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Offline lancaIV

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Re: Earth Question
« Reply #120 on: October 28, 2020, 12:31:09 AM »
I think that geologists have their answer !
By Wegener his "Pangaea"- hypothesis they did/ are searching worldwide by continental puzzling for findings of mineral deposits !
What we actually are seeing is not "historical reality" ,going the time-line 10.000 years back and calculating the ice-time-shelf density :
the coastal water-line up to 120 meters deeper than today ,important for archaeology

                                                          Im-/possibilities

Can a human body survive,without injuries,a free fall from 25000 feets without parachute  ? Condition ?

Luke Aikins can give experienced answer !



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Re: Earth Question
« Reply #121 on: October 28, 2020, 12:43:06 AM »
Flat Earthers only do this to cause trouble and raise the angers. If they were ever to take a jet flight other than commercial, then the obvious would be. Take the live picture of the famous Red Bull Jump. 85K feet and you could seriously see the curves of the Earth there. No questions at all. Any military pilot will confirm. Just butt heads having fun causing troubles.


thay

Yes, Thay. a flight in a U2 would do it. James May of BBC's "Top Gear" has a documentary of it.


I have a theory. These two people reckon FE is a load of crap and so are those working on it. One or both of them have taken out a wager, possibly with a journo, that we, who believe in the possibliity of FE, are such a load of tossers that we could be talked into believing the earth is flat.

I reckon a grand is at stake.

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Re: Earth Question
« Reply #122 on: October 28, 2020, 02:52:25 PM »
Hello Carrol,

I'll point out that it seems you have not addressed this post to anyone specifically - but it feels like you expect my response.

You and I have only once perhaps twice that I recall ever had any contact and if I recall correctly that concerned your kind words about others attacking me, and picture sizing advice you offered, to which I most likely thanked you for.
Please do correct me if you feel I am wrong on any of the above.

Through the years I have read things you've written that made me think there might be things you and myself had/have in common that would be of benefit to us both, perhaps even to others. This post today makes me wonder, but also warranted a reply.

 I ask is this the question(s) in question?

Michael




Hello Michael,


My post was directed towards anyone that believes the earth is flat.  Thanks for your reply.  And I believe you are correct about any past posts between us.


Here again are the questions I am wondering about.  What benefit is there in believing the earth is flat?  Or in believing it is a sphere?  As long as we can navigate and get where we want to go does it really matter which is correct?


And my other questions I recently posted are these:  How do flat earth believers explain the changing of the seasons?  And how do they explain that if you are north of the Arctic Circle in the summer months you can actually watch the sun go completely around you in 24 hours and never go below the horizon.  I have been there and seen that.  And conversely in the winter months the sun never comes above the horizon if you are north of the Arctic Circle.  I don't see how that is possible if the earth was flat.


Respectfully,
Carroll

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Offline onepower

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Re: Earth Question
« Reply #123 on: October 28, 2020, 05:30:24 PM »
Paul-R
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I have a theory. These two people reckon FE is a load of crap and so are those working on it. One or both of them have taken out a wager, possibly with a journo, that we, who believe in the possibliity of FE, are such a load of tossers that we could be talked into believing the earth is flat.

Here is a good article...https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog/psych-unseen/201702/flat-earthers-belief-skepticism-and-denialism
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Just so, Flat Earthers often talk about planetary geometry in terms of “belief in” rather than “belief that,” as if the evidence for a spherical Earth is lacking. But that claim isn’t really so much about believing. It's denialism.

Better put...
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With those words, Irving seems to be defending a denialist position that has the potential to give way to a slippery slope of rejecting all facts. According to that extreme version of denialism, nothing can be trusted, not even scientific evidence.

Now ask yourself what group of people have the most to gain from denialism implying all facts including scientific facts cannot be trusted?.
The answer...
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“Today, we have multiple factions putting themselves forward as what Gauchat describes as their own cultural domains, “generating their own knowledge base that is often in conflict with the cultural authority of the scientific community.” Some are religious groups (challenging evolution, for instance). Some are industry groups (as with climate skepticism). Others tilt more to the left (such as those that reject the medical establishment). As varied as these groups are, they are all alike in one way. They all harbor sacred beliefs that they do not consider open to question.

Now we know who they are and what they actually want and it has nothing to do with a flat earth.

Regards

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Re: Earth Question
« Reply #124 on: October 28, 2020, 06:30:12 PM »

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Re: Earth Question
« Reply #125 on: October 28, 2020, 06:35:09 PM »
Flat Earthers only do this to cause trouble and raise the angers. If they were ever to take a jet flight other than commercial, then the obvious would be. Take the live picture of the famous Red Bull Jump. 85K feet and you could seriously see the curves of the Earth there. No questions at all. Any military pilot will confirm. Just butt heads having fun causing troubles.

thay

Maybe Outside is FishEye lenses, inside normal lens?
 

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Re: Earth Question
« Reply #126 on: October 28, 2020, 06:43:16 PM »
It can be ......

https://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/pdf/88104main_H-1391.pdf

It's a first order approximatkion, dickhead. Find out what that means.
Eugen Duke worked for NASA, you hairbrained idiot. Do you think they are flat earthers?



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Re: Earth Question
« Reply #127 on: October 28, 2020, 06:46:01 PM »
It can be ......

https://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/pdf/88104main_H-1391.pdf


I am sorry Johan but you appear to lack an understanding of basic scientific research.  That paper does NOT claim the earth is flat and not rotating.  It is saying that for the purpose of study of the dynamics of flight a flat non-rotating earth will be assumed in order to simplify the calculations.


And in addition to my other questions that have never been answered how do flat earth believers explain the tides since you claim the oceans are flat and not curved?


Carroll

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Re: Earth Question
« Reply #128 on: October 28, 2020, 06:59:31 PM »
Nice also : Earth rotation velocity 1670 Km per h
                   
                   Earth rotation around the sun velocity 107 280 Km per h

                   Solarsystem rotation around MilkyWay-galaxis central axis velocity ?

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Re: Earth Question
« Reply #129 on: October 30, 2020, 10:44:22 AM »

No time, because of helping lots of victims from a fake pandemia, but just look:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yqfg-SMY6Y8
 

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Re: Earth Question
« Reply #130 on: October 30, 2020, 10:55:06 AM »

Johan,
Instead of posting fake videos just answer my questions I have asked several time now. 

These have got to be some of the most ridiculous arguments I have ever seen.  But my question I posed a few pages back was never answered.  What possible benefit is it to believe the earth is flat?


How do you flat earthers explain the changing seasons?  Just in your own words.  I am not going to waste my time watching some 2 hour video where the special effects can make anything seem possible.


And how do you explain that in the summer time if you are north of the arctic circle you can actually watch the sun go completely around you in a circle in 24 hours?  And don't tell me that is not true because I have been there and seen it.


And how do you explain that in the winter time the sun never appears at all if you are above the arctic circle?


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« Reply #131 on: October 30, 2020, 07:27:15 PM »
Hello Michael,

My post was directed towards anyone that believes the earth is flat.  Thanks for your reply.  And I believe you are correct about any past posts between us.

Here again are the questions I am wondering about.  What benefit is there in believing the earth is flat?  Or in believing it is a sphere?  As long as we can navigate and get where we want to go does it really matter which is correct?

And my other questions I recently posted are these:  How do flat earth believers explain the changing of the seasons?  And how do they explain that if you are north of the Arctic Circle in the summer months you can actually watch the sun go completely around you in 24 hours and never go below the horizon.  I have been there and seen that.  And conversely in the winter months the sun never comes above the horizon if you are north of the Arctic Circle.  I don't see how that is possible if the earth was flat.


Respectfully,
Carroll

Carrol,

Thanks for the clarification however my reading of each post you have made on this topic as it has developed makes me wonder if this response will be worth the effort it requires on my part, since the questions you pose involve "belief" which is not and does not equate with "truth" which is defined to mean: facts in agreement with reality. Truth is the driving force in my life, I loathe deception - I need truth and I WORK for it.

Moreover, that each and every living man, woman, and child upon this rock allegedly hurtling through endless space to points unknown has their very own mind with which they in fact perceive sensory inputs, individually as unique beings. Each filters information received in an attempt to determine how it does or does not, could or might, will or won't be useful to "benefit" themselves this moment in the here and now, or at sometime in the future. That makes any perceived "benefit" a personal matter of their own mind.

For some; weighing past experience and information against a newly presented situation or concept and an endless list of other factors beyond the "knowing" of anyone other than the one doing all of that. Effectively making "beliefs" a matter of another endless list of other variables that all ultimately boil down to personal mindset and choice, both of which are also personal thoughts that guide them in their own action or inaction. All of which is inextricably intertwined with desires and fears to set the stage for what will or won't be accepted as that particular individuals "belief" by that individual.

My personal thought is that people argue about the "beliefs" of others in almost absolute ignorance of how and what the other has already observed, experimented, and experienced that brought them to whatever "belief" they might hold as their own.

I have my own "beliefs", and they are personal, perhaps a reflection of countless life experiences I have had and survived "against the odds" that others have not had to deal with where they have placed or found their life was in fact on the line to get that experience. Later to learn the effect and lasting consequences, but not always the reasons and underlying purpose.

The way I view there being any "benefit" whatsoever from simply having "belief" alone in something/anything alone, is that IN FACT nothing real will come of that "belief" because without physical action there can be no reaction from the reality of nature itself.

Without regard to the amount of people who think alike/similarly: iF/WHEN nobody does nuthin this pesky fact irrefutably remains: From nuthin comes from nuthin.  (humor intended by deliberate misspelling)

Your first two questions: "What benefit is there in believing the earth is flat?  Or in believing it is a sphere?"

Honest answer: NONE. (Recall: Truth requires few words. Also Occam's Razor?)

I'll point out that both beliefs share a common necessity for empirical evidence since we are discussing a physical object which ipso facto does not require belief. Empirical evidence can be physical or argument helping to establish the truth of a statement.

As well either and both beliefs share or should I say suffer a common lack of physical evidence that given mans present level of technological sophistication should be very easily obtainable, especially by those who have faith in their educated belief to claim they and everyone else are in fact living upon a globe.

Problem with that is that there are zero single snapshot photo's, or real video footage showing so much as one full day of the alleged globe from "outer space" that can stand up to forensic examination done by one capable of doing so, which today is not out of reach for most anyone who actually is willing to apply themselves.

IMO argument is not going to cut it when actual photo/video evidence should long ago have been disseminated to the public by those in possession of it - IF IT EXISTS.  I've applied myself to find it and came up empty handed.

After all; anyone with two working brain cells should have sense enough to come to grips with the fact that believing something does not make it real or true anymore than disbelief negates that which is true and real.

Never the less here are some rough draft thoughts on several possible/potential benefits of "belief" that "flat earthers" might stand to realize but only IF AND WHEN they TAKE ACTION to do the REQUIRED WORK.
1.  Healthy and improved mental acuity by means of using their own given thinking/information processing ability.
2.  Healthy and improved faculty of perceiving by means of their given sense organs.
3.  Healthy and improved development of uncommon sense in addition to "common sense" alone.
4.  Healthy and improved reasoning ability by means of developing/using critical thought over rote memorization.
5.  Healthy and improved consciousness of what they are the result of, and the peace of mind that truth brings.
6.  Healthy and improved free thinking resulting in self reliance accompanied by greater personal liberty, awareness and responsibility, thus more WORK and reduced dependency on others.

Here please find several possible/potential benefits of "belief" that "believing it is a sphere" might stand to realize as members of the herd despite their "belief" of being achievers, highly intellectual free spirits, in a land where no child is left behind, providing they survive to even be born.

1.  Diminishing health and reduced mental acuity by not using their own given thinking/information processing ability.
2.  Diminishing health and reduced faculty of perceiving by reduced reliance on and use of their given sense organs.
3.  Diminishing health and reduced development of uncommon sense in addition to "common sense" alone.
4.  Diminishing health and reduced reasoning ability by lack of developing/using critical thought over rote memorization.
5.  Diminishing health and reduced consciousness of what they are the result of and the peace of mind truth brings.
6.  Diminishing health and reduced free thinking resulting in reliance on others accompanied by reduced personal liberty, awareness and responsibility, thus more WORK for the plantation owners and dependency on them.

Your other questions are ancillary to the main precept, an assertion of: a spherical globe established in fact.
 
Without actual proof of that first, there can be only speculation as to the relevance of any evidence offered to support the previous assertion thus wasting time and valuable resources of the body reviewing any such claims and questions.

In court one quickly learns: he/she who is unable to provide and or enter his/her evidence into the record of the case loses. (Unless the game is rigged, and as one who has been oh so involved): THE GAME IS RIGGED!

Please understand that it is not my intent to cut you off at the knees, in fact I feel I went the extra mile in writing this out, so if you have real evidence of a globe would you be so kind as to get it to me for forensic examination that we might get to your other questions should the precept be first determined to be A MATTER OF FACT?

I look forward to you being able to do so, it would end the "fantasy" of all those who do have the stones to dare questioning their masters and allow all of them to be good little slaves CON-tent in their new "belief".

You've stated you aren't going to watch 2 hour video(s) so here are a few short ones you might try to view to better understand how and why people get to the point of questioning the precept of a globe in the first place,
to help satisfy any curiosity you might have.
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1.   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tr1-WRrhgtg (34 min, starts with your questions: benefit)

2.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0peS1oxYLo (14 min, thought provoking and addresses why)

3.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxRnc4-ViXo (32 min, The case for Flat Earth, good points to ponder)

4.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOqc63Pp9OA (26 min, The greatest deception, good also)

5.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlUNJzU9Mdw (26 min, moon landing evidence issues)

6.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq3jjzI8Gdo (13 min, Stefan Molyneux - The Story of Your Enslavement)

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Re: Earth Question
« Reply #132 on: October 30, 2020, 08:18:50 PM »
Thanks, TV.
So it looks like we are all part of the Truman Show! What happens when we keep digging and find too much? They wipe us out and start over?
I've always wondered at being able to see the moon during the day: https://youtu.be/jxRnc4-ViXo?t=853
Seems logical that it would have to be in our atmosphere in order to see it during the day.
I'm entirely too prone to confirmation bias, so I'll just go back to sleep now!
Cheers
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« Reply #133 on: October 30, 2020, 09:24:30 PM »
Thanks, TV.
So it looks like we are all part of the Truman Show! What happens when we keep digging and find too much? They wipe us out and start over?
I've always wondered at being able to see the moon during the day: https://youtu.be/jxRnc4-ViXo?t=853
Seems logical that it would have to be in our atmosphere in order to see it during the day.
I'm entirely too prone to conformation bias, so I'll just go back to sleep now!
Cheers

You are welcome. Also got chuckle out your popcorn eating picture and timing, Thanks.
Never saw the show other than the clip of the boat poking the wall/sky.
Don't have answers to either question but would comment: Read and save history on paper before it is gone from "the ClouDzzz".
Have also seen the same many times and pondered it as well, besides a few other real oddities.

You write; "I'm entirely too prone to conformation bias" - Once upon a time so was I. - What if that is what is stopping you from having the simple information/knowledge to be able to bring FE (Free "Energy") into this realm?

Before bedtime - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeMFqkcPYcg

Sleep on it.



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