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Offline nix85

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Another failed project
« on: August 31, 2020, 02:57:01 PM »
so, last year and a month i been working on this generator. it's two rotors each 6 neodymiums, all north inward. stator in the middle is air core square toroid around 30cm diameter with 9cm hole. there is 200m of 1.4mm copper wire, 400 turns overall, tesla bifilar wound. actually there are 6 coils but i later connected them all in series, so 1.

idea was (and still stands) that since the field of the toroid is contained inside and is at 90° to field of the magnets, there should be no lenz. this idea was tried before and lenz was not canceled but they used ferrite cores.

http://www.energeticforum.com/forum/energetic-forum-discussion/renewable-energy/7086-generator-with-lenz-less-toroidal-stator

i been waiting for a box for it to test it for 6 months now, yesterday i went to try it roughly just spinning the rotors very close to the toroid without box/mount. i gave it a good initial spin which would correspond to maybe 100rpm and voltage i saw was 0.01V and i knew instantly that my biggest fear came true.

i knew coils are usually at least 230 turns PER COIL and number of coils in series, but i thought all wires are "on surface", it's bifilar wound, and i'll compensate with speed...but f**k. complete failure and lesson learned.

i don't even feel like testing when box comes but i at least got parts to experiment with some other design in the future.

right now i only regret the "wasted time", altho that is relative cause you always learn more.

before this i replicated thomas engel motor https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBRDvwrFwVo

it was also a collosal work, multi year project, with lots of money and wrong parts (first box was ~2cm thick aluminum, it was extremely heavy and i did not forsee the eddy current drag on the box back then). then i got the wood box, i think energy was somewhat amplified on the big wheel besides inertia but not much and motor overheated and burned at first trial.

one could easily get desperate and hate god after failed projects like this but isn't free energy another name for failure and there are few that got it just right in the ocean of people like me who still have not.

it's a delicate thing. why all/most replications fail.

i am now thinking solar, but i will keep persuing. i am thinking along lines of kunel, solid state, or normal axial coils and try to cancel lenz with iron and magnets placed in/around the coils.

we'll see

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Another failed project
« on: August 31, 2020, 02:57:01 PM »

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Re: Another failed project
« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2020, 10:41:42 PM »
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one could easily get desperate and hate god after failed projects like this but isn't free energy another name for failure and there are few that got it just right in the ocean of people like me who still have not.

it's a delicate thing. why all/most replications fail.

I know the feeling and I had many failed projects as well but I didn't get desperate and hate HORNY the only one true unicorn god after my failed projects. However I'm not hear to talk about religion, even if HORNY is the only true god but about my failures at free energy. HORNY say's we should keep an open mind about free energy but not her and look to nature, which she created from nothing by the way. But I'm not here to talk about HORNY, so after I failed at free energy I got thinking about nature. How mankind worships imaginary constructs, but not HORNY, like money, power, politics, nationalism and such. However nature is infinite, like HORNY, and beyond mankind because it has had billions of years to evolve, more in HORNY's case.

So many of us have been down this road and thank HORNY were finally beginning to see the light at the end of the tunnel. It just takes dedication and perseverance and we should always keep an open mind, kind of but not really.

May HORNY bless you all, stay safe, take care, bundle up, pull up your socks, wear a mask but not a real mask that's lame, lol.

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Re: Another failed project
« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2020, 10:44:28 PM »
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Re: Another failed project
« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2020, 12:37:02 AM »
..which she created from nothing

yea, overall energy in the creation is 0.

i did get depressed for few hours yesterday ofc after all the time and money 'wasted' into failed project. but like i said it's all part of learning. sometimes we are impatient cause this life is too short and then we convice ourselves we should've alredy been blessed with things like this, but it doesn't work like that in practice. we must earn things and be ready to receive before they are granted.

i never doubted fe for a moment. magnetic field which is earth's etheric currents is a source of energy, one of. so many ways to do it. i have no doubt if i continue to play with it in any particular direction, be it kunel or lenzless alternator or any, that i will crack it at one point. if any fe was a goal, i would pursue that flywheel thing, that has most succesfull replications. just put a big flywheel on the alternator shaft, spin it to speed with smaller motor and there is your fe. ofc not all get even that right, but many do. but is that elegant, is that how you imagine fe. comparing that to some solid state system like figuera or kunel is like comparing a horse carriage to a mothership.

it's just that it's a delicate thing, needs precision, geometry or timing.

on the other hand, get few solar panels and there is your fe, 3.5x3.5 meters and you can get 2.5kw out of it, that's a lot for not that big surface and prices of panels and inverters are going down.

i got other goals i want to pursue in the field of forbidden science so as far as energy goes i'm looking at the sun right now.

tnx for comforting words and heil the unicorn

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Re: Another failed project
« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2020, 01:44:14 AM »

yea, overall energy in the creation is 0.

i did get depressed for few hours yesterday ofc after all the time and money 'wasted' into failed project. but like i said it's all part of learning. sometimes we are impatient cause this life is too short and then we convice ourselves we should've alredy been blessed with things like this, but it doesn't work like that in practice. we must earn things and be ready to receive before they are granted.

i never doubted fe for a moment. magnetic field which is earth's etheric currents is a source of energy, one of. so many ways to do it. i have no doubt if i continue to play with it in any particular direction, be it kunel or lenzless alternator or any, that i will crack it at one point. if any fe was a goal, i would pursue that flywheel thing, that has most succesfull replications. just put a big flywheel on the alternator shaft, spin it to speed with smaller motor and there is your fe. ofc not all get even that right, but many do. but is that elegant, is that how you imagine fe. comparing that to some solid state system like figuera or kunel is like comparing a horse carriage to a mothership.

it's just that it's a delicate thing, needs precision, geometry or timing.

on the other hand, get few solar panels and there is your fe, 3.5x3.5 meters and you can get 2.5kw out of it, that's a lot for not that big surface and prices of panels and inverters are going down.

i got other goals i want to pursue in the field of forbidden science so as far as energy goes i'm looking at the sun right now.

tnx for comforting words and heil the unicorn

Hi,
When experimenting takes place it often is just a case of learning what doesn't work.
Keep it simple and cheap.

I built a Bedini type device and decided it was the interaction of two windings that gave a good effect. A separate two winding inductor was used to fire a pulse back with more current in one winding than the other and the motor sped up as the input voltage on a capacitor increased. First the windings in the coil were used to attract the magnet on the rotor and then the reverse pulse in one winding to repel. It had to be switched off because the voltage was getting to high on a capacitor and the sped was making bad vibration. The current from the power supply was unchanged between two configurations.

The transformer action only sees wire resistance when currents are maximum with no flux in the core.
A transformer is more efficient than an ordinary single stator coil and a magnetic field crossing it.
There is a much smaller magnetic field in a two winding transformer with a load.

80watt 50Hz  240v transformer only has about 0.032watt DC power equivalent in the flux. That is 1/2500th of the power.

The problems occur when AC is used. Voltage needs to be stored and then dumped to make the transition from one side of the sine wave or +ve to -neg. A bit like the Tesla coil spark gap. A triac can be used up to 100 or perhaps 200 pulses per second.
There is always some residual magnetism left and this is where the loss is and voltage is needed.
The sine wave is like positive DC and negative DC.  There is some though and design to make the excursion from one to the other.

All the best,

Allan

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Re: Another failed project
« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2020, 02:16:55 AM »
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The transformer action only sees wire resistance when currents are maximum with no flux in the core

Actually, copper losses happen in a transformer even when secondary is open. Here is more about it. I quote a guy from Quora (i think)

A transformer with open secondary is just an inductor. The concept of backEMF makes no sense here. What will happen is the current will lag the voltage by 90° in the ideal case. Power delivered to the inductor is current times voltage. Note that this averages to 0 over any whole cycle when the current and voltage are sines with 90° phase shift between them. Energy is put into the inductor during half the cycle, then given back during the other half. The average power transfer is 0. The energy that is absorbed and then given back is temporarily stored in the magnetic field of the transformer core. In reality, the inductor will not be purely inductive, but will also appear to have some resistance in series with its inductance. That resistance is the DC resistance of the wire the primary coil is made from. That resistance will dissipate power proportional to the square of the current thru it. In a "good" transformer or inductor, this resistance is small compared to the impedance due to the inductance over the frequency range the device is intended to work. Looking at the voltage and current, the current will lag the voltage a little less than 90° due to this resistance. The average of the voltage x current over a whole cycle is now a little positive, which is the energy dissipated by the resistance each cycle. Getting even closer to reality, there will also be some loss in storing then retrieving magnetic energy to/from the transformer core each cycle. This will also appear as a resistive component electrically. The resistance will appear in parallel with the primary inductance. Both together are in series with the DC resistance of the coil.

When a load is connected to the secondary, it looks a lot like the core gets more lossy to the circuit driving the primary. The primary looks more resistive (which means voltage and current are now more in-phase), which accounts for the higher power it now draws at the same voltage.

Like the core loss resistance, this additional resistance appears in parallel with the inductance of the primary, from the point of view of the circuit driving the primary. In a ideal transformer with ideal load, the secondary removes energy from the magnetic core exactly as the primary tries to put it there. The result is the primary current is now in phase with its voltage, and therefore looks purely resistive. This of course never happens exactly because there are always inevitable losses.

In the ideal case, a transformer primary looks like whatever impedance is connected to the secondary, divided by the square of the turns ratio. For example, let's saya transformer has a 1:3 turns ratio. You put 12 VAC into the primary, and ideally get 36V out of thesecondary. If there is 10 Ω on the secondary, then it is delivering (36V)/10Ω = 130W. This has to go into the primary, which means the primary current is 130W/12V = 10.8A, which means the primary look slike a 12V/10.8A = 1.11 Ω resistor. Note that 1.11Ω / 10Ω = 1/9, which is the square of the turns ratio.

if you're into bedini you can also consider these approaches

charles flynn patent

https://patents.google.com/patent/US5254925A/en

spiral iron rotor rotates by itself untill it's closest to the PM, then coil around PM neutralizes it and rotation continues with energy gain

and magnetic wankel engine

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Re: Another failed project
« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2020, 03:01:51 AM »
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tnx for comforting words and heil the unicorn

Thank you for the kind response, I meant no offense and my post was supposed to be sarcastic humor to make people think about our perspective.

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i did get depressed for few hours yesterday ofc after all the time and money 'wasted' into failed project. but like i said it's all part of learning. sometimes we are impatient cause this life is too short and then we convice ourselves we should've alredy been blessed with things like this, but it doesn't work like that in practice. we must earn things and be ready to receive before they are granted.

That's the only kind of attitude we FE researchers can have in my opinion and it's a long hard haul any way we look at it. The learning curve is simply ridiculous and we have to be inventors, engineers, scientists, physicists, fabricators, electricians and have any other number of skills just to move forward.

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I never doubted fe for a moment. magnetic field which is earth's etheric currents is a source of energy, one of. so many ways to do it. i have no doubt if i continue to play with it in any particular direction, be it kunel or lenzless alternator or any, that i will crack it at one point. if any fe was a goal, i would pursue that flywheel thing, that has most succesfull replications. just put a big flywheel on the alternator shaft, spin it to speed with smaller motor and there is your fe. ofc not all get even that right, but many do. but is that elegant, is that how you imagine fe. comparing that to some solid state system like figuera or kunel is like comparing a horse carriage to a mothership.

I followed your links and looked at them. That Lenz free generator looks like an insane amount of work and a tough nut to crack. Have you looked at the Adam's motor generator?. Not the nonsense on the net but Adam's original patents and literature?. It's the simplest and most affordable device to get the results your looking for in my opinion.

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it's just that it's a delicate thing, needs precision, geometry or timing.
On the other hand, get few solar panels and there is your fe, 3.5x3.5 meters and you can get 2.5kw out of it, that's a lot for not that big surface and prices of panels and inverters are going down.

That is also a very good attitude in my opinion and we shouldn't get to hung up on one technology. Energy is energy, so if solar is cheaper and faster than years of research with little positive results then why not try it. We could always look at ways to enhance our output down the line as well. It's important to understand energy can take many forms and it is more affordable energy we are after. In fact an approved grid tie solar system is the easiest way to sneak FE into the grid under the radar if you know what I mean. Nobody notices a little extra energy here or there however a house lit up with no grid connection is a problem.

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I got other goals i want to pursue in the field of forbidden science so as far as energy goes i'm looking at the sun right now.

In fact most all the energy we know of is born in stars like our Sun. There are supposedly over one billion trillion of them that we know of and all elements larger than H and He are born from stars. We are made of the stuff from stars as is our planet and everything we know. Free Energy also comes from stars and it's energy pervades every place and every space within it. T.H.Moray explains all this stuff much better than I ever could and one would do well to read his work.

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Re: Another failed project
« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2020, 03:31:39 AM »
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Thank you for the kind response

you're most welcome

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I followed your links and looked at them. That Lenz free generator looks like an insane amount of work and a tough nut to crack. Have you looked at the Adam's motor generator?. Not the nonsense on the net but Adam's original patents and literature?. It's the simplest and most affordable device to get the results your looking for in my opinion.

yes i did, in pj kelly's book and videos. not my favorite approach but interesting. i see my future research mostly in direction of kunel and alike (mark's tpu etc).

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In fact most all the energy we know of is born in stars like our Sun. There are supposedly over one billion trillion of them that we know of and all elements larger than H and He are born from stars. We are made of the stuff from stars as is our planet and everything we know. Free Energy also comes from stars and it's energy pervades every place and every space within it. T.H.Moray explains all this stuff much better than I ever could and one would do well to read his work.

Best Regards

indeed, mostly all energy to earth comes from our sun, it is the local CONVERTER of radiant energy. i talked about that elesewhere, that light and heat are created locally in the atmospheres of the planets when what i prefer to call high etheric energy or neutral, non polarized energy slows down, and when BUBBLES of similar size join we get polarized energy we know as light and heat. bubbles of various sizes produce varying wavelengths (see zirbes for more).

this etheric pressure of which sun is the closest source radiates from all stars and galaxy centers and this is what we perceive as "gravity". this pressure reflects back into space from the planet's core, and this is the long sought "antigravity", the negative radiation usually not perceived, cause it vibrates at 1/3 higher frequency than the inward pressure. but if so called atomic speed is raised a little, matter no longer resists the slow inward pressure but starts to resist it's superimposed, faster, polar opposite. this is one of approaches to levitation, this is the cold electrcity, this is the treasure of the hail, the navaz of atlantis and this is the future of mankind's science.

as you can see gravity is my greatest passion and my main focus of pursue.

best regards

 

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