its too late.
floor
PS
You guys are aware of the ancient knowledge of the Fakooba, aren't you ?
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Some making clear:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/bgE3zf0ubQc/ (https://www.bitchute.com/video/bgE3zf0ubQc/)
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Do they calculate with "flat earth" or "earth globe" maths : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observatory
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constellation monthly differences based by round geoid or "flat disc" observation ,over all continents
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Just short but very clear explained:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xToO3I59CkU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xToO3I59CkU)
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Neil DeGrasse Tyson debunks Flat Earth?
Have a look
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTenIvtu90k
Try to actually PROVE the spherical earth yourself, you will find yourself coming up short on verifiable evidence.
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So we can't make them study, mainstream is SPOON-FEEDING them:
Re your pink highlighting: This is a FIRST ORDER APPROXIMATION, you daft fool.
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Neil DeGrasse Tyson debunks Flat Earth?
Have a look
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTenIvtu90k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTenIvtu90k)
Try to actually PROVE the spherical earth yourself, you will find yourself coming up short on verifiable evidence.
Get yourself a pocket compass. Buy an air ticket from, say, London to Los Angeles. Then another from there to Tokyo. then another from Tokyo to London. Explain why the compass is pointing roughly west for the whole expedition.
Idiot.
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I think most people these days are happy with the performance of their sat navs that tell them where they are to a high degree of precision. And the whole GPS math that gives them that data is predicated on the earth being an oblate spheroid. The geometry of a flat earth having satellites flying in circles above it would require different math. And there would be nothing to keep the satellites up there anyway.
Smudge
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I think most people these days are happy with the performance of their sat navs that tell them where they are to a high degree of precision. And the whole GPS math that gives them that data is predicated on the earth being an oblate spheroid. The geometry of a flat earth having satellites flying in circles above it would require different math. And there would be nothing to keep the satellites up there anyway.
Smudge
Your idea of GPS is good but, because it undermines them, they will call it "Fake news". They can't say that about a magnet on the end of a piece of string.
Come to think of it, yes, they can. They can say anything they want, however stupid.
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Oh my aren't you some kind of special!
You most certainly didn't watch the ~31 minute video I left a link for, evidenced by your need of an explanation from me as to how to make your go West circumnavigation flight.
Get yourself a pocket compass. Buy an air ticket from, say, London to Los Angeles. Then another from there to Tokyo. then another from Tokyo to London.
Like I wrote before that your reading comprehension wasn't so good, well now it appears your memory isn't all that sharp either since you seem to have forgotten that I am a pilot.
That said you should have known my flying time involves navigating with far better than just "a pocket compass".
Explain why the compass is pointing roughly west for the whole expedition.
OK: Sure I can and will kindly explain it to you;
BUT YOU NEED TO KNOW I cannot UNDERSTAND IT FOR YOU.
Lines of LATITUDE are E/W on either model. Lines of Longitude are N/S on either theoretical model.
Globe models theorize N pole on top center, and S on bottom center of a 1 rpm - 1040 mph spinning ball in space.
F.E. models vary, but many also theorize N pole at center, surrounded by an outermost S pole ring, and having the same rings of latitude as the spinning ball theory between the poles.
Your selection of destinations are roughly about the same ~40 degree LATITUDE, and circular flight plans without regard to either belief system.
Here is the last 5 minutes of the video you never watched https://youtu.be/TTenIvtu90k?t=1650
It covers the exact explanation you need.
Idiot.
You really don't need to show/prove your own ignorance any further, it is a self evident truth though I wish it wasn't so. Still sincerely looking forward to seeing it change when you realize your beliefs cannot irrefutably prove earth is a globe. (I tried, I still don't know, I have many serious unanswered questions and I admit it.)
Do some research yourself about your theoretical model and all the assumptions you need to rely on to support it to explain the "curved water" needed but can't be found as it is proven fact it always seeks level and no experiment ever done shows differently OR any curvature all.
Please do "Take all the time you need" or just know You are "cleared for takeoff" at your discretion.
Got wings?.
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... since you seem to have forgotten that I am a pilot.
Here is the last 5 minutes of the video you never watched https://youtu.be/TTenIvtu90k?t=1650 (https://youtu.be/TTenIvtu90k?t=1650)
It covers the exact explanation you need.
I don't believe you are a pilot.
You've achieved a monopole. The model does not show the south pole or the lines of force between them.
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I don't believe you are a pilot.
You've achieved a monopole. The model does not show the south pole or the lines of force between them.
You might be interested in the following-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPlNcJ_IC5w
Pm
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Thank you for doubting me, if you knew me at all you would "know" I can typically back up my words rather well.
I live to WORK and tell the truth. (Might even be the only reason.)
I have no reason to lie to you or anyone about that fact.
It is really no big deal to anyone else but does represent just one small achievement of several I set and hoped for myself to be able accomplish in and with aircraft during my life. You wouldn't believe the others either, but so what the "objective evidence" or proof is available to those who have gotten to know me somewhat better. Who "knows" - perhaps you might try.
Here is where you could prove it from .gov records https://amsrvs.registry.faa.gov/airmeninquiry/Main.aspx
I even looked for myself and found myself to be listed, imagine that.
However you are missing certain "knowledge" needed to see it for yourself, and there is no real need at this point.
I don't believe you are a pilot.
You've achieved a monopole. The model does not show the south pole or the lines of force between them.
No I have not achieved a monopole. You might think that, but that WORK belongs to another - not me.
Not my model either it was to let you see what I explained.
You are welcome to do as you decide: From nothing comes nothing. - Those who do nothing get nothing.
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Here is where you could prove it from .gov records https://amsrvs.registry.faa.gov/airmeninquiry/Main.aspx (https://amsrvs.registry.faa.gov/airmeninquiry/Main.aspx)
How can we prove without knowing your name and details?
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"You've achieved a monopole. The model does not show the south pole or the lines of force between them".
No I have not achieved a monopole...
... and so where is your explanation for the south pole and the lines of force?
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500 years after Fernao de Magalhaes/Ferdinand de Magellan his expedition :
the expedition target : the found from the assumed terrestrical anti-pol(e) :
Terra( ~Land/-mass) Australis (~South/Southern)
assumption : the planet is round,a globe
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Die Alexander Gerst Show, what a jurk, could work for Bertelsmann:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QV7taJJf7u8&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QV7taJJf7u8&feature=youtu.be)
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500 years after Fernao de Magalhaes/Ferdinand de Magellan his expedition :
the expedition target : the found from the assumed terrestrical anti-pol(e) :
Terra( ~Land/-mass) Australis (~South/Southern)
assumption : the planet is round,a globe
Yes, but you are talking about reality. I was asking aboutthis guy's fantasy land.
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How can we prove without knowing your name and details?
Proof of being a pilot does not prove anything beyond just that: So why does proving it matter to a discussion here?
As you don't believe me about being a pilot; you give me no logical reason to believe you would believe anything from me whatsoever.
If that matters so much to you then you can do your own research since there is plenty of info on OU for you to choose from.
... and so where is your explanation for the south pole and the lines of force?
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You are the one who claimed a monopole - the burden of proof is on you. Too bad you can't carry it.
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You are the one who claimed a monopole - the burden of proof is on you. Too bad you can't carry it.
Of course I can't; they don't exist. That's the point. And bang goes your daft "proof".
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Of course I can't; they don't exist. That's the point. And bang goes your daft "proof".
You fail to realize I have nothing to prove to you or anyone else. You have a problem with knowing there are others who are not of the same herd mentality mindset/worldview as you. It bothers YOU enough to be insulting.
I don't give a flying fuck about you and your fucked up mind set.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0peS1oxYLo
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You fail to realize I have nothing to prove to you or anyone else
Yes, you do - if you want to retain any credibility. You depend on a model which needs a magnetic monopole. Please explain or appear absurd.
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Can this also happen with the planet his magnetic force orientation ?
DE2644927 homopolar magnet process
Sincerely
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Can this also happen with the planet his magnetic force orientation ?
DE2644927 homopolar magnet process
Sincerely
"Horseshoe or rod shaped homopolar magnet - has steel wire body bent into required shape and oriented in earth's magnetic field to form north or south poles". August 1977 .
I can't find the original document but the EPO is notoriously peculiar. Maybe someone else can. But if it were to be useful, we would all have had our homes heated for nothing for the last 40 years.
Anyway, the application was abandonned in 1983, non payment of annual fee. (Possibly there is still only one person who can create a monopole magnet, and Temporal hasn't patented it).
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Yes, you do - if you want to retain any credibility. You depend on a model which needs a magnetic monopole. Please explain or appear absurd.
OK sure since you, in all your towering intellect say so, and in reality even said "please". With that in mind I'll be kind, therefore: You go first.
Will YOU please explain from your own personal knowledge how and why you believe/insist a magnetic monopole is needed at all for that guy's model?
(Just a reminder to you that the model shown is not mine or even suggested to be anything more than what it is - an illustrative model - not reality.)
Will YOU please explain from your own personal knowledge what a magnetic monopole is in reality?
Will YOU please explain from your own personal knowledge precisely what such a magnet acts upon in reality?
Will YOU please explain from your own personal knowledge the source of magnetic force?
Will YOU please explain from your own personal knowledge the source from which you became "learned" in matters of what is absurd?
Will YOU please explain from your own personal knowledge how and what force is to be able to effect any real world phenomea at all in reality?
YOU need to learn that I have many questions unanswered and that was already stated to you previously, but I don't ask questions that I don't already know the answers to. Your answers (if honest) will destroy your fantasy based ILLusions and mathematical constructs, etc., etc. .
BTW: YOU have yet to answer so much as the very first question little old me asked of you about water and level. Where's your credability?
Never mind, that's already a given ... you are wasting time = Get REAL - or get lost.
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Will YOU please explain from your own personal knowledge how and why you believe/insist a magnetic monopole is needed at all for that guy's model?
It's there - in the video - a big flat earth with a pole at the centre. Where are its lines of flux?
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#90 :
the worldwide.espacenet.com page entering
above ,left side "advanced search" field
f.e. Applicant : Vlaho Kucera
gives all what the searcher wants
'Original document' also readable
Sincerely
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OK sure since you, in all your towering intellect say so, and in reality even said "please". With that in mind I'll be kind, therefore: You go first.
Will YOU please explain from your own personal knowledge how and why you believe/insist a magnetic monopole is needed at all for that guy's model?
(Just a reminder to you that the model shown is not mine or even suggested to be anything more than what it is - an illustrative model - not reality.)
Will YOU please explain from your own personal knowledge what a magnetic monopole is in reality?
Will YOU please explain from your own personal knowledge precisely what such a magnet acts upon in reality?
Will YOU please explain from your own personal knowledge the source of magnetic force?
Will YOU please explain from your own personal knowledge the source from which you became "learned" in matters of what is absurd?
Will YOU please explain from your own personal knowledge how and what force is to be able to effect any real world phenomena at all in reality?
YOU need to learn that I have many questions unanswered and that was already stated to you previously, but I don't ask questions that I don't already know the answers to. Your answers (if honest) will destroy your fantasy based ILLusions and mathematical constructs, etc., etc. .
BTW: YOU have yet to answer so much as the very first question little old me asked of you about water and level. Where's your credibility?
Never mind, that's already a given ... you are wasting time = Get REAL - or get lost.
It's there - in the video - a big flat earth with a pole at the centre. Where are its lines of flux?
Thanks for being civil.
OK just to be fair and also certain that I understand you correctly:
Again you do not respond to the water / level issue. That was started several posts ago long before you took issue with the model in the video you finally watched the last 5 min. of showing a model by another.
Is it your intention to leave me with your tacit admission that you are unable to justify the support your own model of a 1 rpm 1040 mph spinning ball/globe earth BELIEF SYSTEM which requires 7/10ths of earths surface to somehow be covered in water curved and stuck to that ball which to date has never been scientifically proven to exist anywhere, and thus has no real measurable basis in observable reality?
Since you have answered only one of my most recent several questions is it safe to say you tacitly admit you have no personal knowledge from which you can provide answers to the remaining unanswered questions?
Is that one question all that you will respond to?
I have no desire to fight with anyone and won't badger you, though I could. It is not fun, I take no pleasure in doing so. You appear to be hung up with "lines of flux", but that is OK too and here is what I "know" about them and where they exist.
A. Lines of flux are imaginary, creatures of your mind, however they do not exist in physical reality
B. Since "lines of flux" do not exist in reality it stands to reason that a model does not need to have or show any as well.
Especially since as a pilot I "know" magnetic compasses DO NOT WORK for navigation anywhere close to the alleged "south pole", and GPS is even worse ~1000+ miles away in the real world, including aviation.
You are welcome to "believe" whatever you choose, but your choices are not binding upon me. Afaik: they are binding only upon you.
I prefer reality over fiction, science fiction, ILLusion, delusion, and being deceived to live and die in a lie.
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The lines of flux are not solid like a fishing line or a railway line. They are positions of the effect that is a magnet.
Please explain how a neodymium outrunner motor works or if you accept the equivalence of an electromagnet and a magnetr, explain how ANY motor works.
Your reasoning is crap, your videos are crap, your knowledge of physics is about nil and if you claim to be a pilot and say that a compas doesn't work, then you are a fraud in this respect also.
I presume you believe the entire history of NASA is a fraud, from Alan Shepherd's suborbital to the moon landings and on to the ISS which is actually visible to everyone every so often.
Your standard of debate is insufficient. I can't be bothered with this anymore.
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#90 :
the worldwide.espacenet.com page entering
above ,left side "advanced search" field
f.e. Applicant : Vlaho Kucera
gives all what the searcher wants
'Original document' also readable
Sincerely
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/patent/search/family/025555143/publication/DE2644927A1?q=DE2644927
"The homopolar magnet is horseshoe shaped, or specif. bar or rod shaped, and is formed from steel wire of any thickness and is placed on a flat bed or plate such that both ends of the horseshoe are directed towards the south terrestrial pole, or towards the north terrestrial pole, in the first instancE. As a result of the effect of the earth's magnetism the horseshoe shaped steel wire is magnetised such that both its poles acquire the same, polarity or sign. More specif. a rod of bar shaped steel is arranged with one of its end faces against the end face of an "artificial" magnet and in this way the rod becomes a homopolar magnet, and remains permanently magnetised, without regard to its position in space and time".
It won't work. Surely the whole thing wil become a (pathetically) weak "bar" magnet, aligned to the earth's field. Anyway, steel won't do.
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Quote from Temporal Visitor.
"From the CIA you can find over 43 documents about a Flat Earth and a Firmament!?"
END of Quote
1. Not a single one of those articles, is about a Flat Earth.
2. You can also write poetry upon a square of toilet paper.
If you wish, you can call that a "document" and strictly speaking, it would be.
3. It is a total stretch / B.S. stance, to refer to the materials discussed as "CIA"
documents.
If it had instead, been pages from an old Time magazine, but downloaded from that declassified CIA trash dump site, would it have been an honest appraisal to refer to it as "CIA documents" ?. NO!
4. Its not a theory that the earth is a sphere.
Its a fact.
Suggestions..
Improve your communications skills.
1. Start with honesty.
2. Then clear unambiguous phraseology.
The first will require something which it is apparent you lack, (self honesty).
The second, will require that you acquire some ability to reason.
good luck
floor
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Temporal visitor
You said there is no experiment to explain curved water which always seeks level. You are mistaken.
In fact there is and all water in outer space forms spheres and never flattens out. Look at all the pictures of free floating water in the space station or rockets which always form spheres in space. As well all the planets we can see are also spherical because most were molten or semi fluid at one point.
You do understand Earth is floating in space don't you?. Or is space a hoax as well, lol.
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This site is for: Free independent people!
Why some members are getting so fast louder?
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Reading this document we will find the meaning about the ' flat ground and flat earth ' -terms use !Has nothing to do with ' the planet is plan/flat' or ' the planet is a round globe ' disputation !
When a young girl has a ' flat chest' this does not mean that her total body is geometrical flat !
Sincerely
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"Propagation of Electromagnetic Fields Over Flat Earth", i.e., no obstacles in the way like hills, buildings, trees, etc., that could skew test results of the propagation of electromagnetic fields.
"Confirmation bias is the tendency to search for, interpret, favor, and recall information in a way that confirms or supports one's prior beliefs or values. It is an important type of cognitive bias that has a significant effect on the proper functioning of society by distorting evidence-based decision-making. People display this bias when they gather or remember information selectively, or when they interpret it in a biased way. For example, a person may cherry-pick information that supports their belief, ignoring what is not supportive. People also tend to interpret ambiguous evidence as supporting their existing position. The effect is strongest for desired outcomes, for emotionally charged issues, and for deeply entrenched beliefs". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias)
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This site is for: Free independent people!
Why some members are getting so fast louder?
Your image is a document header. Where is the document?
IMO, either:
1. The document is photoshopped.
2. the document indiocates clearly that it is talking about
a first order apporximation. The second order approximation
will assume a curved earth.
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So Funny and Clear:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_G9EzQnI68 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_G9EzQnI68)
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Yes,Johan,
when the radius is 10.000 km,as shown by the middlepoint to tangential point arrow, then the diameter,as indicated by the two distance arrows, is 20.000 km !
Thanks for your funny and correct clarity !
What you probably mean : focal distortion
funny and clear to alive : mirror cabinet
Sincerely
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"Propagation of Electromagnetic Fields Over Flat Earth", i.e., no obstacles in the way like hills, buildings, trees, etc., that could skew test results of the propagation of electromagnetic fields.
"Confirmation bias is the tendency to search for, interpret, favor, and recall information in a way that confirms or supports one's prior beliefs or values. It is an important type of cognitive bias that has a significant effect on the proper functioning of society by distorting evidence-based decision-making. People display this bias when they gather or remember information selectively, or when they interpret it in a biased way. For example, a person may cherry-pick information that supports their belief, ignoring what is not supportive. People also tend to interpret ambiguous evidence as supporting their existing position. The effect is strongest for desired outcomes, for emotionally charged issues, and for deeply entrenched beliefs". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias)
No doubt about it everyone has and exhibits such bias to some degree. (Myself included at times)
Paul_R hero is one of many prime examples of a cowardly cherry picker who finds himself unable to explain away "objective evidence" that chips away at, if not destroys the very foundations of his unsupportable "beliefs".
Anyone can run from TRUTH but none can truly hide. Paul_R hero lost what he now describes as "debate"..
He who leaves the battlefield first loses by default. (Book of Job; Mat. 10;22)
Paul, without wings HOW HIGH CAN YOU FLY? "WITH God YOU'RE NEVER ALONE."
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These have got to be some of the most ridiculous arguments I have ever seen. But my question I posed a few pages back was never answered. What possible benefit is it to believe the earth is flat?
How do you flat earthers explain the changing seasons? Just in your own words. I am not going to waste my time watching some 2 hour video where the special effects can make anything seem possible.
And how do you explain that in the summer time if you are north of the arctic circle you can actually watch the sun go completely around you in a circle in 24 hours? And don't tell me that is not true because I have been there and seen it.
And how do you explain that in the winter time the sun never appears at all if you are above the arctic circle?
Carroll
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The lines of flux are not solid like a fishing line or a railway line. They are positions of the effect that is a magnet.
No shit Dumbo. Fishing lines and railroad tracks exist in physical reality. Your "lines of flux" have no existence outside of your thick skull.
Please explain how a neodymium outrunner motor works or if you accept the equivalence of an electromagnet and a magnetr, explain how ANY motor works.
I can but don't need to since I use outrotor motors in my own WORK, besides you have already lost by default, and proof of that is your cowardly cherry picking to evade questions that you know the answer to but are afraid to admit because they chip away at your "faith" in the god of SCIENTISM.
Your reasoning is crap, your videos are crap, your knowledge of physics is about nil and if you claim to be a pilot and say that a compas doesn't work, then you are a fraud in this respect also.
So says the monkey based man/boy who couldn't and won't shoot down the so-called crap with real "objective evidence".
You are dim, and insulting now to the point of "fighting words" - so here you go homo man/boy choke on the evidence provided below that you were too stupid to politely ask for.
Now you can go do your own research to see if I AM a pilot or not.
You twist my words on the compass, what an IGNORANT BASTARD you are. Here is very recent "evidence" to back up what I actually l wrote about. https://blog.aopa.org/aopa/2020/04/08/navigating-uncertainty-between-the-south-pole-and-coronavirus/
I presume you believe the entire history of NASA is a fraud, from Alan Shepherd's suborbital to the moon landings and on to the ISS which is actually visible to everyone every so often.
Wasting time ... Those who trust government have not read history.
Your standard of debate is insufficient. I can't be bothered with this anymore.
Picking fights you cannot finish is not a brilliant display of intelligence.
You suck so bad that you might be the explanation needed to explain how it is possible to have a pressurized atmosphere without a container next to a vacuum of "infinite outer space". No need to go there since I accept
your quit.
You are excused.
P.S. Just for the record; I never said I AM a flat earth er. Only that I AM a pilot and have done much research about it and have many serious questions unanswered. The shape matters not to me - only the lie that people live with by choice.
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No shit Dumbo. Fishing lines and railroad tracks exist in physical reality. Your "lines of flux" have no existence outside of your thick skull.
I can but don't need to since I use outrotor motors in my own WORK, besides you have already lost by default, and proof of that is your cowardly cherry picking to evade questions that you know the answer to but are afraid to admit because they chip away at your "faith" in the god of SCIENTISM.
So says the monkey based man/boy who couldn't and won't shoot down the so-called crap with real "objective evidence".
You are dim, and insulting now to the point of "fighting words" - so here you go homo man/boy choke on the evidence provided below that you were too stupid to politely ask for.
Now you can go do your own research to see if I AM a pilot or not.
You twist my words on the compass, what an IGNORANT BASTARD you are. Here is very recent "evidence" to back up what I actually l wrote about. https://blog.aopa.org/aopa/2020/04/08/navigating-uncertainty-between-the-south-pole-and-coronavirus/ (https://blog.aopa.org/aopa/2020/04/08/navigating-uncertainty-between-the-south-pole-and-coronavirus/)
Wasting time ... Those who trust government have not read history.
Picking fights you cannot finish is not a brilliant display of intelligence.
You suck so bad that you might be the explanation needed to explain how it is possible to have a pressurized atmosphere without a container next to a vacuum of "infinite outer space". No need to go there since I accept
your quit.
You are excused.
P.S. Just for the record; I never said I AM a flat earth er. Only that I AM a pilot and have done much research about it and have many serious questions unanswered. The shape matters not to me - only the lie that people live with by choice.
No comment.
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No comment.
Good to go.
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So it appears you flat earth people have no answers for my questions.
These have got to be some of the most ridiculous arguments I have ever seen. But my question I posed a few pages back was never answered. What possible benefit is it to believe the earth is flat?
How do you flat earthers explain the changing seasons? Just in your own words. I am not going to waste my time watching some 2 hour video where the special effects can make anything seem possible.
And how do you explain that in the summer time if you are north of the arctic circle you can actually watch the sun go completely around you in a circle in 24 hours? And don't tell me that is not true because I have been there and seen it.
And how do you explain that in the winter time the sun never appears at all if you are above the arctic circle?
Carroll
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But my question I posed a few pages back was never answered. What possible benefit is it to believe the earth is flat?
I don't know about there being any "benefit" to those who subscribe to flat earth, but I posed a similar question several years ago to those in that fe community: Why does it matter if the Earth is flat or round?
I received a resounding "because they are lying to us".
My response: They are always lying to us; try not to think about it too much as thinking too much tends to make people crazy.
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Who.cares if the Earth is flat or not?
I was thinking about something else.
In ideal capitalism society everyone has right to trade.
That is root of capitalism!
Now, if state trade with Aliens, they made a fortune from it.
Deny it to citiziens of that country is violation of free trade or capitalism!
So, that country is no longer capitalism orientated!
It is more socialism orientated.
Everything to state, nothing to individual!
So, I am asking myself, if the States are capitalistic or socialistic orientated?
If the black budget programs travel across universe and trade,
what about the others? In that society? Are they have right to trade,
or are they denied to do so?
It is capitalism, and everyone has equal opportunities?
I doubt they have!
So, what that makes of States?
New capitalism US?
Feudal?
Are you all paying taxes for socialism enviroment?
How stupid you all are?
Do you even understand what I am talking about?
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Quote from Temporal Visitor.
"From the CIA you can find over 43 documents about a Flat Earth and a Firmament!?"
END of Quote
"Start with honesty" a good suggestion, and an admirable trait to display.
Too bad your post starts in DECEPTION from which I am able to reason you lack "self honesty" that you state
"is apparent you lack", towards me. Oh the irony.
Fact is: Those are not my words.
Rather than calling you an outright liar weaving your web ... I will give you the benefit of doubt and allow you
to prove up your claim with a direct citation/link to wherever it is you mistakenly believe can/will show those words are my own.
Reasonably I don't believe you will be able to "honestly" do so.
You are welcome, Prove me wrong ab initio.
(I'll wait for you to do that before addressing the rest of beating your dead horse below.)
1. Not a single one of those articles, is about a Flat Earth.
2. You can also write poetry upon a square of toilet paper.
If you wish, you can call that a "document" and strictly speaking, it would be.
3. It is a total stretch / B.S. stance, to refer to the materials discussed as "CIA"
documents.
If it had instead, been pages from an old Time magazine, but downloaded from that declassified CIA trash dump site, would it have been an honest appraisal to refer to it as "CIA documents" ?. NO!
4. Its not a theory that the earth is a sphere.
Its a fact.
Suggestions..
Improve your communications skills.
1. Start with honesty.
2. Then clear unambiguous phraseology.
The first will require something which it is apparent you lack, (self honesty).
The second, will require that you acquire some ability to reason.
good luck
floor
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Still no answers to my questions. Only personal attacks against those that don't believe your fantasy.
These have got to be some of the most ridiculous arguments I have ever seen. But my question I posed a few pages back was never answered. What possible benefit is it to believe the earth is flat?
How do you flat earthers explain the changing seasons? Just in your own words. I am not going to waste my time watching some 2 hour video where the special effects can make anything seem possible.
And how do you explain that in the summer time if you are north of the arctic circle you can actually watch the sun go completely around you in a circle in 24 hours? And don't tell me that is not true because I have been there and seen it.
And how do you explain that in the winter time the sun never appears at all if you are above the arctic circle?
Carroll
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To ALL, this is a Earth Question topic, together for what is true about Flat or Globe!?
Because of image's like below:
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Flat Earthers only do this to cause trouble and raise the angers. If they were ever to take a jet flight other than commercial, then the obvious would be. Take the live picture of the famous Red Bull Jump. 85K feet and you could seriously see the curves of the Earth there. No questions at all. Any military pilot will confirm. Just butt heads having fun causing troubles.
thay
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Temporal visitor
You said there is no experiment to explain curved water which always seeks level. You are mistaken.
In fact there is and all water in outer space forms spheres and never flattens out. Look at all the pictures of free floating water in the space station or rockets which always form spheres in space. As well all the planets we can see are also spherical because most were molten or semi fluid at one point.
You do understand Earth is floating in space don't you?. Or is space a hoax as well, lol.
No that is not what I wrote, nor is it what was written, meant or implied.
You have parsed words that were written to another specifically addressing belief in the globe model and the lack of scientifically proven thus "objective evidence" of any curved water surface to be found ON EARTH covering 7/10ths its surface.
For your convenience I include relevant excerpts that I can find that may have been misunderstood by you.
If you feel I have missed any please be sure to include them in your reply so they might be reviewed as well.
I see nothing in what I wrote implying anything to do with hoaxes, "outer space" or the ISS - nor any direct relation of those to what actually makes all the water ON EARTH level, and when still measurably flat.
You really don't need to show/prove your own ignorance any further, it is a self evident truth though I wish it wasn't so. Still sincerely looking forward to seeing it change when you realize your beliefs cannot irrefutably prove earth is a globe. (I tried, I still don't know, I have many serious unanswered questions and I admit it.)
Do some research yourself about your theoretical model and all the assumptions you need to rely on to support it to explain the "curved water" needed but can't be found as it is proven fact it always seeks level and no experiment ever done shows differently OR any curvature all.
AND
Is it your intention to leave me with your tacit admission that you are unable to justify the support your own model of a 1 rpm 1040 mph spinning ball/globe earth BELIEF SYSTEM which requires 7/10ths of earths surface to somehow be covered in water curved and stuck to that ball which to date has never been scientifically proven to exist anywhere, and thus has no real measurable basis in observable reality?
You have made lots of assertions, accusations and opinions on many topics.
I find you disturbed and insulting to me, so I typically avoid replying to your posts.
If you want to fight join the military. If you want debate join a debate club/site. You won't find me there.
You can believe whatever you please, if you want me to look what you deem to be supporting evidence of your belief(s) I will look at all available relevant objective evidence, when/if posted/submitted for review.
Onepower, I ask; Have you personally ever been higher (AGL/MSL) than the service ceiling of a jet powered aircraft?
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Still no answers to my questions. Only personal attacks against those that don't believe your fantasy.
Hello Carrol,
I'll point out that it seems you have not addressed this post to anyone specifically - but it feels like you expect my response.
You and I have only once perhaps twice that I recall ever had any contact and if I recall correctly that concerned your kind words about others attacking me, and picture sizing advice you offered, to which I most likely thanked you for.
Please do correct me if you feel I am wrong on any of the above.
Through the years I have read things you've written that made me think there might be things you and myself had/have in common that would be of benefit to us both, perhaps even to others. This post today makes me wonder, but also warranted a reply.
I ask is this the question(s) in question?
Good questions Conrad. What I can't understand is what possible benefit is there for anyone to claim the earth is round if it really was flat? And vice versa. What do the flat earth people hope to do by claiming the earth is flat against all observable facts? None of it makes any sense.
The silly discussion about the perimeter of the Antarctic versus the perimeter of the earth just really blows my mind. Anyone with the least amount of understanding about geometry can easily see how an object can have a greater perimeter than the object it is inside of. Just draw a star inside a circle and see which one has the longer perimeter.
Michael
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I think that geologists have their answer !
By Wegener his "Pangaea"- hypothesis they did/ are searching worldwide by continental puzzling for findings of mineral deposits !
What we actually are seeing is not "historical reality" ,going the time-line 10.000 years back and calculating the ice-time-shelf density :
the coastal water-line up to 120 meters deeper than today ,important for archaeology
Im-/possibilities
Can a human body survive,without injuries,a free fall from 25000 feets without parachute ? Condition ?
Luke Aikins can give experienced answer !
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Flat Earthers only do this to cause trouble and raise the angers. If they were ever to take a jet flight other than commercial, then the obvious would be. Take the live picture of the famous Red Bull Jump. 85K feet and you could seriously see the curves of the Earth there. No questions at all. Any military pilot will confirm. Just butt heads having fun causing troubles.
thay
Yes, Thay. a flight in a U2 would do it. James May of BBC's "Top Gear" has a documentary of it.
I have a theory. These two people reckon FE is a load of crap and so are those working on it. One or both of them have taken out a wager, possibly with a journo, that we, who believe in the possibliity of FE, are such a load of tossers that we could be talked into believing the earth is flat.
I reckon a grand is at stake.
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Hello Carrol,
I'll point out that it seems you have not addressed this post to anyone specifically - but it feels like you expect my response.
You and I have only once perhaps twice that I recall ever had any contact and if I recall correctly that concerned your kind words about others attacking me, and picture sizing advice you offered, to which I most likely thanked you for.
Please do correct me if you feel I am wrong on any of the above.
Through the years I have read things you've written that made me think there might be things you and myself had/have in common that would be of benefit to us both, perhaps even to others. This post today makes me wonder, but also warranted a reply.
I ask is this the question(s) in question?
Michael
Hello Michael,
My post was directed towards anyone that believes the earth is flat. Thanks for your reply. And I believe you are correct about any past posts between us.
Here again are the questions I am wondering about. What benefit is there in believing the earth is flat? Or in believing it is a sphere? As long as we can navigate and get where we want to go does it really matter which is correct?
And my other questions I recently posted are these: How do flat earth believers explain the changing of the seasons? And how do they explain that if you are north of the Arctic Circle in the summer months you can actually watch the sun go completely around you in 24 hours and never go below the horizon. I have been there and seen that. And conversely in the winter months the sun never comes above the horizon if you are north of the Arctic Circle. I don't see how that is possible if the earth was flat.
Respectfully,
Carroll
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Paul-R
I have a theory. These two people reckon FE is a load of crap and so are those working on it. One or both of them have taken out a wager, possibly with a journo, that we, who believe in the possibliity of FE, are such a load of tossers that we could be talked into believing the earth is flat.
Here is a good article...https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog/psych-unseen/201702/flat-earthers-belief-skepticism-and-denialism
Just so, Flat Earthers often talk about planetary geometry in terms of “belief in” rather than “belief that,” as if the evidence for a spherical Earth is lacking. But that claim isn’t really so much about believing. It's denialism.
Better put...
With those words, Irving seems to be defending a denialist position that has the potential to give way to a slippery slope of rejecting all facts. According to that extreme version of denialism, nothing can be trusted, not even scientific evidence.
Now ask yourself what group of people have the most to gain from denialism implying all facts including scientific facts cannot be trusted?.
The answer...
“Today, we have multiple factions putting themselves forward as what Gauchat describes as their own cultural domains, “generating their own knowledge base that is often in conflict with the cultural authority of the scientific community.” Some are religious groups (challenging evolution, for instance). Some are industry groups (as with climate skepticism). Others tilt more to the left (such as those that reject the medical establishment). As varied as these groups are, they are all alike in one way. They all harbor sacred beliefs that they do not consider open to question.
Now we know who they are and what they actually want and it has nothing to do with a flat earth.
Regards
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It can be ......
https://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/pdf/88104main_H-1391.pdf (https://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/pdf/88104main_H-1391.pdf)
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Flat Earthers only do this to cause trouble and raise the angers. If they were ever to take a jet flight other than commercial, then the obvious would be. Take the live picture of the famous Red Bull Jump. 85K feet and you could seriously see the curves of the Earth there. No questions at all. Any military pilot will confirm. Just butt heads having fun causing troubles.
thay
Maybe Outside is FishEye lenses, inside normal lens?
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It can be ......
https://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/pdf/88104main_H-1391.pdf (https://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/pdf/88104main_H-1391.pdf)
It's a first order approximatkion, dickhead. Find out what that means.
Eugen Duke worked for NASA, you hairbrained idiot. Do you think they are flat earthers?
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It can be ......
https://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/pdf/88104main_H-1391.pdf (https://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/pdf/88104main_H-1391.pdf)
I am sorry Johan but you appear to lack an understanding of basic scientific research. That paper does NOT claim the earth is flat and not rotating. It is saying that for the purpose of study of the dynamics of flight a flat non-rotating earth will be assumed in order to simplify the calculations.
And in addition to my other questions that have never been answered how do flat earth believers explain the tides since you claim the oceans are flat and not curved?
Carroll
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Nice also : Earth rotation velocity 1670 Km per h
Earth rotation around the sun velocity 107 280 Km per h
Solarsystem rotation around MilkyWay-galaxis central axis velocity ?
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No time, because of helping lots of victims from a fake pandemia, but just look:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yqfg-SMY6Y8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yqfg-SMY6Y8)
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Johan,
Instead of posting fake videos just answer my questions I have asked several time now.
These have got to be some of the most ridiculous arguments I have ever seen. But my question I posed a few pages back was never answered. What possible benefit is it to believe the earth is flat?
How do you flat earthers explain the changing seasons? Just in your own words. I am not going to waste my time watching some 2 hour video where the special effects can make anything seem possible.
And how do you explain that in the summer time if you are north of the arctic circle you can actually watch the sun go completely around you in a circle in 24 hours? And don't tell me that is not true because I have been there and seen it.
And how do you explain that in the winter time the sun never appears at all if you are above the arctic circle?
Carroll
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Hello Michael,
My post was directed towards anyone that believes the earth is flat. Thanks for your reply. And I believe you are correct about any past posts between us.
Here again are the questions I am wondering about. What benefit is there in believing the earth is flat? Or in believing it is a sphere? As long as we can navigate and get where we want to go does it really matter which is correct?
And my other questions I recently posted are these: How do flat earth believers explain the changing of the seasons? And how do they explain that if you are north of the Arctic Circle in the summer months you can actually watch the sun go completely around you in 24 hours and never go below the horizon. I have been there and seen that. And conversely in the winter months the sun never comes above the horizon if you are north of the Arctic Circle. I don't see how that is possible if the earth was flat.
Respectfully,
Carroll
Carrol,
Thanks for the clarification however my reading of each post you have made on this topic as it has developed makes me wonder if this response will be worth the effort it requires on my part, since the questions you pose involve "belief" which is not and does not equate with "truth" which is defined to mean: facts in agreement with reality. Truth is the driving force in my life, I loathe deception - I need truth and I WORK for it.
Moreover, that each and every living man, woman, and child upon this rock allegedly hurtling through endless space to points unknown has their very own mind with which they in fact perceive sensory inputs, individually as unique beings. Each filters information received in an attempt to determine how it does or does not, could or might, will or won't be useful to "benefit" themselves this moment in the here and now, or at sometime in the future. That makes any perceived "benefit" a personal matter of their own mind.
For some; weighing past experience and information against a newly presented situation or concept and an endless list of other factors beyond the "knowing" of anyone other than the one doing all of that. Effectively making "beliefs" a matter of another endless list of other variables that all ultimately boil down to personal mindset and choice, both of which are also personal thoughts that guide them in their own action or inaction. All of which is inextricably intertwined with desires and fears to set the stage for what will or won't be accepted as that particular individuals "belief" by that individual.
My personal thought is that people argue about the "beliefs" of others in almost absolute ignorance of how and what the other has already observed, experimented, and experienced that brought them to whatever "belief" they might hold as their own.
I have my own "beliefs", and they are personal, perhaps a reflection of countless life experiences I have had and survived "against the odds" that others have not had to deal with where they have placed or found their life was in fact on the line to get that experience. Later to learn the effect and lasting consequences, but not always the reasons and underlying purpose.
The way I view there being any "benefit" whatsoever from simply having "belief" alone in something/anything alone, is that IN FACT nothing real will come of that "belief" because without physical action there can be no reaction from the reality of nature itself.
Without regard to the amount of people who think alike/similarly: iF/WHEN nobody does nuthin this pesky fact irrefutably remains: From nuthin comes from nuthin. (humor intended by deliberate misspelling)
Your first two questions: "What benefit is there in believing the earth is flat? Or in believing it is a sphere?"
Honest answer: NONE. (Recall: Truth requires few words. Also Occam's Razor?)
I'll point out that both beliefs share a common necessity for empirical evidence since we are discussing a physical object which ipso facto does not require belief. Empirical evidence can be physical or argument helping to establish the truth of a statement.
As well either and both beliefs share or should I say suffer a common lack of physical evidence that given mans present level of technological sophistication should be very easily obtainable, especially by those who have faith in their educated belief to claim they and everyone else are in fact living upon a globe.
Problem with that is that there are zero single snapshot photo's, or real video footage showing so much as one full day of the alleged globe from "outer space" that can stand up to forensic examination done by one capable of doing so, which today is not out of reach for most anyone who actually is willing to apply themselves.
IMO argument is not going to cut it when actual photo/video evidence should long ago have been disseminated to the public by those in possession of it - IF IT EXISTS. I've applied myself to find it and came up empty handed.
After all; anyone with two working brain cells should have sense enough to come to grips with the fact that believing something does not make it real or true anymore than disbelief negates that which is true and real.
Never the less here are some rough draft thoughts on several possible/potential benefits of "belief" that "flat earthers" might stand to realize but only IF AND WHEN they TAKE ACTION to do the REQUIRED WORK.
1. Healthy and improved mental acuity by means of using their own given thinking/information processing ability.
2. Healthy and improved faculty of perceiving by means of their given sense organs.
3. Healthy and improved development of uncommon sense in addition to "common sense" alone.
4. Healthy and improved reasoning ability by means of developing/using critical thought over rote memorization.
5. Healthy and improved consciousness of what they are the result of, and the peace of mind that truth brings.
6. Healthy and improved free thinking resulting in self reliance accompanied by greater personal liberty, awareness and responsibility, thus more WORK and reduced dependency on others.
Here please find several possible/potential benefits of "belief" that "believing it is a sphere" might stand to realize as members of the herd despite their "belief" of being achievers, highly intellectual free spirits, in a land where no child is left behind, providing they survive to even be born.
1. Diminishing health and reduced mental acuity by not using their own given thinking/information processing ability.
2. Diminishing health and reduced faculty of perceiving by reduced reliance on and use of their given sense organs.
3. Diminishing health and reduced development of uncommon sense in addition to "common sense" alone.
4. Diminishing health and reduced reasoning ability by lack of developing/using critical thought over rote memorization.
5. Diminishing health and reduced consciousness of what they are the result of and the peace of mind truth brings.
6. Diminishing health and reduced free thinking resulting in reliance on others accompanied by reduced personal liberty, awareness and responsibility, thus more WORK for the plantation owners and dependency on them.
Your other questions are ancillary to the main precept, an assertion of: a spherical globe established in fact.
Without actual proof of that first, there can be only speculation as to the relevance of any evidence offered to support the previous assertion thus wasting time and valuable resources of the body reviewing any such claims and questions.
In court one quickly learns: he/she who is unable to provide and or enter his/her evidence into the record of the case loses. (Unless the game is rigged, and as one who has been oh so involved): THE GAME IS RIGGED!
Please understand that it is not my intent to cut you off at the knees, in fact I feel I went the extra mile in writing this out, so if you have real evidence of a globe would you be so kind as to get it to me for forensic examination that we might get to your other questions should the precept be first determined to be A MATTER OF FACT?
I look forward to you being able to do so, it would end the "fantasy" of all those who do have the stones to dare questioning their masters and allow all of them to be good little slaves CON-tent in their new "belief".
You've stated you aren't going to watch 2 hour video(s) so here are a few short ones you might try to view to better understand how and why people get to the point of questioning the precept of a globe in the first place,
to help satisfy any curiosity you might have.
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1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tr1-WRrhgtg (34 min, starts with your questions: benefit)
2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0peS1oxYLo (14 min, thought provoking and addresses why)
3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxRnc4-ViXo (32 min, The case for Flat Earth, good points to ponder)
4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOqc63Pp9OA (26 min, The greatest deception, good also)
5. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlUNJzU9Mdw (26 min, moon landing evidence issues)
6. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq3jjzI8Gdo (13 min, Stefan Molyneux - The Story of Your Enslavement)
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Thanks, TV.
So it looks like we are all part of the Truman Show! What happens when we keep digging and find too much? They wipe us out and start over?
I've always wondered at being able to see the moon during the day: https://youtu.be/jxRnc4-ViXo?t=853 (https://youtu.be/jxRnc4-ViXo?t=853)
Seems logical that it would have to be in our atmosphere in order to see it during the day.
I'm entirely too prone to confirmation bias, so I'll just go back to sleep now!
Cheers
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Thanks, TV.
So it looks like we are all part of the Truman Show! What happens when we keep digging and find too much? They wipe us out and start over?
I've always wondered at being able to see the moon during the day: https://youtu.be/jxRnc4-ViXo?t=853 (https://youtu.be/jxRnc4-ViXo?t=853)
Seems logical that it would have to be in our atmosphere in order to see it during the day.
I'm entirely too prone to conformation bias, so I'll just go back to sleep now!
Cheers
You are welcome. Also got chuckle out your popcorn eating picture and timing, Thanks.
Never saw the show other than the clip of the boat poking the wall/sky.
Don't have answers to either question but would comment: Read and save history on paper before it is gone from "the ClouDzzz".
Have also seen the same many times and pondered it as well, besides a few other real oddities.
You write; "I'm entirely too prone to conformation bias" - Once upon a time so was I. - What if that is what is stopping you from having the simple information/knowledge to be able to bring FE (Free "Energy") into this realm?
Before bedtime - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeMFqkcPYcg
Sleep on it.
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I like to believe that I'm doing my part ;D
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butterfly_effect (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butterfly_effect)
https://www.robledothoughts.com/thoughts/think-differently-to-become-a-difference-maker (https://www.robledothoughts.com/thoughts/think-differently-to-become-a-difference-maker)
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Lovely HONEST guy, with true observations:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/6eNy1PpjDEs/ (https://www.bitchute.com/video/6eNy1PpjDEs/)
The Dark part of the Moon, is a transparant Cold Plasma.
Thats why we have so many symbols like below:
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For the world is hollow, and I have touched the sky.
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6n5cfy
floor
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Temporary Visitor = Vizzini (Pricess Bride)
Equus africanus asinus / fossor / ambitiosus homo / narcissist / interloper / prowler / troglodytarum / stultus / lier / prouisor taedio / tribulationis factorem /deciple de magistri mendaces / reliqua
Uero in ollam tea
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@Citfta
What benefit to believing the world is flat ?
I think we are seeing an emotional response to / a rebellion against, oppressive / coercive teaching practices, in combination with the relatively new freedom, for people to self express via the internet.
PS
I don't think of the flat earth belief movement, as just an utterly harmless affair.
floor
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So we did see that the Moon is empty, now Eric over the Sun:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvWKBFMw9Bs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvWKBFMw9Bs)
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Temporary Visitor = Vizzini (Pricess Bride)
Equus africanus asinus / fossor / ambitiosus homo / narcissist / interloper / prowler / troglodytarum / stultus / lier / prouisor taedio / tribulationis factorem /deciple de magistri mendaces / reliqua
Uero in ollam tea
HiHi ;) the good old romans tempi et mori !
Kapitalist to Capitalist to capitale to capita to ( Kapuze,Kapuziner-Orden) " caput " ,nomen and verbum " capere"
for capitalist nomen et omen we translate today as : citizen
some lingual non-conformists mis-uses/-leads by meaning materia/-materialist
Socialist to socialis to socius and verbum sociare
sociare means to connect,to unite,to come together
com• munio : living saved ,in security castra : behind walls ,Fort-like
to muni•cipio vila/citee ~ city ~ cidade ~ town
Paris municipio commune to their ' Commune Manifest' ,the demand of a democratic constitution ,1848 !
Against feudal Absolutism-law and order !
In Germany public debit is also loaned by ' Kommun-al-Obligationen' ( latin obligare ? )
nomen : declinare et verbum : conjugare
www.frag-caesar.de (http://www.frag-caesar.de)
Space-Time bio-/geo-metrical converter
1 omen Bild Image
1000 nomen Woerter words
As ' flat earth village ' = ' vila planense ' - habitant from a freguesia ( derived from ' filius ecclesiae ' )
Sohn/filius der Kirche/church/ecclesia/eglise/iglesia/igreja
Pfarrer/Father/Pater/Padre or frater(nite)/Frey(-Herr)/Frere/Brother- community
Ancient 'Universitas' : docere to Docent to Doc-tor - his 'Father = confessional Professur '
singularis pere and pluralis peer and pre-/re-view
Kirke,Kersch,Kaersch : some phonetical Dialekt- examples for Kirche and Church ,
meaning (Kirchen-)Schiff /=ship
the ( Glaubens-/Believe-) COMMUNIT-E/-Y ,die GEMEINSCHAFT
Member= Mitglied - Schaft/ship = philosophical participation ,independent from a building,templum,palatin
Patri•archas are the moderative navigators capi-tao over-generation arcus/Arche
I go sometimes to the civil service administration office ,called : Junta,not military ::)
Junta : iun•gere ~ sociare
Pater = Corpus/Koerper + Mutter/Motter/Mother/MADRE ?
Mutter = Kirche = Universitas = Geist
alma mater= Bild•ung
The soldiers each one have had : where to do the sword ,german "Schwertscheide': latin ?
The female have it two times,the male one time,german ' Mundscheide ' translates to english : ?
scheiden ~ divertere
Salut/-e
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5 Facts About EARTH You Didn't Learn in School
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cws_5H72QBo&feature=emb_logo
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https://www.fi.edu/exhibit/foucault%E2%80%99s-pendulum
https://www.si.edu/spotlight/foucault-pendulum
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=jiant+foucault+pendulum&t=ffhp&ia=videos&iax=videos&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DjyAUtZXg5Hs
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earths rotation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foucault_pendulum
pseudo force
@ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fictitious_force
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There is no evidence that the moon is hollow.
The moon is only partly hollow (Swiss cheese)
Every one knows this!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollow_Moon
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Foucault Pendulum Flat Earth vs. Heliocentrism
"In the mid 19th century a Frenchman named Léon Foucault became famous for swinging pendulums and claiming their consequent motions were proof of the Earth’s diurnal rotation. Since then “Foucault Pendulums” have regularly been swinging at museums and exposition halls worldwide purporting to provide everlasting perpetual proof of the heliocentric spinning ball-Earth theory. The truth is, however, unbeknownst to most of the duped public, that Foucault’s pendulum is a failed experiment which proves nothing but how easy it is for pseudo-science to deceive the malleable masses. To begin with, Foucault’s pendulums do not uniformly swing in any one direction. Sometimes they rotate clockwise and sometimes counter-clockwise, sometimes they fail to rotate and sometimes they rotate far too much. Scientists who have repeated variations of the experiment have conceded time and again that “it was difficult to avoid giving the pendulum some slight lateral bias at starting.” The behavior of the pendulum actually depends on 1) the initial force beginning its swing and, 2) the ball-and-socket joint used which most-readily facilitates circular motion over any other. The supposed rotation of the Earth is completely inconsequential and irrelevant to the pendulum’s swing. If the alleged constant rotation of the Earth affected pendulums in any way, then there should be no need to manually start pendulums in motion! If the Earth’s diurnal rotation caused the 360 degree uniform diurnal rotation of pendulums, then there should not exist a stationary pendulum anywhere on Earth!"-- Eric Dubay
“This pendulum, modern scientists tell us, affords a visible proof that we are living on a whirling globe, which, according to a ‘work on science’ now before me, is spinning upon its so-called axis at the rate of over 1,000 miles an hour at the equator; and, in addition to other motions, is rushing on an everlasting tour round the sun (the diameter of which is said to be 813,000 miles, and its weight 354,936 times greater than the earth from which it is said to be about 93,000,000 miles distant,) at the rate of over 1,000 miles per minute. Now to prove that the earth really has these motions a pendulum is suspended at the show; the showman sets motion, and bids the gaping world of thoughtless men and women to ‘behold a proof’ that we are living on a whirling globe which is rushing away through space!” -Lady Blount, “The Romance of Science” (7)
“Astronomers have made experiments with pendulums which have been suspended from the interior of high buildings, and have exulted over the idea of being able to prove the rotation of the Earth on its ‘axis,’ by the varying direction taken by the pendulum over a prepared table underneath - asserting that the table moved round under the pendulum, instead of the pendulum shifting and oscillating in different directions over the table! But, since it has been found that, as often as not, the pendulum went round the wrong way for the ‘rotation’ theory, chagrin has taken the place of exultation, and we have a proof of the failure of astronomers in their efforts to substantiate their theory.” -William Carpenter, “100 Proofs the Earth is Not a Globe” (73)
“First, when a pendulum, constructed according to the plan of M. Foucault, is allowed to vibrate, its plane of vibration is often variable - not always. The variation when it does occur, is not uniform - is not always the same in the same place; nor always the same either in its rate or velocity, or in its direction. It cannot therefore be taken as evidence; for that which is inconstant cannot be used in favor of or against any given proposition. It therefore is not evidence and proves nothing! Secondly, if the plane of vibration is observed to change, where is the connection between such change and the supposed motion of the Earth? What principle of reasoning guides the experimenter to the conclusion that it is the Earth which moves underneath the pendulum, and not the pendulum which moves over the Earth? What logical right or necessity forces one conclusion in preference to the other? Thirdly, why was not the peculiar arrangement of the point of suspension of the pendulum specially considered, in regard to its possible influence upon the plane of oscillation? Was it not known, or was it overlooked, or was it, in the climax of theoretical revelry, ignored that a ‘ball-and-socket’ joint is one which facilitates circular motion more readily than any other?” -Dr. Samuel Rowbotham, “Earth Not a Globe, 2nd Edition” (153)
“We believe, with all due deference to the pendulum, and its proprietor, that it proves nothing but the craftiness of the inventor; and we can only describe the show and showman as deceptions. A thing so childish as this ‘pendulum proof’ that it can only be described as one of the most simple and ridiculous attempts to gull the public that has ever been conceived. It has been said that the pendulum experiment proves the rotation of the earth, but this is quite impossible, for one pendulum turns one way; and sometimes, another pendulum turns in the opposite direction. Now we ask does the earth rotate in opposite directions at different places at one and the same time? We should like to know. Perhaps the experimenters will kindly enlighten us on this point … If the earth had the terrible motions attributed to it, there would be some sensible effects of such motions. But we neither feel the motion, see it, nor hear it. And how people can stand watching the pendulum vibrate, and think that they are seeing a proof of the motions of the earth, almost passes comprehension. They are, however, brought up to believe it, and it is thought to be ‘scientific’ to believe what the astronomers teach.” -Lady Blount, “The Romance of Science” (8-10)
All the above is "hearsay", as is all of yours.
My evidence requires few words. See below
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Your "trust your instruments" jpg is not evidence at all, and it is a frivolous response.
Its just a jpg, with no explanation.
What do you think its supposed to evidence ?
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Foucault Pendulum Flat Earth vs. Heliocentrism
"In the mid 19th century a Frenchman named Léon Foucault became famous for swinging pendulums and claiming their consequent motions were proof of the Earth’s diurnal rotation. Since then “Foucault Pendulums” have regularly been swinging at museums and exposition halls worldwide purporting to provide everlasting perpetual proof of the heliocentric spinning ball-Earth theory. The truth is, however, unbeknownst to most of the duped public, that Foucault’s pendulum is a failed experiment which proves nothing but how easy it is for pseudo-science to deceive the malleable masses. To begin with, Foucault’s pendulums do not uniformly swing in any one direction. Sometimes they rotate clockwise and sometimes counter-clockwise, sometimes they fail to rotate and sometimes they rotate far too much. Scientists who have repeated variations of the experiment have conceded time and again that “it was difficult to avoid giving the pendulum some slight lateral bias at starting.” The behavior of the pendulum actually depends on 1) the initial force beginning its swing and, 2) the ball-and-socket joint used which most-readily facilitates circular motion over any other. The supposed rotation of the Earth is completely inconsequential and irrelevant to the pendulum’s swing. If the alleged constant rotation of the Earth affected pendulums in any way, then there should be no need to manually start pendulums in motion! If the Earth’s diurnal rotation caused the 360 degree uniform diurnal rotation of pendulums, then there should not exist a stationary pendulum anywhere on Earth!"-- Eric Dubay
Jesus rocks !
but
Some of his "friends" are real creeps.
Eric Dibay's agenda, money money money ?
https://ericdubay.wordpress.com/2018/07/08/dinosaurs-never-existed/
wow what B.S.
Jesus help us.
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The top instrument is an Artificial Horizon.It tells the pilot the attitude of his a/c compared to the ground beneath him.
The bottom instrument is a compass.It tells the pilot the heading of the a/c compared to Earth's Magnetic NS.
For God's sake, temporal visitor - get a "Mr Men book of science" or a "Complete Idiots Guide to Science" before bothering us more with your drivel.
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The top instrument is an Artificial Horizon.It tells the pilot the attitude of his a/c compared to the ground beneath him.
Very good to see you remain unable/unwilling to answer my original questions about "water & level" (LOL) and now decide to move along, perhaps to obfuscate that fact.
Care to comment now since before you first ran off the battlefield?
Yes Paul-R hero it does provide the pilot with an artificial horizon, however technically it is an "AI" - Attitude Indicator.
You do know what device is used inside to make them work, or don't you?
You do know what that device shows in "space", or don't you? (Think back to "SkyLab")
You do know what that same device shows on a bench on Earth. or don't you?
You do know what both these instruments have in common, or don't you?
The bottom instrument is a compass.It tells the pilot the heading of the a/c compared to Earth's Magnetic NS.
No Paul-R hero, it is not merely "a compass", and it functions without any dependence on magnetism whatsoever, including any imagined "flux lines" in your mind. It is a rather special kind of compass, far superior to that $5.00 pocket compass you suggested I buy which I told you as a pilot I wouldn't use at the "South pole".
You do know the correct name for this instrument, or don't you?
You do know what device is used inside to make them work, or don't you?
You do know what that device shows in "space", or don't you? (Think back to "SkyLab")
You do know what that same device shows on a bench on Earth. or don't you?
You do know what both these instruments have in common, or don't you?
For God's sake, temporal visitor - get a "Mr Men book of science" or a "Complete Idiots Guide to Science" before bothering us more with your drivel.
Such kind words: Thanks but NO THANKS, the last thing I need in my Temporal life is to turn away from Truth of my God, the Most High, only to waste the gifts and blessings I've already been given, and ultimately wind up just as ignorant as you worshiping "science" while you are blindly looking for "energy" not even truly knowing what "Energy is ____ ____."
None of this matters, I'm comfortable with what I have, and leaving you as ignorant and insulting as I found you, as it is commanded: https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/1-Corinthians-14-38/
With all due respect,
Go in Peace, if you are bothered by me: TOO BAD.
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@ Temporary visitor
If you were stupid, the stupidity you are spreading wouldn't be so bad. But because you
insist that you know, there is no hope for you.
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Who is ........... ?
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Who can explain this strange photo of an alien craft attacking earth !
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...while you are blindly looking for "energy" not even truly knowing what "Energy is ____ ____."
Now I see what you are about.
You are trying to disrupt our search for new eneregy systems.
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Stefan: This user is here to do harm. Please delete his account
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Now I see what you are about.
You are trying to disrupt our search for new eneregy systems.
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Aw poor whittle Paul-R hero, did I hurt your little whittle feeling wheelings AGAIN? Poor little baby don't cry and stomp your little whittle feet.
Seriously, NO you do/have not seen anything YET as to what I am about, or here for. YOU CAN'T because of that stick in your eye that I first wrote about on the first page of this topic. Perhaps that "strong delusion" as well.
You write I am: "here to disrupt our search" - well that is just one more of your vile accusations and insults, which if you have the ability to recall I told you I can back up my words with evidence as I did already slap you down after being accused by you of being a liar and fraud concerning my being a pilot. You have yet to realize you can't beat TRUTH with insults, lies and accusations.
You may not like the Truth but that does not change it at all for you or anyone else, including me.
You have brought all of this upon yourself by your own willful ACTIONS - which bring about REACTIONS in kind. ("energy is ___ ___" clue 4 you)
My brief review of your posts on O.U. ab initio; leads me to reason that you are and were a complainer from the get go.
I have tried to be civil and disengage more than once and you continue to be ignorant, sorry but by now you know or should have known I will and can lay facts down as I see fit to tear your little wings off.
If you wish to be left alone then by all means please do set the example and stop provoking me.
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With Eyes open, its so Clear and Simple ..............
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdjxzh1O_X8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdjxzh1O_X8)
Or make what you want for Believe like Programmed!?
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Its just Amazing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FXbo_51LRM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FXbo_51LRM)
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With Eyes open, its so Clear and Simple ..............
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdjxzh1O_X8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdjxzh1O_X8)
Or make what you want for Believe like Programmed!?
Screen captures from the johan posted video at 1min. 32sec., 1min. 33sec., 1min. 34sec., 1min. 43sec. and 1min.45sec.
see for your self the curvature in the image.
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Floor
Nice post and apparently all one has to do to make the flat earthers look grossly incompetent is... zoom out.
They have no valid argument and never will.
Regards
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Screen captures from the johan posted video at 1min. 32sec., 1min. 33sec., 1min. 34sec., 1min. 43sec. and 1min.45sec.
see for your self the curvature in the image.
Hello Floor,
Nice to see you looked at that video. I watched it years ago and also saw what you point out about obvious curvature BUT also noticed the view goes concave and flat as well. It is a very interesting video and in the link by Johan_55 @ 1:40 take a close look at what you do see in the blackness. Keep in mind the launch was daytime early morning.
Then watch this guys research - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ufv7QI0akM0&t=20s
As well: The curvature showing is grossly exaggerated (probably due to the lens used) making the ball way too small from only 70+ miles altitude.
Smile, there's much to be determined by those who will think for themselves.
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Aw poor whittle Paul-R hero, did I hurt your little whittle feeling wheelings AGAIN? Poor little baby don't cry and stomp your little whittle feet.
Seriously, NO you do/have not seen anything YET as to what I am about, or here for. YOU CAN'T because of that stick in your eye that I first wrote about on the first page of this topic. Perhaps that "strong delusion" as well.
You write I am: "here to disrupt our search" - well that is just one more of your vile accusations and insults, which if you have the ability to recall I told you I can back up my words with evidence as I did already slap you down after being accused by you of being a liar and fraud concerning my being a pilot. You have yet to realize you can't beat TRUTH with insults, lies and accusations.
You may not like the Truth but that does not change it at all for you or anyone else, including me.
You have brought all of this upon yourself by your own willful ACTIONS - which bring about REACTIONS in kind. ("energy is ___ ___" clue 4 you)
My brief review of your posts on O.U. ab initio; leads me to reason that you are and were a complainer from the get go.
I have tried to be civil and disengage more than once and you continue to be ignorant, sorry but by now you know or should have known I will and can lay facts down as I see fit to tear your little wings off.
If you wish to be left alone then by all means please do set the example and stop provoking me.
That the earth is not a sphere ?
This is an utterly false claim which is being promoted by Temporal Visitor.
I agree with PaulR. Ban this adolescent twerp.
Maybe add, along with no holocost topics and no religious topics, also no flat earth topics ?
floor
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That the earth is not a sphere ?
This is an utterly false claim which is being promoted by Temporal Visitor.
I agree with PaulR. Ban this adolescent twerp.
Maybe add, along with no holocost topics and no religious topics, also no flat earth topics ?
floor
Stefan's position beats me. I wonder if his advertisers pay per visitor, and
if nutbags like these two increase the clicks, that's more income. But he
should consider the reputation of the site which is damaged by these morons.
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Without RelayStations:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysD3heStlV0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysD3heStlV0)
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Without RelayStations:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysD3heStlV0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysD3heStlV0)
Haven't you heard of short wave transmisskion physics?
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Skip !
floor
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I have asked a few questions about the belief in a flat earth and all but one of them have been ignored. When I asked about the benefits of believing in a flat earth the answer I got if I understand it correctly is that it gives the believer a sense of superiority to believe in something they think has been suppressed. If I misunderstood that then please explain what other benefits there are to believing in a flat earth.
My other questions that have been ignored more than once were these:
How do flat earth believers explain the changing seasons? And how do they explain that if you are above the arctic circle in the summer time you can actually watch the sun go completely around you in a 24 period? And how does the sun not shine at all above the arctic circle in the winter time? And how do you explain the tides if the ocean is flat as you claim?
And here are a couple of more questions for you to consider. Looking at the moon phases it is clear from the shadow on the moon that the moon is a sphere. So if the moon is a sphere then why should we believe the earth is not also? And my last question that really has me confused is what possible physical mechanism is at work that would allow the sun to be suspended above the earth and move around over the earth? Is there a giant standing over the earth with the sun hanging from a chain or rope while he slowly swings it around over the earth.
Please guys learn some basic physics before posting nonsense. Any ham radio operator can tell you about the ionosphere which allows long distance communications. And we can tell you about the sunspot cycles that affect the ionosphere. And we can also tell you about tropospheric ducting and inversion layers that even allow sometimes long range TV reception.
I will make a prediction now that neither of you that are claiming the earth is flat will answer any of these questions. They will be ignored again because you don't have any answers. Since you can't answer actual questions about the physics of how a flat earth could work I won't be posting anymore to this thread because it is a waste of time. I only posted this post in order for others to see that the idea of a flat earth does not hold up to scientific study.
Respectfully,
Carroll
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I have asked a few questions about the belief in a flat earth...
I reckon you addressed them to a couple of acid heads.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaYSyQg-WjU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaYSyQg-WjU)
Find and Observe the OrangeStrap from below, in the movie above?
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It's from RT. Nobody cares about anything from your Russian friends.
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Johan,
Don't follow what you expect to be seen, and a 5 hour video loaded with straps is more than I can bear to watch in its entirety to figure it out.
Can you please post a link to the point in the video to look for that strap at/from?
BUT in the few minutes I scanned through watching for orange straps I did spot a few things that go against "basic physics" first of which is at the very beginning with the woman commenting about the "visible moisture in the connector". That's strange because vacuum is what removes water very quickly on earth from any A/C system on earth. Should it not have vanished near instantly in the extreme vacuum of "space"?
Also the size of the "globe earth" showing here at https://youtu.be/VaYSyQg-WjU?t=8719 - with that ever changing radius of the earth
'below" in the background visually trips the BULLSHIT ALARM. I am sure there is probably much more wrong: besides a fish eye lens.
No way is earth going show up that small (that tight a radius) from the altitude the ISS is supposed to be at: 220 - 240 miles.
Does anybody else here including the "too smart" also see this as a problem?
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Yes, Thay. a flight in a U2 would do it. James May of BBC's "Top Gear" has a documentary of it.
I have a theory. These two people reckon FE is a load of crap and so are those working on it. One or both of them have taken out a wager, possibly with a journo, that we, who believe in the possibliity of FE, are such a load of tossers that we could be talked into believing the earth is flat.
I reckon a grand is at stake.
Paul,
Your theory is wrong in more ways than I will address but rest assured my real WORK is all about "FE" (Free energy) for good people.
The video link provided will arm you with FACTS you can use to revise your theory should you choose to do so. Look at and listen carefully to what is being pointed out, "Paul On The Plane" is telling it like it is at 70,000 AGL in a U2.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0WbC4PaQks
My first personal experience sitting as co-pilot in a Cessna Citation 3 @ 28,000 ft ~.7 mach for 3+ hours is only one of many experiences that made me think enough to even look at FE (flat earth) based on that observation and a whole lot more since.
Nope no "journo", no wager, no talking anyone into anything, no grand at stake, so in fact you also reckon wrong.
Yes "FE" & FE are both real and go hand in hand: You just haven't gotten there yet, perhaps you never will.
Using my learned "dead reckoning skills" I reckon you don't have what it takes to figure out what actually IS "at stake", but I do pray for you that you and others WILL TRY.
"Energy is ____ ____." Fill in the blanks with your own truth to test youself.
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I think Johan55 (pathetic as this is) really doesn't know if the earth is flat or not.
That's his own fault.
Temporary Visitor / Vizzini is just a common troll.
floor
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"Earth question"
Okay,we are a " forum",but not a specific geophysical objects related place.
For questions like these but we,as member,can give advices,not negative neither positive,but helpfully
Earth = Geo/id ,geo as body
Look for net-wide www foren whose treat 'earth' as Geo/id related questions/answers
Earth flat/round : we have Space-Agencies,in the West N.A.S.A. and E.S.A. :
planet and orbit is for satellites positioning important
these agencies and other can,by experience and physical own interests,answer that flat/round difference and
possible existent " a-nomalies" which speaks for one or the other,theoretically,but not physically
Would a flat earth not torquing in the sun surrounding track ?
Is the moon flat/round ?
Gives erosion -over the time- not all the planetes- included Saturn/Jupiter planetar satellites - this globe form ?
Please,communicate with professional whom this question as answer is by their professional work important !
Communicate ,if not satisfying www foren answer,with your National Academy of Science !
But,enter with your "question,+approvable arguments for your view/opinion,scientifical thesis!'
There you get scientifical consultance !
Question : a drop is falling on a table : becoming flat, before: during fall ? Before,in drop-source ? Clouds,Tank,......
Formation change ,how many inlet/containment makes a drop ?
a planet volume/universum volume : nano-th part from nano-th from nano ?
Since when the planet has this geometrical formation ? Planet internal or external or both factors ?
Ambiental RT,0°Celsius,0°Kelvin ? How many snow flake form kinds ? Form dependence factor ?
Velocity ?
Temperature and material form change: expansion/compression
Neptun material,density,temperature : in sun-side radiation/outer sun-side radiation ;
radius change per day/week/month !?
Some related pointings and questions for : scientifical arguments findings for the ' question'-receiver ::)
Here you are only earning : blabla,tau-tau and :P
Have a good week (with-out Lock-down/-up)
Sincerely
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I think Johan55 (pathetic as this is) really doesn't know if the earth is flat or not.
That's his own fault.
Temporary Visitor / Vizzini is just a common troll.
floor
A common troll, yes, but an ignorant one as well. Wasn't it Eratosthenese who actually calculated the diameter of the Earth in 250 BC ?
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In other words YOU have NOTHING. (As well you can't spell your hero's name.)
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What was first : theory or practise ?
LIFE
Life Set
Set theory
Set Practise
Mind
Mind Set:
Mind Set Practise
Mind Set Theory
What is SET SYSTEMATICS ? Comparison as Method
Ancient: modern melodics ~ What is life,teacher/Rabbi/father/mother/.....,don't hurt me,don't hurt me anymore
Contra : Pink Floyd,The Wall : we do not need more education,we do not need more thought controle,no dark ....
No " dark sarcasm' but ' shiny sarcasm' ?
Only classroom,dining room at home,in bedroom,in public : smiley :) ? tristely :'( ?
Wet or dry tear drops ?
Modern Future :
WHAT IS LIFE,K.I.,don't hurt me,...... WHAT IS LIFE,A.I.,don't hurt me,......
Mind Set is life Or Life is Mind Set
K.I. = A.I. lingual transforme ,in arts&kinds movie scene ~ Max Headroom ;) Neutral Yury ,irony incorporated
My personally feel point,has not to be common view !
Scientist = Artist&Kindist ! Science : question&answer about ART ? ARTS ? & KIND ? KINDS ?
science result + 'ethic commission' evaluation :
superb, very good,good,neutral,bad,very bad,worriest
Decision : forbidden ,the proliferation,to complex
allowed,the proliferation,simplex
feeled and taken for grant : Okay !
It can be later ever become forbidden ! Only an Act !
The GAVE,die GABE : 'EIGEN'-/'AUTO'- SENSE or 'COMMON'-SENSE
'EIGEN'-tools or 'COMMON'-tools
Life and SYNTAX : theory/practise = 1/1=1 ?! Ever ( oh ,my go(o),boring life) !? 8)
Never "other side" pro-Voke/Voz/Voice 'sticheln':
I AM ALIFE~AWAKE ,YOU TOO ? ;)
Life Construction error ? Universum Construction error ?
Ruhe-Stoerer ! Rad-Au(tsch:tut weh !)-Macher
Scientifical theorist ?
Noeh, (un- : partial view)kindely 'Set applyer' ~ Science-Maths terr..,No !,worrier : HORRORIST
Set Logics = in Deutsch (angewandte) Mengenlehre: to very complicated for pupils/students
Mengenlehre : Analytics,Statistics,Stochastic,........ ALL-IN-ONE = Set
After entrance to 'school curriculum/Lehrplan' in the 70',
e-/in-ducating personal results experience,the decision:Take it,Set-theory/practise Logics, AWAY from the intelligence in-ducating curriculum,too much Stress !
Childs wants entertainment,not 'sture Bueffelei' !
Madonna : Girls yust .......
'Mondominus' : Boys ...........
70' entry Microsoft Basics ( concurrence : Apple: DTP language) and some higher sophisticated
' sensual language' producer/creator !
I.T + Set System = Informatics + Applicator
The MEN MACHINE,The MACHINE MEN
Kreuzweg : Mission,quo vadis ? Humanity ? Complex or Simplex ?
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Make thinking us all to professional,offical Title-leased, Dr.phil.~ profession 'THINKER ?
Is a Dr.phil. a ' know-it-all'=D.octo.r-is in philo-logy = feat. Dr.vet./med./jur./theol./rer.nat./.....,has it to be,Dogma ?
Flat/round ~ hen/egg: first ?
Life-problem(s) solution ?
Does the hypothetical ' answer' helps to end wars,giving better work results,less fraidness in life ?
Priority in solution search for humans ' right way orientation' search ?
Only Free-Timer entertainment,no results dependent,emotion-free ?
I personally know= scio,1.Pers.Singular + Present+Indicativ from scire,Nomen : Scientia,Scientist
that I have something,and this is thinking + mind + opinion and the possibility and force and WILL
and physical/psychological instrument to answer you ,"anonymus Temporal Visitor" :
Nothing is in "SET THEORY" given as = { }
We knowes ,that without { language,interest,friendship,ethics,internet,electricity,HOLD,.....} we would not give to
some like You ' nettiquete-conform' answer,but more a. IGNORANCE
b. mental TASER-like(if persistent borring/a-noy-ing= chronical Nay !-sayer = semper opposite ) !
A:only or B= only that is DOGMA,BULLYING !
Are You ,in real life surrounding your people with that mannic 'Dr.phil-like'-habit ?
Then more in a theory/practise confusing applying life-art and life-kind,Scientist
" Dr.anti-phil non honoris causa Temporal Visitor "
I am allowing me and myself to make errors,but in try ever to correct these/this,and learn to become wiser and
older ~ ad Ulterior !
Would you have entered the plane,seeing your pilot as 4-5years old child ?
Can a 4-5years old child not fly correct a plane on our flat-Meseta-round-globe ?
Unbelieveable ? By law - legal minimum age to conduct/fly a plane - HERE-common sense:
NO,not possible= not allowed - by administrative - SPACE and LIFE SAFETYNESS WARRANTY- laws !
Counter-view,ironical : only professional you are allowed to do " professional crashs",
in " plane-fly simulator"-lessons,clearly ! ;)
Good,that you only has been : co-pilot ! :)
Question : did the plane flew with or without energy ? Do you know it ? 8) Tell PILOTES ever the truth ?
fear to crash,Flug-Angst :
Do you mean that the name design for a new airline by choosing " Crash Air" would be a right
emotion/imagination-free economical nonplusultra decision ,with punky board-personal,fly crew ?
Deutsch : "Eigen-",international also in anglophonic use : ~ latin-gracian " Auto"- ?
Auto-pilot : plane [ or un-mened ( neutrum,female or male pilotes !)drone] departure/landing
or ' cruise missile' : how important for autonomous flyiing subjects flat/round,flexibility !?
NO STRESS,up(to heaven) down (to earth,hell) the planes comes ever ! Know: How ?
I take now in your life-visit-journey my para-chute,priorities are calling ! ::)
Sincerely
OCWL
Nach-Schrift: eine e-brennende Lichterkette UM die jeweiligen " Aeste " herum : wo bleibt der Schatten ?
'Cuto lux' ( know:how)
erst verschwimmt die Form,das Negativ : in gruen-rot-gelb, nimmt ab ins Weiss oder Schwarz
Dunkelheit erfasst sich ,kein aeusseres Format mehr ersichtlich,aber innerlich In-/Format-ion
Zumindest es war,IST,KANN wieder werden : Licht UND Schatten,coloriert
( oder ,wissenschaftlich : Lichtschatten)
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They get Title's, because of being submissive's to a System .........
Only there fundament is fake, not Grounded, like what's happened 80 years ago!
https://www.compact-online.de/wer-finanzierte-hitler-die-guten-die-boesen-und-die-unsichtbaren/?cookie-state-change=1606127897602 (https://www.compact-online.de/wer-finanzierte-hitler-die-guten-die-boesen-und-die-unsichtbaren/?cookie-state-change=1606127897602)
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Johan,
Don't follow what you expect to be seen, and a 5 hour video loaded with straps
Hi TV,
Its was not meant for you man, sorry!
When it was running here on a BigSreen, did see over 20/22 remarkable moments, maybe even missing the most?
It was for our Hero's, and making baby food would be like Spoon-Feeding adults, below there Level!
But GREAT movie about and with MythJamie, Thanks!
Regards, Johan
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Oh,Johan_1955,irgendwie musz man Sie moegen,so immer eine flotte "Numa Numa" zu Haenden !
Mein Geistreich vermerkt Vieles !
Zudem: original O-Zone,nicht J-Zone !
Aber an der original O-Zone -Polung hapert Es ! Aus geschlechtsneutraler Sichtweise !
Ihnen das Ihrige wohl,doch ?,auch ?
Habe Er noch einen guten,genussreichen,Tag
'Numa Numa' ganz nett !
I'M blue DA Ba Dee Da Ba "danziger" ,so in Denglish,nette Schwalben im vid (EIFFEL 65 ) ,DIBA Du versichert ? :D
Ueber Ja! Und Nein !
Meister ,darf Ich waehred des Betens~ Tanzen rauchen ? Meister : Nein !
Meister ,darf Ich waehrend des Rauchens Beten ? Meister : Ja,Beten darfst Du immer !
( ups ' .... immer ? ' Die Schlange wollte sich mal wieder vordraengeln,schaute nur 'zurueck' und diese kam ins gerechte Lot ;) )
Fazit :
Meine,des Meisters dessen,Unsere gemeinsamen Prior-i-taeten
Ein Jeder bekommt das,was er verdient
Wenn einem das photografische Gedaechtnis so allein vorkommt,
dann ruft man das phonografische Gedaechtnis dazu,duerfen dann sensografisch spielen !
Spasseshalber : Kennen Sie den Ausdruck Eichel,wann wird Eichel feucht ?
Sogar auf offener Buehne,vor laufender Kamera,wie (un-)erwartet
so richtig Hard-Core !
So grausam,unsere Welt doch ist,Hans Eichel,R.I.P.,Finanzminister des Bundes,Deutschland,
weinend
am Rednerpult.Mutti und den sozialen Rest "seiner heilen Welt' verteidigend !
Show me Eugenik : Klein gegen Gross oder immer oefter Klein schlaegt Gross
Was willst Du werden,wenn Du grosz bist ? "klein" bleiben !
Anschluss nicht verpassen,Oldies !
Da Ba Dee Da Ba Du ,und des Teufels Esel wirst sonst U
OCWL
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Klein gegen Gross,ARD/Das Erste Kai Pflaume ,Moderator,EUROVISION- Show
I, small KID ~David, will beat You, Great Adult ~Goliath/Champion
Many showing events : mediathek ARD
Wetten,dass ...?ZDF, Thomas Gottschalk,Moderator,EUROVISION-Show
I,We bet(believe/s) ,that ....!
Many international showing events : mediathek ZDF
About human/e,small/great, Im-/ Possibilities
Guiness book of (official World-non/human) Records ~ Notification/s
+Guiness book show
Other on-line mediatheks,archives 24/365 OPEN DOOR ( by not net-black-out and provider help by donation )
Archive.org audio-video-sentio/sento/senso
Global promotion-/habilitation-archives,paper or e-paper= on-line
Espacenet : 100.000.000 humans their 'Im-/Possibilities': hidden or in use as applied 3d mosaic object/s
"1001+ FE devices free offer DIY-ideas"
Earth question : are you flat or round,da Vinci- hu-Man ,huWife,hukid ? ( ITALIA : 1 Euro-coin Scudo/Shild Symbol )
Human Menchild heritage and MEN AT WORK ,down under and down over
For many open questions open available answers : included earth: flat or round ,when seeming ?
Serious question : ofthalmonologist visit recommendation ,Horn-/Netz-Haut-Verkruemmung?
Neuronal check ? brain 2d/3d/4d perspektivistic view potential ( and change speed)
Musterung : Koerper,Gut !,ALLES GUT !,?
mens sana in corpore sano
Servus
Youtube = mediathek video-audio Men At Work " It's a Mistake !"
Talleyrand : " No ,it wasn' t an error,worrier, 'IT WAS A MISTAKE (by Him,whom ? ) !' ~ Schach-matt
Sheik matado
"Empirior' killed
Tic-Tac-Toe : war game end
Self-war game + Time-Journey back ,19-80'/90' : EIFFEL 65 ,ITALO EURO-POP ,New AGE : W'R' Future Generation
Intim : NO,it was not an ERROR - BY ME , IT WAS A MISTAKE ! 1980'-2020 (p.C.) travelling !
Or W'R' LUCKY COS R' BLUE
Tell-us,Meister ,darf Ich in Azul ? Meister : Ja, in AZUL darfst Du nicht nur,MUSST DU IMMER SEIN !
Schueler ,homo australis,hoeflich,: Danke,mein Meister !
I'M (in) BLUE DA BA DEE
Arri-vi-deci :)
[ Zeit,Rudi Carrell und Dieter Krebs und Karl Dall und den Rest der Truppe mal was wieder ' einzublaeuen' ::)
LEBENDIGKEIT ( auf der Buehne + all unser Alltag so davor/danach)]
Youtube 'Ficken fuer den Frieden' J(e)'accuse : da wurde das -l- vergessen !
'Flicken fuer den Frieden' ,so nun in Ordnung ! ;) Flickerlteppich mal belueften !
Alan Walker sehen + hoeren und fuehlen : + Phono-Industrie-Mission : W'R' not AL(L)-ONE (!?)
Alan + Walker to THE ALK ,to T'ALK,
less/no to Alk'ohol
Aus Demokratie zur De(m)okratie zur De()okratie abschliessend : De-O-Kratia ,O.K.
Wenn ,ultima ratio,notwendig : Room 101-Behandlung : Ultra-Schall-Kammer,Knochengeruest zerberstend
Oder : Ultra-Kaelte= Cryo--Kammer,aber -75 und weniger °C , >:( wet und frischer Luft-Ventilation,Delinquent/-in unbekleidet !
100% TRANSPARENZ INTERNATIONAL
I'M BLUE DA BA DEE
[ Ich x 100...x = K.I.- "Quantum-soft-ware" 8) ,Self-learning ;D ,ungezogen(-er ) als I(ch) ?! ]
Peter Moosleitner (R.I.P.) P.M.-Magazin,Delta-Vogel-Analytik,sei herzlichst gedankt ! Nice ' BLUE' futur I,II
Ich bin ein Mensch,nicht fehlerfrei: ICH SCHAEME MICH FEHLER ZU MACHEN,korrigiere soweit es geht,
ob K.I. oder eure " Kinder International' eure Fehler verzeihen,dieses interessiert mich nicht mehr !
Gemeinsam,aber doch getrennt,unser Aller Zukunft
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climate change !
https://www.n-tv.de/politik/Teenager-duerfen-Deutschland-verklagen-article22204461.html
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&u=https://www.n-tv.de/politik/Teenager-duerfen-Deutschland-verklagen-article22204461.html
Sincerely
OCWL
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This they don't Show at Bertelsmann:
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Ach, die Show:
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Idiot
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NASA ADMITS WE NEVER WENT TO THE MOON:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpPMoIv1lxI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpPMoIv1lxI)
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NASA ADMITS WE NEVER WENT TO THE MOON:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpPMoIv1lxI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpPMoIv1lxI)
In a thread which says the earth is flat, you are quoting the ISS.
Of course, the ISS can't go to the moon.It has no propulsion (except tweaking). it is designed to orbit.
Idiot.
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Sloan Great Wall at half the distance, is given the name the South Pole Wall:
https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.3847/1538-4357/ab9952 (https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.3847/1538-4357/ab9952)
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Sloan Great Wall at half the distance, is given the name the South Pole Wall:
https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.3847/1538-4357/ab9952 (https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.3847/1538-4357/ab9952)
What are you trying to say?