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Author Topic: Ultrasonic / mechanical cavitation used to transmute matter  (Read 2210 times)

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Re: Ultrasonic / mechanical cavitation used to transmute matter
« Reply #15 on: September 23, 2020, 07:03:33 PM »
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read this first and than go here to the video:
https://overunity.com/18632/ultrasonic-mechanical-cavitation-used-to-transmute-matter/msg550943/#msg550943


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQ-_T1nWqP0

In regards to opinion of  Dr Roy I must say that mentioned video from above 
is done in the  environment  similar to 19 century   alchemy lab.
- there is lack of analysis  by means of 
-EDXRF   
-Electron microscope
- chromatography
-  HPGE  with Ortec/ Canberra software to  assign energies into  its byproducts  if Beta, Gamma/ Alpha is active after  transmutation.
 Ironically  truthful and shockingly obvious is the fact that all of these Italian chemists,  nuclear scientists, engineers
didn't have access  to the listed by me  equipment in their Italian Universities
and I have all of it in my lab..also  the  place the  examination was provided  looks like church  room, or
old Harvard storage room and not like  fully prepared  experimental facility.,
The weight  measured  was  using  scale that was tragically inaccurate.   I can buy similar one  in supply store for American elementary school.

Note: yes I don't have chromatography  analyses at present time  but that is like go around the corner to the  Hunter College and ask
a professor for help.

Wesley
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Re: Ultrasonic / mechanical cavitation used to transmute matter
« Reply #16 on: September 23, 2020, 08:31:18 PM »
Wesley Thank you for commenting and Hunter mention [My Mom went to school there for short time till life changed plans and geography] :)
Will be a few days till things get sorted,
respectfully Chet


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Re: Ultrasonic / mechanical cavitation used to transmute matter
« Reply #17 on: September 23, 2020, 10:11:28 PM »
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Equipment needed to  provide  full proof of experiment  made by Fabio Carzone
1. EDXRF picture #1
link1.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQ3gPFfgDp8

link2. https://youtu.be/k2PJVIkyW5Y   
all of the equipment shown here  can be applied to  measurement of  radiation, especially  Neutron and Gamma.
link3.  https://youtu.be/GdlkeI0bXy4?t=211
Video presents ORTEC  Detective EX ( many of them)
the new one cost around $93 000
And software  Gammavision32 ~$4000
However there are  inexpensive devices giving you similar results for ~1000 dollars
Video starts not from the beginning - you can rewind it


 
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Re: Ultrasonic / mechanical cavitation used to transmute matter
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Re: Ultrasonic / mechanical cavitation used to transmute matter
« Reply #18 on: September 23, 2020, 10:36:57 PM »
Before start with the mockery and the name calling, please at least have the courtesy of reading the papers, where all the technologies and the laboratories that performed the analysis on the solid obtained from mercury are listed extensively, and also all elements known or found to be part of the experimental setup and instruments were discarded as potential results of transmutation. The first and last papers are freely available online, the other Can be retrieved using a very known page, but I got a copy by asking for it to the researchers through ResearchGate.


 The video is just a quick demonstrative exercise, nothing more, nothing less, and you are “cherry picking” it for making a mockery of this serious and interesting research.


There is also a recent exposition of the whole line of Research that was presented in a small event held in Asissi, Italy by GianLuca Cherubini, where he discusses the whole line of research since it’s origins to the more current results. It’s in Italian but it can be watched with auto subtitles.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G2IL4vvhjfk


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Re: Ultrasonic / mechanical cavitation used to transmute matter
« Reply #19 on: September 23, 2020, 11:56:10 PM »
RESPONSE#3

Purpose of this debate  is not to prove anyone wrong but to  take all possible sources to create in a mind of the reader  credible or  at least  clear picture of reality seen from science perspective:
One of opinions is that:
Whenever "some" Russians put their nose  into science we may expect
-corruption,
-lies,
-deformation
-and falsification of the official science.
-or just  pure form of unrestricted banditism if allowed.

-and  Fabio Cardone is taking  Russian  statements  for granted.

What the foolishness


example :
Russians 1 month ago  poisoned  Alelsey Navalnyi with forbidden Russian NOVICHIOK
the military  Nerve Agent :ethyl N-[(1E)-1-(diethylamino)ethylidene]-phosphoramidofluoridate
Official Russian Science  said that  there was no reason  to believe and no prove that such substance was used as they
didn't find anything   from that what was found by independent German, British, French  analysis.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-234_(nerve_agent)
https://military.wikia.org/wiki/Novichok_agent
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_of_Alexei_Navalny


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So what about Italian cooperation with Russians and Italian revelations:
here is few facts( the rest  I'll add later.

From Wesley:
I must agree that  your opinion about subject matter Dr Roy is  quite convincing.
However Transmutation mentioned  in  Cardone paper is not stating a firm  piezonuclear  reaction  but is suggesting a possible one.

in this case we are not taking as an example Mercury but Thorium:

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quote :
We show that cavitation of a solution of thorium-228 in water induces its transformation at a rate 1
04 times faster than the natural radioactive decay would do. This result agrees with the alteration
of the secular equilibrium of thorium-234 obtained by a Russian team via explosion of titanium foils in water and solutions.
These evidences further support some preliminary clues for the possibility of
piezonuclear reactions (namely nuclear reactions induced by pressure waves) obtained in the last ten years.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/222763261_Piezonuclear_decay_of_thorium
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I also must agree that I didn't find yet  any other paper but Fabio Cardone in this area.
 but I found  criticism of  Fabio Cardone revelations.
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Re: Ultrasonic / mechanical cavitation used to transmute matter
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Re: Ultrasonic / mechanical cavitation used to transmute matter
« Reply #20 on: September 24, 2020, 12:02:19 AM »

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« Reply #21 on: September 24, 2020, 12:05:49 AM »
RESPONSE#5
Fight who is wrong and who  is Right :

AbstractCardone et al. [F. Cardone, R. Mignani, A. Petrucci, Phys. Lett. A 373 (2009) 1956] claim that cavitation speeds up radioactive
decay of 228Th dissolved in water.
The experimental evidence they presented was criticized by Ericsson et al. [G. Ericsson, S. Pomp, H. Sjöstrand,
E. Traneus, Phys. Lett. A 373 (2009) 3795].
This Comment focuses on a presumably-ignored trivial effect that might be responsible for the reported
experimental results. It also contains suggestions for improving the quality of future investigations.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0375960109014893
https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0907/0907.0623.pdf
more  here:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/45872090_Comments_on_the_Reply_to_'Comment_on_Piezonuclear_decay_of_thorium_Phys_Lett_A_373_2009_1956'_Phys_Lett_A_2009_in_press_Phys_Lett_A_2009_in_press_by_F_Cardone_et_al
https://arxiv.org/abs/0910.2368

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Re: Ultrasonic / mechanical cavitation used to transmute matter
« Reply #22 on: September 24, 2020, 12:07:34 AM »
RESPONSE#6
in response to that criticism  Cardone team  replied:
  Reply to “Comment on ‘Piezonuclear decay of thorium’ [Phys. Lett. A 373 (2009) 1956]” [Phys. Lett. A 373 (2009) 3795]    Cardone, Fabio;
 Mignani, Roberto;
 Petrucci, Andrea
  Abstract In a paper appearing in this issue of Physics Letters A, Ericsson et al. raise some critical comments on the experiment [F.
Cardone, R. Mignani, A. Petrucci, Phys. Lett. A 373 (2009) 1956] we carried out by cavitating a solution of thorium-228,
which evidenced its anomalous decay behaviour, thus confirming the results previously obtained by Urutskoev et al.
by explosion of titanium foils in solutions. In this Letter, we reply to these comments. In our opinion, the main shortcomings of the
criticism by the Swedish authors are due to their omitting of inserting our experiment in the wider research stream of piezonuclear
reactions, and to the statistical analysis they used, which does not comply with the rules generally accepted for samples with small
numbers. However, apart from any possible theoretical speculation, there is the basic fact that two different experiments (ours and
that by Urutskoev et al.), carried out independently and by different means, highlight an analogous anomaly in the decay of thorium
subjected to pressure waves. Such a convergence of results shows that it is worth to further carry on experimental investigations,
in order to get either a confirmation or a disproof of the induced-pressure anomalous behaviour of radioactive nuclides even different from thorium.
https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0907/0907.0623.pdf
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Re: Ultrasonic / mechanical cavitation used to transmute matter
« Reply #23 on: September 24, 2020, 12:12:44 AM »
RESPONSE#7
MIT
Massachusetts Institute of Technology:




https://www.technologyreview.com/2009/07/07/211779/can-pressure-waves-speed-up-nuclear-decay/
UncategorizedCan Pressure Waves Speed Up Nuclear Decay?If cavitation can speed up the decay of nuclei in solution, we’ve yet to see good evidence for it.by Emerging Technology from the arXiv archive page
July 7, 2009Is it possible to speed up radioactive decay by squeezing atoms?
In the last few months, Fabio Cardone, at the Institute of Nanostructured Materials, in Rome, Italy, and a few pals have posted on the arXiv a growing body of evidence that it is.

In March, Cardone and co reported an increase in neutron emissions when crushing marble and granite.
Their conjecture is that the crushing causes the piezonuclear fission of iron atoms into two aluminum nuclei emitting two neutrons.
But our focus today is a paper published in February, in which the team reported that cavitation–the generation and collapse of tiny
 bubbles in a liquid using pressure waves–causes the rate of decay of thorium-228  in solution to increase 1,000 times.
I guess it’s not entirely beyond belief that cavitation could have an effect on the nuclei of atoms in solution.
Cavitation is known to generate huge pressures and temperatures. By some theories, the energy released in this process is
close to that needed for fusion. But it’s fair to say that the current consensus is that there is no good evidence that this line has been crossed in practice.
Nevertheless, Cardone’s claims are interesting, and his paper was published in Physics Letters A earlier this year.
Today, however, Stephan Pomp and pals from Uppsala University, in Sweden, cast some doubt on the result and the methods used by the Cardone team in the Physics Letters A paper. 
They point out that the Cardone claim is extraordinary given the body of evidence gathered over the past 100 years about nuclear decay. Such an extraordinary claim should be backed by extraordinary evidence.
“We find that such evidence is missing in this paper and it even seems that methodological mistakes have been made,” they say.
Thorium decays by emitting alpha particles. Pomp and pals say that Cardone and co placed their detector underneath the glass vessel containing the thorium solution.
“We note that the range of the emitted particles in glass is in the order of tens of micrometers and that it thus would be impossible for particles … to penetrate the vessel.”
They suggest a number of tests that Cardone and co can do to strengthen their results, such as measuring the background counts when the vessel is empty or filled with pure water in which cavitation is taking place.
It’ll be interesting to see the Cardone team’s reply to these criticisms; perhaps they’ll be able to answer each point made by Pomp and pals.
In the meantime, the question still stands: can pressure waves accelerate nuclear decay? Not on the evidence presented by Cardone and co so far.

Ref:

arxiv.org/abs/0903.3104 : Piezonuclear Neutrons from Fracturing of Inert Solids

arxiv.org/abs/0710.5177: Speeding Up Thorium Decay

arxiv.org/abs/0907.0623: Comments on “Piezonuclear Decay of Thorium” by F.

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Re: Ultrasonic / mechanical cavitation used to transmute matter
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Re: Ultrasonic / mechanical cavitation used to transmute matter
« Reply #24 on: September 24, 2020, 12:15:03 AM »
RESPONSE#8

The previous paper from 2012 of Alberto Carpinteri is taking on all together  the:
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CAVITATION OF LIQUID SOLUTIONS
FRACTURE OF INERT AND NON-RADIOACTIVE SOLIDS
https://staff.polito.it/alberto.carpinteri/piezonuclear%20reactions%20conference/4maggio2012.pdf



(piezo)nuclear reactions in fracture and in the Italian press! in 2012
  (https://ci5.googleusercontent.com/proxy/wEJrcuivSjP-N5x4bOQxYJupMszf9ue
3RiKH8pbBfQ3UFU0Ea4LDA28QdKngotwPsShtm_wc1gNQGw53pIYsPvJLMTDO5y1
3jg=s0-d-e1-ft#https://imechanica.org/files/pictures/picture-1020.gif)
   

Sun, 2012-06-17 06:48 - Mike Ciavarella
The research appears in effect controversial, and alongside previous research on sonofusion for example by
Rusi Taleyarkhan whom Carpinteri cites in his paper, despite it is well known that "
He was judged guilty of research misconduct for "falsification of the research record" by a Purdue review board in July, 2008.[2
https://imechanica.org/node/12621

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Re: Ultrasonic / mechanical cavitation used to transmute matter
« Reply #25 on: September 24, 2020, 12:25:34 AM »
You are again "cherry picking" the research papers, you have not adressed, at all, the most important results, those of the transmutation of Mercury.
I am very aware of the controversy that Cardone and others have faced.

The thorium decay was adressed by Cardone in several manners, but they have published recently three papers on the reduction of radiocativity of Ni63.

You insist in finding the evidence that supports your biased assertion that there's no way that Cardone et al might have found something real, you prefer to discredit their characters and cherry pick the results that have stirred the most controversy, but you say absolutely nothing about the VERY STRONG published results of their experiments in Mercury.
That says much more about your motivations than about their research.

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« Reply #26 on: September 24, 2020, 12:28:08 AM »
You are also, in passing, trying to smudge Talerkhayan, who has been relatively recently (2019), vindicated.

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« Reply #27 on: September 24, 2020, 12:46:42 AM »
RESPONSE#9

You insist in finding the evidence that supports your biased assertion that there's no way that Cardone et al might have found something real,
No my friend .
I'm not against any revelations,  and definitelly not against Prof. Cardone

You not reading  what I wrote:
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RESPONSE#3
Purpose of this debate  is not to prove anyone wrong but to  take all
possible sources to create in a mind of the reader  credible or  at least 
clear picture of reality seen from a science perspective:
https://overunity.com/18632/ultrasonic-mechanical-cavitation-used-to-transmute-matter/msg550955/#msg550955


Please provide  your own  answer/ opinion  - to  the doubts and criticism of the cited papers proving them wrong, mutually opposed or inconsistent ( contradictory) or invalid.

Wesley

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Re: Ultrasonic / mechanical cavitation used to transmute matter
« Reply #28 on: September 27, 2020, 05:03:03 PM »
I believe the copper wire in my Spiral Quadfilar Toroid coil transmuted to selenium. The coil was Radio Shack speaker wire; All copper. After repeated very high speed Neo magnet sphere run ups, the wire turned dull silver in color and tougher to bend, more brittle. I really believe the quantum magnetic forces that caused the magnet sphere to actually gain several grams in weight while spinning, caused a transmutation of the copper metal wire!

I should have measured the weight of the coil before and after the run up. The coil probably gained weight along with the Neo magnet! Electrons were probably added to the copper's atomic shell. I can still compare the weights but it's obvious the metal is completely different just from sight and touch!

This process could be potentially catastrophic for the International commodities market. I believe different frequencies and materials may possibly transmute baser metal wire to gold or platinum.

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« Reply #29 on: September 27, 2020, 06:21:20 PM »
I am recovering the coil from storage for melting point testing. The relativistic theory used tp explain the weight gain can more easily explain the apparent change in metal, from lighter to heavier element.

I plan to tweet Jeffery Bezos if scientific testing confirms the element transmutaion. I was part of G.K. O'Neil's Princeton group and share Jeff's vision.

Ultimately a materials construction technology may include seamless element transition 3d printing.

 

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