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Offline onepower

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Re: Earth Question
« Reply #15 on: September 26, 2020, 08:58:20 PM »
The problem with flat earthers is that there hiding mental problems under the guise of a non-belief which is obviously false.

For example, even a six year old would know if the earth were flat and we kept walking or flying in one direction we would reach the end of it. However we do not and we always come "full circle" right back where we started. As well if the earth were flat no satellites or space craft could "orbit" the earth like they do. We also have decades of real proof the earth is in fact round not flat. So we should be clear "flat earth" is not a belief per se but a complete lack of basic reasoning skills and a sign of mental problems. It came about not because of any facts or valid line of reason rather these people enjoy gaslighting other people.

Belief; trust, faith, or confidence in someone or something.

For example, many believe in a god not because they have any proof one exists rather they have no comprehension how we and the universe came to be. Thus the belief has some merit because the question still remains mostly unanswered to this day. So we should understand the difference between a real belief which has some justification and gaslighting designed to manipulate people which has no justification.

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Re: Earth Question
« Reply #16 on: September 29, 2020, 09:22:12 AM »

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« Reply #17 on: September 29, 2020, 11:49:39 AM »
28000 kilometres per hour the velocity from the human space station I.S.S.,
so this station rounds the globe( for some flat) in 90 minutes or 16 times per earth day !
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p.s. : how flat in deep ? Jules Verne : 20 000 Meilen unter dem Meer  ::)

         'Hohle Welt' : in air miles ~ nautical mile ~ 1852 meters

     or   'below the ocean ' ~ below water = earth rock : land mile : 1609,34 meters


Middlepoint calculation : DIE REISE ZUM MITTELPUNKT DER ERDE ,idem Jules Verne
                                                                             8)
Summa summarum : 20 000 miles x 2 = belletristrical diameter calculation from middle point
                                       x a. nautical mile b. land mile

the flat earth diameter is between a. 74 080 and  b. 64 373 kilometers length

So how fast has the I.S.S. to surround this conceptual "fantasy earth " ?

                                           stupidity versus q.e.d. by facts


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Re: Earth Question
« Reply #18 on: September 29, 2020, 01:49:27 PM »
28000 kilometres per hour the velocity from the human space station I.S.S.,
so this station rounds the globe( for some flat) in 90 minutes or 16 times per earth day !

Any minute now, Johan will come back to say that the ISS is "Fake News" and that what we see in the sky is a big light which is switched on west to east and off when it goes back again.

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Re: Earth Question
« Reply #19 on: September 29, 2020, 01:54:15 PM »
Looks clear:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTZwkWLAx9Y

After listening to the rousing speech in the video I made the following observation:

I am a good person, I fulfill all demands and commands from the video. And everybody to whom I speak and have ever spoken is also a good person who does no evil. It is alway the others who are bad apples. The video clearly addresses the others.


Some questions of a poor soul who wants the truth:

Some pictures in the video show a hollow earth rather than a flat earth. So what ist it, hollow or flat?

Is the moon also flat? Is the sun flat too?

Where do the thousands of satellites and the space station fly? Where do the hundreds of space probes go? Specially the ones to other planets like Mars, Jupiter and Pluto? Are they all hoaxes? Is the space program a hoax and why would one pull that hoax?


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Offline citfta

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« Reply #20 on: September 29, 2020, 03:31:31 PM »
Good questions Conrad.  What I can't understand is what possible benefit is there for anyone to claim the earth is round if it really was flat?  And vice versa.  What do the flat earth people hope to do by claiming the earth is flat against all observable facts?  None of it makes any sense.


The silly discussion about the perimeter of the Antarctic versus the perimeter of the earth just really blows my mind.  Anyone with the least amount of understanding about geometry can easily see how an object can have a greater perimeter than the object it is inside of.  Just draw a star inside a circle and see which one has the longer perimeter.


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Re: Earth Question
« Reply #21 on: September 29, 2020, 04:09:24 PM »


One must be mindful of the delicate matter of mental health.



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Offline onepower

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Re: Earth Question
« Reply #22 on: September 29, 2020, 09:06:03 PM »
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Good questions Conrad.  What I can't understand is what possible benefit is there for anyone to claim the earth is round if it really was flat?  And vice versa.  What do the flat earth people hope to do by claiming the earth is flat against all observable facts?  None of it makes any sense.

In the right context it makes perfect sense...https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog/here-there-and-everywhere/201701/11-warning-signs-gaslighting

Gaslighting 101
1. They tell blatant lies.

You know it's an outright lie. Yet they are telling you this lie with a straight face. Why are they so blatant? Because they're setting up a precedent. Once they tell you a huge lie, you're not sure if anything they say is true. Keeping you unsteady and off-kilter is the goal.

2. They deny they ever said something, even though you have proof.

You know they said they would do something; you know you heard it. But they out and out deny it. It makes you start questioning your reality—maybe they never said that thing. And the more they do this, the more you question your reality and start accepting theirs.

3. They use what is near and dear to you as ammunition.

They know how important your kids are to you, and they know how important your identity is to you. So those may be one of the first things they attack. If you have kids, they tell you that you should not have had those children. They will tell you'd be a worthy person if only you didn't have a long list of negative traits. They attack the foundation of your being.

4. They wear you down over time.

This is one of the insidious things about gaslighting—it is done gradually, over time. A lie here, a lie there, a snide comment every so often...and then it starts ramping up. Even the brightest, most self-aware people can be sucked into gaslighting—it is that effective. It's the "frog in the frying pan" analogy: The heat is turned up slowly, so the frog never realizes what's happening to it.

5. Their actions do not match their words.

When dealing with a person or entity that gaslights, look at what they are doing rather than what they are saying. What they are saying means nothing; it is just talk. What they are doing is the issue.

6. They throw in positive reinforcement to confuse you.

This person or entity that is cutting you down, telling you that you don't have value, is now praising you for something you did. This adds an additional sense of uneasiness. You think, "Well maybe they aren't so bad." Yes, they are. This is a calculated attempt to keep you off-kilter—and again, to question your reality. Also look at what you were praised for; it is probably something that served the gaslighter.

7. They know confusion weakens people.

Gaslighters know that people like having a sense of stability and normalcy. Their goal is to uproot this and make you constantly question everything. And humans' natural tendency is to look to the person or entity that will help you feel more stable—and that happens to be the gaslighter. 

8. They project.

They are a drug user or a cheater, yet they are constantly accusing you of that. This is done so often that you start trying to defend yourself, and are distracted from the gaslighter's own behavior.

9. They try to align people against you.

Gaslighters are masters at manipulating and finding the people they know will stand by them no matter what—and they use these people against you. They will make comments such as, "This person knows that you're not right," or "This person knows you're useless too." Keep in mind it does not mean that these people actually said these things. A gaslighter is a constant liar. When the gaslighter uses this tactic it makes you feel like you don't know who to trust or turn to—and that leads you right back to the gaslighter. And that's exactly what they want: Isolation gives them more control. 

10. They tell you or others that you are crazy.

This is one of the most effective tools of the gaslighter, because it's dismissive. The gaslighter knows if they question your sanity, people will not believe you when you tell them the gaslighter is abusive or out-of-control. It's a master technique. 

11. They tell you everyone else is a liar.

By telling you that everyone else (your family, the media) is a liar, it again makes you question your reality. You've never known someone with the audacity to do this, so they must be telling the truth, right? No. It's a manipulation technique. It makes people turn to the gaslighter for the "correct" information—which isn't correct information at all.


The Russian trolls have been very busy trying to convince everyone up is down and white is black and have even admitted the goal is to create chaos in the western world to destroy everything we hold dear. This is psychological warfare and it seems to be working so far, look at the state of the free world from where it was 10 years ago. How did our allies, fellow countrymen and facts become the enemy?, how did our real enemies like the Russians not having any of our values become our supposed friends?.

It's not rocket science... the free world is being blackmailed, duped into destroying themselves.

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Re: Earth Question
« Reply #23 on: October 05, 2020, 03:01:05 PM »
Just draw a star inside a circle and see which one has the longer perimeter.

Carroll

Dear Carroll,

Please, can you draw such a Star image for me?

Thanks and regards,
Johan


Die Erde ist ein Kreis, keine Kugel: Jesaja 40:22, Sprüche 8:27, Hiob 38: 13-14

Die Erde ist fest und unbeweglich: 1 Chronik 16:30, Psalm 33: 9, Psalm 93: 1, Psalm 96:10, Psalm 104: 5, Psalm 119: 89-90, Jesaja 14: 7, Jesaja 45:18, Sacharja 1:11, Hebräer 11:10, 2. Petrus 3: 5

Die Erde hat Säulen und hängt an nichts: 1. Samuel 2: 8, Hiob 9: 6, Hiob 26: 7, Psalm 75: 3

Die Erde hat Enden: Deuteronomium 28:49, Deuteronomium 28:64, Deuteronomium 33:17, 1 Samuel 2:10, Hiob 37: 3, Hiob 38:13, Psalm 46: 9, Psalm 48:10, Psalm 59:13, Psalm 61: 2, Psalm 65: 5, Psalm 67: 7, Psalm 72: 8, Psalm 98: 3, Psalm 135: 7, Sprüche 8:29, Sprüche 17:24, Sprüche 30: 4, Jesaja 5:26, Jesaja 26:15, Jesaja 40:28, Jesaja 41: 5, Jesaja 41: 9, Jesaja 42:10, Jesaja 43: 6, Jesaja 45:22, Jesaja 48:20, Jesaja 49: 6, Jesaja 52:10, Jeremia 10:13, Jeremia 16:19, Jeremia 25:31, Jeremia 25:33, Jeremia 51:16, Daniel 4:22, Micha 5: 4, Sacharja 9:10, Matthäus 12:42, Lukas 11:31, Apostelgeschichte 13:47

Die Sonne bewegt sich, nicht die Erde: Genesis 15:12, Genesis 15:17, Genesis 19:23, Genesis 32:31, Exodus 17:12, Exodus 22: 3, Exodus 22:26,   3. Mose 22: 7, Numeri 2: 3, Numeri 21:11, Numeri 34:15, Deuteronomium 4:41, Deuteronomium 4:47, Deuteronomium 11:30, Deuteronomium 16: 6, Deuteronomium 23:11, Deuteronomium 24:13, Deuteronomium 24:15, Josua 1: 15, Joshua 8:29, Joshua 10:27, Joshua 12: 1, Joshua 13: 5, Joshua 19:12, Joshua 19:27, Joshua 19:34, Richter 8:13, Richter 9:33, Richter 14: 18, Richter 19:14, Richter 20:43, 2 Samuel 2:24, 2 Samuel 3:35, 2 Samuel 23: 4, 1 Könige 22:36, 2 Chroniken 18:34, Psalm 50: 1, Psalm 113: 3, Prediger 1: 5, Jesaja 41:25, Jesaja 45: 6, Jesaja 59:19, Jeremia 15: 9, Daniel 6:14, Amos 8: 9, Jona 4: 8, Micha 3: 6, Nahum 3: 17, Maleachi 1:11, Matthäus 5:45, Markus 16: 2, Epheser 4:26, Jakobus 1:11
 
 

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« Reply #24 on: October 06, 2020, 04:51:45 AM »

 When I read those verses and think of the how can the sun and moon stop or change their rotation without destroying the world, it makes me wonder if God made it stop in a way that would not disrupt the earth, sun and moon.  So my thought is that God is also the God of time.  So why couldn't He place those people in a different speed or even reversal of time if he wanted to.  So My believe is that the earth, sun moon and stars for everyone else was as normal.  The people involved in these stories were experiencing a different time table.  The sun standing still for them would be a real experience of a longer day.

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Re: Earth Question
« Reply #25 on: October 06, 2020, 06:56:33 AM »
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« Reply #26 on: October 06, 2020, 07:20:47 AM »
The pentagram (one point up is a symbol for man).
   But...
Here is a better example Johan-1955. it symbolizes mankind
putting the animal nature above reason / spirit and so on. 
Life / man, turned up side down.  Bad not good.

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« Reply #27 on: October 07, 2020, 12:56:38 PM »
Thank you Lunkster and Floor for trying to add some common sense to this thread.  But I am still confused about what anyone hopes to accomplish by trying to convince people the earth is flat?  What possible benefit is it to believe the earth is flat instead of a sphere?  I just don't get it.


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« Reply #28 on: October 07, 2020, 01:24:23 PM »
What possible benefit is it to believe the earth is flat instead of a sphere?  I just don't get it.


Carroll

You are looking for sense.

On this subject, if you put "bath bun short of a picnic" into google, you are carried to a discussion of the software driving an Airbus aircraft, arguably a more serious example of barking mad behaviour. At least, this thread has not killed 300 people in a fiery inferno.



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« Reply #29 on: October 07, 2020, 09:38:12 PM »

Translate and so ................ Check this out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhqpCNnrRNY
 

 

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