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Title: Allan's Transformer as a Generator
Post by: AllanV on August 26, 2020, 06:35:03 AM
Hi,
This could be off topic but the idea is that to make gains it is sometimes necessary to rehash some information.
Usually it is best to stand back and not get involved but over the years many individuals tend to follow others down the rabbit hole and come up with nothing. Most can't get simple things right and then they take on the impossible FE dream. (for them)

Over unity of 10 watts is easily achieved but from testing and experimenting a gain of at least 2000x is possible. The correct and most simple method is the challenge.

What can be done with 10watts?
 
The idea is to produce greater power in two circuits by separately generating a much increased flux in the core.
This will reduce turns and the devices footprint and require minimal circuitry. Set up cost is small.

The magnetism that links two separate circuits, an input and an output, is insignificantly small and so is the power to make it.
Some technical information on transformers reads that the flux in the core depends on the voltage applied to the windings, the frequency but not the current the transformer is delivering.

In a transformer - Pressure (voltage) and rate of change (frequency) produces the flux.

In a generator acting on one winding it is the rate of change and the strength of the field. There is a lot of opposition.

In a two winding situation it would be applying more AT in one winding in a 1/4 cycle and then more AT in the other in the next 1/4 cycle. This produces large currents which when increasing diminish magnetism and decreasing makes the flux. The flux is present with almost no current.

The transformer core is NOT involved in limiting the power delivered. Heat in the winding and voltage drop is the limiting factor.
This is written by technical people who make and build equipment but not necessarily FE advocates. 

A method has been developed to get more magnetism into the core with very little opposing voltage. From some testing and experimentation and understanding transformer action it is possible. Doing this does not involve the power in the input or output.

When a short or overload occurs on the secondary winding an installed fuse will blow, but not always. The huge increase in the magnetic field and the resulting voltage spike can damage equipment.
A transformer can have a gap up to 1mm with a strong magnetic field present is inefficient and produces less output.

The difference is the short produces magnetism that occurs from two currents slightly out of phase while flowing in opposite directions. The output current is lagging as a driven circuit, slightly more than usual. The extra flux produced is taking minimal power from the circuits. Also the output in a usual condition dampens the magnetic field, regulating and allowing more input current.

The transformer operates something like a car differential and the pinion movement indicates magnetism. If the wheels move together in the same direction the pinion spins and when they are opposite and equal the pinion is stationary. Anything in between, one wheel turning faster than it should at that moment in time will turn the pinion by some amount.

When two currents flow in the same direction they add together to make a large field and there is the most opposition and saturation can occur. By setting up the condition of a bias to produce more amp turns in one winding than the other as the currents go in opposite directions it is possible to use voltage to force more current to produce flux in the core. Therefore not by getting the currents more out of phase but rather using AT more magnetism is produced.

There is a tendency to overdo the amount required.

The problem that exists is that with a strong field very few heavy turns are required for power.  A resonant filter smooths the AC but at 50 hertz this is cumbersome with few turns.
Title: Re: Alan's Transformer as a Generator
Post by: AllanV on August 27, 2020, 05:45:05 AM
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Title: Re: Alan's Transformer as a Generator
Post by: onepower on August 27, 2020, 08:09:34 AM
AllenV
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Over unity of 10 watts is easily achieved but from testing and experimenting a gain of at least 2000x is possible. The correct and most simple method is the challenge. What can be done with 10watts?

Ah, a newcomer, welcome. Few here have a clue what your talking about but some do so it's cool.
 
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The idea is to produce greater power in two circuits by separately generating a much increased flux in the core.
This will reduce turns and the devices footprint and require minimal circuitry. Set up cost is small.

It stands to reason that an increase in flux, the magnitude of the magnetic field change increases the power transferred between two circuit elements however we cannot create something from nothing only use what is present. Begging the question what is present?.   

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The magnetism that links two separate circuits, an input and an output, is insignificantly small and so is the power to make it.
Some technical information on transformers reads that the flux in the core depends on the voltage applied to the windings, the frequency but not the current the transformer is delivering.

The magnetism that links the two circuits is normally proportional to only the current input which produces the magnetic field change which induces the secondary. This is true because the input voltage(electrical pressure) is what drives the current (the flow of electrons) which produces the field change. Frequency is simply a change in the flow of current dependent on the applied electrical pressure not something in itself but a result of something.

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In a transformer - Pressure (voltage) and rate of change (frequency) produces the flux.

Yes, however it is the pressure (voltage or difference in potential) which causes a current (the flow of electrons) and both produce a change at a specific rate we call the frequency. The frequency does not produce a magnetic field or flux the current does due to the applied differential pressure or voltage.

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In a generator acting on one winding it is the rate of change and the strength of the field. There is a lot of opposition.

Agreed, the opposition is Lenz Law and it is dependent on the "magnitude of change" encompassing both the rate and magnitude of change as both represent a change in something present. Here we should understand the totality of it, any change in any element effects every other thing thus there is a dependency in some respects.

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In a two winding situation it would be applying more AT in one winding in a 1/4 cycle and then more AT in the other in the next 1/4 cycle. This produces large currents which when increasing diminish magnetism and decreasing makes the flux. The flux is present with almost no current.

Not normally, the magnetism is dependent on the current, which is dependent on the applied electrical pressure which produced the current. The cycle is simply a graphical or numerical representation of where the pressure and flow are dictating where the field strength is at any given moment. We must first understand cause to then understand effect. We should not be attributing virtues to an effect in itself without understanding the cause first and foremost.

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The transformer core is NOT involved in limiting the power delivered. Heat in the winding and voltage drop is the limiting factor.
This is written by technical people who make and build equipment but not necessarily FE advocates.

Agreed, however do you know what really intrigued me?. I could not seem to understand the concept of a voltage drop. Why a drop, for what reason, what is the mechanism, why does it occur?. It was only when I understood why it dropped that I also began to understand the conditions in which is could rise. One of those Eureka moments...

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A method has been developed to get more magnetism into the core with very little opposing voltage. From some testing and experimentation and understanding transformer action it is possible. Doing this does not involve the power in the input or output.

Agreed, it's not the input nor output but what happens in between the two.

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When a short or overload occurs on the secondary winding an installed fuse will blow, but not always. The huge increase in the magnetic field and the resulting voltage spike can damage equipment.
A transformer can have a gap up to 1mm with a strong magnetic field present is inefficient and produces less output.

Agreed to some extent, the gap in the core or an open core which I prefer opens the field and can cause inefficiency. However by opening the field it also opens up other possibilities such as induction of multiple circuit elements. When we close the core we close the number of possibilities to induce other elements do we not?.
 
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The difference is the short produces magnetism that occurs from two currents slightly out of phase while flowing in opposite directions. The output current is lagging as a driven circuit, slightly more than usual. The extra flux produced is taking minimal power from the circuits. Also the output in a usual condition dampens the magnetic field, regulating and allowing more input current.

Ah, the input/output field dilemma, been there done that. The best lesson I ever learned in this respect was from Faraday's lectures and we should understand the magnetic field is a product or result of something, it is finite. We input X energy and the result is X change as a field change. There is no getting around it otherwise were creating something from nothing which was never present. Pick your fight, the result is always after the fact and what your looking for is the cause.

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The transformer operates something like a car differential and the pinion movement indicates magnetism. If the wheels move together in the same direction the pinion spins and when they are opposite and equal the pinion is stationary. Anything in between, one wheel turning faster than it should at that moment in time will turn the pinion by some amount.

Actually you have it backwards and I have rebuilt/fixed more than a few rear ends sometimes at 3am, at -25 C in the middle of a blizzard... long story. The pinion is the driver off the drive shaft which turns the ring gear, attached to the ring gear is the spider gears which only turn when there is a difference in rotation between the axles. So no Electro-Magnetism is nothing like a differential and that's a very bad analogy.

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When two currents flow in the same direction they add together to make a large field and there is the most opposition and saturation can occur. By setting up the condition of a bias to produce more amp turns in one winding than the other as the currents go in opposite directions it is possible to use voltage to force more current to produce flux in the core. Therefore not by getting the currents more out of phase but rather using AT more magnetism is produced.

Hmm, agreed I think. Now your finally getting into the crux of this matter and I suspect most have no idea what your seeing. It generally starts as a discrepancy, looking at the the big picture and thinking this doesn't add up. You have this image of something but the pieces are fragmented and your not sure how they fit together yet. I'm not exactly sure why it happens in some people and not others. Some are always imagining the future and some are stuck in the past I suppose.

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There is a tendency to overdo the amount required.
The problem that exists is that with a strong field very few heavy turns are required for power.  A resonant filter smooths the AC but at 50 hertz this is cumbersome with few turns.

So far as I can figure, some in the past did this with basically no turns and with great induced power. Which begs the question what kind of induction they were using, what is the true cause, to what end?. It would seem we have many questions and few answers.

Regards
Title: Re: Alan's Transformer as a Generator
Post by: AllanV on August 27, 2020, 11:59:44 PM
AllenV
Ah, a newcomer, welcome. Few here have a clue what your talking about but some do so it's cool.
 
It stands to reason that an increase in flux, the magnitude of the magnetic field change increases the power transferred between two circuit elements however we cannot create something from nothing only use what is present. Begging the question what is present?.   

The magnetism that links the two circuits is normally proportional to only the current input which produces the magnetic field change which induces the secondary. This is true because the input voltage(electrical pressure) is what drives the current (the flow of electrons) which produces the field change. Frequency is simply a change in the flow of current dependent on the applied electrical pressure not something in itself but a result of something.


Not normally, the magnetism is dependent on the current, which is dependent on the applied electrical pressure which produced the current. The cycle is simply a graphical or numerical representation of where the pressure and flow are dictating where the field strength is at any given moment. We must first understand cause to then understand effect. We should not be attributing virtues to an effect in itself without understanding the cause first and foremost.

Agreed, however do you know what really intrigued me?. I could not seem to understand the concept of a voltage drop. Why a drop, for what reason, what is the mechanism, why does it occur?. It was only when I understood why it dropped that I also began to understand the conditions in which is could rise. One of those Eureka moments...

Agreed, it's not the input nor output but what happens in between the two.

Ah, the input/output field dilemma, been there done that. The best lesson I ever learned in this respect was from Faraday's lectures and we should understand the magnetic field is a product or result of something, it is finite. We input X energy and the result is X change as a field change. There is no getting around it otherwise were creating something from nothing which was never present. Pick your fight, the result is always after the fact and what your looking for is the cause.

Actually you have it backwards and I have rebuilt/fixed more than a few rear ends sometimes at 3am, at -25 C in the middle of a blizzard... long story. The pinion is the driver off the drive shaft which turns the ring gear, attached to the ring gear is the spider gears which only turn when there is a difference in rotation between the axles. So no Electro-Magnetism is nothing like a differential and that's a very bad analogy.

Hmm, agreed I think. Now your finally getting into the crux of this matter and I suspect most have no idea what your seeing. It generally starts as a discrepancy, looking at the the big picture and thinking this doesn't add up. You have this image of something but the pieces are fragmented and your not sure how they fit together yet. I'm not exactly sure why it happens in some people and not others. Some are always imagining the future and some are stuck in the past I suppose.

So far as I can figure, some in the past did this with basically no turns and with great induced power. Which begs the question what kind of induction they were using, what is the true cause, to what end?. It would seem we have many questions and few answers.

Regards


Hi, thanks for the reply. 

Many go after free energy and if it is possible the best way to generate power is in a transformer action. The transformer is reasonably good and the larger devices can be up to 99% evidently. 1kw losses in 100Kw.

A diagram in a Motorola switch mode power supply book showed the set up to test for saturation. Through experimenting it was realized a transformer was operated just slightly above the residual field that exists with no current at all. When DC was alternated by hand on the primary winding of a transformer, the analogue meter pointer deflection on the secondary was good. If DC of the same direction was pulsed there was a very small deflection.
The transition by the residual field from one polarity to the other was the best for output and is how a transformer operates.

But the residual field is creating the opposition with the opposing current on top of it as well. Much more voltage and a much larger device is used than is actually necessary. The sine wave is a modulating effect and produces a tiny magnetic field that draws large currents, and this effect can be used in another way altogether.

Electric motors are the same. By modulating the magnetic flux they are designed to draw as much current as possible from a generator. Obviously this is so the power can be metered and billed.     

By testing an 80 watt transformer it was determined that only 0.9volt DC and 0.035A (80W/0.032W= 1/2500) was required to make the magnetic field.

The Motorola test showed that the actual saturation was occurring at such a low point on the graph to be almost nothing.

The question then was how to get passed the sticking point where magnetism will not exceed an amount determined by the core.

Why is it impossible to get magnetism into the core as fast as it collapses and is removed?

First: A gap or open core will help to break the residual field.

Second: Two winding currents interacting together can immediately strongly magnetize the core and as quickly as it is removed. 

Third: There is a sticking point that once passed allows all the current in one winding to appear directly as magnetism in the core. 

Four: There is a practical limit only. 

I think the differential analogy is very good. Just forget about it being in a vehicle. If a a couple of novices with a little intelligence, lifted the vehicles drive wheels off the ground, with a transformer winding drawing in front of them and some arrows, they should figure it out.

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    In a two winding situation it would be applying more AT in one winding in a 1/4 cycle and then more AT in the other in the next 1/4 cycle. This produces large currents which when increasing diminish magnetism and decreasing makes the flux. The flux is present with almost no current.
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"Not normally, the magnetism is dependent on the current, which is dependent on the applied electrical pressure which produced the current. The cycle is simply a graphical or numerical representation of where the pressure and flow are dictating where the field strength is at any given moment. We must first understand cause to then understand effect. We should not be attributing virtues to an effect in itself without understanding the cause first and foremost."

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When current is maximum in a transformer there is no magnetism because there are two windings of equal and opposite AT and they cancel out. Some experimenting with an 80watt transformer shows that 1/2500th of the power is in the mag field. The small current needed is greatest at maximum voltage where for one tiny instant the currents add together before they both change direction for the next half cycle. Conditions change every quarter cycle.
By vectors magnetizing current makes a small to no difference on the power circuit.

The text books give the wrong impression and when younger I could pick up mistakes in them. The different authors were copying each other almost word for word. They were not doing or not understanding the experiments and it was theoretical only.

I appreciate your feed back. It focuses my thinking.

Thanks, regards,

Allan
Title: Re: Alan's Transformer as a Generator
Post by: onepower on August 28, 2020, 07:40:44 AM
AllenV
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When current is maximum in a transformer there is no magnetism because there are two windings of equal and opposite AT and they cancel out. Some experimenting with an 80watt transformer shows that 1/2500th of the power is in the mag field. The small current needed is greatest at maximum voltage where for one tiny instant the currents add together before they both change direction for the next half cycle. Conditions change every quarter cycle.
By vectors magnetizing current makes a small to no difference on the power circuit.

When I studied transformer action I measured input/output current and voltage as well as internal/external magnetic and electric field strengths. All these variables were measured in real time then plotted graphically with engineering software called Labview. What was also neat was being able to plot all the actual field based rates of change to any other measure as they change at different rates. Which is how I know that when input current is maximum the magnetism is also maximum regardless of the number of turns or turns ratio.

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Why is it impossible to get magnetism into the core as fast as it collapses and is removed?

That is a very good question most people wouldn't even know to ask however I did as well. The material is only 1% matter and 99% EM fields, so when we want to align the electron orbits producing a magnet we are acting against both the non-aligned electrons and the EM field they are immersed in. However on a field collapse the electron orbits don't have to move as far to become unaligned so it occurs faster. It's simply easier to create chaos than organization because the universe is inherently chaotic or dynamic on every level.

Understand when we say an electric current we mean electrons which carry a field moving in a conductor however when we say a magnetic field we mean something which interacts internal and external to the conductor. It interacts with the space it occupies and beyond it and many cannot wrap there mind around the concept that something is present in that space.

Which is why always working against nature is generally hard while working with it is easy. Which is also why we should never load the apparatus when generating a magnetic field only when allowing it to degenerate because the universe is acting with us not against us. It's just common sense isn't it?.

Regards

Title: Re: Alan's Transformer as a Generator
Post by: AllanV on August 29, 2020, 12:22:42 AM
AllenV
When I studied transformer action I measured input/output current and voltage as well as internal/external magnetic and electric field strengths. All these variables were measured in real time then plotted graphically with engineering software called Labview. What was also neat was being able to plot all the actual field based rates of change to any other measure as they change at different rates. Which is how I know that when input current is maximum the magnetism is also maximum regardless of the number of turns or turns ratio.

That is a very good question most people wouldn't even know to ask however I did as well. The material is only 1% matter and 99% EM fields, so when we want to align the electron orbits producing a magnet we are acting against both the non-aligned electrons and the EM field they are immersed in. However on a field collapse the electron orbits don't have to move as far to become unaligned so it occurs faster. It's simply easier to create chaos than organization because the universe is inherently chaotic or dynamic on every level.

Understand when we say an electric current we mean electrons which carry a field moving in a conductor however when we say a magnetic field we mean something which interacts internal and external to the conductor. It interacts with the space it occupies and beyond it and many cannot wrap there mind around the concept that something is present in that space.

Which is why always working against nature is generally hard while working with it is easy. Which is also why we should never load the apparatus when generating a magnetic field only when allowing it to degenerate because the universe is acting with us not against us. It's just common sense isn't it?.

Regards
Hi,

There is a problem with software and it is noted by some.

A bit more thinking it through is required. If current is maximum in the winding then it is not being reflected in the core. It is interacting with the other winding current which is opposite. They almost cancel each other out. The AT are only close to equal because there is slightly more current flowing in the output with a load because this dampens the field and regulates the input.
In transformer construction a 10% over wind is placed on the output winding to make allowances for the magnetic field effects created by a load that drop the voltage.
Wire resistance is considered as well. A 5% loss in each winding is usual and the size of the wire and of the transformer for a certain load is mostly to accommodate heat build up.

Current in the primary could be 1/7 of the load, just for the discussion, but is not all actually reflected in the flux of the core. 240volts on a winding instantaneously sees only the resistance and then as a tiny current begins to flow it takes one instant to establish the link with the core. The rate of change is close to exceeding what the core can accept and is about 80% on the way to saturating but is held in check. The residual magnetism has to be reset into the opposite polarity as well. The core area and material the windings wrap around determine what the transformer does.

The sum total is that the actual set up current in the primary without a load on the secondary is not all used to make the flux.
A 1.5 volt battery on the 240 volt winding is enough through the number of turns for magnetism to extend out of the core.
With a 80watt transformer at 0.9 volts DC and 0.0312A on the 240volt input, magnetism is not detected. With 240volt AC magnetism is not detected outside the core with even more current.

There is a residual magnetic field in the core material permanently but it changes polarity as the transformer operates. It  remains in a polarity direction at which ever part of the AC the circuit is switched off.
The input output currents push the flux just slightly above the residual. The current adds very little but drives down the flux into the opposite polarity and this gives the output.
There is only small power to make the magnetic effect. This can be worked out from another direction and they both agree.

If done correctly the magnet field can be created as quickly as it leaves in a transformer action. The two currents will set up a tension between them that allows more current to flow in one of the windings. The AT in the one winding directly make more flux in the core. This affects the voltage and current swings in both circuits.

There are some scriptures that indicate how everything is made.
The eternal, everlasting God who covers Himself with light as with a garment. We all live move and have our being in God.

God's covering is the binding of the atom, magnetism, gravity, light and He gives life also.
Everything is manifested instantly from nothing.

The planet and all creation is subject to decay, entropy, degeneration and death but does this mean that there are not ways to refine and build to overcome its effects.
In the future there is going to be regeneration and some will be immortal.

All the best,

Allan
   
   
Title: Re: Alan's Transformer as a Generator
Post by: onepower on August 31, 2020, 07:02:24 AM
Allenv
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A bit more thinking it through is required. If current is maximum in the winding then it is not being reflected in the core. It is interacting with the other winding current which is opposite. They almost cancel each other out. The AT are only close to equal because there is slightly more current flowing in the output with a load because this dampens the field and regulates the input.

Ah, I understand now. Coils with opposing turns, cancelling currents like partnerd coils and god is great... got it.
Jesus christ is there anyone left here who isn't mentally deranged or a Russian troll?.

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The planet and all creation is subject to decay, entropy, degeneration and death but does this mean that there are not ways to refine and build to overcome its effects. In the future there is going to be regeneration and some will be immortal.

No that is incorrect and Entropy (radiation) is always balanced by Syntropy (gravitation). Let's ask a preschool question everyone should know and if entropy dictates everything radiates outward then where in the hell do you think it goes?, uhm nowhere?. Well no that's retarded and it must go somewhere which is towards other planets and galaxies which they see as gravitating towards them. So you throw a ball at me radiating from you (Entropy) which I see as a ball gravitating towards me (Syntropy). It's not rocket science.

You see all I have to do is ask an intelligent question and your whole argument falls flat on it's face. So how do you get something from nothing exactly?. If something is created from nothing where did the stuff it's made of come from, nothing?... that's obviously bs and everyone knows it. So if I went to the bank and wrote a check for money I don't have and they knew it and I told them it would be created from nothing do you think they would believe me?. Well no they would probably start laughing hysterically and throw me out on my ass with good reason because ... you can't get something from nothing.

Although I have to give you credit and you did have me going until you brought up the god/creation nonsense but then it all fell apart in my opinion. Let me put it this way, I know you may think you have some credibility speaking of creation because it's popular however this is not true in reality.

Regards
Title: Re: Alan's Transformer as a Generator
Post by: AllanV on August 31, 2020, 11:13:42 PM
Allenv
Ah, I understand now. Coils with opposing turns, cancelling currents like partnerd coils and god is great... got it.
Jesus christ is there anyone left here who isn't mentally deranged or a Russian troll?.

No that is incorrect and Entropy (radiation) is always balanced by Syntropy (gravitation). Let's ask a preschool question everyone should know and if entropy dictates everything radiates outward then where in the hell do you think it goes?, uhm nowhere?. Well no that's retarded and it must go somewhere which is towards other planets and galaxies which they see as gravitating towards them. So you throw a ball at me radiating from you (Entropy) which I see as a ball gravitating towards me (Syntropy). It's not rocket science.

You see all I have to do is ask an intelligent question and your whole argument falls flat on it's face. So how do you get something from nothing exactly?. If something is created from nothing where did the stuff it's made of come from, nothing?... that's obviously bs and everyone knows it. So if I went to the bank and wrote a check for money I don't have and they knew it and I told them it would be created from nothing do you think they would believe me?. Well no they would probably start laughing hysterically and throw me out on my ass with good reason because ... you can't get something from nothing.

Although I have to give you credit and you did have me going until you brought up the god/creation nonsense but then it all fell apart in my opinion. Let me put it this way, I know you may think you have some credibility speaking of creation because it's popular however this is not true in reality.

Regards

Hi, how about spelling my name correctly.

All the best,

Allan
Title: Re: Alan's Transformer as a Generator
Post by: AllanV on August 31, 2020, 11:58:47 PM
Allenv
Ah, I understand now. Coils with opposing turns, cancelling currents like partnerd coils and god is great... got it.
Jesus christ is there anyone left here who isn't mentally deranged or a Russian troll?.

No that is incorrect and Entropy (radiation) is always balanced by Syntropy (gravitation). Let's ask a preschool question everyone should know and if entropy dictates everything radiates outward then where in the hell do you think it goes?, uhm nowhere?. Well no that's retarded and it must go somewhere which is towards other planets and galaxies which they see as gravitating towards them. So you throw a ball at me radiating from you (Entropy) which I see as a ball gravitating towards me (Syntropy). It's not rocket science.

You see all I have to do is ask an intelligent question and your whole argument falls flat on it's face. So how do you get something from nothing exactly?. If something is created from nothing where did the stuff it's made of come from, nothing?... that's obviously bs and everyone knows it. So if I went to the bank and wrote a check for money I don't have and they knew it and I told them it would be created from nothing do you think they would believe me?. Well no they would probably start laughing hysterically and throw me out on my ass with good reason because ... you can't get something from nothing.

Although I have to give you credit and you did have me going until you brought up the god/creation nonsense but then it all fell apart in my opinion. Let me put it this way, I know you may think you have some credibility speaking of creation because it's popular however this is not true in reality.

Regards

Hi, Your comments would be easy to slide past and ignore but I can tell you what happened to me.

I purchased some land with my wife, we had saved enough to pay cash, and we lived there for two years without power or phone and at first no road. We had money in the bank and did not need payed employment for a while. There were few bills.

While doing some woodwork a dream from the previous night came to mind and then an energy enveloped me and I was lifted out of my biology. The mind of an immortal was experienced and it was as though I then was able to think from this mind. Many concepts were revealed. The power of what happened was very strong and it definitely got my attention. There is a God and he knows each of us by how we do not measure up and we are immersed in His Spirit. Our biology and the mind we think from is flawed and everyone degenerates in tune with the planet. We rust from the inside as we see it happening around us. It leads to final death for us as humans. And it is all in the mind.

There was some UFO activity at that time all though this was unknown to me as I had no interest in it.

I was shown a concept of energy that showed how developed gradients in the space around and object could lead to dimensional travel. Because the human mind is developed from biological experience with flaws that lead to death, the effects of these fields are harmful. The magnetic effect around a conductor carrying a current when understood is an example. The planets progression in relation to the sun shows a spiral of energy and the gradient principle. The earth is fixed in space by it relationship within the solar system but could easily be dimensionally shifted.  This is how the earth changes its position now. We understand mass and inertia the way we do because we are biological.

I have an engineering background which involves much work and schooling, went tramping, and there was not much time left until the property was purchased. It was the first pause in my 26 years and I was in my Bliss when the experience occurred. Not so much for my wife because there was a baby that took her attention.

For three years I was deeply connected with the mind that was giving me details about many things.
But I eventually shook it off, a little fear was noticed at that moment. I then got on with my life.

It was part of the package that I received in my mind from outside of it that lead me to research energy and the efficiency of prime movers.
The more that it is looked into the worse it gets.

All the best,

Allan
Title: Re: Alan's Transformer as a Generator
Post by: AllanV on September 01, 2020, 12:01:30 AM
Hi,

There is only one way to get an FE increase and that is from the cheaply created flux change of a transformer action.
Most inventions that get a gain use it to some extent. But many fail to optimize the effect. The best inventions would never be seen.
There are a few variations but the more common used 50Hertz 240 volt power source is convenient. Or charge a battery and use conventional sine wave inverters.

An ordinary transformer with two low volt outputs will show the principle. I have a transformer that has two 15volt outputs and each has a 12volt tapping. Use a variable voltage source on the 240volt input to orientate the outputs.  The outputs are connected together. Connect one end and get a voltage across it and the other output is oriented the same way so that there is no voltage difference between them.
DC will flow through, +ve in and to their connection on one end out the other winding to -neg.

These will be very low resistance.

Disconnect the variable voltage source on the 240 volt winding and keep it well away. This winding will not be used.

A resistor is required when DC is sent through the two 15 volt windings, remember they are connected together at one end only. The current should be limited to the maximum rated on each winding.

The magnetic effect will cancel out. Change the +ve connection to the 12 volt tap on one winding a flux is created. Next change the connection back to the 15volt on that winding at the same time the connection is made to the 12 volt tap on the other 15 volt winding at the -neg end.   

The magnetic flux has made an excursion through a complete change in orientation.

A piece of sheet metal will be attracted to the core when there is flux in the core if the best resistor is .

If the speed of the change is fast enough a voltage could be read on the 240 volt input but this is not where to get the power out.
An 80 watt 240volt 50 hertz transformer has 0.032Watt DC equivalent link between two windings, the input and output, which is 1/2500th of the 80 watt load power.

Draw a sine wave on a piece of paper and then draw another one close beside it and it becomes obvious. Maximum voltage occurs when currents are zero, almost, no voltage occurs with maximum current and this is where the flux changes. The currents take turns leading.

Each side of the sine wave is like DC, but voltage needs to be stored and then applied to drive down the flux which increases current to maximum on the other side of the sine wave.

It is so simple it can make your eyes water.

regards,

Allan
Title: Re: Alan's Transformer as a Generator
Post by: AllanV on September 02, 2020, 08:20:33 AM
Hi,

An ordinary transformer with two low volt outputs will show the principle. I have a transformer that has two 15volt outputs and each has a 12volt tapping. Use a variable voltage source on the 240volt input to orientate the outputs.  The outputs are connected together. Connect one end and get a voltage across it and the other output is oriented the same way so that there is no voltage difference between them.
DC will flow through, +ve in and to their connection on one end out the other winding to -neg.

These will be very low resistance.

Disconnect the variable voltage source on the 240 volt winding and keep it well away. This winding will not be used.

A resistor is required when DC is sent through the two 15 volt windings, remember they are connected together at one end only. The current should be limited to the maximum rated on each winding.

The magnetic effect will cancel out. Change the +ve connection to the 12 volt tap on one winding a flux is created. Next change the connection back to the 15volt on that winding at the same time the connection is made to the 12 volt tap on the other 15 volt winding at the -neg end.   

The magnetic flux has made an excursion through a complete change in orientation.

A piece of sheet metal will be attracted to the core when there is flux in the core if the best resistor is .

If the speed of the change is fast enough a voltage could be read on the 240 volt input but this is not where to get the power out.
An 80 watt 240volt 50 hertz transformer has 0.032Watt DC equivalent link between two windings, the input and output, which is 1/2500th of the 80 watt load power.


I forgot to mention the windings in the transformer have a resistance of 0.1ohm and only 0.3volts is necessary to get 3 amps to flow. 3 amps through 15turns is 45AT and may not be enough to feel magnetism outside the core. The idea would be to supply a pulse on the connection to increase the amps in one winding and this will improve the AT dramatically. In 75 turns 0.5A would be plenty. The pulse would need to change current direction with the change in the connections of the input.

As the flux increases more voltage is required to push current. 

regards,

Allan
Title: Re: Alan's Transformer as a Generator
Post by: leonelogb on September 05, 2020, 07:54:54 PM
Hi AllanV thank you for share your Transformer as a Generator

There are several things I would like to know.
a) In the upper left of the diagram ... Are you using the triac to discharge the capacitor? . what is doing that other coil that is parallel to the 300t? please give more details of each item used.
B) Are they two separate transformers? (I guess so), what kind of transformer are they?(E I..?), can you put a photo please.
C) how much energy have you been able to get out of that transformer and is it using at home?
Your answers will be very helpful to warm me up this winter ...  ;D ;D ;D

God bless you!

Other thin..
Fernandez in other thread, He teach something similar, check it.
https://overunity.com/17535/kapanadze-stepanov-barbosa-leal-and-the-secret-of-free-energy/msg517669/#msg517669
Title: Re: Alan's Transformer as a Generator
Post by: AllanV on September 06, 2020, 12:53:03 AM
Hi AllanV thank you for share your Transformer as a Generator

There are several things I would like to know.
a) In the upper left of the diagram ... Are you using the triac to discharge the capacitor? . what is doing that other coil that is parallel to the 300t? please give more details of each item used.
B) Are they two separate transformers? (I guess so), what kind of transformer are they?(E I..?), can you put a photo please.
C) how much energy have you been able to get out of that transformer and is it using at home?
Your answers will be very helpful to warm me up this winter ...  ;D ;D ;D

God bless you!

Other thin..
Fernandez in other thread, He teach something similar, check it.
https://overunity.com/17535/kapanadze-stepanov-barbosa-leal-and-the-secret-of-free-energy/msg517669/#msg517669
Hi leonelogb,

Thanks for your reply. I looked at the link you provided and they appear to be over doing what is required.

The sine wave drawing shows how, as the currents in two windings change in relation to each other, they produce flux. First in one polarity direction and then the other. Draw a sine wave with another one just beside it and show the voltage as well. Think about it for a while.
For one instant the currents are equal and opposite and also one current is always able to maintain the flux in the transition to the next half wave.
Voltage occurs at maximum flux when the currents have been forced to a stop. And then voltage is necessary to drive more current in one winding to diminish the flux for maximum current where flux polarity change begins to happen.

By passing current around in a circle a tension is created between the transformer 300 and 330 turn windings and then more current can be passed through one winding to further increase AT. No more than 15% difference max otherwise there is saturation and the current increases faster than the flux in the iron can keep up. It may prove to be less but a resistor can make up the difference.
It is possible to get flux into the core as fast as it disappears because a transformer operates just above the residual field with no current at all. There is a sticking point to get passed.

This action needs to be understood because this understanding will help to configure a device to inject a little energy into the build up of flux.
There is only a small dampening of the flux in a transformer with a load current. The flux and the decrease by dampening will have to be put into the transformer, the resonant input and the load will do the rest.


The drawing of the actual circuit isn't totally correct. But it has all the elements. Some knowledge is required and involves a few different abilities, coil winding, electrical and electronics with some understanding of how a transformer operates. It is cheaper to use junked parts as long as they are in good condition.

a)  In this configuration a triac is being used to discharge a capacitor, but would be too strong. It is being used to force a small amount of extra current in one winding to diminishes the flux and increase current. The small inductor is a transformer with two windings with one about 15% more turns. It needs heavy wire. One winding is on the driver circuit the other on the driven load circuit. The bigger inductor below the main transformer, is more of a dampening device, has uneven turns, and will force even more current to flow making more AT in conjunction with the capacitor.

B) It is one transformer with two windings E I 15% difference in turns.

C) I only use 80watts continuous at my house and have a wood burner but intend to stop using it. I am making a supply at the moment to produce up to 5Kw. My welder needs at least 7KW. The core area is 5cmx5cm wide window but it may be over built. I have accumulated lots of large transformers of good condition and re-use these to keep the cost down. They have to be taken apart.

Understanding how a transformer works in its simple form is important.
Input 180 degrees shifted from the output with a driver driven situation, with a smaller shift that is often disregarded and is considered of no consequence in any calculations. Very few books make reference to it. With equal turns the output shows more current and it relates to this smaller shift and is very small but measurable.

When a load is on a transformer the flux strength is diminished by about 10% therefore there is an over wind of 10% to make up the voltage. Of course the turns ratio now means the output current is less than the input.

The situation can be likened to two DC circuits of opposite directions, each in half a cycle. Voltage is necessary to make the transition from one side of the sine wave to the other in a full cycle. The sine wave drawing indicates how it should happen.
Large current will flow unless the set up makes the transition where the smallest current produces voltage. This is where the current changes direction.
But of course the idea is to only use transformer action to make up the loss in flux caused by a load circuit current.

The example of the 80watt transformer would mean the power to make up the decrease would only be a small amount. When tested the transformer flux needs about 0.032 watt DC equivalent (1/2500th) therefore it only needs about 10% of this (0.0032watt).
This amount is so small that it is easy to over do what is required and difficult to comprehend.

In the 5Kw transformer generator, there is a gap in the core, the magnetic circuit, of 1mm that is a 0.5mm shim, this means a little more power will be required to produce the flux.

With 300 + 30 input and 300 + 30 output,  a resonant circuit is created on one winding and eventually with a series winding of a smaller transformer that is wound to have 15% turns difference. The other side of this transformer, the fewer turns, is in series with the load circuit. This transformer is there to keep the currents going in opposite directions with slightly more in the load circuit.
The input is first powered up with a variable voltage source through a capacitor to get the best voltage in the input circuit without the smaller transformer.  The other series capacitor value can be found through testing. Install the smaller series transformer with a load of a 100 watt light bulb, on the out put.

The idea now is to pass a current through another completely isolated circuit to make up the dampening effect on the flux with the output load current. The transition from one pole direction to the other produces the best output.  Ampere turns is used to make each circuit and this will first increase and then diminish the flux.
Some added voltage is necessary to reduce the flux but a voltage is created when two currents of different amounts come to a stop with the increase to maximum flux.
A dual inverter circuit is needed. Just a simple timer and 4017 four output configured decade counter is necessary. The voltage to the driver mosfets is changed not the pulse width.

Your skill level is unknown and I could go through a build, step by step as I make the larger 5Kw.
The best heater could be the one that uses fluid adhesion to build heat. There are stationary discs and discs on a shaft with 1mm to 1.5mm spacing between them, driven at slow revolutions in oil. All contained and supposed to have a COP of 5. Electric motors can be optimized to use less power. The AC motor is designed to use as much power as possible.

It is always easier with pictures and it will help if you draw it all out. It is best to just work out the AT to make it easier.

All the best,

Allan
   
Title: Re: Alan's Transformer as a Generator
Post by: leonelogb on September 06, 2020, 06:55:41 PM
Thank you very much for your reply, I appreciate that.
For me it is very difficult to understand only with words everything that you have done, but I think I am very close to understanding, I can compare it to Stanley Mayer's with two opposite coils and one of them is adjustable.
I also have several transformers that I would like to disassemble and put one of them in reverse but that has been very difficult, but I keep working on it.
I am looking for the best way to feed my house with F.E. as you have done but I wait for God's time, I know, I will get it.
Thank you!

Hi leonelogb,

Thanks for your reply. I looked at the link you provided and they appear to be over doing what is required.

The sine wave drawing shows how, as the currents in two windings change in relation to each other, they produce flux. First in one polarity direction and then the other. Draw a sine wave with another one just beside it and show the voltage as well. Think about it for a while.
For one instant the currents are equal and opposite and also one current is always able to maintain the flux in the transition to the next half wave.
Voltage occurs at maximum flux when the currents have been forced to a stop. And then voltage is necessary to drive more current in one winding to diminish the flux for maximum current where flux polarity change begins to happen.

By passing current around in a circle a tension is created between the transformer 300 and 330 turn windings and then more current can be passed through one winding to further increase AT. No more than 15% difference max otherwise there is saturation and the current increases faster than the flux in the iron can keep up. It may prove to be less but a resistor can make up the difference.
It is possible to get flux into the core as fast as it disappears because a transformer operates just above the residual field with no current at all. There is a sticking point to get passed.

This action needs to be understood because this understanding will help to configure a device to inject a little energy into the build up of flux.
There is only a small dampening of the flux in a transformer with a load current. The flux and the decrease by dampening will have to be put into the transformer, the resonant input and the load will do the rest.


The drawing of the actual circuit isn't totally correct. But it has all the elements. Some knowledge is required and involves a few different abilities, coil winding, electrical and electronics with some understanding of how a transformer operates. It is cheaper to use junked parts as long as they are in good condition.

a)  In this configuration a triac is being used to discharge a capacitor, but would be too strong. It is being used to force a small amount of extra current in one winding to diminishes the flux and increase current. The small inductor is a transformer with two windings with one about 15% more turns. It needs heavy wire. One winding is on the driver circuit the other on the driven load circuit. The bigger inductor below the main transformer, is more of a dampening device, has uneven turns, and will force even more current to flow making more AT in conjunction with the capacitor.

B) It is one transformer with two windings E I 15% difference in turns.

C) I only use 80watts continuous at my house and have a wood burner but intend to stop using it. I am making a supply at the moment to produce up to 5Kw. My welder needs at least 7KW. The core area is 5cmx5cm wide window but it may be over built. I have accumulated lots of large transformers of good condition and re-use these to keep the cost down. They have to be taken apart.

Understanding how a transformer works in its simple form is important.
Input 180 degrees shifted from the output with a driver driven situation, with a smaller shift that is often disregarded and is considered of no consequence in any calculations. Very few books make reference to it. With equal turns the output shows more current and it relates to this smaller shift and is very small but measurable.

When a load is on a transformer the flux strength is diminished by about 10% therefore there is an over wind of 10% to make up the voltage. Of course the turns ratio now means the output current is less than the input.

The situation can be likened to two DC circuits of opposite directions, each in half a cycle. Voltage is necessary to make the transition from one side of the sine wave to the other in a full cycle. The sine wave drawing indicates how it should happen.
Large current will flow unless the set up makes the transition where the smallest current produces voltage. This is where the current changes direction.
But of course the idea is to only use transformer action to make up the loss in flux caused by a load circuit current.

The example of the 80watt transformer would mean the power to make up the decrease would only be a small amount. When tested the transformer flux needs about 0.032 watt DC equivalent (1/2500th) therefore it only needs about 10% of this (0.0032watt).
This amount is so small that it is easy to over do what is required and difficult to comprehend.

In the 5Kw transformer generator, there is a gap in the core, the magnetic circuit, of 1mm that is a 0.5mm shim, this means a little more power will be required to produce the flux.

With 300 + 30 input and 300 + 30 output,  a resonant circuit is created on one winding and eventually with a series winding of a smaller transformer that is wound to have 15% turns difference. The other side of this transformer, the fewer turns, is in series with the load circuit. This transformer is there to keep the currents going in opposite directions with slightly more in the load circuit.
The input is first powered up with a variable voltage source through a capacitor to get the best voltage in the input circuit without the smaller transformer.  The other series capacitor value can be found through testing. Install the smaller series transformer with a load of a 100 watt light bulb, on the out put.

The idea now is to pass a current through another completely isolated circuit to make up the dampening effect on the flux with the output load current. The transition from one pole direction to the other produces the best output.  Ampere turns is used to make each circuit and this will first increase and then diminish the flux.
Some added voltage is necessary to reduce the flux but a voltage is created when two currents of different amounts come to a stop with the increase to maximum flux.
A dual inverter circuit is needed. Just a simple timer and 4017 four output configured decade counter is necessary. The voltage to the driver mosfets is changed not the pulse width.

Your skill level is unknown and I could go through a build, step by step as I make the larger 5Kw.
The best heater could be the one that uses fluid adhesion to build heat. There are stationary discs and discs on a shaft with 1mm to 1.5mm spacing between them, driven at slow revolutions in oil. All contained and supposed to have a COP of 5. Electric motors can be optimized to use less power. The AC motor is designed to use as much power as possible.

It is always easier with pictures and it will help if you draw it all out. It is best to just work out the AT to make it easier.

All the best,

Allan
 
Title: Re: Alan's Transformer as a Generator
Post by: AllanV on September 06, 2020, 10:40:47 PM
Thank you very much for your reply, I appreciate that.
For me it is very difficult to understand only with words everything that you have done, but I think I am very close to understanding, I can compare it to Stanley Mayer's with two opposite coils and one of them is adjustable.
I also have several transformers that I would like to disassemble and put one of them in reverse but that has been very difficult, but I keep working on it.
I am looking for the best way to feed my house with F.E. as you have done but I wait for God's time, I know, I will get it.
Thank you!

Hi leonelogb,

It is not like Meyer's circuit.

Some transformers are more difficult than others but EI cores can be purchased.
A transformer could be purchased but it could be difficult to get apart.
A two winding output say 50v x 50v could give about 250 turns on each, add another  2 x 15%  = 37turns. that would be 250 + 37 for each. Or 50v + 7.5v.

Look at the sine wave drawing of the currents and what is required is to make a floating supply to increase and decrease the flux. By putting currents through a different number of windings 250 + 37 on one side and then only 250 on the other then if two ampere flows there is 2 x 37 AT = 74AT. The current must flow in one side and out the other. Then immediately the current must flow in the opposite winding 250 on one side and 250 + 37 on the other. This will create the most current for the least voltage. The magnetism has gone through one cycle with one half wave similar to DC.

Try building a DC circuit only.   
Title: Re: Alan's Transformer as a Generator
Post by: seychelles on September 07, 2020, 01:30:50 PM
SO ARE YOU STIPULATING THAT THERE ARE THREE TRANSFORMERS.
Title: Re: Alan's Transformer as a Generator
Post by: leonelogb on September 07, 2020, 02:05:56 PM
My friend Thank you, I thing that I got the whole idea now, I have the transformer as I told you. The hard part will be making the gap, anyway I'll try to do this today God willing. Thanks!
Title: Re: Alan's Transformer as a Generator
Post by: AllanV on September 07, 2020, 11:07:20 PM
SO ARE YOU STIPULATING THAT THERE ARE THREE TRANSFORMERS.

Hi seychelles,

Understand how it works, the principle, the method to get a result can take a few directions. In a full AC configuration two transformers could be used but these would need several windings each.

A spring loaded gap could work.

You need to be an experimenter to build anything and able to work within different disciplines.

I am not in a position to build these for others just to give an indication how it works.

all the best,

Allan

Title: Re: Alan's Transformer as a Generator
Post by: AllanV on September 07, 2020, 11:31:09 PM
My friend Thank you, I thing that I got the whole idea now, I have the transformer as I told you. The hard part will be making the gap, anyway I'll try to do this today God willing. Thanks!

Hi leonelogb,

I have a 11Kw transformer, as new, and was thinking that a 1mm cutting disc on the outside legs may work.
First set every thing up without a gap and then make adjustments later. In theory a gap is not required but it allows some adjustments when a capacitor is involved. 

If enough energy can be summoned up to do lots of work, I would like to see if ordinary house wire would work. Leave the insulation on the individual cables and use a large core. So little is needed to get a current to flow, and the voltage should come up after a few cycles.

Another way has been seen that I will draw out, it involves two transformers only and of course the two smaller driving ones.

all the best,

Allan   

Title: Re: Alan's Transformer as a Generator
Post by: leonelogb on September 08, 2020, 03:29:23 AM
My friend, today I tried to make the circuit, but I had not time to do it with transistors (lack of time). I must do it with AC rectified and I saw some gain but not as it should be. I am going to give you the image of the circuit that I think I should do and / or did. Also, the photos of some transformers that I am using.
Thank you very much for this last diagram that you put, it looks more interesting and easier, I will do it tomorrow if God willing. Thank you for your kindness to share your knowledge and effort with us, only that since this is public, I also worry about you. Anything this is my email leonelogb@yahoo.com.


Hi leonelogb,

I have a 11Kw transformer, as new, and was thinking that a 1mm cutting disc on the outside legs may work.
First set every thing up without a gap and then make adjustments later. In theory a gap is not required but it allows some adjustments when a capacitor is involved. 

If enough energy can be summoned up to do lots of work, I would like to see if ordinary house wire would work. Leave the insulation on the individual cables and use a large core. So little is needed to get a current to flow, and the voltage should come up after a few cycles.

Another way has been seen that I will draw out, it involves two transformers only and of course the two smaller driving ones.

all the best,

Allan
Title: Re: Alan's Transformer as a Generator
Post by: AllanV on September 08, 2020, 06:32:50 AM
My friend, today I tried to make the circuit, but I had not time to do it with transistors (lack of time). I must do it with AC rectified and I saw some gain but not as it should be. I am going to give you the image of the circuit that I think I should do and / or did. Also, the photos of some transformers that I am using.
Thank you very much for this last diagram that you put, it looks more interesting and easier, I will do it tomorrow if God willing. Thank you for your kindness to share your knowledge and effort with us, only that since this is public, I also worry about you. Anything this is my email leonelogb@yahoo.com.

Hi leonelogb,

The transformers are a good size but there will be too many turns on them, for our first try the transformer on the last one of your pictures is probably best. They actually need a tapping of 15% turns on each winding but we will make do at the moment.

Two 50 volt outputs or close would be better and 15% extra turns on each would need to be put on the transformer. Even a smaller transformer for a first try. A transformer with two 15v and a 12v tapping, windings would work.

--A gap in the core allows a greater current to build in the same time.--

Keep everything away from mains power, please. Only very small voltages are required because it involves a floating supply of between 6volt and 12 volt  on the two windings, depending on resistance.

The following is an example only, the power supply is not complete.
There are two windings shown H1,H2  and H3,H4. Connect H1 to H3 and leave the other two H2 and H4 unconnected. What is the resistance in ohms?
You will need a resistor to limit the current, work it out.
12 volts will be placed on H4 and -ve on H2, with a current flowing there will be no magnetic effect, no flux in the core. If a capacitor is attached to H1,H3 and a short 30 volt +ve pulse in a circuit with negative battery and then -ve pulse in a circuit with positive there will be first an increase of current in one winding and then an increase in the other.
The pulse will be swapped to each winding in turn so that the winding that had more current will become less and vice versa. With DC the flux will make a full change of polarity just by increasing and decreasing currents in turn.

The idea is to swap the currents between uneven turns of about 15% on each side.
There is another slightly smaller transformer to wind, there will be two pairs of wires. 

This transformer is only about a 1/4 of the project, so be patient.

This will take a little while to work out so do not stress.

Regards,

Allan
Title: Re: Alan's Transformer as a Generator
Post by: leonelogb on September 09, 2020, 10:58:15 AM
Hi Allen,
Thanks, I am not stressed at all, I am excited and I can do this first part of course. I only wish two things;
a) understand the concepts clearly.
b) At least make 80 watt out transform with 1/2500 gain.  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Alan's Transformer as a Generator
Post by: Jeg on September 09, 2020, 01:08:21 PM

The following is an example only, the power supply is not complete.
There are two windings shown H1,H2  and H3,H4. Connect H1 to H3 and leave the other two H2 and H4 unconnected.

Hi Allan
Looks like you forgot to attach the drawing?!

In general, thanks a lot for sharing this technique. Looks very interesting and for sure this will be my next project. I read again and again your posts in a hope to understand your points. I think i'll use yoke cores and higher frequencies as it is very easy to make the gap at will. Keep it up and thanks again.

Regards

EDIT: Just saw that you were referencing to the above picture.
Title: Re: Alan's Transformer as a Generator
Post by: Jeg on September 09, 2020, 02:05:42 PM

Fernandez in other thread, He teach something similar, check it.
https://overunity.com/17535/kapanadze-stepanov-barbosa-leal-and-the-secret-of-free-energy/msg517669/#msg517669

Thanks for bringing this. I think of the same. They probably both speak about the same effect. Two coils on same core, magnetic field opposition, one direction, sinus waves with phase shift in between them, periodically one coil pushes more than the other, always opposing magnetic poles. Allan gives some more insight and explanation, filling the missing links. I wonder if software which show the development of flux inside a core would be able to represent this effect.
Title: Re: Alan's Transformer as a Generator
Post by: leonelogb on September 09, 2020, 02:20:21 PM
Hi Jeg, you are welcome and Thanks to Allen,  He is the one who will take us to the other level 8)
Title: Re: Alan's Transformer as a Generator
Post by: Jeg on September 09, 2020, 03:11:11 PM
Thanks Leon
Here is a link showing the relation between flux, current and voltage.
http://www.vias.org/matsch_capmag/matsch_caps_magnetics_chap5_02.html
Title: Re: Alan's Transformer as a Generator
Post by: AllanV on September 09, 2020, 10:57:04 PM
Hi Allen,
Thanks, I am not stressed at all, I am excited and I can do this first part of course. I only wish two things;
a) understand the concepts clearly.
b) At least make 80 watt out transform with 1/2500 gain.  ;D ;D

Hi,

The main point is that there is a tendency to use a sledge hammer to drive in a pin.

When one input winding has a capacitor and the other is the load a current is set to go. It only takes the smallest, the tiniest current change in one semi cycle to increase the flux in the link and change its polarity, and correctly applied, to get the swings of voltage.

The 80 watt example is used because by the power meter that is how much my house uses. It is convenient to take power because it costs $20/ month + $10 line charges, but sometimes there are power cuts up to four days when there is storm damage.
A welder can use 7Kw and starting electric motors 5x or more of the full load current. But these are not used that much.
Water heating and space heating are the problem and either alternate methods or a big FE device is required.
 
To build anything to produce a large amount of power is expensive, time wise and materials of course.

All the best,

Allan
   


Title: Re: Alan's Transformer as a Generator
Post by: AllanV on September 09, 2020, 11:23:00 PM
Hi Allan
Looks like you forgot to attach the drawing?!

In general, thanks a lot for sharing this technique. Looks very interesting and for sure this will be my next project. I read again and again your posts in a hope to understand your points. I think i'll use yoke cores and higher frequencies as it is very easy to make the gap at will. Keep it up and thanks again.

Regards

EDIT: Just saw that you were referencing to the above picture.

Hi Jeg,

Yes, that transformer with the number of turns would produce too much voltage and would need 15% more turns on each winding. Another transformer is used to drive the currents and allow them to go in the opposite direction as well.
A high voltage could be stepped down through another transformer, but it all ends up a big heavy construction.

If higher frequencies are used, a good out put probably 1Kw could be developed in a really small device.

With the work that has been done on this technology it indicates that the heating effect from transmitted high frequencies is just one more thing that is driving atmospheric warming of water vapor. It is regarded as non ionizing radiation while the sun ionizes.
FE indicates that only a small energy input can drive big changes, big swings in potential.

There are a few points that have taken some time for me to establish but are actually obvious. Blind spots can develop. The biggest problem is to focus for long enough with out distractions, to get the project done.

There have been many different parameters worked through.

All the best,

Allan

 
Title: Re: Alan's Transformer as a Generator
Post by: AllanV on September 10, 2020, 12:17:58 AM
Thanks for bringing this. I think of the same. They probably both speak about the same effect. Two coils on same core, magnetic field opposition, one direction, sinus waves with phase shift in between them, periodically one coil pushes more than the other, always opposing magnetic poles. Allan gives some more insight and explanation, filling the missing links. I wonder if software which show the development of flux inside a core would be able to represent this effect.

Hi Jeg,

A square wave is okay but keep the voltage low do not over drive.

All the best,

Allan

In 1978 quite a few ideas occurred and I took an electronic course. The tutor while talking about transformers mentioned the fact that the link and the flux was almost nothing. He said he could not understand it completely. That comment has stuck in my mind always.
In 1982 I almost had the transformer problem beaten but was doing several projects at once. Of course everything becomes under resourced.

Software mostly does not consider such a small amount and text books say that it is not considered in calculations for transformer and coil design. With construction there is a 10% over wind on the output as the current dampens the flux.

When a transformer is overloaded and the input voltage increased, this is where the oscilloscope can show some clues. But it depends on interpretation and what is being looked for.

It could be a program would only need some adjustment. It is not necessary for me at this stage.

The events are indicating that survival mode may be looming. Lets not go back to the stone age. Get the project done.



   
Title: Re: Alan's Transformer as a Generator
Post by: AllanV on September 10, 2020, 01:00:08 AM
Thanks Leon
Here is a link showing the relation between flux, current and voltage.
http://www.vias.org/matsch_capmag/matsch_caps_magnetics_chap5_02.html

Hi Jeg,

It is best to only concentrate on the link and the flux because for in transformer power and size calculations it is not considered.

The magnetizing current could be 15% of the load but as was explained previously not all that current is used to make the flux.
With 240volts, in one instant only wire resistance is seen and then in another instant to create opposing flux that is 80% on the way to saturation of the core.
The magnetizing current is 90degrees out of phase with the reflected load current and by vectors the sum of the two add to very little more than the load current alone.

When the Flux is generated by a floating supply between the I/P and O/P windings it becomes a generator. The capacitor input produces the swings of potential that are reflected in the output as well.

In a generator it is the rate of change of the magnetic field and the strength of that field that gives the output. It is just being done in two coils at once while their magnetic fields cancel at maximum current.

Calculations can be used to size but it has to be determined how much extra flux is acceptable at a certain frequency. The core material may get too hot and at high frequency be destroyed.

The flux increase could be up to four times increased and would mean less turns, less heat in the windings but more in the core.

Regards,

Allan
Title: Re: Alan's Transformer as a Generator
Post by: leonelogb on September 10, 2020, 10:16:05 PM
Hi Jeg,

It is best to only concentrate on the link and the flux because for in transformer power and size calculations it is not considered.

The magnetizing current could be 15% of the load but as was explained previously not all that current is used to make the flux.
With 240volts, in one instant only wire resistance is seen and then in another instant to create opposing flux that is 80% on the way to saturation of the core.
The magnetizing current is 90degrees out of phase with the reflected load current and by vectors the sum of the two add to very little more than the load current alone.

When the Flux is generated by a floating supply between the I/P and O/P windings it becomes a generator. The capacitor input produces the swings of potential that are reflected in the output as well.

In a generator it is the rate of change of the magnetic field and the strength of that field that gives the output. It is just being done in two coils at once while their magnetic fields cancel at maximum current.

Calculations can be used to size but it has to be determined how much extra flux is acceptable at a certain frequency. The core material may get too hot and at high frequency be destroyed.

The flux increase could be up to four times increased and would mean less turns, less heat in the windings but more in the core.

Regards,

Allan
Hi Allen,
https://overunity.com/18601/alans-transformer-as-a-generator/msg550030/#msg550030

I would like to understand how the diagram you put in the link above is structured.
I think I am understanding the concept of the two main coils, one cw and one ccw as you have already explained on different occasions, it looks like what Chris has been talking about, Although they seem different, I think it is the same but with different applications, If you are kind enough to complete the questions and details that are in it, please!

The way you have managed to control the power supply of the bucking coil through a minimum input is the first part that I would like to understand, so I break down the diagram to be able to understand its details clearly,

Another thing, I am planning to make a small book with his teachings and diagrams, do not worry that it is not to sell, just to read several times until I understand everything God willing.
Title: Re: Alan's Transformer as a Generator
Post by: AllanV on September 10, 2020, 11:12:28 PM
Hi Allen,
https://overunity.com/18601/alans-transformer-as-a-generator/msg550030/#msg550030

I would like to understand how the diagram you put in the link above is structured.
I think I am understanding the concept of the two main coils, one cw and one ccw as you have already explained on different occasions, it looks like what Chris has been talking about, Although they seem different, I think it is the same but with different applications, If you are kind enough to complete the questions and details that are in it, please!

The way you have managed to control the power supply of the bucking coil through a minimum input is the first part that I would like to understand, so I break down the diagram to be able to understand its details clearly,

Another thing, I am planning to make a small book with his teachings and diagrams, do not worry that it is not to sell, just to read several times until I understand everything God willing.

Hi Leonelogb,

The windings are wound in the same direction on the core but the current goes through them in opposite directions.

The main circuit windings I/P, O/P are of bigger area, or larger diameter, because more current flows through them.

I have 0.8mm enameled copper therefore this is used for the smaller wire. It is best to have 15% difference in turns between the large diameter and the smaller.

I have used 1.5mm for the heavier enameled wire for up to 15 ampere and the 0.8mm for up to  2 ampere.

If the larger diameter wire has 40turns then the smaller diameter wire will be 15% different, if more 46turns if less 34turns make a tapping in the 0.8mm windings and color code them.

The core will be wound with all of them and will need to be worked out. I have previously used two cores with the two windings on each.

I reuse the enameled wire from big transformers that have been pulled apart. Insulation material is used between layers when winding is done.

Two inverters are off the same controller and consist of 4 square wave pulses one after the other. for a first try use a 555 and a 4017, a buffer circuit will protect the outputs to the gates of the mosfets.
Use 12 volts and square wave pulses to switch the mosfets in turn.  A variable 0-15volt power supply would be best.

The small transformers need to be of the correct size.
The input windings need to be tightly wound on a core and for 12volts 74turns are required (1volt/5.5turns at 50Hz) add 10%. They need to be center tapped therefore 148turns.
The output windings also need to be center tapped but only 70 turns are necessary. 

The core will have to be worked out

I am going to build a new model, and will post pictures.

Allan

Title: Re: Alan's Transformer as a Generator
Post by: AllanV on September 11, 2020, 12:31:41 AM
Hi Allen,
https://overunity.com/18601/alans-transformer-as-a-generator/msg550030/#msg550030

I would like to understand how the diagram you put in the link above is structured.
I think I am understanding the concept of the two main coils, one cw and one ccw as you have already explained on different occasions, it looks like what Chris has been talking about, Although they seem different, I think it is the same but with different applications, If you are kind enough to complete the questions and details that are in it, please!

The way you have managed to control the power supply of the bucking coil through a minimum input is the first part that I would like to understand, so I break down the diagram to be able to understand its details clearly,

Another thing, I am planning to make a small book with his teachings and diagrams, do not worry that it is not to sell, just to read several times until I understand everything God willing.

Hi,

There are two conditions, the increase and decrease in current in alternate i/p o/p circuits and then the voltage cycle. The current cycle potentially draws a lot of current because only wire resistance is seen. The currents are less when there is flux in the core but it takes voltage to assist in driving down the flux to get maximum current, these currents cross over and then the flux builds up as the currents decrease.
I was going to post a picture of all the transformers etc in the project but there is a lot to do to build everything necessary. For a first try it is too much for you I would say.



What is required is some lamination steel and bobbins. Small transformers, about 70mm across the top. 1mm or 0.8mm wire is good for a few amps it depends how much voltage is made. 2amps x 240volt is 480watt.

Build a two winding transformer with 15% difference in turns  90, 110 with a gap, build another without a gap with 30, 34 turns.
Join the 90,110 at one end and connect the 30 to 110 and 34 to 90. Connect Positive to the join 90,110 and in two separate circuits pulse the 30 and 34 together but turn the 30 off first.
Put a diode and a capacitor in the circuit and collect the reverse current and voltage. Those windings in both transformers will now have voltage across them. 

Place a diode and capacitor in the other circuit as well. The instant the mosfet is switched off close to the same voltage will appear on these windings as well. 

The only thing missing is the current flowing in a circle and this is where a pulse can increase the output. It must be switched ON immediately, instantly, the other last mosfet is switched OFF.

It has to be a floating supply therefore it will need a small transformer where the pulse is on the input to drive the current in a circle through the output.
The voltage of back EMF in one set of windings is almost the same as the output voltage and it does not actually take much to over come this and drive a current in a circle through different ampere turns to produce high current with high voltage.  Volts x amps makes Watts. 
This setup will still produce a good output.

Allan   
Title: Re: Alan's Transformer as a Generator
Post by: leonelogb on September 11, 2020, 02:53:50 AM
My brother, your time is greatly appreciated for all that information that you have shared.

There is definitely a lot of work that need to be done, that's why not everybody has this in their hands. But it is more difficult to get a person willing to share his knowledge, efforts and patience with others, it is appreciated.

Ok, let's get to work, let me see that I will be able to use whatever I have in hand and the rest; online will be bought God willing. It will take a little of time but I can put pic of how I'm going.

Hi Leonelogb,

The windings are wound in the same direction on the core but the current goes through them in opposite directions.

The main circuit windings I/P, O/P are of bigger area, or larger diameter, because more current flows through them.

I have 0.8mm enameled copper therefore this is used for the smaller wire. It is best to have 15% difference in turns between the large diameter and the smaller.

I have used 1.5mm for the heavier enameled wire for up to 15 ampere and the 0.8mm for up to  2 ampere.

If the larger diameter wire has 40turns then the smaller diameter wire will be 15% different, if more 46turns if less 34turns make a tapping in the 0.8mm windings and color code them.

The core will be wound with all of them and will need to be worked out. I have previously used two cores with the two windings on each.

I reuse the enameled wire from big transformers that have been pulled apart. Insulation material is used between layers when winding is done.

Two inverters are off the same controller and consist of 4 square wave pulses one after the other. for a first try use a 555 and a 4017, a buffer circuit will protect the outputs to the gates of the mosfets.
Use 12 volts and square wave pulses to switch the mosfets in turn.  A variable 0-15volt power supply would be best.

The small transformers need to be of the correct size.
The input windings need to be tightly wound on a core and for 12volts 74turns are required (1volt/5.5turns at 50Hz) add 10%. They need to be center tapped therefore 148turns.
The output windings also need to be center tapped but only 70 turns are necessary. 

The core will have to be worked out

I am going to build a new model, and will post pictures.

Allan
Title: Re: Alan's Transformer as a Generator
Post by: leonelogb on September 11, 2020, 02:58:18 AM
Thank you so much again, very specific   ;D ;D ;D

Hi,

There are two conditions, the increase and decrease in current in alternate i/p o/p circuits and then the voltage cycle. The current cycle potentially draws a lot of current because only wire resistance is seen. The currents are less when there is flux in the core but it takes voltage to assist in driving down the flux to get maximum current, these currents cross over and then the flux builds up as the currents decrease.
I was going to post a picture of all the transformers etc in the project but there is a lot to do to build everything necessary. For a first try it is too much for you I would say.



What is required is some lamination steel and bobbins. Small transformers, about 70mm across the top. 1mm or 0.8mm wire is good for a few amps it depends how much voltage is made. 2amps x 240volt is 480watt.

Build a two winding transformer with 15% difference in turns  90, 110 with a gap, build another without a gap with 30, 34 turns.
Join the 90,110 at one end and connect the 30 to 110 and 34 to 90. Connect Positive to the join 90,110 and in two separate circuits pulse the 30 and 34 together but turn the 30 off first.
Put a diode and a capacitor in the circuit and collect the reverse current and voltage. Those windings in both transformers will now have voltage across them. 

Place a diode and capacitor in the other circuit as well. The instant the mosfet is switched off close to the same voltage will appear on these windings as well. 

The only thing missing is the current flowing in a circle and this is where a pulse can increase the output. It must be switched ON immediately, instantly, the other last mosfet is switched OFF.

It has to be a floating supply therefore it will need a small transformer where the pulse is on the input to drive the current in a circle through the output.
The voltage of back EMF in one set of windings is almost the same as the output voltage and it does not actually take much to over come this and drive a current in a circle through different ampere turns to produce high current with high voltage.  Volts x amps makes Watts. 
This setup will still produce a good output.

Allan
Title: Re: Alan's Transformer as a Generator
Post by: AllanV on September 11, 2020, 07:35:35 AM
Thank you so much again, very specific   ;D ;D ;D

Hi,

My mind went a bit blank this morning. The previous post would give half the principle, it would pay to go bigger with the core and double wind with 15% tappings. Get the full effect.

It may be best if you can find the transformers cheap enough to just copy what I am doing for this next power supply.

A lamination 115 x76, window 19x52, 38x45 bobbin. It will have 4 windings 2@ 55turns 0.8 enameled wire, on first. 2@45 turns x 2.0 enameled wire on last, insulate between rows. Your smaller transformer could work but if it is welded that makes it difficult to get a part without some damage.

The transformer with the gap is wide window 175mm and a 50mmx50mm core area.

If you want to use what you posted just strip it and then find some wire. The bigger the core area the less windings usually. The small transformer will need thinner wire and will have less output.
Do not put too much wire onto the bobbin it becomes a nuisance. The wire as a rule of thumb fills the space to 40%.

Once set up it is not difficult to wind but care must be taken. Keep it tidy and without any abrasion on the wire other wise there will be shorts and failure.

The three phase transformer is not the best for this project. It is a bit small.

2mm wire on two windings, each with a 15% tapping. My transformer has 300turns + 30 on each winding 1.5mm enameled wire.
I have a lot of choices with what has been accumulated. It will be tried to see what happens. It may be rewound with 2mm wire and less
turns.

all the best,

Allan

Title: Re: Alan's Transformer as a Generator
Post by: Jeg on September 11, 2020, 10:58:12 AM
Hi all

Allan may i ask, what did make you to go with Amber/Turns variation instead of the phase shift method?

I think a hall sensor inserted in to the core gap would help a lot to visualize any flux changes. Probably we should start by building the right equipment first before testing the idea.

For example
http://www.electronoobs.com/eng_circuitos_tut12_1.php
Title: Re: Alan's Transformer as a Generator
Post by: AllanV on September 12, 2020, 12:01:00 AM
Hi all

Allan may i ask, what did make you to go with Amber/Turns variation instead of the phase shift method?

I think a hall sensor inserted in to the core gap would help a lot to visualize any flux changes. Probably we should start by building the right equipment first before testing the idea.

For example
http://www.electronoobs.com/eng_circuitos_tut12_1.php

Hi Jeg,

Experimenting is a long and slightly tortuous path and leads to many dead ends. Each parameter needs to be explored to reduce error. It is a lot of work. But in retrospect it becomes obvious and simple.
Thanks for showing the circuit, I have all the parts necessary to build it. 

The flux gain is significant it is noticeable just by placing a piece of metal close to the gap. And it also shows in the output wave form and voltage increase.

The transformer as a generator, rate of change and strength of the mag field produces the output.

When a current does the circle with a floating supply through uneven turns there is opposition as flux is produced. But it seems that this is necessary to put some tension between the windings and the turns ratio does not allow them to produce too much flux. Saturation occurs when the current increase is greater than the core flux can accept. Once this ratio is established the hi volt pulse current will mostly become AT and then become flux in the core.

To change the flux quickly the currents must cross over. Each current must take a turn at being the greater in one semi cycle, or half wave.
I takes no great DC power to do this when it is compared to the output.
DC only could be used but to cross to the next semi cycle, voltage must be built and then released to expel the flux for maximum current where the currents again cross over. 

The transformer usually operates just above the residual magnetism that stays in the core with no current at all. It is driving down this residual flux to the opposite polarity that gives the best output.

If two phase shifted circuits are used the input will draw maximum current but still has not addressed the problem of potential saturation.
What is being sought here is a substantial flux increase which means a smaller device with fewer turns. Heat is usually the problem IR conductor losses and the core losses. The core losses are two fold and there appears to be a sticking point where the flux will not usually exceed a certain amount.
If the length of the flux path can be shortened it is a bonus as well.

If you have doubts, fair enough. But a starting point is presented that could save a lot of work.

Accepted that to commit to making anything, materials and parts have to be purchased or found from junked parts.

Bigger is easier in some ways, if every thing is too small and wire too thin it is difficult, 0.5mm the smallest for ease. A hand winder with a counter helps.
Anything above 2mm has its own difficulties on a small core. Using multiple wire needs a good setup.

It is noted that you are thinking about how to make it easier.

A couple of L298N stepper motor drivers and a battery to isolate them from Hi volt circuit.
Two home made, wound coils, are all that is needed, one with a gap.
Experimenting is different to building. There is a different mind set.

All the best,

Allan   

   
Title: Re: Alan's Transformer as a Generator
Post by: AllanV on September 12, 2020, 01:19:07 AM
Hi all

Allan may i ask, what did make you to go with Amber/Turns variation instead of the phase shift method?

I think a hall sensor inserted in to the core gap would help a lot to visualize any flux changes. Probably we should start by building the right equipment first before testing the idea.

For example
http://www.electronoobs.com/eng_circuitos_tut12_1.php

Hi Jeg,

Just a thought, with a hall sensor the 80 watt transformer test could be verified.

With 240volts on the transformer check the flux outside the core and note the current as well. The RMS current will be greater than a DC current applied next. Why is there a difference?

Disconnect the 240volt power and take a 1.5volt battery and connect this to the 240 volt I/P winding. Place a diode across the winding to stop any spikes.

A reduction to 0.9volts is best therefore a resistor is needed plus a variable one helps. Check the flux outside the core with a meter.

This indicates the DC equivalent and power in the link. The output current dampens the flux and transformers need a 10% over wind on the output to make up the voltage.

In an 80watt transformer with 0.032watt in the link it calculated out to 1/2500th of the load.

When a low power DC current is applied to the two winding set up the flux makes a full change and it represents half the full wave.

But the magnetism is to drive the link and would not produce much power into a load. A setup must include an I/P and an O/P, one leading and one lagging.

Allan     
Title: Re: Alan's Transformer as a Generator
Post by: AllanV on September 12, 2020, 02:47:39 AM
Hi all

Allan may i ask, what did make you to go with Amber/Turns variation instead of the phase shift method?



Hi, another thought as an explanation.

When the link flux is modulated the current flow increases significantly. An example is a three phase motor 5kw and 5x+ current at start up, there is no way that power is producing the flux. It is impossible. The generator and the meter notice the power consumption of course.
When a magnetic field is created it does work and when that field collapses it gives back most of what has been used. If the circuit is not interrupted the current comes from the source generator. Each phase in the motor is tightly linked and current draw is balanced between them.
The rewind variable speed drive with a 5Kw input only needs 50Watts maximum to control it. This 50watts DC field is the only link between the 5Kw input and output shaft load.

With a phase shift method;
If the phases are 180degrees opposed plus the input and output driver driven situation the modulation of the small flux allows the maximum current to flow as the voltage increases. This current needs to be redirected.

It would still require another winding on each of the input and output, 15% more or less and a floating supply to pass a current around in a circle through each pair. This creates the increase and decrease in the field. Another inductor would be required to direct the current in a leading capacitor circuit and the lagging load circuit.
What is being done is to create a variation of current in each separate I/P O/P circuit in relation to each other without any reference point except the flux creation. 

A phase shift could increase with flux increase and there would be nothing added to the output.

Allan
     
Title: Re: Alan's Transformer as a Generator
Post by: Jeg on September 12, 2020, 08:10:47 AM
Hi Allan
Thanks a lot for your detailed explanations and thought sharing.

So it is clear that iron cores need very little power to establish the magnetic link. Also i keep in mind that needs some time for this action to happen in an iron core. Time that becomes far less when we use ferrite cores. But what about air cores? I wonder, can this principle be applied when air is used as a core? Saturation would not be a problem anymore and looks like switching the flux would take even less time and power.

Thanks in advance
Jeg
Title: Re: Alan's Transformer as a Generator
Post by: AllanV on September 13, 2020, 12:02:16 AM
Hi Allan
Thanks a lot for your detailed explanations and thought sharing.

So it is clear that iron cores need very little power to establish the magnetic link. Also i keep in mind that needs some time for this action to happen in an iron core. Time that becomes far less when we use ferrite cores. But what about air cores? I wonder, can this principle be applied when air is used as a core? Saturation would not be a problem anymore and looks like switching the flux would take even less time and power.

Thanks in advance
Jeg


Hi Jeg,

The iron core does limit the frequency therefore time is a factor. But in general it is not the time but the rate of flux increase without some control that is the problem. Iron contains the field and links the currents strongly. Generally heat determines size and output, but if a greater field, then less core area and turns, helps dramatically.
It is possible to get flux in the core as quickly as it is expelled. Iron is not a problem at all for household use.

The technique previously described is the only way known to get FE from coils.

Whether iron, ferrite, or air, the only difference would be size and the maximum frequency and the cost of controlling with high speed switching.

A practical low cost device for daily use is the aim. Charging batteries and buying an inverter is an option. My power cost is $400per year
and it is small compared with the cost of building and maintaining my own power system.

Large diameter solid copper conductors can produce power and a lot of current if a magnetic field is applied directly on and around the conductor in the correct manner.

The main focus should be all the devices that need high inrush currents and over the top power consumption.

EV's are ridiculous. One horse, low speed high torque, would do a lot at one time but now we drive around cracking the whip on 100 horses at least.

All the best,

Allan

 
 
Title: Re: Alan's Transformer as a Generator
Post by: Thaelin on September 13, 2020, 05:20:02 PM
  Must these transformers be the standard E core type or can torrids be used? I have a couple of them with 40v dual secondaries but it is only center tapped.
thay
Title: Re: Alan's Transformer as a Generator
Post by: AllanV on September 13, 2020, 10:41:01 PM
  Must these transformers be the standard E core type or can torrids be used? I have a couple of them with 40v dual secondaries but it is only center tapped.
thay

Hi,

It was found that a gap is best on one of the transformers, this would be the way to reduce the residual magnetism for the resonant input circuit.

Toroidal transformers are not able to be used on the main gapped transformer of course but it would work with the other current controlling transformer. The tapping would have to be separated to make individual windings. The number of turns would have to be worked out and then another two windings of heavier wire with 15% less (32-34volts) on each wound onto it. These would then be for the power circuits.
The usual input high voltage winding would not be used at all because no useful power would be developed on it.

It is all about generating in the link between input and output and it is very small.

There would need to be a bit of experimenting if mains voltage output and frequency is required.

E core Laminations and formers plus extras are able to been purchased and this is convenient but E core transformers can be pulled apart carefully.
Many large transformers can been collected from redundant scrap and are as new more often than not.

The smaller driving transformer does not have a gap. It is more to dampen the current into the low ohms of the larger transformer with the gap.

Even a modest number of turns can produce 400 volts at 100pulses /sec frequency. There is a tendency to over do it.

On the bench now is a 134mm (7in) across the top reduced down to 50mm x 50mm core area, 1mm gap in the magnetic circuit, transformer. It has two 300 turn 1.5mm windings with two 30 turn 1.5mm windings that add to make 330 on the input and output.

It will be tried and it may be that it can be cut down to reduce the flux path and also reduce the turns.

The other transformer is 115mm (4.5in) across the top with a core area of 38mm x 45mm length 52mm no gap.

Four windings two 1.5mm  45 turns, two 0.8 56 turns, these control the current in I/P O/P circuits. These windings complete the circuit through the transformer with the gap. It may allow alternate positive negative pulses to drive it, but otherwise DC will be switched into the different 15% variation of the windings.

The aim is 2Kw. It will take a few more days work.

Allan


 
Title: Re: Alan's Transformer as a Generator
Post by: leonelogb on September 14, 2020, 11:38:35 PM
Hi Alan,
I have gotten part of the stuff I need for the project, check the pic, I have also added the diagram of how I plan to do it, please review it and let me know if I have to modify something else.

For that core I bought 1.5 mm wire, I'm waiting for it to arrive this week and after your confirmation then I'll start.
Since this core is not very big, it is only to start this as a mini project. (as you can see), Then after that the Big one God willing.
Title: Re: Alan's Transformer as a Generator
Post by: AllanV on September 15, 2020, 06:07:51 AM
Hi Alan,
I have gotten part of the stuff I need for the project, check the pic, I have also added the diagram of how I plan to do it, please review it and let me know if I have to modify something else.

For that core I bought 1.5 mm wire, I'm waiting for it to arrive this week and after your confirmation then I'll start.
Since this core is not very big, it is only to start this as a mini project. (as you can see), Then after that the Big one God willing.

Hi Leonelogb,

Thanks for your reply it keeps me motivated. My thinking has gone off a bit at the moment, could be the weather. I went shopping yesterday as well.

It is looking good.
Not exact but your getting the right idea.  Electronics can be added later and then the smaller transformers can be excluded.

The two smaller 100turns x 100turns would need to have 15% difference approximately. The one I have done is 45turns 1.5mm and 56turns 0.8mm. The smaller wire is good for 2 amps. The 56 turns should be attached to the 200 turns and the 45 turns attached to the 200t + 25t.
The 1.5mm wire should do 8 amps and if it achieves 240volt = 2000watt.

I have wound the smaller windings all four that you show on one former, 45t 1.5mm, 56t 0.8mm and 45t 1.5mm, 56t 0.8mm.
They only just fit on a reconstructed 114mm x 95mm x 44mm transformer former/bobbin,52mm x 45mm x 38mm.
This transformer is to keep the currents going in opposite directions in transformer action, through the larger 225turns of the other coils as the extra flux is added.

Two 12 volt 10 Amp Hour batteries could replace the small isolated supplies in the short term. They would actually need a feed back circuit to a regulator to decrease or increase the output to supply the correct load voltage. 

No worries at this stage the connections are easy to change. A formula is required but it is experience that makes the difference at the moment. Some thinking needs to be done.

A capacitor and some way of putting a 50 to 70volt timed pulse on the top link between the 200 turns + 25t and 200 + 25 turns windings.
While the current flows through the windings in a circle the extra pulse of  0.2A through the 200 turns + 25 turns and the 45 turns on the other transformer will dramatically increase the output.

In the usual transformer, the flux is dampened enough by load current to require about 10% over wind of the output windings. Resonance does not need much input to maintain oscillations and in theory very little power would be required to make up what the load current changes in the core flux.
It is just a matter of gently adding some flux into the core using transformer action.

The set up may be a bit light on iron core but just have to try. If the flux is 4x usual the rate of change is greater and the power increase should be squared.
The current will flow back and forth into the capacitor circuit and the voltage will build when the AT difference modulates the magnetism to maximize current.

Everything is ready to go with what I am building just needs the circuit and two isolated supplies. There are several ways of doing it as usual and it takes a bit of brain power.
Getting it going could help establish the correct turns and core size.
The whole exercise could be calculated out, the formulas are available, but it is about exactly how much extra flux is able to be generated.

All the best,

Allan

Title: Re: Alan's Transformer as a Generator
Post by: leonelogb on September 15, 2020, 11:36:33 PM
 Than you for reply. Check it you answer
 
Hi Leonelogb,

Thanks for your reply it keeps me motivated. My thinking has gone off a bit at the moment, could be the weather. I went shopping yesterday as well.

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Good for you, keep doing the good job!

It is looking good.
Not exact but your getting the right idea.  Electronics can be added later and then the smaller transformers can be excluded.
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I know electronics need to be improved and I'm not sure about the sequence of switching, and that sound wonderful, excluded all the smaller and make just one for those smaller(which is the best core that you advise for this? 

The two smaller 100turns x 100turns would need to have 15% difference approximately. The one I have done is 45turns 1.5mm and 56turns 0.8mm. The smaller wire is good for 2 amps. The 56 turns should be attached to the 200 turns and the 45 turns attached to the 200t + 25t.
The 1.5mm wire should do 8 amps and if it achieves 240volt = 2000watt.
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Excellent explanation and even much better, less turn in the transformer and thank you for clarifying the connection!

I have wound the smaller windings all four that you show on one former, 45t 1.5mm, 56t 0.8mm and 45t 1.5mm, 56t 0.8mm.
They only just fit on a reconstructed 114mm x 95mm x 44mm transformer former/bobbin,52mm x 45mm x 38mm.
This transformer is to keep the currents going in opposite directions in transformer action, through the larger 225turns of the other coils as the extra flux is added.
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My brother excuse my lack of understanding sometimes, but for this step, I would like more or less a photo or a hand drawing, sorry for the inconvenience. Thanks in advance.


Two 12 volt 10 Amp Hour batteries could replace the small isolated supplies in the short term. They would actually need a feed back circuit to a regulator to decrease or increase the output to supply the correct load voltage. 
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I have two battery even bigger I think, about the feed back I have an idea, I'll put it late

No worries at this stage the connections are easy to change. A formula is required but it is experience that makes the difference at the moment. Some thinking needs to be done.
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step by step we get far  ;D

A capacitor and some way of putting a 50 to 70volt timed pulse on the top link between the 200 turns + 25t and 200 + 25 turns windings.
While the current flows through the windings in a circle the extra pulse of  0.2A through the 200 turns + 25 turns and the 45 turns on the other transformer will dramatically increase the output.

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dramatically increase the output. lol. i love those words  ;D

In the usual transformer, the flux is dampened enough by load current to require about 10% over wind of the output windings. Resonance does not need much input to maintain oscillations and in theory very little power would be required to make up what the load current changes in the core flux.
It is just a matter of gently adding some flux into the core using transformer action.

The set up may be a bit light on iron core but just have to try. If the flux is 4x usual the rate of change is greater and the power increase should be squared.
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Yes, you right It's just for start after this, the bigger one God willing
The current will flow back and forth into the capacitor circuit and the voltage will build when the AT difference modulates the magnetism to maximize current.

Everything is ready to go with what I am building just needs the circuit and two isolated supplies. There are several ways of doing it as usual and it takes a bit of brain power.
Quote
I am interested in knowing which is the input sequence in the coils and which is the best switching for doing.
Getting it going could help establish the correct turns and core size.
The whole exercise could be calculated out, the formulas are available, but it is about exactly how much extra flux is able to be generated.

All the best,

Allan

Winter is scorching again!  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Alan's Transformer as a Generator
Post by: AllanV on September 16, 2020, 02:37:56 AM
Than you for reply. Check it you answer
 
It is looking good.
Not exact but your getting the right idea.  Electronics can be added later and then the smaller transformers can be excluded.
The two smaller 100turns x 100turns would need to have 15% difference approximately. The one I have done is 45turns 1.5mm and 56turns 0.8mm. The smaller wire is good for 2 amps. The 56 turns should be attached to the 200 turns and the 45 turns attached to the 200t + 25t.
The 1.5mm wire should do 8 amps and if it achieves 240volt = 2000watt.
I have wound the smaller windings all four that you show on one former, 45t 1.5mm, 56t 0.8mm and 45t 1.5mm, 56t 0.8mm.
They only just fit on a reconstructed 114mm x 95mm x 44mm transformer former/bobbin,52mm x 45mm x 38mm.
This transformer is to keep the currents going in opposite directions in transformer action, through the larger 225turns of the other coils as the extra flux is added.

Two 12 volt 10 Amp Hour batteries could replace the small isolated supplies in the short term. They would actually need a feed back circuit to a regulator to decrease or increase the output to supply the correct load voltage. 
No worries at this stage the connections are easy to change. A formula is required but it is experience that makes the difference at the moment. Some thinking needs to be done.
A capacitor and some way of putting a 50 to 70volt timed pulse on the top link between the 200 turns + 25t and 200 + 25 turns windings.
While the current flows through the windings in a circle the extra pulse of  0.2A through the 200 turns + 25 turns and the 45 turns on the other transformer will dramatically increase the output.

In the usual transformer, the flux is dampened enough by load current to require about 10% over wind of the output windings. Resonance does not need much input to maintain oscillations and in theory very little power would be required to make up what the load current changes in the core flux.
It is just a matter of gently adding some flux into the core using transformer action.

The set up may be a bit light on iron core but just have to try. If the flux is 4x usual the rate of change is greater and the power increase should be squared. The current will flow back and forth into the capacitor circuit and the voltage will build when the AT difference modulates the magnetism to maximize current.

Everything is ready to go with what I am building just needs the circuit and two isolated supplies. There are several ways of doing it as usual and it takes a bit of brain power. Getting it going could help establish the correct turns and core size.
The whole exercise could be calculated out, the formulas are available, but it is about exactly how much extra flux is able to be generated.

All the best,

Allan


Winter is scorching again!  ;D ;D ;D

Hi,

It is becoming warmer here as spring approaches, with only brief cold patches, today 14degrees C outside 18 degrees C inside with no heating.
The coldest morning was 5.5 degrees C this year. I live 180M above sea level, 5Km inland from the coastal winds and it is not as cold as the valleys.

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I am interested in knowing which is the input sequence in the coils and which is the best switching for doing.
end quote

All that is wrong is that the wires are crossed from one of the inputs (the left) and would reverse the current through the main transformer. The currents need to go in one direction but through the different amp turns in sequence. This will reverse the flux in the core with maximum current, little voltage or opposition. As the flux increases, the to be added Hi voltage pulse will increase the current in one winding only.
The square wave pulses and there numbering are correct other wise.

I have wound the windings all four that you show (100t,100t: 100t,100t) on one former, 45t 1.5mm, 56t 0.8mm and 45t 1.5mm, 56t 0.8mm.
They only just fit on a reconstructed 114mm x 95mm x 44mm transformer former/bobbin,52mm x 45mm x 38mm.
This transformer is to keep the currents going in opposite directions in transformer action, through the larger 225turns of the other coils as the extra flux is added.

Quote
    My brother excuse my lack of understanding sometimes, but for this step, I would like more or less a photo or a hand drawing, sorry for the inconvenience. Thanks in advance.
End quote.

If you are able to find a transformer and deconstruct it, or buy some laminations and formers, best to get more than one then the winding will just fit on a former /bobbin,52mm L x 45mm x 38mm. The former/bobbin should fit the core laminations exact.

Start at one end of the former, leave 120mm approximately, excess before winding on 0.8mm 56turns on the former. Use some tape to hold the wire by sticking it on the bobbin and then the turns will go on over the top to hold the start. Insulate that layer and start the next 0.8mm 56turns insulate that layer.
Start 1.5mm and wind on 45 turns. Insulate between layers and bring end of wire out the opposite end of the start. Insulate.
Start next 1.5mm and wind on 45turns. Bring wire out the opposite end. Insulate.
All the starts should be on one side and all the finish should be on the other for ease of working out the connections.

A hand winder with a counter makes the job a lot easier. A varnish is usually put on the windings, transformer makers use a bath method. Very smelly.
If the transformer windings vibrate the insulation is worn off. I do not bother at this stage but do have a collection of wax that is melted and put on hot.   
 
They only just fit on a reconstructed 114mm x 95mm x 44mm transformer former/bobbin,52mm x 45mm x 38mm.

The photo shows the insulation paper, the former/bobbin, the tape and some laminations.

All the best,

Allan

Title: Re: Alan's Transformer as a Generator
Post by: leonelogb on September 16, 2020, 04:08:45 AM
My Brother...  You are the Best, Thank you so much.  ;D


Hi,

It is becoming warmer here as spring approaches, with only brief cold patches, today 14degrees C outside 18 degrees C inside with no heating.
The coldest morning was 5.5 degrees C this year. I live 180M above sea level, 5Km inland from the coastal winds and it is not as cold as the valleys.

quote
I am interested in knowing which is the input sequence in the coils and which is the best switching for doing.
end quote

All that is wrong is that the wires are crossed from one of the inputs (the left) and would reverse the current through the main transformer. The currents need to go in one direction but through the different amp turns in sequence. This will reverse the flux in the core with maximum current, little voltage or opposition. As the flux increases, the to be added Hi voltage pulse will increase the current in one winding only.
The square wave pulses and there numbering are correct other wise.

I have wound the windings all four that you show (100t,100t: 100t,100t) on one former, 45t 1.5mm, 56t 0.8mm and 45t 1.5mm, 56t 0.8mm.
They only just fit on a reconstructed 114mm x 95mm x 44mm transformer former/bobbin,52mm x 45mm x 38mm.
This transformer is to keep the currents going in opposite directions in transformer action, through the larger 225turns of the other coils as the extra flux is added.

Quote
    My brother excuse my lack of understanding sometimes, but for this step, I would like more or less a photo or a hand drawing, sorry for the inconvenience. Thanks in advance.
End quote.

If you are able to find a transformer and deconstruct it, or buy some laminations and formers, best to get more than one then the winding will just fit on a former /bobbin,52mm L x 45mm x 38mm. The former/bobbin should fit the core laminations exact.

Start at one end of the former, leave 120mm approximately, excess before winding on 0.8mm 56turns on the former. Use some tape to hold the wire by sticking it on the bobbin and then the turns will go on over the top to hold the start. Insulate that layer and start the next 0.8mm 56turns insulate that layer.
Start 1.5mm and wind on 45 turns. Insulate between layers and bring end of wire out the opposite end of the start. Insulate.
Start next 1.5mm and wind on 45turns. Bring wire out the opposite end. Insulate.
All the starts should be on one side and all the finish should be on the other for ease of working out the connections.

A hand winder with a counter makes the job a lot easier. A varnish is usually put on the windings, transformer makers use a bath method. Very smelly.
If the transformer windings vibrate the insulation is worn off. I do not bother at this stage but do have a collection of wax that is melted and put on hot.   
 
They only just fit on a reconstructed 114mm x 95mm x 44mm transformer former/bobbin,52mm x 45mm x 38mm.

The photo shows the insulation paper, the former/bobbin, the tape and some laminations.

All the best,

Allan
Title: Re: Alan's Transformer as a Generator
Post by: leonelogb on September 17, 2020, 02:56:24 AM
Almost ready to start with the input transformers..  :)
check it
Title: Re: Alan's Transformer as a Generator
Post by: AllanV on September 17, 2020, 04:22:39 AM
Almost ready to start with the input transformers..  :)
check it

Hi,

Should be able to do something with that. The 1.5mm wire is for the power I/P, O/P circuits only. 1.5mm wire can do about 16amps but wound in a coil there is heat build up and this is where the problem is. It may do 8 amps continuously with few turns and layers.

Do you have some smaller wire for the control circuits? This is essential because the rule of thumb is a 40% copper fill of the space.

The core area is usually in the calculation to size the power output etc but more magnetism could change things a bit. The strength of the field and flux density is usually 1.2Tesla but can go to 1.7Tesla, but the intention is to drive a bit further than that, passed the usual point of saturation. The dampening held at 15% difference in turns seems to hold the rate of increase of the flux to an acceptable amount. The current flowing in a circle pretensions and allows more current, 0.4A max to flow through the Hi volt pulse circuit.   

A battery charger is being worked out and built at the moment to get the mind in the right spot.
I would like to build a charging system that could be easily carried at some stage as well.

The is a little nervousness and that there will be no mistakes. Check twice cut once.

There is a lot of work to do, one step at a time.

Allan
   
Title: Re: Alan's Transformer as a Generator
Post by: leonelogb on September 18, 2020, 01:02:24 AM
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Should be able to do something with that. The 1.5mm wire is for the power I/P, O/P circuits only. 1.5 mm wire can do about 16amps but wound in a coil there is heat build up and this is where the problem is. It may do 8 amps continuously with few turns and layers.

Yes, 1.5 mm will be use for power I/P, O/P(200+25 and 200+25 on other transformer) and I'll use 1.5 mm for two coil of 45 turns and I want to use 0.8 for two coil of 56 turns on one transformer, but so far I have to buy, I do not have (just 24 awg)
 
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Do you have some smaller wire for the control circuits? This is essential because the rule of thumb is a 40% copper fill of the space.
So far just 24 awg (0.51 mm)

The core area is usually in the calculation to size the power output etc but more magnetism could change things a bit. The strength of the field and flux density is usually 1.2Tesla but can go to 1.7Tesla, but the intention is to drive a bit further than that, passed the usual point of saturation. The dampening held at 15% difference in turns seems to hold the rate of increase of the flux to an acceptable amount. The current flowing in a circle pretensions and allows more current, 0.4A max to flow through the Hi volt pulse circuit.   

Quote
A battery charger is being worked out and built at the moment to get the mind in the right spot.
I would like to build a charging system that could be easily carried at some stage as well.

I have a 120v ac voltage regulator, It go from 0-180 ac  so it would not be difficult to put and capacitor with diode bridge, I think it will work?

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The is a little nervousness and that there will be no mistakes. Check twice cut once.

 ;D ;D ;D This project is Alan's Transformer as a Generator
I should not do anything without your confirmation before  :)
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will be no mistakes
lol
that's the hardest part but; you right
Check twice cut once  8)

Question:
Do I have to make the small transformer for the input winding wound on a core for 12 volts 74 turns? I mean; input 70+74 turns an output the same 70+74 with the center tapped?

Thanks!


   
Title: Re: Alan's Transformer as a Generator
Post by: AllanV on September 18, 2020, 07:58:19 AM
Yes, 1.5 mm will be use for power I/P, O/P(200+25 and 200+25 on other transformer) and I'll use 1.5 mm for two coil of 45 turns and I want to use 0.8 for two coil of 56 turns on one transformer, but so far I have to buy, I do not have (just 24 awg)
 So far just 24 awg (0.51 mm)

The core area is usually in the calculation to size the power output etc but more magnetism could change things a bit. The strength of the field and flux density is usually 1.2Tesla but can go to 1.7Tesla, but the intention is to drive a bit further than that, passed the usual point of saturation. The dampening held at 15% difference in turns seems to hold the rate of increase of the flux to an acceptable amount. The current flowing in a circle pretensions and allows more current, 0.4A max to flow through the Hi volt pulse circuit.   

I have a 120v ac voltage regulator, It go from 0-180 ac  so it would not be difficult to put and capacitor with diode bridge, I think it will work?

 ;D ;D ;D This project is Alan's Transformer as a Generator
I should not do anything without your confirmation before  :) lol
that's the hardest part but; you right
Check twice cut once  8)

Question:
Do I have to make the small transformer for the input winding wound on a core for 12 volts 74 turns? I mean; input 70+74 turns an output the same 70+74 with the center tapped?

Thanks!


 
Hi,
[/quote]
I have a 120v ac voltage regulator, It go from 0-180 ac  so it would not be difficult to put and capacitor with diode bridge, I think it will work?
[End Quote]

From experience 50-60 Hz needs to be really well filtered when rectified because it seems to interfere with the 50-60Hz being generated. Apart from that ordinary power rectified with a full pulse is too much it needs half a pulse.
Two square wave pulses fit into one rectified sine wave form, pulse. The modulated magnetic flux changes polarity in a half of one wave semi-cycle and then one half of the other.

A circuit could be made to follow the peak and the zero crossover to make four square wave pulses.

Keep your diagram of the wave forms handy it shows the relationship.

The circuits need to be modulated to get maximum current with little voltage. Voltage is necessary to remove the flux and to get maximum
current. Then as the high currents slow down to a stop the magnetic field is created with voltage. A fluctuation in a DC circuit is enough to get a full polarity changing magnet effect.

Then voltage is required to transition to the next DC cycle in a half wave. Voltage assists in getting more AT. 

Think of it as two DC semi cycles that fully change the polarity of the flux in one half wave each.

It could operate on one semi cycle only just DC.

[/quote]
Question:
Do I have to make the small transformer for the input winding wound on a core for 12 volts 74 turns? I mean; input 70+74 turns an output the same 70+74 with the center tapped?
[End Quote]
I am not sure what you mean exactly.

When transformers are wound 5.25 turns per volt are used but it does depend on core area and frequency.
76mm h X 64mm l X 26mm w. The former looks square 26mm X 26mm.

Batteries could do this but they must be isolated to float with the Hi-voltage that is generated.

When everything is connected correctly there is very little voltage difference in the main transformer windings.

I have two transformers but they are not center tapped on the O/P. The Hi voltage circuit will be connected to one O/P, the input onto the least turns of the dampening choke. The Hi volt circuit draws more current through the least turns of the choke and then into the main transformer, increasing AT.
Both these dampening chokes, the four windings have now been wound onto one core. This will be tried soon.

The battery charger that is being put together is just about finished. Some more coil winding may be required because it has to be balanced correctly.
A capacitor is being charged and then discharged through an SCR to at least equal AT so that the magnetic field will collapse with currents going in opposite directions.

All the best,

Allan


Title: Re: Alan's Transformer as a Generator
Post by: leonelogb on September 20, 2020, 03:55:06 AM
Thank you Alan.

While I wait for the materials and try to reuse the wires. Check the input schematic that I am going to try to do as you advise!

Hi,

I have a 120v ac voltage regulator, It go from 0-180 ac  so it would not be difficult to put and capacitor with diode bridge, I think it will work?
[End Quote]

From experience 50-60 Hz needs to be really well filtered when rectified because it seems to interfere with the 50-60Hz being generated. Apart from that ordinary power rectified with a full pulse is too much it needs half a pulse.
Two square wave pulses fit into one rectified sine wave form, pulse. The modulated magnetic flux changes polarity in a half of one wave semi-cycle and then one half of the other.

A circuit could be made to follow the peak and the zero crossover to make four square wave pulses.

Keep your diagram of the wave forms handy it shows the relationship.

The circuits need to be modulated to get maximum current with little voltage. Voltage is necessary to remove the flux and to get maximum
current. Then as the high currents slow down to a stop the magnetic field is created with voltage. A fluctuation in a DC circuit is enough to get a full polarity changing magnet effect.

Then voltage is required to transition to the next DC cycle in a half wave. Voltage assists in getting more AT. 

Think of it as two DC semi cycles that fully change the polarity of the flux in one half wave each.

It could operate on one semi cycle only just DC.


Question:
Do I have to make the small transformer for the input winding wound on a core for 12 volts 74 turns? I mean; input 70+74 turns an output the same 70+74 with the center tapped?
[End Quote]
I am not sure what you mean exactly.

When transformers are wound 5.25 turns per volt are used but it does depend on core area and frequency.
76mm h X 64mm l X 26mm w. The former looks square 26mm X 26mm.

Batteries could do this but they must be isolated to float with the Hi-voltage that is generated.

When everything is connected correctly there is very little voltage difference in the main transformer windings.

I have two transformers but they are not center tapped on the O/P. The Hi voltage circuit will be connected to one O/P, the input onto the least turns of the dampening choke. The Hi volt circuit draws more current through the least turns of the choke and then into the main transformer, increasing AT.
Both these dampening chokes, the four windings have now been wound onto one core. This will be tried soon.

The battery charger that is being put together is just about finished. Some more coil winding may be required because it has to be balanced correctly.
A capacitor is being charged and then discharged through an SCR to at least equal AT so that the magnetic field will collapse with currents going in opposite directions.

All the best,

Allan
Title: Re: Alan's Transformer as a Generator
Post by: AllanV on September 20, 2020, 06:27:49 AM
Thank you Allan.

While I wait for the materials and try to reuse the wires. Check the input schematic that I am going to try to do as you advise!

Hi leonelogb,

That should work. Keep it easy to begin with and control the input supply voltage between 6v and 12v to control the output.

Allan
Title: Re: Alan's Transformer as a Generator
Post by: Cadman on September 28, 2020, 10:51:56 PM
Allan, leonelogb,

Any progress or news?

Regards
Title: Re: Alan's Transformer as a Generator
Post by: AllanV on September 28, 2020, 11:09:31 PM
Allan, leonelogb,

Any progress or news?

Regards

Hi Cadman,

Thanks for your interest.

Winding coils etc at the moment.

There is a bit further to go because of it being a part time project.

And I needed a break from all the writing but will be posting very soon.

All the best,

Allan



 
Title: Re: Alan's Transformer as a Generator
Post by: Cadman on September 29, 2020, 03:40:35 PM
Hi Allan,

Thanks for your reply.

I’ve been following this from the beginning, studying and trying to understand what you are doing, and how the magnetic fields might be reacting.

Looking at your early posts I noticed that your hand drawn impulses show different time lengths.
One large impulse, followed by a short over-lapping impulse, followed by a pause, followed by one large impulse, followed by a short over-lapping impulse, followed by a pause… etc.

Is this the correct sequence with +vdc?

No hurry for a reply. Enjoy your break :)

Regards
Title: Re: Alan's Transformer as a Generator
Post by: AllanV on September 29, 2020, 11:46:31 PM
Hi Allan,

Thanks for your reply.

I’ve been following this from the beginning, studying and trying to understand what you are doing, and how the magnetic fields might be reacting.

Looking at your early posts I noticed that your hand drawn impulses show different time lengths.
One large impulse, followed by a short over-lapping impulse, followed by a pause, followed by one large impulse, followed by a short over-lapping impulse, followed by a pause… etc.

Is this the correct sequence with +vdc?

No hurry for a reply. Enjoy your break :)

Regards

Hi Cadman,

The extra long square wave pulses need not apply if a high volt winding is on the same transformer that produces the low volt circuit. The the hi volt current will only flow while the low volt circuit sets up the transformer flux to accept more.

There is a low volt circuit that circles a current through the connection of the two main windings of uneven turns. This produces some bias and AT that produces a flux. This sets up the transformer action where even more current can be driven through one winding only.
A smaller inductor with two windings and a turn ratio is necessary to force an increase of current through the one winding. This only occurs if a separate high voltage circuit is set up to drive the extra current in that winding.

Modulating the magnetic field causes the maximum current to flow, while current flow brought to a stop produces the maximum voltage in a transition to the next half wave.

AC can be thought of as two half waves of DC that requires voltage to make the crossover to the other half wave.
Each quarter of the wave has a change of flux polarity in the core as the AT change except where the crossover takes place but then the currents change direction while the voltage reaches maximum.

There are different ways of setting this up and it is a work in progress. The main point is to put the power input into the link between a transformer input and output which for 80watts is only 1/2500th DC equivalent which is about 0.032watt. It takes more power to make the transition to the next half wave. 

The difference in a transformer with a load, is a dampening of the flux that requires a 10% over wind on the output turns. 
Resonance in transformer circuits can be maintained with a small input to make up for the dampening brought about by a change in load.

All the best,

Allan 
Title: Re: Alan's Transformer as a Generator
Post by: Cadman on September 30, 2020, 02:47:04 PM
Allan,

Thank you for your reply.

I think I am beginning to understand a little better about how this all comes together.

Regards,
Cadman