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## Mechanical free energy devices => mechanic => Topic started by: Lunkster on September 15, 2020, 07:12:17 AM

Title: Three Layer Disk Magnetic Motor
Post by: Lunkster on September 15, 2020, 07:12:17 AM
This motor design uses torque from three permanent magnets to one electromagnet during the function of this motor design.  The electromagnets operate at a 25% duty cycle.  The rotor is divided up into different segments of travel because the stator assemblies are being reconfigured as the rotor is rotating in the motor.  The rotor will interact with magnets on the stator while the power is off to all of the electromagnets.  After that movement is done, then every other electromagnet is turned on for the next segment of travel again.  THe power to all the electromagnets are turned off again.  The permanent magnet in the rotor now interacts with the stator permanent magnet to move the rotor another segment of travel.  After the rotor has moved another segment of travel, the electromagnets that had been off during the second segment of travel are now turned on to move another segment of travel.  So now the rotor moves through the forth segment of travel.  This sequence is repeated over and over again.
So this motor was designed to be operated with a TANK circuit or other highly efficient circuit that reuses the back EMF created in the electromagnets.   THe electromagnets need to be closer to the rotor magnets than the stator permanent magnets, so that when the power is applied to the electromagnets, the force from them has greater attraction to the rotor magnets than the permanent magnets on the stator assemblies.
Now having torque at a ratio of three to one from permanent magnets along with electrical circuits that can recover some of the electrical energy used in the electromagnets may be over 100 percent efficient.  But without the motor and the electrical circuit built and tested, we may never know.  At my age and limited abilities and resources, I most likely will not be building them.  THat is why they are free to the world to have them.

The Lunkster
Title: Re: Three Layer Disk Magnetic Motor
Post by: stiplanet on September 15, 2020, 09:30:38 PM
hello thanks for the sharing  I want to try to build it. if you will assist me in the construction.
best regard
Title: Re: Three Layer Disk Magnetic Motor
Post by: Lunkster on September 16, 2020, 12:05:24 AM
hello thanks for the sharing  I want to try to build it. if you will assist me in the construction.
best regard
That would be great.  How can I assist you in the construction?
I started to build this motor several years ago using a wood frame.  Big mistake because the wood warped.
I was building the stator in two disk's instead of one so that the electromagnets were on one disk and the permanent magnets were on the other disk.  In this way I could adjust the distance the electromagnets were from the rotor assembly separate from the distance of the permanent magnets of the stator assembly to the rotor magnets.  This way I would be able to optimize the design.  I was going to use air core electromagnets so that the core material would not be attracted to the permanent magnets during the operation of the motor.
I gave Apparently.com a PDF copy of revision one of my book "A free gift that may be over unity or free energy to the world"  More details about the motor is in that book.  I am now up to rev 3 in the book because I added a lot of things since rev. one.  Five times every three months, I am able to give away free kindle versions of the book if you are interested.  Otherwise I will be glad to help out anyway I can.

The Lunkster.

Title: Re: Three Layer Disk Magnetic Motor
Post by: Lunkster on September 16, 2020, 04:59:50 AM
hello thanks for the sharing  I want to try to build it. if you will assist me in the construction.
best regard

The best approach to build this motor and have success with it is to build the prototype with some adjustability into it.  Then optimization can be gained with it.
The drawing is close to the prototype I started to build.  I was building one out of larger pieces of plywood.  I left the wood with the magnets cemented into them in the garage over winter.  The boards warped and I put them into a fire pit and the magnets lost their magnetism.  That was because at the time, we started living in our RV full time and I did not have room for them in the RV.

Again thank you for the interest in building one.

The Lunkster
Title: Re: Three Layer Disk Magnetic Motor
Post by: lota on September 16, 2020, 07:44:58 AM
Hello
Interesting. The rotor has no elktro magnets. Why the contacts? Is it possible to use square magnets? I would be able to build that. How many windings would the electromagnets have. The book would also intrilate me.
Greeting
Lota
Title: Re: Three Layer Disk Magnetic Motor
Post by: Lunkster on September 16, 2020, 03:55:44 PM
Hello
Interesting. The rotor has no elktro magnets. Why the contacts? Is it possible to use square magnets? I would be able to build that. How many windings would the electromagnets have. The book would also intrilate me.
Greeting
Lota

I show the electrical contacts because even though there are no electromagnets on the rotor, the electromagnets operate at a 25% duty cycle.  Half of the electromagnets are on a different timing schedule.  So it is only for signal purposes in the circuit.  Reed switching or optical switching are other options.  Both of them need a mechanical way of signaling the position of the electromagnet set needing to be energized.
Yes square electromagnets would likely work.  THe shapes and size of both the electromagnets and permanent magnet can be played with.  The way I drew it was to get the most power out of the design.  Other shapes will work, but it may be at the expense of the motors efficiencies and performance level.
Another note is the drawing says imbedded electromagnets.  This is also just a suggestion.  One way to make this assembly is using two plates cut so there is a solid backing behind the electromagnets.  The second plate could be cut so there is a ring on the top side and a ring on the inside of the electromagnets and permanent magnet holes.  I just think extra strength in the disks is important.  WHen I built a different prototype design using 21 inch disks, the permanent magnets were so strong in the interactions between the rotor and stator assembly, that there was a lot of warping in and out of the disk with rotation.  One part of my thinking is to use aluminum plates, but I have read that eddie currents occur during the rotation.  SO maybe someone else may have a better idea of the materials that should be used for the motor. As for the hardware I used aluminum threaded rod cut to size and double aluminum nuts.

As far as the electromagnets number of windings go, You need to have the power of the electromagnets to match the power of the permanent magnets.
If custom electromagnets are built, then the gauge of the wire along with the wire length and the number of turns need to go into the calculations.  I am not the person to answer this question.  I am sure there are other people who can answer that question.

The Lunkster

Title: Re: Three Layer Disk Magnetic Motor
Post by: stiplanet on September 16, 2020, 09:22:47 PM
thank you The Lunkster, like I said I want to try, build if you will assist me, I have a 3D printer, neo magnet and copper wire, I also have a mechanical lathe at my disposal . I will be interested in your book, if you can give me a clearer diagram, and all stages of the construction starting with the first part to build.
best regard sti
Title: Re: Three Layer Disk Magnetic Motor
Post by: Lunkster on September 17, 2020, 07:42:38 PM
thank you The Lunkster, like I said I want to try, build if you will assist me, I have a 3D printer, neo magnet and copper wire, I also have a mechanical lathe at my disposal . I will be interested in your book, if you can give me a clearer diagram, and all stages of the construction starting with the first part to build.
best regard sti

I will work on putting together a parts list and drawings of the sub-assemblies of how I would build the prototype if I were to build it today.
This will take me a little while.  I want to use as many current parts on the market and reduce the custom parts as much as I can.
This can take a lot of on-line searching, but it will be well worth it in the long run.

Lunkster
Title: Re: Three Layer Disk Magnetic Motor
Post by: stiplanet on September 18, 2020, 09:13:49 PM
OK thanks for sharing I'll wait when you're ready
Title: Re: Three Layer Disk Magnetic Motor
Post by: Lunkster on September 24, 2020, 02:51:29 AM
I am filling the request for a parts list with more information.

As I was putting together this list and assembly notes, I improved upon the design by using many off the shelf parts to build it.

I incorporated reed switches to indicate the location of the rotor for both electromagnet circuits that operate at a 25% duty cycle on a different switching schedule from each other.  The location of these switches can be moved around in order to optimize the performance of the motor during the operation of it.

I have improved the adjustable Stator permanent magnet plate assemblies for there location in relationship to the rotor permanent magnet disk in order to optimize the motor performance through adjust and test sequencing.

The motor is inclosed for safety and structural integrity.  The front panel can be hinged for access to the inside of the motor.

I had the goal of these attached files of allowing other hobbyist like me to be able to build it with minimal machining tools.

Lunkster

Title: Re: Three Layer Disk Magnetic Motor
Post by: Lunkster on September 25, 2020, 04:33:27 AM
Since I have placed the drawings for the "Three Layer Disk Motor" build,  I was trouble with the idea that someone could build it and have it built wrong.  With the reed switches being used in the switching and the reed switches needing to be 45 degrees apart from each other, then in order to have both switching position happen on one side rather than one of them at the corners, then the magnets would need to be moved over one position. Now the opening place for the reed switches could be expanded into the switch area.
Since the rotor moves in a clockwise direction in relationship with the stator assembly on one side and the counter-wise direction on the other side, great care needs to be taken in the motors build.  The good part is once you get it correct, you do not have to do it again on the motor.

Lunkster
Title: Re: Three Layer Disk Magnetic Motor
Post by: Lunkster on September 26, 2020, 04:04:31 AM
The is a multi-layer disk version of the Three Layer Disk Motor

This is more of an industrial design that has many times the power than the single disk motor because it has five diska in it.
The overall size is not much bigger than the single disk prototype motor.  Of course the single disk prototype needs to be built and optimized before building one of these motors.

I like to dream of the possibilities of motor designs ahead of time.

Lunkster
Title: Re: Three Layer Disk Magnetic Motor
Post by: Lunkster on September 28, 2020, 10:08:06 PM
A simple power control circuit to use on the Three Layer Disk Motor:

The attached drawing shows how simple the power circuit can be in order to operate this motor.
You do not need a computer or a microprocessor in order to control the different stages of operation this motor requires to operate it.
This motor and circuitry can be built without a high tech. machine shop.
This motor and circuitry is now in a easy format that I might even build one.

Lunkster
Title: Re: Three Layer Disk Magnetic Motor
Post by: Lunkster on September 29, 2020, 06:58:01 PM
The attached drawing is a simple circuit that captures the back emf to use it again in the two electromagnetic circuits without the use of computers or microcontrollers.
The reed switches have enough information in order to make the tank circuit with steering diodes work with this motor at several operating conditions.
There might be a need to add a push button switch to start the the motor for a few seconds.  Testing will indicate if that is needed.  The way that the switches will be connected for start up is to connect the power supply directly to the capacitor.
When using the tank circuit, four reed switches are needed in order to provide enough information to run the tank circuit at an optimal function.

Make sure you doublecheck the logic of the circuit before b uilding it.  I have never built one so there could be a flaw in it.

Lunkster
Title: Re: Three Layer Disk Magnetic Motor
Post by: Lunkster on September 30, 2020, 12:24:11 PM

Note:  These parts are easy to use for the person that does not have an in depth knowledge of electronics.
If you can put a circuit with FETs and other components that will perform the same function at a cheaper cost, then please do that for me.

Sorry

Lunkster
Title: Re: Three Layer Disk Magnetic Motor
Post by: Lunkster on October 01, 2020, 05:28:28 AM
When working with new technologies, it can take a little bit of thought process in order to have an understanding of how it functions.

I have another drawing with detail of what is happening with the logic of the circuit.

The motor has two electromagnet circuits operating at a 25% duty cycle.  They turn on and off on a different timing schedule from each other.
I show only one timing cycle for one circuit in the drawing.  THe other circuit would be the same with the reed switches in a different location for their timing cycle.

Lunkster