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nix85

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Another failed project
« on: August 31, 2020, 02:57:01 PM »
so, last year and a month i been working on this generator. it's two rotors each 6 neodymiums, all north inward. stator in the middle is air core square toroid around 30cm diameter with 9cm hole. there is 200m of 1.4mm copper wire, 400 turns overall, tesla bifilar wound. actually there are 6 coils but i later connected them all in series, so 1.

idea was (and still stands) that since the field of the toroid is contained inside and is at 90° to field of the magnets, there should be no lenz. this idea was tried before and lenz was not canceled but they used ferrite cores.

http://www.energeticforum.com/forum/energetic-forum-discussion/renewable-energy/7086-generator-with-lenz-less-toroidal-stator

i been waiting for a box for it to test it for 6 months now, yesterday i went to try it roughly just spinning the rotors very close to the toroid without box/mount. i gave it a good initial spin which would correspond to maybe 100rpm and voltage i saw was 0.01V and i knew instantly that my biggest fear came true.

i knew coils are usually at least 230 turns PER COIL and number of coils in series, but i thought all wires are "on surface", it's bifilar wound, and i'll compensate with speed...but f**k. complete failure and lesson learned.

i don't even feel like testing when box comes but i at least got parts to experiment with some other design in the future.

right now i only regret the "wasted time", altho that is relative cause you always learn more.

before this i replicated thomas engel motor https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBRDvwrFwVo

it was also a collosal work, multi year project, with lots of money and wrong parts (first box was ~2cm thick aluminum, it was extremely heavy and i did not forsee the eddy current drag on the box back then). then i got the wood box, i think energy was somewhat amplified on the big wheel besides inertia but not much and motor overheated and burned at first trial.

one could easily get desperate and hate god after failed projects like this but isn't free energy another name for failure and there are few that got it just right in the ocean of people like me who still have not.

it's a delicate thing. why all/most replications fail.

i am now thinking solar, but i will keep persuing. i am thinking along lines of kunel, solid state, or normal axial coils and try to cancel lenz with iron and magnets placed in/around the coils.

we'll see

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Re: Another failed project
« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2020, 10:41:42 PM »
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one could easily get desperate and hate god after failed projects like this but isn't free energy another name for failure and there are few that got it just right in the ocean of people like me who still have not.

it's a delicate thing. why all/most replications fail.

I know the feeling and I had many failed projects as well but I didn't get desperate and hate HORNY the only one true unicorn god after my failed projects. However I'm not hear to talk about religion, even if HORNY is the only true god but about my failures at free energy. HORNY say's we should keep an open mind about free energy but not her and look to nature, which she created from nothing by the way. But I'm not here to talk about HORNY, so after I failed at free energy I got thinking about nature. How mankind worships imaginary constructs, but not HORNY, like money, power, politics, nationalism and such. However nature is infinite, like HORNY, and beyond mankind because it has had billions of years to evolve, more in HORNY's case.

So many of us have been down this road and thank HORNY were finally beginning to see the light at the end of the tunnel. It just takes dedication and perseverance and we should always keep an open mind, kind of but not really.

May HORNY bless you all, stay safe, take care, bundle up, pull up your socks, wear a mask but not a real mask that's lame, lol.

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Re: Another failed project
« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2020, 10:44:28 PM »
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Re: Another failed project
« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2020, 12:37:02 AM »
..which she created from nothing

yea, overall energy in the creation is 0.

i did get depressed for few hours yesterday ofc after all the time and money 'wasted' into failed project. but like i said it's all part of learning. sometimes we are impatient cause this life is too short and then we convice ourselves we should've alredy been blessed with things like this, but it doesn't work like that in practice. we must earn things and be ready to receive before they are granted.

i never doubted fe for a moment. magnetic field which is earth's etheric currents is a source of energy, one of. so many ways to do it. i have no doubt if i continue to play with it in any particular direction, be it kunel or lenzless alternator or any, that i will crack it at one point. if any fe was a goal, i would pursue that flywheel thing, that has most succesfull replications. just put a big flywheel on the alternator shaft, spin it to speed with smaller motor and there is your fe. ofc not all get even that right, but many do. but is that elegant, is that how you imagine fe. comparing that to some solid state system like figuera or kunel is like comparing a horse carriage to a mothership.

it's just that it's a delicate thing, needs precision, geometry or timing.

on the other hand, get few solar panels and there is your fe, 3.5x3.5 meters and you can get 2.5kw out of it, that's a lot for not that big surface and prices of panels and inverters are going down.

i got other goals i want to pursue in the field of forbidden science so as far as energy goes i'm looking at the sun right now.

tnx for comforting words and heil the unicorn

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Re: Another failed project
« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2020, 01:44:14 AM »

yea, overall energy in the creation is 0.

i did get depressed for few hours yesterday ofc after all the time and money 'wasted' into failed project. but like i said it's all part of learning. sometimes we are impatient cause this life is too short and then we convice ourselves we should've alredy been blessed with things like this, but it doesn't work like that in practice. we must earn things and be ready to receive before they are granted.

i never doubted fe for a moment. magnetic field which is earth's etheric currents is a source of energy, one of. so many ways to do it. i have no doubt if i continue to play with it in any particular direction, be it kunel or lenzless alternator or any, that i will crack it at one point. if any fe was a goal, i would pursue that flywheel thing, that has most succesfull replications. just put a big flywheel on the alternator shaft, spin it to speed with smaller motor and there is your fe. ofc not all get even that right, but many do. but is that elegant, is that how you imagine fe. comparing that to some solid state system like figuera or kunel is like comparing a horse carriage to a mothership.

it's just that it's a delicate thing, needs precision, geometry or timing.

on the other hand, get few solar panels and there is your fe, 3.5x3.5 meters and you can get 2.5kw out of it, that's a lot for not that big surface and prices of panels and inverters are going down.

i got other goals i want to pursue in the field of forbidden science so as far as energy goes i'm looking at the sun right now.

tnx for comforting words and heil the unicorn

Hi,
When experimenting takes place it often is just a case of learning what doesn't work.
Keep it simple and cheap.

I built a Bedini type device and decided it was the interaction of two windings that gave a good effect. A separate two winding inductor was used to fire a pulse back with more current in one winding than the other and the motor sped up as the input voltage on a capacitor increased. First the windings in the coil were used to attract the magnet on the rotor and then the reverse pulse in one winding to repel. It had to be switched off because the voltage was getting to high on a capacitor and the sped was making bad vibration. The current from the power supply was unchanged between two configurations.

The transformer action only sees wire resistance when currents are maximum with no flux in the core.
A transformer is more efficient than an ordinary single stator coil and a magnetic field crossing it.
There is a much smaller magnetic field in a two winding transformer with a load.

80watt 50Hz  240v transformer only has about 0.032watt DC power equivalent in the flux. That is 1/2500th of the power.

The problems occur when AC is used. Voltage needs to be stored and then dumped to make the transition from one side of the sine wave or +ve to -neg. A bit like the Tesla coil spark gap. A triac can be used up to 100 or perhaps 200 pulses per second.
There is always some residual magnetism left and this is where the loss is and voltage is needed.
The sine wave is like positive DC and negative DC.  There is some though and design to make the excursion from one to the other.

All the best,

Allan

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Re: Another failed project
« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2020, 02:16:55 AM »
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The transformer action only sees wire resistance when currents are maximum with no flux in the core

Actually, copper losses happen in a transformer even when secondary is open. Here is more about it. I quote a guy from Quora (i think)

A transformer with open secondary is just an inductor. The concept of backEMF makes no sense here. What will happen is the current will lag the voltage by 90° in the ideal case. Power delivered to the inductor is current times voltage. Note that this averages to 0 over any whole cycle when the current and voltage are sines with 90° phase shift between them. Energy is put into the inductor during half the cycle, then given back during the other half. The average power transfer is 0. The energy that is absorbed and then given back is temporarily stored in the magnetic field of the transformer core. In reality, the inductor will not be purely inductive, but will also appear to have some resistance in series with its inductance. That resistance is the DC resistance of the wire the primary coil is made from. That resistance will dissipate power proportional to the square of the current thru it. In a "good" transformer or inductor, this resistance is small compared to the impedance due to the inductance over the frequency range the device is intended to work. Looking at the voltage and current, the current will lag the voltage a little less than 90° due to this resistance. The average of the voltage x current over a whole cycle is now a little positive, which is the energy dissipated by the resistance each cycle. Getting even closer to reality, there will also be some loss in storing then retrieving magnetic energy to/from the transformer core each cycle. This will also appear as a resistive component electrically. The resistance will appear in parallel with the primary inductance. Both together are in series with the DC resistance of the coil.

When a load is connected to the secondary, it looks a lot like the core gets more lossy to the circuit driving the primary. The primary looks more resistive (which means voltage and current are now more in-phase), which accounts for the higher power it now draws at the same voltage.

Like the core loss resistance, this additional resistance appears in parallel with the inductance of the primary, from the point of view of the circuit driving the primary. In a ideal transformer with ideal load, the secondary removes energy from the magnetic core exactly as the primary tries to put it there. The result is the primary current is now in phase with its voltage, and therefore looks purely resistive. This of course never happens exactly because there are always inevitable losses.

In the ideal case, a transformer primary looks like whatever impedance is connected to the secondary, divided by the square of the turns ratio. For example, let's saya transformer has a 1:3 turns ratio. You put 12 VAC into the primary, and ideally get 36V out of thesecondary. If there is 10 Ω on the secondary, then it is delivering (36V)/10Ω = 130W. This has to go into the primary, which means the primary current is 130W/12V = 10.8A, which means the primary look slike a 12V/10.8A = 1.11 Ω resistor. Note that 1.11Ω / 10Ω = 1/9, which is the square of the turns ratio.

if you're into bedini you can also consider these approaches

charles flynn patent

https://patents.google.com/patent/US5254925A/en

spiral iron rotor rotates by itself untill it's closest to the PM, then coil around PM neutralizes it and rotation continues with energy gain

and magnetic wankel engine

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Re: Another failed project
« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2020, 03:01:51 AM »
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tnx for comforting words and heil the unicorn

Thank you for the kind response, I meant no offense and my post was supposed to be sarcastic humor to make people think about our perspective.

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i did get depressed for few hours yesterday ofc after all the time and money 'wasted' into failed project. but like i said it's all part of learning. sometimes we are impatient cause this life is too short and then we convice ourselves we should've alredy been blessed with things like this, but it doesn't work like that in practice. we must earn things and be ready to receive before they are granted.

That's the only kind of attitude we FE researchers can have in my opinion and it's a long hard haul any way we look at it. The learning curve is simply ridiculous and we have to be inventors, engineers, scientists, physicists, fabricators, electricians and have any other number of skills just to move forward.

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I never doubted fe for a moment. magnetic field which is earth's etheric currents is a source of energy, one of. so many ways to do it. i have no doubt if i continue to play with it in any particular direction, be it kunel or lenzless alternator or any, that i will crack it at one point. if any fe was a goal, i would pursue that flywheel thing, that has most succesfull replications. just put a big flywheel on the alternator shaft, spin it to speed with smaller motor and there is your fe. ofc not all get even that right, but many do. but is that elegant, is that how you imagine fe. comparing that to some solid state system like figuera or kunel is like comparing a horse carriage to a mothership.

I followed your links and looked at them. That Lenz free generator looks like an insane amount of work and a tough nut to crack. Have you looked at the Adam's motor generator?. Not the nonsense on the net but Adam's original patents and literature?. It's the simplest and most affordable device to get the results your looking for in my opinion.

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it's just that it's a delicate thing, needs precision, geometry or timing.
On the other hand, get few solar panels and there is your fe, 3.5x3.5 meters and you can get 2.5kw out of it, that's a lot for not that big surface and prices of panels and inverters are going down.

That is also a very good attitude in my opinion and we shouldn't get to hung up on one technology. Energy is energy, so if solar is cheaper and faster than years of research with little positive results then why not try it. We could always look at ways to enhance our output down the line as well. It's important to understand energy can take many forms and it is more affordable energy we are after. In fact an approved grid tie solar system is the easiest way to sneak FE into the grid under the radar if you know what I mean. Nobody notices a little extra energy here or there however a house lit up with no grid connection is a problem.

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I got other goals i want to pursue in the field of forbidden science so as far as energy goes i'm looking at the sun right now.

In fact most all the energy we know of is born in stars like our Sun. There are supposedly over one billion trillion of them that we know of and all elements larger than H and He are born from stars. We are made of the stuff from stars as is our planet and everything we know. Free Energy also comes from stars and it's energy pervades every place and every space within it. T.H.Moray explains all this stuff much better than I ever could and one would do well to read his work.

Best Regards

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Re: Another failed project
« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2020, 03:31:39 AM »
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Thank you for the kind response

you're most welcome

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I followed your links and looked at them. That Lenz free generator looks like an insane amount of work and a tough nut to crack. Have you looked at the Adam's motor generator?. Not the nonsense on the net but Adam's original patents and literature?. It's the simplest and most affordable device to get the results your looking for in my opinion.

yes i did, in pj kelly's book and videos. not my favorite approach but interesting. i see my future research mostly in direction of kunel and alike (mark's tpu etc).

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In fact most all the energy we know of is born in stars like our Sun. There are supposedly over one billion trillion of them that we know of and all elements larger than H and He are born from stars. We are made of the stuff from stars as is our planet and everything we know. Free Energy also comes from stars and it's energy pervades every place and every space within it. T.H.Moray explains all this stuff much better than I ever could and one would do well to read his work.

Best Regards

indeed, mostly all energy to earth comes from our sun, it is the local CONVERTER of radiant energy. i talked about that elesewhere, that light and heat are created locally in the atmospheres of the planets when what i prefer to call high etheric energy or neutral, non polarized energy slows down, and when BUBBLES of similar size join we get polarized energy we know as light and heat. bubbles of various sizes produce varying wavelengths (see zirbes for more).

this etheric pressure of which sun is the closest source radiates from all stars and galaxy centers and this is what we perceive as "gravity". this pressure reflects back into space from the planet's core, and this is the long sought "antigravity", the negative radiation usually not perceived, cause it vibrates at 1/3 higher frequency than the inward pressure. but if so called atomic speed is raised a little, matter no longer resists the slow inward pressure but starts to resist it's superimposed, faster, polar opposite. this is one of approaches to levitation, this is the cold electrcity, this is the treasure of the hail, the navaz of atlantis and this is the future of mankind's science.

as you can see gravity is my greatest passion and my main focus of pursue.

best regards

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Re: Another failed project
« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2023, 12:14:37 AM »
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I know the feeling and I had many failed projects as well but I didn't get desperate and hate HORNY the only one true unicorn god after my failed projects. However I'm not hear to talk about religion, even if HORNY is the only true god but about my failures at free energy. HORNY say's we should keep an open mind about free energy but not her and look to nature, which she created from nothing by the way. But I'm not here to talk about HORNY, so after I failed at free energy I got thinking about nature. How mankind worships imaginary constructs, but not HORNY, like money, power, politics, nationalism and such. However nature is infinite, like HORNY, and beyond mankind because it has had billions of years to evolve, more in HORNY's case.

So many of us have been down this road and thank HORNY were finally beginning to see the light at the end of the tunnel. It just takes dedication and perseverance and we should always keep an open mind, kind of but not really.

May HORNY bless you all, stay safe, take care, bundle up, pull up your socks, wear a mask but not a real mask that's lame, lol.

I already replied to this 3 years ago, but to recap on some details. As i wrote back then, i too had many failed projects and altho it was disheartening to see project(s) fail after so much time, energy and money invested, i did not get desperate and hate god either, i switched immediately to other approaches, even considered solar. There is always light at the end of the tunnel, in fact there is no tunnel, tunnel is an illusion, there is only light. BTW, as i wrote many times, God / Self, however you like to call it, creates time-space aka "nature" from nothing by dispersing and vibrating itself, by sound https://vril12.wordpress.com/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMbeK_6ATxQ As for overunity, as i always say dedication and perseverance always, relentless persistence, always seeking better understanding of all key principles and phenomena is the only way, never lukewarm approaches, ALL in or no in. And now comparing to 3 years ago, with additional experience in solid state and everything else, experience and learning is really gold. Some are stuck on lower energy levels, but that is all fine, great spiral of time is slowly lifting everyone upward.
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Re: Another failed project
« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2023, 04:16:07 AM »
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Quote from: onepower on August 31, 2020, 10:41:42 PM

Damn, that does sound like me and my sarcastic sense of humor can go too far sometimes. Did you find this post offensive?, even I find what I said kind of offensive in retrospect. However three years later I can still see the direction of the concept I was trying to convey. It's never "what we believe" that matters but why and our justification and reasoning.

I find it really interesting you posted a picture of a caduceus staff usually associated with medicine. Do you know what it is?, I believe it was the British who borrowed the symbol from there obsession with all things Egyptian in the early 1900's. However the Egyptians borrowed it from a few other cultures dating back to the Sumerians. It's not actually a symbol but a device I built and tested.

Look at the picture below, what do you see?. Most see nothing because they understand little however most of the symbology can be used as an electrical analogy. For example, look at the figure on the left and what there holding in there left hand. This was called a flail often associated with a crook seen in the right hand. Here we need to forget what we think of form and only see function, as an electrical function. In fact I built both devices and the flail is equivalent to a foil electrometer and the crook similar to a "U" shaped tesla coil which arcs over due to the difference in potential between the end and mid point.

In fact the caduceus staff you posted is nothing like the symbology depicted thousands of years before our civilization was even an idea. The original symbols showed striations across the staff and serpents similar to how we depict coil windings. Most often depicted as alternating bands of blue and red, similar to the colors used at the temple of Dendera to symbolize a battery(bagdad battery), ie. the Dendera lights. Similar to how we equate red/blue with magnetic polarity and black/red with electrical polarity today. The Ankh is also present which was originally shown with coils wound at the intersection of the metal form. It is also often confused with religion/medicine but is an electrical device.

On the electric universe website there were a few researchers who actually replicated the Dendera light tubes using mercury vacuum tubes...
http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=14651
Ancients Knowledge of EU revealed in Dendera Light discovery

Absolutely brilliant thread and there replications are the real deal. When I read this thread my mind damn near exploded and a person could spend a decade just following through on all the work they did. Reading this thread was a tipping point for me and it's when everything started coming together.

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Re: Another failed project
« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2023, 04:48:37 PM »
No, lol, i did not find it offensive one bit, it was clearly humorous written, i just wanted to remind of this thread since i recalled these efforts few days back at Holcomb thread. As for "It's never "what we believe" that matters but why and our justification and reasoning." that is how i understood your post originally, and in a worldly sense that is true, but in a deeper and more important sense it is not true for all this so called reality is based on belief. With that said, as i always remind, intelligently seeking fundamental principles is essential and rising to higher energy level within oneself. But altho you make a good point you yourself are lacking so much in these key areas.

As for the caduceus staff that is the secret of secrets, the bucking principle, as i wrote many times already, this is the most fundamental of all principles for time-space itself is created by two bucking sets of vibrations. Medicine has never used caduceus staff in the history, as ChatGPT says

"The confusion between the caduceus and the rod of Asclepius in medical symbolism can be traced back to the early 20th century in the United States. Some medical organizations, such as the U.S. Army Medical Corps, adopted the caduceus as a symbol due to its association with commerce and negotiation, which they perceived as relevant to their work. However, this adoption was not universally accepted, and many other medical institutions and professionals continue to use the rod of Asclepius as the symbol of medicine."

It is the staff of Hermes associated with flight, it was always and always will be a scalar coil, an electromagneto-gravitic device. I used it in my Don Smith replica but i never got overunity there. I could go on about caduceus forever, Wilbert Smith was on instruction of ETs experimenting with it and pumping 4kW in it with no heat, energy was simply "disappearing". He did not get levitation as others did, but that alone is a good example that this coil is a scalar coil. Higher effects are delicate.

I am aware of Dendera "light bulb". As for what he's holding in his hand, you want to see electrometer and "U" shaped tesla coil which arcs, so that is what you see, it can be interpreted in various ways. But rest assured that is neither electrometer nor Tesla coil. That does not mean Egyptians did not have relatively advanced technology, altho it surely got progressively lower from sinking of Atlantis onward. Look at Abydos hieroglyphs, no one intelligent can deny these are helicopter, plane and a yacht, altho official narrative tries to debunk them in most ridiculous way that those are symbols upon symbols accidentally resembling those things. Anyway, Egypt is hardly worthy of mention. Look at vimanas for example. Realize the true grandeur of the "ancients". They may seem ancient to you but to us who are fully aware human civilizations have risen to immense heights and fell back into barbarianism on this planet for more than 70 million years, these events of few thousand years ago can hardly be deemed "ancient". Even Atlantis of 16,000 years ago to 12,000 years ago is but a second ago in the larger scope of things.

https://vril12.wordpress.com/vimana/

I have again spoken of Atlantis recently

https://overunity.com/17735/kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion/msg578037/#msg578037
https://overunity.com/17735/kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion/msg578123/#msg578123

Some priests in Egypt might have retained the knowledge of Maxin Light and night side forces over the millenia, as did those of other nations, as did Solomon, as it is written in The Kebra Nagast etc.

And similar quotes in One Thousand and One Nights

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScSmhtbNl-c

It goes on and on infinitely. Ancient priest-scientists knew the secret of caduceus (male-electric-projective-positive and female-magnetic-receptive-negative around the neutral axis of Maxin where polarities meet).

As for "In fact the caduceus staff you posted is nothing like the symbology depicted thousands of years before our civilization was even an idea" you are wrong there, the picture i posted does depict it like coil winding, that it is flattened does not matter, in fact that is a far more common configuration for scalar coils (i know it from studyng thousands of contactee cases, antigravity belts they wear, those are obviously flat wound etc). And as for "Most often depicted as alternating bands of blue and " you are also wrong there too, most of the ancient depictions depict it as colorless, flattened, look at ancient Caduceus symbols some of these go back 5-6000 years. Most or all of them are in stone, flattened intertwining serpents. They can be either way.

Red blue was used by the ancients to represent the directions. As Hermetic Brotherhood reveals in their book Our story of Atlantis (describing Atlantis as it was 31,000 years ago), quote

"The Chamber of the forty-five was more that of a school of training than a laboratory of occult force. The thickness of the separating masonry was seven feet. In the center it presented a square rising above the roof of the Temple. Within it was a square room with the sides facing each of the points of the compass. Circular windows, one each, pierced the walls of the four sides. The one on the east was red, the one on the west was blue, the south was yellow, and the north, white."

As for The Ankh there are various versions, some of which may be interpreted as having a coil or coils but none of those are clear depictions of coils, there is however one which clearly shows it with a caduceus, attached below, A crux ansata in Codex Glazier, a Coptic manuscript of the New Testament, 4th to 5th century AD, clearly shows The Ankh with scalar coil all across it.

More about The Ankh from George Hunt Williamson in Other Tongues Other Flesh

"Copper is the only metal which occurs native abundantly in large masses and copper is supreme among the common metals in its everlasting qualities. The following are two slightly different forms in which the ancient alchemists of the Middle Ages employed the "ankh", the symbol of enduring life, to designate copper. These alchemists always represented copper by the astrological sign for Venus. this circle with cross attached below was the Egyptian symbol for everlasting or enduring life. The "ankh" or Crux Ansata symbolized life itself, therefore it was a fitting symbol to be used for copper which can be the bridge between time and timelessness! Both the cross and the circle were phallic symbols, for the ancient world venerated the generative powers of Nature as being expressive of the creative attributes of the Deity. The Crux Ansata, by combining the masculine Tau with the feminine oval, exemplified the principles of generation. The generative powers which the "ankh" symbolized were also representative of life, since without these powers no man would be born on Earth."

While Dendera light tube and Bagdad battery may be fun, they're hardly worthy of mention in comparison to Vailx and Vimanas which most fail to recognize as something real just cause there are no material proofs of their existence in the public, but words and symbols speak clearly, for those with eyes to see.

Even at Gobekli Tepe we see pairs of 3 serpents spiraling downward, probably representing the 3une One Force emerging from the Godhead, and chain-like decorations on the sides-top of the column attached below can be interpreted as intertwining serpents aka caduceus. This is almost 12,000 years old.

But most of these people who depicted it did not understand it as a technology. Only the priest-scientists did and it was always most closely guarded secret.

Some more revelations of timeless wisdom from A Dweller

"In some cases such sustenance is sufficient for ages, in others, centuries, years, days, or even minutes, according to the earthward−turning, or the spirit−turning sympathies of the decedent. The astral is only vivified force, bearing the image in all respects of its ego, the I AM. Even prophecies made by returned spirits, prophecies which come true after years, perhaps are but the impressed foresight of the ego at the moment of departure. It for an instant sees into vast future depths of time. And this glimpse is imprinted on its astral−shell. It is psychic form. If the phenomena set in motion by man are of that intensely vital created by Moses, Buddha, Zoroaster, then just as long as a believer of any one of these religious systems adheres, that long, but no longer the shells of these prophets will continue their derived existence. It is psychic force which is their controlling lever, formed force. It is this same force which holds the stars to their orbits, and the atoms to theirs. It is vital, and dual, being positive and negative. To separate the force or fire element of the ancients (ancients to thee, not to me), was to cause the focus for such an Unfed Fire as the Maxin, and in later ages, in Israel the power in the Ark of the Covenant, alike with the Maxin, fatal to life. These focus points are portals whereinto the entire concourse of lesser forces of nature are absorbed upon contact. These foci are also the sole residence of the much sought universal solvent of the alchemists; needless to say that as some of these alchemists have been Sons of the Solitude, that therefore they have had the wonderful solvent to serve them."

And some more on nature of The Force in its positive and negative aspects.

"Continuing, Quong said to me: Have you found the doorway? It is not strange that you should fail, for it was constructed with the special purpose of baffling the curious. Again he touched the enormous quadrangular block. Immediately it tipped on edge and leaned outward over us, causing me to spring away in terror lest it fall on me. Be not afraid, my brother. See, it is under my control as if on hinges; and he swung it back on its lower outer edge with wonderful ease, only keeping his own nearest hand firmly upon it. To my amazed query he replied that it worked to his will through magnetism. But I saw no magnet, and said so. Truth! In me is the magnet you do not see. Did it ever occur to you that the processes of all life are carried on by what for our present purpose may be called magnetism? Assimilation of food and drink, waste, excretion, all vital processes whatever? The magnet is in the cerebellum or back brain, and in the medullary substance of the corporae striatum, a veritable wound magnet. The force which causes the heart to act, the lungs to act, maintains bodily heat, and so on, is enormous; it amounts to many hundreds of thousands of foot pounds per day. He that knows occult law can make nature parallel this magnet, for the universe itself moves only because of the current, which flows from positive to negative, from one−half of matter into the other half, continuously. Here, now, is an occult secret: make a place of separation in this, the Fire of Life, and where the poles come in contact there shall force be in action. This block of stone, the door, is an armature in a natural field of force. Here on the ground. is another. Putting the door−stone back in place, Quong drew a circle on the ground about a foot across. Then in this circle a couple of lines in a simple cross, one north and south, the, other east and west. As the four ends of the cross were contacted with the circle, a tall, steady flame sprang up, its spear−shaped cone trembling within itself, but being wholly uninfluenced by the wind, which had some time before commenced blowing in vigorous gusts. Then sad the Tchin: Behold the Vis Mortuus. Of all mankind only an occult student could bring it forth; only such a one could put it out, unless by accident. Touch it not; 'twould be fatal, on the principle that the greater contains all lesser forces, and it would instantly absorb the force of life, or of wind or wave, or projectile; it exists visibly here because on a thaumaturgic symbol. You think that symbol might as well be of any other form? So think those who comprehend not. See that moth darting about the flame of the light; it will enter, but not be burnt; no, quicker see! it touches, and disappears, and leaves no sign yet the light is not hot, no, not even warm. I will put it out. Suiting his action to the word, he drew a stick through beneath the dust on which the circle was described, and the light in that instant was gone. Then another circle made he, drew but one line across it, north and south, then stepped into the figure, one of his feet on each semi−circle. Immediately his whole person was covered with a brilliant flame, so that he appeared on fire. I was exceedingly terrified. Do not fear for me! It is well with me. The other flame was negative odicity, and would have instantly been fatal to whatever motion touched it and have disintegrated its form; yea, a rock thrown into it would at once have disintegrated, or a cannon ball discharged from the muzzle of the piece would have fared the same. But this is a positive flaming of the Vis Naturae, and preserves life. I might stand here till the centuries mounted and be not weary, nor hungry, nor sick, cat not, nor drink, yet live; for this keeps all things untouched by time, as when they enter it. No difference in symbolic figures, think you now? Indeed, yes. But my soul will not progress; so that case of living though its use offers, I care not to employ its aid, except that when weary it gives me rest; ill, it restores health. He broke the circle with his foot, and coming away, swung back the door−stone again and stepped within the tunnel disclosed behind it. I followed, the door was replaced, and I found that the passage led into the mountain. I was still thinking of the biblical legend of the rolling away of the stone from the mouth of the sepulcher of Jesus the Christ, and paralleling it with this act of the Tchin, aware now that neither were miracles, but manifestations of higher natural law."

"After this decision I was required to take vows of secrecy, whereby I was bound not to reveal any part of what I should learn in any manner which might give the hearer of my words practical use of what I told him. I might drop a hint which might be followed as a clue to the Voiceless Silence where blooms the Flower of Life; but, beyond a hint, my friend, I can tell you nothing. Of hints I have given many. Nor, were I to disregard my word, and divulge secrets of immediate working value, would you thank me. No, rather would you curse me. Why? Suppose we wit an instance: Suppose I were to reveal the secret of the Vis Mortuus, would you thank me? It is, remember, that force which may be projected in all its fatal strength to any distance and which is personified in the famous poem, The Destruction of Sennacherib, in the line: The Angel of Death spread his wings on the blast. - Suppose I revealed that secret? How long would it be ere the world would find that the unscrupulous amongst men were using it to work undetectable murder? And its uses are many besides, for it is the principle in nature which governs transmutation, disintegration, decay, destruction, death. All these, but never does it build anew; it is Siva, the Destroyer. Used aright, it is a beneficent force, for without it there would be no progress in nature, because no change could occurthere could not even be retrogression, but utter stagnation. Its sign is Much as that means to me, it can be but a hint to you. Study it if you will, and one day it shall be revealed to you. In reason you can no longer ask why occult matters are so imperatively secret, for it must be evident that this fair earth would be made by the unscrupulous into a very hell of misery and crime, 139 were they not thus secret. For a time those who chose to subvert their knowledge would seem to thrive and prosper, even though the world about them suffered. But subversion of the law is violation, and the penalty at last visited is in tenfold degree upon those who we nt most astray in their blindness and sin. It would cause them to curse the giver of such wisdom. Nine−tenths of the people of this world are unable to govern themselves well; they cannot in saneness expect to be made sharers of such awful knowledge as Siva represents. Men and wo men are really not following the Christ until every part of their own nature is held in an iron grasp of merciless subjection to high principles. But study, my friends, study. Christianize the money power of this world, so that capital shall not work harm to men but good, and from good thus born the karma of the world will lead to the goodness of heart which gives calmness of soul; in that calmness your study will bear fruit, and then it will not be a mockery, in seeming, of your hopes for me to say Study! I rejoice in those earnest workers whose motto is: Look up, not down; look out, not in; look forward, and not back, and lend a hand. Only this: the occult student gazes in, and not out! But these are not esoterists. Their name shall one day be great in the world, and though you who desire to study and know occult truths now may not see your hopes fruit in your present incarnation, yet in coming lives you will grasp these truths which elude you at present. Follow Him."
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Re: Another failed project
« Reply #11 on: June 16, 2023, 02:03:23 AM »
Speaking of Atlantis and preflood world for which A Dweller on Two Planets is a must read

https://www.mediafire.com/file/p4qc95220yu491o/ATLANTIS.rar/file

There are 100% conventional things about those times that are interesting to say the least

For example La Marche cave in Lussac, France discovered in 1937. has 155 vivid human portraits around 15,000 years old many of which show people wearing modern clothes, hats, purses, belts, boots etc.

http://www.ancient-wisdom.com/francelamarche.htm

Paintings in the Chauvet Cave discovered in 1994, also in France are oldest cave paintings on record (some of them 32,000 years old). They look as if modern artist did them.

http://www.ancient-wisdom.com/francechauvet.htm

Not to mention the bullet skulls, especially the Rhodesian and Auroch skull.

https://www.ancient-origins.net/unexplained-phenomena/prehistoric-skulls-001979

And again not so official history, but even more important.

Book of a real contactee that perfectly aligns with another totally unrelated contactee case of Mission Rahma, both say clearly that androgynous hybrid was created by colonizers from space about 70 million years ago, below is a sketch of an early human prior to hybridizations, Martin describes two races of semi-civilized early humans who lived here before hybridization, one black who lived near the sea, had huts, showers, clothes, cooked, etc. and traded with light brown forest dwellers who were nomads and not had nothing but probably basic weapons.
https://www.mediafire.com/file/ped7unhu56ahulo/284012683-Wendelle-Stevens-Ufo-Contact-From-Planet-Arian-of-Alderbaron.pdf/file

So man walked with dinosaurs. Strange as it may sound to some, history is very different than most would even dare to imagine.

Forbidden Archeology by Michael A Cremo and Richard L Thompson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpYPdb50UVQ

One of the forbidden archaeological cases that Cremo mentions in the lecture above and in the book you can download here is the Macoupin County skeleton.

From The Geologist, December 1862.

"In Macoupin County, Illinois, the bones of a man were recently found on a coal-bed capped with two feet of slate rock, ninety feet below the surface of the earth. . . The bones, when found, were covered with a crust or coating of hard glossy matter, as black as coal itself, but when scraped away left the bones white and natural."

As he writes in the book on page 563, Cremo asked a geologist in 1985 about the age of the vitreous coal under which the skeleton of an anatomically modern man was found and a certain Mr. C. Brian Trask of the Illinois Geological Society told him that it was probably late Desmoinesian age from which it is clear that the age of this skeleton is 286 to 320 million years.

As Cremo says, since the skeleton was found UNDER that sheet of glassy petrified coal, there is no possibility that the skeleton buried a few thousand years ago could have sunk deeper or something.

https://youtu.be/NpYPdb50UVQ?t=3260

Then Meister Print

In 1968, William Meister searched for trilobite fossils in the 500-million-year-old strata known as the Cambrian Wheeler Formation near Antelope Springs, Utah. He discovered what appeared to be a human shoe print with a trilobite under the heel after breaking the slab. When Meister discovered the fossil, its authenticity was confirmed by Dr. Hellmut Doelling of the Geological Survey of Utah.

The official and of course funny, false story is that these are not trilobites but "spalling", i.e. natural cracking of the stone. Since most cannot accept the simple truth as it is, they think that even though they are trilobites, the shape of the shoe must be an accidental natural formation. That's how it goes, always.

https://amyth.com/meister-print-fact-fiction/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEgANdXIcUU

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« Reply #12 on: June 16, 2023, 02:06:42 AM »
And Lascaux Cave, also France, 17,300 years old, also sophisticated art.

http://www.ancient-wisdom.com/francelascaux.htm

And Dorchester Pot. In 1852, in Dorchester, Massachusetts, after they blew up a rock about 600 million years old, in the remains of the rock they found a metal vase in two parts, the material was zinc with some silver, it had flower motifs drawn in silver. Skeptics dismiss the whole thing only because it is inconceivable and impossible for them, so they are "sure" that it is a modern vase, and how it ended up inside a 600 million year old stone - there is no answer.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorchester_Pot

As Michael Cremo said, they buried more back (or hid in Smithsonian basements) than they showed to the public.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWnb8NCI-eI

Cayce says Great Congress of world rulers was held in 50,722 BC to deal with the issue of "Invasion of the Great Beasts that overran the Earth" which they cleaned with death rays.

Whole history is practically 100% a lie.

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« Reply #13 on: June 16, 2023, 02:52:12 AM »
Just seeing these portraits 15,000 years old is strange, when you wonder who were these people, what their world looked like. These were contemporaries of Atlantis! And so much more.

If they had modern clothing 15,000 years ago, bullets, then question is what else did they have or rather easier, what did they not have.

Fact is, and this will be proven in few years, there were almost always vastly different degrees of civilizations coexisting on the planet, just like today we have western highly technological civilization and at the same time remote tribes literally still living in stone age.

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« Reply #14 on: June 17, 2023, 05:55:34 AM »
before this i replicated thomas engel motor https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBRDvwrFwVo

I just found photos from 2017. of that failed Thomas Engel replica, so here they are.

There are no photos of it fully assembled. It also had a giant zinc pulley which was supposed
to turn an alternator. But when i tested it all i got was whole house shaking from vibrations
but i noticed no torque or power amplification at the big wheel except the inertia of the heavy
magnet wheel which was 3cm thick aluminum + 6 1.2kg stacked ferrite rings.