Author Topic: Gyro Gravity Motor (Read 6273 times)

Lunkster · « **on:** August 30, 2020, 07:21:57 PM »

I have not seen a valid Gravity Motor work without interacting with outside forces, even though there are many claims that they do.
I have seen models of combining magnets and gravity in the designs. I have not seen verified working. It looks like a lot of scams to me.

After watching the video's on gyro's of how they had either moved the center of gravity in the assembly or maybe actually became lighter. Either way, could several gyro's be placed on a gravity wheel and rearranged on the wheel between the left side of the wheel and the right side of the wheel in order to cause continuous rotation of the wheel. Could the turning of the wheel run a generator that would power the gyro's. Would there be any power left over creating a COP>1.

Many of you have seen many more designs than what I have seen. I would like to see if people have knowledge of anyone who has done or is doing work in this area?
I would like to see what people have using gyro's

The file is my non-working Gravity motor, Some people like to have a good laugh. Call it "The Laugh of the Day".

The Lunkster

AllanV · « **Reply #1 on:** September 01, 2020, 12:49:00 AM »

Quote from: Lunkster on August 30, 2020, 07:21:57 PM

I have not seen a valid Gravity Motor work without interacting with outside forces, even though there are many claims that they do.
I have seen models of combining magnets and gravity in the designs. I have not seen verified working. It looks like a lot of scams to me.

After watching the video's on gyro's of how they had either moved the center of gravity in the assembly or maybe actually became lighter. Either way, could several gyro's be placed on a gravity wheel and rearranged on the wheel between the left side of the wheel and the right side of the wheel in order to cause continuous rotation of the wheel. Could the turning of the wheel run a generator that would power the gyro's. Would there be any power left over creating a COP>1.

Many of you have seen many more designs than what I have seen. I would like to see if people have knowledge of anyone who has done or is doing work in this area?
I would like to see what people have using gyro's

The file is my non-working Gravity motor, Some people like to have a good laugh. Call it "The Laugh of the Day".

The Lunkster

Hi,

I am working on such an experiment now.

I do not mind telling it.

While doing the dishes in the sink one time many years ago the dish mop was used to lift a plate up out of the water onto the surface by using a stirring action. It is quiet effective. The plate wobbles its way to the surface.
The stirring is lowering the pressure on the top of the plate as it is displaced as well.
It does not take much pressure differential from top to bottom to get a large force.

Using the plate as an example and replaced by a gyroscope, the action of the movement by the dish mop applied mechanically, lift should occur.

A gyroscope if it is wobbled while it is twisted will give lift on the opposite side from the twisting moment. The gyro is twisted through the center of the mass on one side while the other is lower. The twist will bring the other lower side up.
It requires balance and careful construction. The lift would come from the center of mass on the lower side.
Two actions are required the wobble and the twist and they may have to go counter to each other. The lift will have two strong pulses per revolution.
The idea is to develop the movement that then could be applied and induced electrically into a mass to act on every atom.

All the best,

Allan

Lunkster · « **Reply #2 on:** September 01, 2020, 03:39:26 AM »

Quote from: AllanV on September 01, 2020, 12:49:00 AM

Hi,

I am working on such an experiment now.

I do not mind telling it.

While doing the dishes in the sink one time many years ago the dish mop was used to lift a plate up out of the water onto the surface by using a stirring action. It is quiet effective. The plate wobbles its way to the surface.
The stirring is lowering the pressure on the top of the plate as it is displaced as well.
It does not take much pressure differential from top to bottom to get a large force.

Using the plate as an example and replaced by a gyroscope, the action of the movement by the dish mop applied mechanically, lift should occur.

A gyroscope if it is wobbled while it is twisted will give lift on the opposite side from the twisting moment. The gyro is twisted through the center of the mass on one side while the other is lower. The twist will bring the other lower side up.
It requires balance and careful construction. The lift would come from the center of mass on the lower side.
Two actions are required the wobble and the twist and they may have to go counter to each other. The lift will have two strong pulses per revolution.
The idea is to develop the movement that then could be applied and induced electrically into a mass to act on every atom.

All the best,

Allan

Very Interesting.
Would you have a sketch or drawing that you would be able to share.
I am better at understanding things from drawings or sketches.

Thank you so much for responding, I am glad that you are looking into this area. I lived in an RV for 18 months not to long ago and for some of us, there are times when it is hard for us to build a prototype.

I wish you the best in your research!

The Lunkster

AllanV · « **Reply #3 on:** September 02, 2020, 08:47:09 AM »

Quote from: Lunkster on September 01, 2020, 03:39:26 AM

Very Interesting.
Would you have a sketch or drawing that you would be able to share.
I am better at understanding things from drawings or sketches.

Thank you so much for responding, I am glad that you are looking into this area. I lived in an RV for 18 months not to long ago and for some of us, there are times when it is hard for us to build a prototype.

I wish you the best in your research!

The Lunkster

Hi, wanted to reply sooner but had a look in my workshop and found something that may interest you.

It is a gyro set up. I intend to build 6 of them and put them into a light weight air craft.

A description; when a bullet is fired on a horizontal plane at a plate of steel that is angled to send the bullet down, the plate will want to move back and lift.
If the plate is move forward toward the bullet then there will be some lift only as the trajectory changes.
When a gyro is spinning it is similar. What has been set up is a gyro that is free to move down as a force is pushed toward it and as the upward force is taken off it. It needs a little bit more work. So far it works but how much, it needs a little more checking.

About 5% of the force from the flywheel would still be a usable amount.
The other thing is it could push a vehicle but a big flywheel with the proper mounting is needed to push at least 100kg.

There was a stop to this project because there is another way to do this and I am only half way.

It will take me a few days because there is not so much thinking it has already mostly been done.

I will try to get back with another post sooner than later.

All the best,

Allan

conradelektro · « **Reply #4 on:** September 03, 2020, 08:37:58 PM »

Gyroscopes are solved but difficult to understand, therefore the many speculations:
https://www.real-world-physics-problems.com/gyroscope-physics.html#:~:text=These%20forces%20act%20in%20opposite%20directions.&text=In%20other%20words%2C%20due%20to,explanation%20behind%20the%20gyroscope%20physics

The dynamics of macroscopic things are solved, there are no more riddles. If you want to come up with something that moves an object in space without throwing much mass away, you have to look at the particle level. But this is impossible at home.

Instead of a chemical reaction in a rocket (which throws away atoms at a relative slow speed) you want to eject particles at the speed of light. You will still throw mass away, but at an incredible speed, therefore you only have to throw away little mass.

The "lifter idea" ( e.g. https://news.mit.edu/2018/first-ionic-wind-plane-no-moving-parts-1121 ) uses Ions in the air, which will not work in space. And a "lifter" also throws atoms (Ions) at a relative low speed.

Ion thrusters https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion_thruster also throw away atoms and molecules at a relatively low speed.

First study the known physics of gyroscopes and then start dreaming. You will wake up immediately.

Greetings, Conrad

AllanV · « **Reply #5 on:** September 04, 2020, 12:01:43 AM »

Quote from: conradelektro on September 03, 2020, 08:37:58 PM

Gyroscopes are solved but difficult to understand, therefore the many speculations:
https://www.real-world-physics-problems.com/gyroscope-physics.html#:~:text=These%20forces%20act%20in%20opposite%20directions.&text=In%20other%20words%2C%20due%20to,explanation%20behind%20the%20gyroscope%20physics

The dynamics of macroscopic things are solved, there are no more riddles. If you want to come up with something that moves an object in space without throwing much mass away, you have to look at the particle level. But this is impossible at home.

Instead of a chemical reaction in a rocket (which throws away atoms at a relative slow speed) you want to eject particles at the speed of light. You will still throw mass away, but at an incredible speed, therefore you only have to throw away little mass.

The "lifter idea" ( e.g. https://news.mit.edu/2018/first-ionic-wind-plane-no-moving-parts-1121 ) uses Ions in the air, which will not work in space. And a "lifter" also throws atoms (Ions) at a relative low speed.

Ion thrusters https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion_thruster also throw away atoms and molecules at a relatively low speed.

First study the known physics of gyroscopes and then start dreaming. You will wake up immediately.

Greetings, Conrad

Hi Conrad,

Thanks for the reply.
When precession is mentioned the discussion has taken the wrong direction. Precession holds the flywheel in space but it is trajectory change that produces a force and this is where the thrust comes from.
Precession occurs with a certain movement. It is a bit like the magnetic effect that has to change to induce an output.

What needs to be done is to study gyroscopes by building and applying the known effects. A set up produced 2kg lift when the fly wheel at low rpm was twisted. Working through the problem has given up two different ways of automating the action.
Since the internet began people have produced and posted the same wrong constructions and need to study the basics. Nothing has been posted similar to how the construction needs to be.
A physical simple gyro is not the total answer, there is agreement there.

The experts have lead us down a road of waste and destructive inefficiency. I do not respect them or trust the system that produces them.
The most ridiculous situation of inefficiency was when after some calculation, it would take 10,000 tonnes of water through the turbine driving a power generator to move 9 tonnes of material, up a hill, with a battery powered electric vehicle.

The gyro idea intrigues me. A video of a professor was shown and he went over the math with all calculations that covered the width of the lecture hall to show there is no lift. What he did was to prove the flywheel did not loose weight. And that is ridiculous, how could it.
A 20Kg flywheel spun up to 4000rpm, on the end of 0.9M shaft, is easily lifted over the persons head with arms at full stretch. A 12 year old boy has been shown to do it.
Is it possible for a human to lift a 20Kg weight on the end of a 0.9M shaft with arms at full stretch, off the floor. No, it is impossible. You try it.

It interests me.

Regards,

Allan

Lunkster · « **Reply #6 on:** September 04, 2020, 12:30:00 AM »

Quote from: conradelektro on September 03, 2020, 08:37:58 PM

Gyroscopes are solved but difficult to understand, therefore the many speculations:
https://www.real-world-physics-problems.com/gyroscope-physics.html#:~:text=These%20forces%20act%20in%20opposite%20directions.&text=In%20other%20words%2C%20due%20to,explanation%20behind%20the%20gyroscope%20physics

The dynamics of macroscopic things are solved, there are no more riddles. If you want to come up with something that moves an object in space without throwing much mass away, you have to look at the particle level. But this is impossible at home.

Instead of a chemical reaction in a rocket (which throws away atoms at a relative slow speed) you want to eject particles at the speed of light. You will still throw mass away, but at an incredible speed, therefore you only have to throw away little mass.

The "lifter idea" ( e.g. https://news.mit.edu/2018/first-ionic-wind-plane-no-moving-parts-1121 ) uses Ions in the air, which will not work in space. And a "lifter" also throws atoms (Ions) at a relative low speed.

Ion thrusters https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion_thruster also throw away atoms and molecules at a relatively low speed.

First study the known physics of gyroscopes and then start dreaming. You will wake up immediately.

Greetings, Conrad

Thank you for your response:
I have to admit that I have a hard time following the math, It is not my strong point, but I believe that the math is true. I have to admit that I have made the mistake in calling out gyro's in some of my drawings. What I want to do is to power up a wheel to a specific speed in order for the wheel to have a momentum in and of itself. On the large gravity wheel, I want either to twist, rotate or move the smaller spinning wheel in such a way that on the left side of the gravity wheel it enhances the gravity wheels movement. On the right side of the wheel I want to either twist, rotate or move the small rotating wheel in such a way to resist the movement of the larger gravity wheel. Now if that can be done then maybe I would have a way to create movement more than just rotation in a spacecraft as well. If we could paddle momentum like rowing a boat in water, I would have such a motor. Now for the case of the gravity wheel, there could be more energy needed in performing this task than any output achieved for the Gravity wheel. But for space travel, collecting solar power to operate such a motor would then be worth looking into. When you look at the gyro video's with scales, There is a spike in the weight when the natural movement of the gyro is disturbed. Several disturbances in a gyro's movement in a system needs to be looked at more closely.

What I am trying to say is that I will be mechanically placing forces against the spinning wheel that will be constantly changing the mathematical behavior of the system. Yes those formula's along with the formula's of the instances of all the mechanical disturbances I place on the spinning wheel would be helpful for the final systems operating performance and understanding of it.

I also know that if I get something to work on a gravity does not automatically mean that it would work in space, but it would need to be looked at for other applications.

I am sorry I did not make myself more clear, Again thank you for the information you provided

The Lunkster

conradelektro · « **Reply #7 on:** September 05, 2020, 05:52:54 PM »

Quote from: Lunkster on September 04, 2020, 12:30:00 AM

I also know that if I get something to work on a gravity does not automatically mean that it would work in space, but it would need to be looked at for other applications.

The Lunkster

Look at this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5opoI3ryiQ (Gyroscope Attempting to Climb a Vertical Threaded Rod)

It only works, because the gyroscope is lifting itself by pushing against the firm tabletop.

Whatever you do in space with gyroscopes (or whatever moving parts, without throwing them away) you will get a a forward and backward movement around the center of mass, a turing around the center of mass or a combination thereof.

All strange movements based on gyroscopes on a table (or in the hand of a professor) happen because the table is firmly on the ground (or the professor is firmly on the ground). Or said complicatedly: because the enormous mass of the earth looks like a firm object which does not move in space relative to the gyroscope.

Five good lectures:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYF0PGsF92k (Physics - Mechanics: The Gyroscope (1 of 5) The Concept of Torque Revisited)

Try to think about ejecting particles with the speed of light by help of electricity (from solar panels). This will be the drive to fly to other planets in our solar system. But it will still not be enough to fly to other stars. To fly to other stars you have to overcome the speed of light barrier.

This brings me to another great misunderstanding often observed in this forum:

The fact that no macroscopic object can fly faster than the speed of light is not a "law" dreamed up by scientist. It is a "fact" observed by looking at nature. And the "law" was then formulated based on real observations. If some macroscopic objects are observed flying faster than the speed of light, the "law" will be revised. It is also not really a "law", it is a set of mathematical equations describing nature (as far as nature is understood today). And if you want to argue against this "law", you have to draw attention to some pretty good observations.

The same is true for all "laws" concerning gyroscopes. They were drawn up by observing nature without delusions.

Greetings, Conrad

Lunkster · « **Reply #8 on:** September 08, 2020, 04:57:40 AM »

We have all been taught that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. But how do we each interpret that to mean? When linear momentum is transferred into angular momentum, is it true that the reaction is equal and opposite at the same time? In the drawing, a person is using linear momentum and converting it into angular momentum. The question is if the reaction is in the opposite direction then how can the wheel rotate with angular momentum at the same time as having a linear reaction in the opposite reaction to keep the cart still in place. Even if there is a split between the momentum reactions, there is some movement in the wagon.
This demonstration needs to be replicated by someone in order to be valid. This is just a simple illustration that can have much better mechanical designs built using it to perform movement in space or several other movement applications.

The Lunkster

Lunkster · « **Reply #9 on:** September 15, 2020, 05:23:38 PM »

After reading the Rant inputs for the last hour, I thought it was time for another "Laugh of the Day"
The gravity motor is non-functional as a free energy device, BUT
The mechanism may be instrumental for moving permanent magnets into and out of motor systems.
The cam shaft is better at moving magnets straight in and out, but this movement has some vertical
along with horizontal movement in it.

Well, enjoy the laugh! Ha!, Ha!, Ha!

The Lunkster

Question of the day: How many prototype light bulbs did Edison build before he got it correct?
Making a free energy system is a lot harder than a light bulb, so keep up the hard work

kolbacict · « **Reply #10 on:** September 15, 2020, 06:39:12 PM »

Will the parameters of such a pendulum differ from an ordinary one?
the height to the support depends, as it were, on the position of the pendulum ...

Lunkster · « **Reply #11 on:** September 18, 2020, 04:52:57 PM »

The backside of the gravity drawing had a mechanically non-functional action with the hidden wheels working with the front side of the gravity wheel. Even though this is a non-functional gravity wheel, I had a hard time knowing I posted it that way. So I redesigned the backside of the gravity wheel so that the weight bearing brackets will move the way the front side of the gravity wheel shows it occuring.
Now the front side looks like it could work by just looking at the weight distribution. This is the optical illusion of gravity wheels. Now I have not performed an analysis of the forces in the gearing system that most likely cancels out any movement of the gravity wheel. But now I can look at the machine and know that the load bearing brackets will be where they should be during the rotation of the wheel. The brackets need to be designed with some kind of low friction devices like bearing assemblies to reduce the friction in the movement of them.
The gyro's are missing. I am sorry, but I have learned to much about gyro's that they operating with permission are not going to change the weight distribution on a gravity wheel. If there is some other technology that can change it's weight between the left side of the wheel compared to the right side of the wheel, then the wheel will turn. But it does not make sense to put put more energy into a device that changes it's weight from side to side compared to the energy one would get from the gravity wheel.

Now people have attempted to build a gravity wheel in conjunction with other forces like magnetism.
My first thoughts is that if you can not get one to work by itself them combining two together will not produce any different results.

I sure hopes someone can prove me wrong.

Lunkster

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